Friday, April 18, 2014
PLACERVILLE, CALIFORNIA
99 CENTS

Worse than I thought

EDITOR:

While watching Channel 13 news the other night I was set aback with a story regarding our D-2 Supervisor Ray Nutting receiving some $70,000 of Prop. 40 money from Cal Fire to clear brush off his own land.

Ray was recorded burning a brush pile and was unrepentant on taking the money. The announcers acted annoyed by a politician taking money. But so what?

What I was blown away with was the Cal Fire spokesman Daniel Berlant, who was happy to be recorded saying that the money was justified and it is a very small price to pay for fire prevention.

The story reported that 297 people around the state received funding benefiting from the $2.5 billion dollar Prop. 40 bond measure. That comes to $841,000 per person? To clear brush? Off their own property? That California taxpayers are funding? And Cal Fire views this as a successful program? Throw in the fact that the $2.5 billion will actually cost the California taxpayer $5 billion?

Reminding me that Cal Fire is the same state organization that is charging me an additional tax of $150 per dwelling per year on my property, I’m blown away.

For when a conservative politician in a conservative county gets his hand caught in the cookie jar and no one is even embarrassed — hell, that in all, actually seem proud — then our form of government is in far worse shape then I thought.

KEN STEERS
Cameron Park

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  • Foaming at the MouthApril 25, 2013 - 12:06 pm

    Since Ken's too smart to think that 900 people split $2.5 billion, I guess he's lying to get the truly stupid people "fired" up.

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  • Ken SteersApril 25, 2013 - 1:28 pm

    Read the story Ray. It says 297.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netApril 25, 2013 - 1:35 pm

    ken--you think "foaming at the mouth" is "ray" ? awwwwwwwww and this persona was mean to me :( Ive never been mean to ray. Could it just be one of his friends--that I dont know.

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  • Ken SteersApril 25, 2013 - 1:36 pm

    Ray, you admitted in the MD to have been paid $47,000.00 to clear brush off of 35 of your acres. That's $1342.00 an acre. More than what the land is worth. And to put into context that Cal Fire would pay me $1,530,857.00 to clear brush off my ranch that I paid $800,000.00 for? Nice if you can get it. Is that how you feel about the public? Truly stupid.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netApril 25, 2013 - 1:44 pm

    For something that doesnt exist...Agenda 21 Vote: Missouri House Bans U.N. Sustainability Program Posted: 04/08/2013 9:21 pm EDT | Updated: 04/09/2013 10:14 am EDT http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/08/agenda-21-vote-missouri_n_3040436.html.

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  • EvelynApril 25, 2013 - 2:29 pm

    Ken: Foaming is not Ray.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netApril 25, 2013 - 2:40 pm

    Im glad "foaming" is not Ray

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  • EvelynApril 25, 2013 - 2:54 pm

    Fran: "Foaming" was birthed on these pages last year, August 23rd. He's an adorable little fellow with an identifiable style. A select group of friends will gather together this August 23rd to celebrate his first birthday. Join us, please, for the festivities.

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  • Ken SteersApril 25, 2013 - 2:56 pm

    Evelyn, someone you're related to? Listen to 1530 at 3:30 today. McGuinnes says it's interesting

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  • Phil VeerkampApril 25, 2013 - 3:15 pm

    LINK - 1530 = KFBK = listen here

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  • EvelynApril 25, 2013 - 3:20 pm

    Ken: Come to the party on August 23rd when Foaming will unmask himself to the world. We're all dying to meet him -- any place other than a dark alley.

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  • Phil VeerkampApril 25, 2013 - 3:40 pm

    Harn now on KFBK

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  • Phil VeerkampApril 25, 2013 - 3:41 pm

    TAlking about ray - on KFBK now . .

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  • EvelynApril 25, 2013 - 3:49 pm

    After program's end Harn will move on to asking the DA to investigate the dissolution of the 2012 El Dorado Grand Jury.

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  • Ken SteersApril 25, 2013 - 4:45 pm

    Evelyn, That's a strange one huh? I had lunch with Steve Bailey a while back and he suggested I become foreman. Changed his tune after I wouldn't back Stracener. Also look at the Dillenger relationship, Bailey and the GJ. A changed report and another Judge PO'd because of bad info. I'm not sure how all that'll play out. And I'm not sure that it is the DA's area. I think the Judges are self policing. But what do I know.

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  • Foaming at the MouthApril 25, 2013 - 10:35 pm

    One thing Ken doesn't know is who I am. Everyone, meet me at the top of Puramid Peak on August 23 and all will be revealed. And I do mean *all*!

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  • 1036-FrankApril 26, 2013 - 9:38 am

    Seems to me that the number of fools being fooled is declining and that they were fooled once too often this time. This is always a dangerous development for a politician because once the fool starts wearing off the fools, it is past time to look for a new line of work.

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  • Ken SteersApril 26, 2013 - 9:49 am

    1036, I'm going to have to go the other way. I think that the entire system is so widely corrupt that no one involved in the system holds anyone accountable. Ray, in my humble opinion, is more a victim than a criminal. The system sought him out. Told him it was OK and condones freely the act. How do we fight the system?

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  • taxpayerApril 26, 2013 - 10:11 am

    as fish fries go there are much bigger fish in this county to throw on the grill than Ray. Going after him is a useful diversion. And yesterdays Harn inverview by buddy McGuinnes was a joke. Even Harn couldn't say Ray had done anything illegal. Oh, by the way, maybe for his next interview McGinness could talk to Joe about sexual harassment complaints. Just a thought.

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  • Save Our CountyApril 26, 2013 - 10:19 am

    KFBK April 25. EDC Auditor-Controller Joe Harn talks with John McGinness about Supervisor Nuttings Fuels Reduction grants. Streaming podcast - Harn segment starts around 16:45 (slide player timer over after you start playback). KFBK here: http://www.kfbk.com/player/?station=KFBK-AM&program_name=podcast&program_id=johnmcginness.xml&mid=23142354

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  • 1036-FrankApril 26, 2013 - 10:29 am

    There is Govt. welfare, there is corporate welfare, there is taxpayer welfare, there is welfare for everything these days, meaning you can get what you didn't earn and shouldn't have unless you know how to work the system. I guess SPI timberlands could deplete the entire prop 40 funds if they qualified for it by harvesting their timber as they do every year and burn their slash piles like they do every winter and spring but it would be corporate welfare and dishonest and another rip-off of the tax payers. There is no victim here except the state's tax payers paying to do what a property owner should do on their own. These prop. 40 funds are about gone now at the cost of 5 billion to taxpayers for work on private property that should be the owners bill to pay. I hope the DA takes this case to the right state AG and follows through with it and finds out if the public was defrauded in any way. The fools have been fooled enough.

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  • 1036-FrankApril 26, 2013 - 11:54 am

    Further, every rancher and many of our property owners figured out a long time ago that the best unpaid employee is the one who works the hardest and costs the least, doesn't ask for breaks or welfare and doesn't need to be paid with public tax funds because they have four hooves on the ground and fertilize the ground as they work with a good work ethic, and knows how to keep the weeds down and brush cleared without a govt. welfare payment program.

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  • Ken SteersApril 26, 2013 - 12:49 pm

    taxpayer, you might want to read the transcript of the Harn interview. He was unequivocal that what Ray did was illegal. Also this came out today. April 25, 2013 Statement by Chairman of the County of El Dorado Board of Supervisors regarding allegations of conversion of public money to personal use by District II Supervisor Ray Nutting “AS CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR THE COUNTY OF EL DORADO I FEEL COMPELLED TO REACT TO RECENT STATEMENTS MADE BY DISTRICT II SUPERVISOR RAY NUTTING DURING AN APRIL 18, 2013 INTERVIEW AIRING ON KOVR CHANNEL 13 . ON CAMERA DISTRICT II SUPERVISOR NUTTING ADMITTED TO TAKING OVER $70,000 OF PUBLIC MONIES TO CUT AND CLEAR WOOD FROM HIS PERSONAL LANDS. FURTHERMORE MR NUTTING SAID HE SAW NO WRONG WITH HIS ACTIONS AND PLANS TO CONTINUE TO SEEK AND USE FUTURE PUBLIC MONEY FOR HIS PERSONAL USE. UNTIL KOVR’S NEWS SEGMENT, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WAS UNAWARE OF THIS ACTIVITY AND UNAWARE OF AN OPEN CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION BY DISTRICT ATTORNEY. ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IT IS IMPERATIVE FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW WE DO NOT CONDONE ANY CONVERSION OF PUBLIC MONEY TO PERSONAL USE, PERIOD. I WILL BE ASKING FOR A SPECIAL BOARD INVESTIGATION INTO MR. NUTTINGS ACTIVITIES. FINALLY, THE PUBLIC IS TO BE ASSURED THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND OUR COUNTY STAFF WILL WORK COOPERATIVELY WITH DISTRICT ATTORNEY. SHOULD EVENTS UNFOLD CALLING FOR OUR BOARD TO TAKE UNUSUAL OR APPROPRIATE STEPS TO PRESERVE THE INTEGRITY OF OUR BOARD, COUNTY EMPLOYEES AND CITIZENS OF THE COUNTY OF EL DORADO, WE SHALL DO SO IN A SWIFT AND IMMEDIATE FASHION.” Ron Briggs, Chairman County of El Dorado Board of Supervisors 530-919-5717 So to some up. The fish are frying.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netApril 26, 2013 - 1:10 pm

    Ken...when the BOS started giving out funds to these Economic groups that are not Elected...they were giving public money away. These groups...are not representing a whole community--therefore they received "free" money to do as they like. "... ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IT IS IMPERATIVE FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW WE DO NOT CONDONE ANY CONVERSION OF PUBLIC MONEY TO PERSONAL USE, PERIOD." It should apply to all. Government--economic advisory boards...nonprofits. Money should be accountable always. So they need to look at every one on the BOS for accountability of public funds.

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  • Dink LaneApril 26, 2013 - 1:54 pm

    QUESTION FOR THE READERS: Why is it--Channel 13 had done TWO stories, KFBK has Joe Harn drive all the way to Sacramento ...... And YET..... Our little Mt Democrat is DEAD SILENT????...... Could it have something to do with the Monday Morning "Taxpayer's" Breakfast at Denny's????

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  • Ken SteersApril 26, 2013 - 5:15 pm

    Frances, It is clear that the BOS didn't even know this JPA in Auburn existed. Cal Fire is the one who doles out the money. The ONLY REASON this is being talked about is because it is a conservative county. Democrat Socialist like Pelosi view corruption as stimulative. Does anyone believe that those in Sacramento, Marin or other socialist strong holds aren't doing the same thing's with our tax dollars? They are.

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  • Ken SteersApril 26, 2013 - 5:18 pm

    But it is obvious, that all the Supervisors need to clean their own back yards before they look at Ray's. And make damn sure they didn't take tax payer's money to do it.

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  • ReallyApril 26, 2013 - 5:47 pm

    How is this any different than Briggs getting the government to put in the Ray Lawyer Drive Interchange and Courthouse for their personal financial benefit? OR Sweeney aligning the stars so that he got the Missouri Flat Interchange / Diamond Springs Parkway for his partner Grado? These two Supervisors have milked 100's of millions out of local taxpayers.

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  • Ken SteersApril 26, 2013 - 7:54 pm

    For when a conservative politician in a conservative county gets his hand caught in the cookie jar and no one is even embarrassed — hell, that in all, actually seem proud — then our form of government is in far worse shape then I thought. REALLY?

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  • Walking TallApril 27, 2013 - 8:13 am

    Seems to me that all of this was reported before and all the Ray supporters came out, but now that the truth was heard from Ray's lips and his total arrogance came through we ALL need to give Ray an "Orange Set of Jail Clothes". Ray not only took the money but he ran out of state and bought a home with it and it's a lot more than $70,000.00. Try by multipling it by five and you will get the better picture as Ray himself said "he and His Brother own 800 acres" which he got the grant money for and lets not forget those all important campaign contributions over the twelve years that he has been ripping off this County. The Quid pro quo's that Ray is also famious for net untold greenbacks into his personal wealth at the tax payers expence. This is in addition to the current out of control non permited on a non burn day control fire that Ray did and the other ten or twelve times that the fire departments and Calfire put out fires on "DA RANCH". So as we will see this is just the "Tip of the Iceburg" or should we say "Where there's smoke there's fire" at DA RANCH. Lets not forget all the underaged drinking and partys with illegal fireworks (which our Sheriff attended and took no action except to drink and have fun)at DA RANCH). As it will all unfold and those who were hurt and required stitches and a wired jaw come forward the true picture of Ray will be shown. True the quid pro quo's exist right here in River City by a lot of our elected officals it doesn't make it right, maybe now, The People (DA's Office) will finally take action and maybe even the AG's office and who knows the Federal Government might even take this case and we may get results. Ray has always felt that he is above the law and at those Tax Payer's Meetings @ Denny's he shows it off, well now it's out there and Ray can't slip away from it and no matter how he spins this one the money has brought him down. As reported before it's Money, Power and Greed that has been his undoing and along with his bullying tactics he will be held to answer, the DA will go after him and he will finally be removed from our County Government. Replace him now with an honest man (George Turnboo) and let our county heal from Ray once and for all, film at eleven. Kudos to Joe Harn for going on KFBK and exposing Ray and to BOS chairman; Ron Brigs for taking a stand and calling for an investigation and maybe the drunk driving will also come out. One thing for sure all will come out and then Ray will be out as we can't afford him and won't condone his style of politics any longer. Lets not forget Measure F and his partners in crime; Dan, Chris and Rod and the $30,000.00+ they got and the illegal fire tax which Ray spearheaded while on the "Fire Safe Council". What else has Ray voted for over the twelve years he has been in office and how much money has he amassed, when will it ever end, I think when he is arrested and held to answer for all his corruption, time will tell but not soon enough for all the honest citzens here,,,,

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  • Ken SteersApril 27, 2013 - 9:17 am

    News 10 http://www.news10.net/news/local/article/242886/2/County-supervisor-defends-use-of-public-money-on-his-private-land If you read the comments. Someone posted exactly what is wrong in our system. He believes everyone should do it and it's stimulative. In my opinion the real big fish is Cal Fire. But this type of GOB corruption must stop in our county.

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  • JimApril 27, 2013 - 3:53 pm

    Ken, while I agree that Ray's actions are inappropriate I wonder why you suggest that Cal Fire is the "Big Fish"? The agency is administering a program under legislation approved by the taxpayers in 2002 with a 56.8% approval of the total voters. Had taxpayers voted against this program in 2002 then it wouldn't be an issue. Don't put it back on Cal Fire. Perhaps you can get your local legislators to repeal or amend Proposition 40 California Clean Water, Clean Air, Safe Neighborhood Parks and Coastal Protection Act of 2002. Just sayin!

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  • Ken SteersApril 28, 2013 - 7:43 am

    Exactly my point Jim thank you. For why blame the government. Blame the voters.

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  • Ken SteersApril 28, 2013 - 8:16 am

    Cal Fire claims again that there is nothing wrong in their program. http://www.sacbee.com/2013/04/28/5377373/el-dorado-county-leaders-question.html There in lies the problem.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netApril 29, 2013 - 10:50 am

    http://www.edctc.org/L/PM_Feb2013_C.pdf Page 16 talks about the CMAQ PROJECT MAIN STREET/CEDAR RAVINE/CLAY STREET ROUNDABOUT: "At the conclusion of the hearing held on September 2, 2011, the Superior Court of the State of California, El Dorado County, concluded that the City of Placerville’s approval of the Clay Street/Cedar Ravine Realignment and Clay Street Bridge Replacement at Hangtown Creek “failed to comply with the provisions of the California Environmental Quality Act in so far as the City of Placerville had abused its discretion and failed to proceed in a manner required by law when it approved the project and adopted a mitigated negative declaration which did not consider fair arguments that the court found could be made regarding certain potential impacts of the proposed project.” In February 2013, City staff will commence meetings with City Council members and stakeholders adjacent to the project to determine the next steps including the potential for development of a court-ordered EIR for the project. Upcoming Activities  Stakeholder and Council meetings, development of an Environmental Impact Report for the project" Good luck at the meeting

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  • robertdnollApril 29, 2013 - 4:35 pm

    dang'Im starting to change my opinion about Ray

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  • EvelynMay 07, 2013 - 8:52 pm

    BACKGROUND RESEARCH ON NUTTING RANCH COST-SHARING GRANTS - HERE

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  • EvelynMay 07, 2013 - 8:54 pm

    EXHIBITS 1-24: Documents referred to in the background research on the Nutting Ranch Cost-Sharing program - HERE

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  • EvelynMay 07, 2013 - 8:56 pm

    (Ray Nutting's) FAIR POLITICAL PRACTICES COMMISSION REQUEST FOR ADVICE - HERE

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  • Gerald LillpopMay 08, 2013 - 8:04 am

    Who is eligible for Prop 40 money? Does Ray Nutting and his brother meet the eligibility requirements? If so what they is doing is just good free market business they are utilizing every program to their advantage just like the oil companies, pharmaceutical manufactures etc. Right?

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  • cookie65May 08, 2013 - 8:32 am

    I get stuck on another issue with all of this. I find it hard to fathom that politicians thought it was a good idea for someone living in a one room apartment, working part-time at walmart riding public transit to pay for people with hundreds of acres to clear their own property. If you get down to brass tax that is who this whole taxpayer funded program is designed to benefit. I am also curious if any of the recipients of these funds turned around and sold the trees they cleared.

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  • cookie65May 08, 2013 - 9:06 am

    How about an ad in the pennysaver? Will trade parcel of land in exchange for brush clearing.

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  • Walking TallMay 08, 2013 - 9:33 am

    Equally hard to swallow that our County Supervisor finds no fault in taking tax payers money to benefit himself and then established several Fire Safe Councils with a car to be driven and money spent to purchase items that directly benefit him. Time for an audit and tell where all the money has gone and at what benefit to our county and not him

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  • onlookerMay 08, 2013 - 9:49 am

    Angelos czarkopoulus solemnly swears he ain't got nuttin to do with any of this so help him AKT and thank you to all well rewarded henchmen

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  • Ken SteersMay 08, 2013 - 1:18 pm

    On Ray's site he list 104 pages of evidence for his defense? 28 pages are blank, 9 pages of unsigned agreements and 60 pages of various rules and stipulations of government programs. Very strange.

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  • James E.May 08, 2013 - 1:30 pm

    Overwhelm them with paperwork. Although not sure how 28 blank pages will help unless they contain secret writings written in lemon juice?

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  • James E.May 08, 2013 - 2:44 pm

    Frances, I always enjoyed high tea in England. Hot strong tea, scones, jams, strawberries with clotted cream, cucumber sandwiches, etc. Around 4 PM to get one through to dinner at 8 PM. Why do rich people eat at 8 PM while the workers of the world eat at 5 or 6 PM? The mysteries of life.

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  • James E.May 08, 2013 - 3:15 pm

    ADDED: OK, how do I know rich people eat dinner at 8 PM? Well, only from a sample of one -- I interacted with a very rich family in Virginia and they always dined at 8 PM. Maybe I should have known more rich families.

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  • Ken SteersMay 08, 2013 - 3:28 pm

    James, I would agree except it was 28 blank pages! The custom around Virginia is to Supper at 8. Dinner around noon. Not a class thing, more from farming and largest meal at noon. Mediterranean Europe meals are after 10 pm. Alas we rich fat people who are on a forced diet and watched by their wives, have no access to food after 5... And High Tea at the Ritz in London is something everyone should have on their bucket list.

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  • cookie65May 08, 2013 - 3:36 pm

    Ken, that sounds like the documents hildabeast's state dept sent to congress on Benghazi. Like she said, "what difference, at this point, does it make?" They sure were hoping throwing some guy in jail for a video would have made people stop asking questions.

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  • BettyMay 08, 2013 - 6:09 pm

    We know what kind of political games you are up to Ken Steers. Your dogs' Vern starts the leak by giving it to Joe, who then calls his friend Laura Cole. I see that the response is on RayNutting.com and if you want people to think you are stupid because you have never seen cover pages on exhibits then I guess it because you don’t want them to know what a hypocrite you are. The six-page response from one of the top law firms in the state show the fact that there is no conflict. The real conflict is your hypocrisy when you complain that Ray used a liberal program to cut back on fire risk when you used liberal policy to line your pockets. In Ray’s case, it was a cost-sharing program where Cal Fire only used 1% of the money you claimed was used in the program. However, in your case you became filthy rich by taking advantage of your company being headed by your minority wife. Talk about the kettle calling the pot black. Ken, you are nothing more than a blow-hard hypocrite.

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  • James E.May 08, 2013 - 6:39 pm

    Ken can defend himself, but may I say that his company being headed by a minority wife is accurate, and therefore meaningless unless you imply she is really Norwegian and defrauding the government. More importantly, if their company is making money then it is a tribute to their running an efficient company that is providing a service that their customers want. And, don't knock Ken for being filthy rich -- he's the only filthy rich guy I know in these parts. At one time he was going to finance my run for president but we had a falling out -- it happens in politics.

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  • tips r usMay 08, 2013 - 7:06 pm

    Get a leg up; find a minority to own your business; it's the american way and as easy as 1.2.3. Are you ready to start your business, but don't know where to start or what opportunities are out there for minority groups? The following resources provide information on federal government programs and services that help members of minority groups start their own businesses, as well as resources to help finance your new business and where to go to get training and assistance. Federal Programs and Resources HubZone Program Provides information on a program sponsored by the SBA that helps businesses in historically underutilized areas gain access to federal procurement opportunities. Minority Business Development Agency Details how to finance a business as well as business opportunities from a federal agency created specifically to foster the establishment and growth of minority-owned businesses in America. Minority Enterprise Development (MED) Week Conference Explores the issues affecting the growth and development of minority business enterprises, discussed at this federally-sponsored, national conference. 8(a) Business Development Program Covers programs and services that help small, disadvantaged businesses compete in the American economy and federal procurement market. SBA Office of Native American Affairs Outlines programs and resources that are available to American Indians, Native Alaskans and Native Hawaiians seeking to create, develop and expand small businesses.

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  • James E.May 08, 2013 - 7:15 pm

    Tips, so?? After you first snarky sentence I lost interest given your agenda.

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  • Ken SteersMay 08, 2013 - 7:39 pm

    Betty and Tips, look what you have done! Now you have the Colonel defending me! Please for goodness sake don't! BTW my company is not a small business. But we do hire and are responsible for certifying and educating small minority owned companies. It's one of my life's passions to bring as many people to capitalism and live their version of the American dream as possible. You both are sounding a little racist. Never mind I see where James called me filthy. The world seems better some how. BTW on Ray's own site he list the statute for public contract code Div. 2 chapter 2 article 8 section 10410. Might want to read that one real close. Then go to 1090. What people might want to do is watch the news and read the papers on this matter. Where Ray is making a serious mistake is he is treating this like a political situation. He is going on TV and speaking as a citizen and putting stuff out on public record. This is not political it's criminal. My advice, from life experience, to Ray is. First get a different lawyer that is currently advising him. And second look at the big picture and make sure his council doesn't wind up owning his families ranch. I've always believed that I was even more cautious of my council's cost then the other guys.

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  • 57 ChevyMay 08, 2013 - 8:01 pm

    Sounds like Dink is onto something. My bet is the real political entertainment starts every Monday morning at 7:30 at Denny's on Fairlane.

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  • BettyMay 08, 2013 - 8:22 pm

    It is good to hear you admit that you like liberal minority owned business set-asides but it is hard to reconcile that with your supposed conservative stance. The truth is that it is just political and you are a main player in the game. I have read the code carefully and so did two different law firms. It is clear that there is no legal case. Sure, the DA could get an egg indicted but he can’t win the case. Nevertheless, I don’t suppose you care about that if you can slander and defame him, then you win…or should I say your candidate for Beth Gaines Assembly seat wins – because this is what this is really about. Take Ray down politically so you can get another politician elected that is beholden to you. It was never about justice, just a political play on your part. Since most of your political plays have failed lately, I guess you will not be surprised to see this one fail.

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  • Ken SteersMay 08, 2013 - 8:54 pm

    Betty, Could you list a liberal minority set aside? Is their a conservative minority set aside? BTW most small business owners with the entrepreneurial spirit tend to be fiscal conservatives. But to you is that like being paid tax payer dollars to clear brush on your own property? Can you name one other person in our county not named Nutting receiving that money? What I find interesting Betty, is your attempt at moral equivalency. You insinuate that because I married a woman who immigrated here and founded her company that I'm as bad as a crooked politician? Betty remember when I got Ray elected? Open book, list all the favors I asked from my Supervisor. Betty since you are not using your real name list all the favors I've garnered from all the campaigns I've supported. FYI Betty that list would be a far better example of moral equivalency than being branded a minority, Don't you think?

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  • James E.May 08, 2013 - 8:57 pm

    Ken, I really don't consider you "filthy" rich. Let's just say well to do. And, I used the term filthy only in the nicest way. Hmmm, wonder what that means really? What does filthy have to do with being rich? I always seen rich people as being well dressed, good haircuts, and clean. And, I don't mind defending you from comments made from those with shady agendas. Let's be fair ladies. Criticize without snark.

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  • Ken SteersMay 08, 2013 - 9:14 pm

    My wife says we are one pay check away from the bread line. I have to believe her because I don't pay the bills. Wouldn't filthy rich mean wealthy? You know like those hedge row people you are always talking about?

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  • James E.May 08, 2013 - 9:20 pm

    Can anyone parse filthy rich. It's a common use of words, but what does filthy rich mean as regards the use of filthy in regards to one's assets? Anyone with a PhD in English?

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  • James E.May 08, 2013 - 9:27 pm

    The word filthy regarding the hedge managers who make one to four trillion dollars a year probably refers to their business practices. Sigh, if I could make just one trillion in a year I could coast the rest of the way. Didn't happen this year, maybe next year.

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  • BettyMay 08, 2013 - 9:52 pm

    Kenneth I do not have anything against minority women, in fact, I wish you were even half the man as your wife (Figuratively speaking) instead of a arrogant blowhard that thinks he can buy El Dorado County. BTW, filthy rich is someone that writes a letter to the editor complaining about paying the SRA fee on his million-dollar Pebble Beach estate.

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  • Ken SteersMay 08, 2013 - 10:03 pm

    Betty, first you are a racist and what is wrong with the Republican Party today. Second you lack cognitive reasoning because I don't pay the fire fee in Pebble beach. But home owners here do. James, if you were to make a trillion you'd just want two.

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  • BettyMay 08, 2013 - 10:14 pm

    I’m a racist, that’s a lark. Almost as funny as you saying “remember when I got Ray elected?” Sadly I think it just shows how delusional you really are.

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  • BettyMay 08, 2013 - 10:26 pm

    I stand corrected Kenneth, you wrote: "It is nice to know that for the low price of just $150 a year you all can sleep better at night, just knowing that people like Charles Schwab, Clint Eastwood, Richie Rich and myself can be better informed regarding fire safety. All snugly in our multimillion-dollar mansions." When I said your million dollar home I should have said your "multimillion-dollar mansion" ... Filthy rich defined!

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMay 08, 2013 - 10:54 pm

    Meaning Very rich, possibly having become so by unfair means. Origin This little phrase can't be explained without looking at the word lucre. From the 14th century lucre has meant money and is referred to as such by no less writers than Chaucer and John Wyclif. These references generally included a negative connotation and gave rise to the terms "foul lucre" and "filthy lucre", which have been in use since the 16th century. "Filthy lucre" appears first in print in 1526 in the works of William Tindale: "Teachinge thinges which they ought not, because of filthy lucre." Tindale was here using the term to mean dishonourable gain. Following on the the term "filthy lucre", money became known by the slang term "the filthy", and it isn't a great leap from there to the rich being called the "filthy rich". This was first used as a noun phrase meaning "rich people; who have become so by dishonourable means". It was used that way in America, where it was coined, from the 1920s onwards. Here's an item from the Ohio newspaper The Lima News, February 1929, which deplores the get-rich-quick attitudes of some who were exploiting those who had to sell their homes at unreasonably low prices in order to eat during the economic crash: "There is a depressed market. If any of our stock-gambling filthy rich want a winter home, now is the time to acquire it." As time went on the negative associations have softened somewhat. It has become to mean "extremely rich" rather than "dishonourably rich", although there may still be a trace of an unfavourable implication associated with it.http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/filthy-rich.html.

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  • James E.May 08, 2013 - 11:40 pm

    Come on, I think Ken was pulling our leg -- he doesn't have a multimillion dollar mansion in Pebble Beach but only used it as an example of the fire tax inequity. Have you seen the little houses along 17 mile drive? However, very possible Ken has a very nice bungalow in Pacific Grove out by the ocean. Ken, I never thought I'd admit this in a public forum, but I also like the occasional potted meat sandwich. I have never had the nerve to read the list of ingredients, and I never will. They must be gross.

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  • BettyMay 09, 2013 - 6:04 am

    Frances you hit a line drive– I did mean money with a bit of dirtiness attached. But it is James that gets a homerun. You cannot count on Ken Steers to tell the truth. He says whatever he wants to make political points. He never lets the truth stand in the way. That is why when he is the subject it is not money that comes to my mind. It is, “dishonest political blowhard.”

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  • Ken SteersMay 09, 2013 - 6:20 am

    James, read and despair. Beef tripe, beef hearts, chicken, partially defatted cooked pork fatty tissue, water, salt, mustard, vinegar, dried garlic, sodium erythorbate, natural flavoring, sodium nitrite. Also James, Old 17 Mile Pebble Beach. Also why would Betty say I was complaining about paying the ridiculous SRA fee on my multi-million dollar mansion? I was complaining that I and my neighbors there don't. But my neighbors here in ElDorado County do. As well as I. Where is the SRA money going? Well to help clear brush off of Supervisor Nutting's property for one. Like I've said this is a Conservative County. Ray touts himself as being a Conservative. Betty an apologist for Ray see's nothing wrong in what Ray has done. Pretty much the crux of my letter's meaning.

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  • cookie65May 09, 2013 - 6:31 am

    There are countless examples of "filthy rich" in the world. Hugo Chavez left his family with @$2billion that he stole from the people. The clintons have parleyed their ability to lie, cheat and steal into millions. The truly big fish in the pond is obama's buddy george soros. He has crushed entire economies for his financial gain. Lesser versions are individuals who multiply and gain wealth by fishing for politicians who can be influenced with financial contributions. People with the financial means to influence multiple elected officials are just as responsible for the endless corruption in government as the unions. Regardless of whether they are on the left or the right.

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  • Ken SteersMay 09, 2013 - 7:20 am

    Cookie, If you want to know why I'm involved in politics look at the Pioneer Fired District fiasco. Alarcon and Dillenger indicted for manipulating the system. Many phony web sites many people paying these clowns to work on their campaigns. Or like I told one candidate who asked why I'm involved politically. I explained that it was probably my Red Neck roots and NASCAR. I don't want to drive, hell I don't even care who wins. I like the crashes...

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  • cookie65May 09, 2013 - 8:16 am

    Ken, the fiasco is that there is a "pioneer fire district". It existed for years as the "pioneer volunteer fire department". Like everything else it has become a political organization and tool used against the taxpayers.

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  • James E.May 09, 2013 - 8:28 am

    Ken, after reading the ingredients and seeing tripe and hearts (my two non favorites), I rushed in panic to my pantry to confirm. Turns out I was in error -- the product I eat is Underwood deviled ham. Ingredients ham, brown sugar, mustard, and spices. I was stationed, over the years, at Fort Ord and love the Carmel/Monterey area. In July/August the temp will be 65-70 and if you go over the mountain to Salinas it will be 105/110. Wonderful air conditioning in the summer. When I was a second lieutenant we lived in a wonderful little house in Carmel. When I make that first Trillion I'm going to buy that house.

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  • James E.May 09, 2013 - 8:32 am

    Suddenly this site is awash with talk of testicles. Delete testicles, add fortitude.

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  • John burkeMay 09, 2013 - 9:02 am

    How were the 297 chosen? Why was that area more vital than others? Nutting should return that money with an apology note to the taxpayers!

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  • ReallyMay 09, 2013 - 12:01 pm

    Who are you kidding. Ray has spent every last penny on getting himself elected and his boy John D. Spent a good portion on Barbs and Valentine. Ray wants control!!!!! He is the master of overstating his profits from fundraisers that's were he can funnel the funds from his grants without detection.

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  • James E.May 09, 2013 - 3:30 pm

    Ken, while at the grocery store this afternoon, I picked up a can of potted meat to look at the contents. This was Armour brand and the ingredients were pulled chicken and ucky pork. But, no heart and tripe. Guess various brands go with different ingredients. I was tempted to buy it, but slapped myself hard twice and decided to put it back on the shelf.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMay 09, 2013 - 4:35 pm

    Grants are not the issue--he qualifies for the grants--there are specific items that have to be followed--that can be a problem. Just like the roundabout--grants are involved--if all items are not completed or used for something else--ouch--now there is trouble. Where is any information on the Grand Jury? I still feel there are many issues that are being put to the side--while we are stuck on Ray...such as the New Economy Plan--the BOS signed it--said they were going to look at it...and ?

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMay 09, 2013 - 4:36 pm

    I have been watching the BOS vids--have they forgotten they are taped--some appear a bit snotty to the public.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMay 09, 2013 - 9:06 pm

    I went to my first Pollock Pines Design meeting tonight...I went for one question...my question How come on the web site it states tha the first groups term is expired--yet all of you are still on this board? when Pollock Pines was split up--Ms. Santiago sent them all letters asking if they still wanted to be on this board--they all replied "yes." I know most of them and one I know to be a sharp business person--who knows design and how the county works. Afew questions were outside of design elements--but I honestly think they were just curious. The meeting was about the new store coming into town I felt the people presenting their design did an excellent job trying to fit into the space. The space has an eclectic array of items and they did their best. there were comments about the red of the logo of the company coming in--but red actually fits--the bushes surrounding the store turn bright red in the fall, It was an interesting meeting. I was impressed that one of the members would comment that the issue was outside of their task. That was my concern--this group was good about remaining inside the scope of what was asked of them. I also told them I felt people should be rotated to ensure a community outlook. They did not have any design training...however I felt that a couple of members were very good in guiding them back to the actual designers. The recommendations now go back to where they came from--the BOS--and we will see what happens. I see no reason why the store should not come in. Im posting here--so that I can say something positive--Phil is teaching me to be nicer :) And because several--including myself--wanted to know where these people came from. They applied--a letter went out in 2008.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMay 09, 2013 - 9:16 pm

    Sorry for all the mistakes--correct them...it is okay--Im working on not being perfect. One of the members said they would have the BOS site corrected to reflect the actual expiration dates. I believed their information to be true. As far as being a "cookie cutter" shape--they were told to fit with in the space...they had to work with these brick blocked flower dividers. So they did as they were asked.

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