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From page A1 | September 27, 2013 | 75 Comments

With the plans for the new water treatment plant at Auburn Lake Trails still up in the air, the board of the Georgetown Divide Public Utility District voted not to award a contract to retrofit the plant at a special meeting Tuesday night.

Two months ago GDPUD staff put the plant retrofit out to bid. However, the bids were only good for 60 days and were due to expire on Sept. 25. In the interim, consulting engineer Webb Owen was hired to recommend cost-saving ideas for the plant and Interim General Manager Gary Hoffmann was directed to review those recommendations with Operations Manager Kelly Shively as well as Psomas Engineering, the firm that designed the plant.

At Tuesday’s meeting, Hoffmann reported on those discussions. He said Psomas proposed changes that could save the district even more money than proposed by Owen, but they needed until the end of the week to detail what they would be. Psomas was also asked to provide an estimate of what the design changes would cost since they could negate any construction savings.

The topic of how to pay for the plant, regardless of its cost, was also reviewed.

Hoffmann reported that a loan for more than the original $5 million sought from the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) could be financed for up to 40 years at 3.5 percent interest, but a new application and a successful Prop. 218 process would have to be initiated.

A loan from the California Department of Public Health (CDPH) could be financed for 20 years but at an interest rate of only 1.78 percent. Hoffman added that if the district were to put up 20 to 25 percent of the funding for the new plant, the interest rate for a state loan could drop to zero.

In discussing the possibility of state financing, Hoffmann said in order to qualify for a loan three conditions had to be met by the district. The first was to receive an invitation from CDPH to submit an application. That condition had already been met. The second was the CDPH district engineer had to approve the final plans and specifications for the project before the bidding process was conducted and construction initiated. While the plans have been submitted to CDPH, he said, they have not, as yet, been approved. The third was the project needed an environmental clearance from the CDPH Environmental Review Unit and presently the project didn’t have such a clearance.

Hoffmann said that because the district went out to bid before receiving state approval, there was no assurance it could get state funding. As far as funding from the USDA, if the district wanted more than the $5 million initially applied for, it would require approval of a new application and a successful Prop. 218 process.

Hoffmann said the low bidder on the project — Auburn Constructors — had already indicated its willingness to extend the bid period for a short period of time. They also supported the idea of bridge financing whereby the district would go to a private lender and get temporary financing until long-term financing became available. Hoffmann reminded the board that bridge financing only works if the district is approved for a state or federal loan.

Based on the information presented, Hoffmann went on to recommend that the board decline to award the contract to the lowest bidder and allow all bids to expire.

On a 5-0 vote, the board agreed with the recommendation.

The board will take up the response from Psomas at its next regular board meeting on Oct. 8 at 9 a.m. at district headquarters.

Contact Dawn Hodson at 530-344-5071 or dhodson@mtdemocrat.net. Follow @DHodsonMtDemo on Twitter.

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  • Phil VeerkampSeptember 26, 2013 - 11:55 am

    In the meantime GDPUD continues to enjoy by a margin of nearly twenty to one the lowest residential water rate structures in the state of California. Using data from LINK - Paul Raveling's sierrafoot.org is instructive. Out of 404 agencies studied for 2013 nineteen(19) agencies' rates are lower than GDPUD's and three hundred and eighty four(384) rate structures are higher than GDPUD's. SUGGESTION: GDPUD could sponsor seminars for all of California's struggling water agencies. The seminars could generate income for GDPUD while helping the rest of California's water agencies learn how to lower their rates in line with GDPUDs.

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  • Jack PodsedlySeptember 27, 2013 - 7:22 am

    If you knew how GDPUD gets and distributes it's treated and raw water you would know why it has one of the lowest rates. If there were not incompetent boards and managers in the past it would be even lower. But Phil what is your point? What does this have to do with the treatment plant?

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  • Phil VeerkampSeptember 27, 2013 - 8:14 am

    Jack, I'm speculating that GDPUD is behind the curve for reasons that go beyond Board and Management chaos and turmoil. Based on the number of staff that EID has hired away from GDPUD over the years I'm guessing that GDPUD's compensation structure is not competitive. I'm projecting that, like EID, GDPUD has a lot of infrastructure at risk from old age . . . reliable staffing . . . reliable infrastructure . . . no money for ALT . . . just guessing . . . may be off base . . . we shall see.

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  • Jack PodsedlySeptember 27, 2013 - 9:35 am

    Again I ask you Phil as you go on to another subject, what does this have to do with the treatment plant? Stick to the subject at hand or start your own editorial!

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  • Phil VeerkampSeptember 27, 2013 - 11:39 am

    Jack, in this very article I read, "The topic of how to pay for the plant, regardless of its cost, was also reviewed." It seems that the question of financing opened the door to GDPUB's income stream, Jack. How much debt can GDPUD's income stream finance, Jack. Because GDPUD's expenses are only going to climb when the ACA hits, infrastructure breaks down, staff flees, and ALT has drained GDPUD's credit.

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  • M. JonesSeptember 27, 2013 - 2:20 pm

    Jack you are just drowning in the sea of muddle. The mountain democrat is the problem. Phil is only basing his opinion on the information presented by the paper. If what actually happened in the meetings was reported, Phil would understand. Also, people need to remember that the rate is only low because about 40% of the cost to treat and distribute the water is picked up by the tax payers some who get no water from this District. So the $23.57 per month is actually about $33.00. Then when you look at the usage rates that also are some of the highest you end up with about the same average rate everywhere else. Like I say muddled information. While debate is good the amount of miss information is a true cause for distress. Example the bid was approved to post in May not two months ago. The closing for the bids was two months ago. Little facts add up to making the District look stupid, but that is the idea. GOD Bless Mr. Hoffmann, he has found no loans were approved for this project, saved the grant from being dismissed due to inactivity. I think it was 2 years since anyone contacted the federal grant people, they were taking the grant away. So this man has saved the District from losing over one million dollars. An application for a loan with the USDA (not an agreement) was not complete. Once the cost changed to more than 5.7 million it was to be updated. Hummmm that was two years ago? A request for a loan placed to the State, not even an application. This information on the funding was requested by the Board over and over, and not presented.....until Mr. Hoffmann. The ultimate responsibility is the Board but I don't think it is the current Board it is the past Board's errors and lack of oversight. But the present Board must take the burden and has done so very well.

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  • =_=September 27, 2013 - 2:40 pm

    M. Jones: If Accuracy-in-GDPUD-Reporting awards were handed out, you'd be at the top of the list. More, please.

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  • R. Keenan - Pilothill, CASeptember 27, 2013 - 4:25 pm

    Boy Phil you really need to listen to the meeting audios and meeting board packets. You seem to have fallen hook, line and sinker for the propaganda of the GDPUD Good old boys. Ms. Jones is absolutely correct. It's not just the rate but what comes out of my pocket, there is NO OTHER PUD in California that has a higher percentage of their revenue from property taxes - MY PROPERTY Taxes, MY Pocket! It's a shell game to say "we have some of the lowest rates". Nope I pay more than my neighbor because of the amount of my property taxes that go to GDPUD PLUS my rates. I came from the central valley where we had several costly pumps and contamination to deal with. GDPUD starts with pristine water that is gravity fed. Our rates should be heck of a lot lower than they are now. So far the staff that has left has left for good reasons: cancer, retirement of spouse, ot wanting to cover crooked GM and his workload, etc. Phil, your ignorance is glaring. Nice to have you pay attention to the issues at GDPUD but some fact checking and research will benefit you. Listen to the meeting audio and gd-pud.org and download the board packets sir!

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  • Cecil-observer fm CamParkSeptember 27, 2013 - 4:51 pm

    Who the heck had EID hired from GDPUD Phil? Gdpud hired their former business manager from EID. Please backup your statement!

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  • Daniel SilvaSeptember 27, 2013 - 4:59 pm

    Once again Ms. Hodson decidedly omits and refuses to report key information that the public must know.  Thank goodness the “Gang of Three” (Directors Otermat, McLane and Capraun) hired a competent professional engineer and experienced manager as interim GM, Gary Hoffman (note: Directors Norm Krizl and Ray Griffiths voted no to replace interim GM Kelly Shively).  The “gang” had the intelligence and foresight to see that the former GM Hank White couldn’t manage his way out of a paper bag much less manage a multi-million new treatment plant.  Mr. Hoffman researched the status of the new treatment plant and disclosed to the Board that the former GM White and interim GM Kelly Shively had no clue about the process to work with the CA Department of Public Health.   I recommend you listen to the 9/24 meeting audio and download the meeting packet for documentation.  Here are a few tidbits regarding how our past GM totally mismanaged this project: 1) Submit loan application to CDPH – NOT DONE, 2) Submit plant plans to CDPH for approval – NOT DONE 3) Have plans approved by CDPH prior to RFP sent out – NOT DONE,  4) Keep EPA informed of plant status – NOT DONE (EPA hadn’t heard from GDPUD in over 2 years).   5) Have accurate cost of service prior to Prop 218 process – NOT DONE, 6) Have funding in place before RFP sent out – NOT DONE.   Both White and Shively wasted time and money and White totally mislead the Board and the public.  The new interim GM who is an experienced Professional Engineer, has taken the approximately $1million of plan overbuilds identified by engineer Webb Owen (again hired by the “gang”), plus identified more on his own, and met with Psomas the engineering firm to identify even more areas to save money.  For the first time in 13 years, the District has a competent, professional GM who is correcting the absolutely gross mismanagement of Hank White.  In listening to the meeting audio, Directors McLane and Otermat thanked GM Hoffman for providing for the first time clarity in the status of this project and the next steps.  I heard the audience applauding their statements and I wholeheartedly agree.    Directors Norm Krizl and Ray Griffiths attempted to share the blame of this debacle with CDPH and Psomas.  Sorry boys, you were not sharp enough to see that White was incompetent and building a house of cards that was falling fast as he made a quick exit.  Imagine if the shoe were on the other foot and Directors McLane, Otermat and Capraun had supported an incompetent, arrogant GM and Directors Krizl and Griffiths had hired Hoffman.  Boy, reporter Dawn Hodson would be all over those boys for saving the day.   Unfortunately she, Krizl and Griffiths are trying to sweep the inadequacies of past GM White under the carpet but the facts are clear, GM Hoffman is doing a superb job in cleaning up the messes of past Boards and GMs.  If not for Hoffman, GDPUD would still be spinning it's wheels and making no progress.  Thank you Gang of Three for making decisions that greatly benefit the district. If the reporter Hodson continues to omit key information from the Board Meetings, I feel obliged to for the sake of my community

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  • Phil VeerkampSeptember 27, 2013 - 5:17 pm

    Cecil - good field people - operators = "little people" you never hear about - the people who actually make it work -

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  • EvelynSeptember 27, 2013 - 5:20 pm

    Daniel Silva: Come back and complete your final sentence which reads: " If the reporter Hodson continues to omit key information from the Board Meetings, I feel obliged to for the sake of my community" ....................... Something got chopped off this great comment.

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  • Phil VeerkampSeptember 27, 2013 - 5:29 pm

    M. Jones - R. Keenan ~~~ Can either of you say whether or not the property tax component that goes toward GDPUD's income is from all of EDC or just from GDPUD's service zone?

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  • Daniel SilvaSeptember 27, 2013 - 5:32 pm

    And don't forget new GM Hoffman actually has experience in finding the best loan options for small districts. What an asset and a breathe of fresh air to have an honest pro as GM!

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  • Little RickySeptember 27, 2013 - 5:32 pm

    Also Phil, If this such a important issue to you, Show up at our next public meeting and spout about your worthless articles . I'm sure you will be well received... ;P

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  • R. KeeganSeptember 27, 2013 - 5:36 pm

    Phil, just for Gdpud's service zone

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  • Cecil-observer fm CamParkSeptember 27, 2013 - 5:45 pm

    Phil, my neighbor Jack retired from Gdpud as o e of the little guys after 25+ years and he's the one who had me ask you who the heck did EID hire from Gdpud? So who?

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  • Little RickySeptember 27, 2013 - 5:48 pm

    Hey Phil, Splain this to Little Ricky and the crowd,, {{{{{{{{{ Phil Veerkamp September 17, 2013 - 9:10 am Georgetown always was sort of an unnecessary appendage of El Dorado County}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} Hummmmm

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  • R. KeeganSeptember 27, 2013 - 5:55 pm

    Mr. Veerkamp seems to have under estimated that some of us Divide residents with facts on our side actually read his comments and need to challenge them is they are wrong.

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  • Phil VeerkampSeptember 27, 2013 - 6:09 pm

    Cecil - while at EID I sat on an interview panel that hired one, a Grade III distribution operator. I do not feel free to publish his name. I can think of two others. One is now Grade 5 treatment plant operator.

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  • Phil VeerkampSeptember 27, 2013 - 6:15 pm

    As GDPUD's budget requirements inevitably exceed income will new income come from property taxes or rates or both?

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  • =_=September 27, 2013 - 6:22 pm

    Tough questions for a stenographer; good questions for an investigative reporter.

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  • Little RickySeptember 27, 2013 - 7:04 pm

    Yo Phil, What about you Beloved EID.. http://www.mtdemocrat.com/news/eid-medical-costs-rise/

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  • Jack PodsedlySeptember 27, 2013 - 7:09 pm

    A lot of chatter, I think that Phil needs to join facebook or twitter to communicate to other bored people that have nothing else to do. When someone reads and article and wants to see the comments, they want to see comments about the topic of the article, no matter who wrote it enough said--

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  • Little RickySeptember 27, 2013 - 7:10 pm

    EID medical costs rise Say it aint so.... How can this be Phil..

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  • Little RickySeptember 27, 2013 - 7:12 pm

    I'm just messing with Phil and the Minions.. This is not his chat board... I agree ....

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  • Phil VeerkampSeptember 27, 2013 - 7:13 pm

    Jack, I'm not the one littering/trolling this thread.

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  • Former EDC JudgetSeptember 27, 2013 - 7:25 pm

    So Phil - did you really write" "Georgetown always was sort of an unnecessary appendage of El Dorado County"? Sorry to get off this subject but what was the goal of this attempt to degrade the good people of Georgetown? This is a bizarre comment and at the same time very telling of the man. In this age of making bold statements whi8le hiding behind the keyboard, allows cowards and weaklings to disparage without having the balls to say it face to face. I believe the good people of Georgetown deserve an explanation. We are fortunate you are not one of our neighbors.

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  • Little RickySeptember 27, 2013 - 7:29 pm

    :)

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  • Phil VeerkampSeptember 27, 2013 - 7:34 pm

    Former EDC Judget you ought to ask Little Ricky to link to the alleged statement. Little Ricky also calls me a drunk, a junkie. Have little Ricky document his vile accusations and libels.

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  • BOctober 08, 2013 - 4:15 pm

    Yup, Phil said all those things

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  • Little RickySeptember 27, 2013 - 7:35 pm

    Fingers in the cookie Jar Phil???

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  • Killing with Kindness in GeorgetownSeptember 27, 2013 - 7:42 pm

    Judge Eddie, I mean former EDC Judge, Thank you for calling Phil Veerkamp out on his "bizarre comment". I don't know how old Phil is but the older I get, the more important kindness is. I can still argue a good fight when necessary but I don't see any good reason to put down a community. Does this kind of comment elevate Phil in his eyes? Does he make a statement and say to himself "wow, I'm so clever, take that Georgetown!". I consider myself very fortunate to live in Georgetown, Phil might be surprised what kind of people live here. I love my community. volunteer when I can for many causes and hope that when I pass my good neighbors will remember me as a good kind person. Mr. Veerkamp, how do you want to be remembered? "Yeah that Phil Veerkamp really knew who to knockdown communities". Bravo, take a bow, you must be proud.

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  • Little RickySeptember 27, 2013 - 7:44 pm

    OK Phill, http://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/for-next-american-river-music-festival-about-smoking-drugs/#comment-770187 Phil Veerkamp September 22, 2013 - 8:49 pm How 'bout this, Shellz - I SURVIVED THE 70'S! Sobriety date 11/05/86 - a lot of dead druggies who were just doin' their thing - if it feel good do it - condescending about pot? no! sarcastic sympathy for idiots who believe pot is "innocent" \Phil Veerkamp September 22, 2013 - 9:36 pm btw, Shellz -re. that Grandson in Delancy Street - his mother had a medical pot script - she's dead

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  • Curious George(town)September 27, 2013 - 7:47 pm

    Lil Ricky - can you reference to what article Phil comments were written? Thank you.

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  • Little RickySeptember 27, 2013 - 7:49 pm

    Just saying... Phil needs help..

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  • Little RickySeptember 27, 2013 - 7:53 pm

    Curious George(town) Hope this helps. http://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/for-next-american-river-music-festival-about-smoking-drugs/ Drugs at the festival By Letters to the Editor http://www.mtdemocrat.com/news/alt-bid-decision-due-this-month/

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  • =_=September 27, 2013 - 7:54 pm

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  • Little RickySeptember 27, 2013 - 7:56 pm

    http://www.mtdemocrat.com/gallery-posts/medical-marijuana/ ----------------------------------------- http://www.mtdemocrat.com/news/alt-bid-decision-due-this-month/

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  • R. KeeganSeptember 27, 2013 - 7:56 pm

    Phil, additional income will most likely be from increased rates. If I read correctly in order for GDPUD to pay for loans, the State requires that they increase rates via a successful Prop 218 for new capital improvements.

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  • Big RickSeptember 27, 2013 - 7:59 pm

    Little Ricky has been blocked... http://www.mtdemocrat.com/news/alt-bid-decision-due-this-month/ --- http://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/for-next-american-river-music-festival-about-smoking-drugs/

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  • Phil VeerkampSeptember 27, 2013 - 8:04 pm

    R. Keegan, thank you. That is my understanding also. I was not giving proper consideration to the property tax component of GDPUD's revenue stream. Still my gut feeling is that rates HAVE TO GO UP to finance ALT, ACA, infrastructure upgrades and wages for the "little guy".

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  • Not PhilSeptember 27, 2013 - 8:05 pm

    Censorship

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  • James E.September 27, 2013 - 8:07 pm

    Phil was not knocking Georgetown (and those who live in that area), rather its location in relation to Placerville/Diamond Springs/Shingle Springs. It is a bit further out, but that is not a shameful thing. Much ado about nothing.

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  • Not PhilSeptember 27, 2013 - 8:09 pm

    http://www.mtdemocrat.com/sponsor/?url=http://www.mtdemocrat.com/news/alt-bid-decision-due-this-month/

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  • Not PhilSeptember 27, 2013 - 8:09 pm

    This is little Ricky thet blocked me... http://www.mtdemocrat.com/sponsor/?url=http://www.mtdemocrat.com/news/alt-bid-decision-due-this-month/

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  • Not PhilSeptember 27, 2013 - 8:12 pm

    Curious George(town) try goggling mtdemocrat.com Phil Veerkamp

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  • Not PhilSeptember 27, 2013 - 8:27 pm

    You can try to block me . But will Fail Little Ricky has many names and emails.... Bhahhhhh...

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  • R. Keenan, Pilot HillSeptember 27, 2013 - 8:28 pm

    Sorry for my typos (finally put my glasses on). Phil, you are correct rates will need to go up but a good investigative reporter would have a field day researching how GDPUD under the former GM and former Boards went from having several hundreds of thousands in surplus to running in a deficit the last 5 years. Past Boards who should have been the wards of public funds were spending like drunken sailors, doubling the GM's salary, increasing Board benefits that went way over budget, junkets to DC and Palm Springs, no investment in infrastructure, not keeping adequate reserves. The whole lot should have been thrown out but we are stuck with Director Norm Krizl (10+ years) and his twin Ray Griffiths who protect history instead of putting the public first. There were plenty of opportunities for the past Boards to reduce expense internally, instead they kept putting the burden on the ratepayers. Truly, I see that former GM Hank White did not have the skills to run even a small District. He wasted a million or so on the abandoned Greenwood Lake Treatment plan for which we ratepayers endured 3 years of increased rates but we have NO Greenwood Lake Treatment plan AND we will be facing more rate increases for the new ALT plant. If the Mountain Democrat had any inclination to look at the last 12 years of GDPUD finances and failed projects under Hank White, your eyes would be opened. But instead they know they backed the wrong horse and won't give kudos to the new majority Directors who really are making significant improvements. even in the civility of meetings. The past Board majority tolerated a GM who was downright deceitful, insubordinate and rude to any Director who had the gumption to ask for information to make an intelligent decision. and participated in the hostility and rudeness. Listen to the recordings! Hank White stated "why the harassment?" yet he was the chief perpetrator of hostility and harassment. You'd never read this in the Mt. Democrat so again I encourage you to listen to meetings yourself.

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  • Not PhilSeptember 27, 2013 - 8:29 pm

    =_=September 27, 2013 - 7:54 pm No Bueno Chump

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  • Not PhilSeptember 27, 2013 - 8:32 pm

    http://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/for-next-american-river-music-festival-about-smoking-drugs/

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  • James E.September 27, 2013 - 8:33 pm

    For whatever reason Little Ricky (and his sundry other names) does not like Phil, and his 12 year old comments bespeak his character. The adults on this site should be aware, and take his middle school comments with massive amounts of salt.

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  • Phil VeerkampSeptember 27, 2013 - 8:36 pm

    Thank you, James ~~~ repost ~~~ Little Rickey, you can find help at - (530) 622-8193 - It is clear that you are uninformed with regard to recovery. I have been assuming that when I gave you my "sobriety date" you would understand that I have been clean and sober since 11/05/1986. Obviously you are clueless with respect to recovery . . . or . . . just perhaps . . . you recognize that you too are in need of help. Hence I offer you - (530) 622-8193 - good luck. By the grace of God you may find a better path. On the off chance that I have hit the nail on the head and on the even slimmer chance you enter "the rooms" listen to them when they tell you, "The smoke bone is connected to the drink bone". - - One Day At A Time - good luck.

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  • Phil VeerkampSeptember 27, 2013 - 8:39 pm

    R. Keenan, thank you. I believe we are in agreement.

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  • fixed income seniorSeptember 27, 2013 - 9:09 pm

    Dawn left off part of the title: "ALT Treatment Plant Bids Allowed To Expire ..... Due to Former GM's Incompetency - No Funding and Plans Not Approved by State". Duh - hey if I were getting paid $250K per year including benefits, I'd get of my lazy arse and at least make sure I knew what steps I needed to complete. Good Luck Foresthill PUD. We are so lucky the new majority is putting the best interests of the public first and hired someone who can help GDPUD get into compliance. Past GDPUD Directors Joanne Shepherd, Bonnie Neeley, Bob Diekon, Mike Cooper, etc should be ashamed of their lack of oversight, allowing an arrogant manipulative GM to run the District into the ground. They were an extremely arrogant group of Good Old Boys and their laziness and overspending are being exposed. Thank you Gang!

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  • Bricky BooSeptember 27, 2013 - 9:26 pm

    Joanne Shepherd, Bonnie Neeley, Bob Diekon & Mike Cooper were among the stooges that staged a mock trial of a treasurer who asked too many pesky questions. What were they afraid of?

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  • littlerickySeptember 27, 2013 - 9:43 pm

    Run Run as fast as you can you can't stop me I am Little Ricky Man!!

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  • Big RickSeptember 28, 2013 - 7:40 am

    Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable. Mark Twain

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  • readerSeptember 28, 2013 - 8:45 am

    BRicky, you are a man of uncommon intelligence.

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  • Mark TwainSeptember 28, 2013 - 9:02 am

    Don't you just hate it when idiots quote you.

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  • medium sized rickySeptember 28, 2013 - 10:15 am

    I think I'm going downhill.

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  • M. JonesSeptember 28, 2013 - 2:44 pm

    Phil, GDPUD has hired several of EID's employee's and also PCWA. That is just like every other business. The employees just get tired of the same old stuff and want a change. The last Office Manager was from EID. There are more just so you know. ;)

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  • Phil VeerkampSeptember 28, 2013 - 3:42 pm

    M. Jones, here is EID's LINK - 2013 CLASS/PAY LISTING. Is GDPUD's available?

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  • Big RickSeptember 28, 2013 - 3:50 pm

    My mama's talkin' to me She tells me how to live, But I don't listen to her 'Cause my head is like a sieve Alice Bowie

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  • She didn't do it, Little BigSeptember 28, 2013 - 8:45 pm

    idiot

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  • BOctober 08, 2013 - 4:20 pm

    Minion :p

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  • Brad SlipiecSeptember 28, 2013 - 3:56 pm

    Never argue with an idiot; he will bring you down to his level and win from experience.

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  • Big RickSeptember 28, 2013 - 4:08 pm

    And it don't bother me If people think I'm funny, 'Cause I'm a big rock star And I make a lot of money!

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  • Big RickSeptember 28, 2013 - 6:27 pm

    So Phil likes to moan about GDPUD but where is his wisdom about eid-medical-costs-rise/. http://www.mtdemocrat.com/news/eid-medical-costs-rise/ I don't think Phil wants to irritate his pals at EID. Just saying....

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  • James E.September 28, 2013 - 6:30 pm

    Silence is golden.

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  • Big RickSeptember 28, 2013 - 10:23 pm

    Do you Quack Like a Duck http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9yHFAAhUq0

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  • Big RickSeptember 28, 2013 - 10:32 pm

    OK you win.Wow.... I have no come back for such half witticism ... ;p She didn't do it, Little BigSeptember 28, 2013 - 8:45 pm idiot

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  • RSeptember 29, 2013 - 3:36 pm

    Silence...

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  • Cecil fm Cam ParkOctober 02, 2013 - 12:07 pm

    M Jones, to clarify, Phil is saying that EID hires employees from GDPUD. I know GDPUD hires EID employees but I was unaware of the reverse which Phil claims.

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  • ROctober 04, 2013 - 10:03 pm

    Sit Jimmy Woof

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Pitching the ‘Root’ cause of Trojans’ victory

By Mike Bush | From Page: A6 | Gallery

 
Sports Scene: April 22, 2014

By Democrat Staff | From Page: A7

Roundup: April 22, 2014

By Democrat Staff | From Page: A7

 
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Prospecting

4-H’ers star at showcase

By Dawn Hodson | From Page: B1 | Gallery

 
At a glance: Look for fireballs

By Mimi Escabar | From Page: B2, 1 Comment

Authors to share their stories

By Pat Lakey | From Page: B2, 2 Comments

 
Church to host human trafficking conference

By Pollock Pines | From Page: B3

Grow For It! Flower of Easter

By Barbara Schuchart | From Page: B5

 
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Essentials

Crime Log: April 1-3

By Cole Mayer | From Page: A2

 
Weather stats 4-22-14

By Michael Raffety | From Page: A2

Building permits 4/7-11/2014

By Michael Raffety | From Page: A2

 
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Obituaries

Bobby Lloyd Bridges

By Contributor | From Page: A2

 
Harry Frank Harper

By Contributor | From Page: A2

Marion “Wayne” Griswold

By Contributor | From Page: A2

 
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Real Estate

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Comics

Speed Bump

By Contributor | From Page: A8

 
Tundra

By Contributor | From Page: A8

Horoscope, Thursday, April 24, 2014

By Contributor | From Page: A8

 
Horoscope, Wednesday, April 23, 2014

By Contributor | From Page: A8

Working It Out

By Contributor | From Page: A8

 
TV Listings

By Contributor | From Page: A8

Shoe

By Contributor | From Page: A8

 
Sudoku

By Contributor | From Page: A8

Rubes

By Contributor | From Page: A8

 
New York Times Crossword

By Contributor | From Page: A8

Flying McCoys

By Contributor | From Page: A8