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Sometimes, the “public’s right to know” ends at the door when the El Dorado County Board of Supervisors convenes in a closed session. That is particularly true when supervisors are dealing with personnel issues such as an “exit interview” with a departing department head.

An agenda item recommended by Supervisor Ray Nutting for the Tuesday, Oct. 22 meeting had urged the board to go public with the reasons former Health and Human Services Agency Director Daniel Nielson resigned with little warning earlier in the year.

“In the spirit of transparency and openness, have a discussion on inviting the former director of El Dorado County Health and Human Services to disclose publicly the reasons why he resigned,” the agenda item reads. “Have a discussion on the waiving of closed session privilege. The board members present at the former Director of El Dorado County Health and Human Services exit interview could then openly discuss the content of that meeting.”

Nutting’s item concludes with a recommendation to “reach out to other past department heads to receive feedback as to circumstances that led to their departure” and take action to address (if necessary) “similar underlying systemic problems within the County departments.”

When Clerk of the Board Jim Mitrisin finished reading the item into the record, there was no immediate reaction. However, within moments, Board Chairman Ron Briggs pulled no punches in telling his colleague that he had proposed an inappropriate, unworkable and basically terrible idea. Not far behind, County Counsel Ed Knapp reminded the board that employees enter a closed session with an expectation of privacy and confidentiality protected by any number of personnel and employment laws. To selectively open the doors could effectively shut down honest communications between employer and employee, Knapp advised.

He further pointed out that a former department head, like any private citizen, has the right to come before the board and say whatever he or she wishes to say in public, but the board does not have a comparable right or authority.

Tuesday of this week Nutting again put an item on the board’s agenda recommending that the county initiate a policy regarding “bullying and workplace violence.” During the discussion, Nutting became more and more adamant and emotional.

“I’m absolutely shocked that there’s not a definition of bullying (in county policy),” Nutting began. “I’ve received more calls than I can count (from employees) who say they’ve been unfairly blamed for mistakes, been excluded and criticized in public or experienced abusive language (from managers or supervisors) … We need a safe place for employees and businesses doing business with the county (to be heard without fear of retribution). We need to deal with this now in a non-confidential way.”

Nutting further asserted that the county has “lost millions of dollars” as good employees have left county service because of ill treatment by higher officials. At that point, Briggs turned to Nutting and suggested that the supervisor “should apologize” for having brought forward the issue of closed sessions being made public during the board meeting last week. Nutting challenged saying, “that’s your opinion,” and Briggs added, “that’s my opinion.”

Norma Santiago, supervisor for District 5 interjected that she wanted “to elevate” the conversation.

“It’s time to get an update,” she said. “We have a Human Resources Strategic Investment team dealing with this, and we (need) time to go through the process … The bottom line is that as a board we’re making a commitment to make a safe, pleasant, productive workplace because we care about our employees.”

For the good of the department

A number of regular board meeting attendees spoke in favor of the county seeking outside expertise to deal with bullying or alleged bullying by county employees. Nutting had suggested that in-house efforts have failed and Human Resources Department Director Pamela Knorr pointed out that her department has had a significant lack of continuity in the past nine years during which 11 individuals have come and gone from the position to which she was recently appointed. Knorr also brought up the fiscal aspect of implementing an anti-bullying policy but added that employee turnover also carries a fiscal impact.

Supervisor Ron Mikulaco described the challenge of 1,700 employees: “We can’t see every cubicle.” He also said, “We can’t give a tool that people can use to sue the county” and “we don’t want to adopt a policy we can’t enforce.” Coming from the private sector, Mikulaco acknowledged that “civil service is new to me.”

At that point, Nutting, struggling with emotion, asked his fellow supervisors to “give me a few minutes so I can tell you what this means to me.” He described growing up with older sister Nancy who is developmentally disabled and having to defend her and others from bullying and getting “bare-butt spanked” at school for standing up to bullies. “I will not tolerate bullying. We see bullying in closed session and I’m trying to daylight (this problem) … and shame on us for not protecting the Nancys of the world and our employees.” He repeated his “shame on the Board of Supervisors” charge several times.

“Come on Ray. You’ve been here 14 years and you’ve done nothing (about this),” Briggs challenged and then called a five-minute break and left the room while some in chambers groaned in disapproval.

Mikulaco encountered an angry woman at the door to the lobby on his way out. Liz Lawless said he hit her and ran into her. He apologized but said he had not been aware of bumping into her. Lawless said later that it had occurred during an earlier break when Mikulaco “came flying down the aisle” and brushed against her. Each accused the other of escalating the conversation by “yelling,” which began when Lawless’s husband confronted Mikulaco. She clarified to the Mountain Democrat that “he didn’t hit me intentionally, but he needs to be aware (of people around him).” She also said they had no personal stake in the meeting but were there “to support Ray.”

As the session resumed, Nutting apologized to “businesses, employees and citizens” for not having made a greater effort to deal with the problem years ago. Then addressing HR Director Knorr, Nutting said, “I guarantee you will fail. We need to go outside (for help with this problem).”

Supervisor Brian Veerkamp weighed in, saying he was “appalled that we’ve done this in this manner. (Correction) needs to start at the top and get outside help if we need it.”

Supervisor Norma Santiago said the board should expect a draft policy within two weeks and agreed that supervisors might have to consider outside expertise to deal with the issue into the future. The board then voted unanimously to direct county staff to prepare the draft policy. After the vote, Nutting again predicted that it “won’t work unless we have outside help.”

Supervisors charged Chief Administrative Officer Terri Daly with leading the effort to develop an anti-bullying policy. In response to a request for comment, Daly e-mailed the Mountain Democrat Thursday morning. She said existing policies generally “work well when a complaint is documented, facts can be independently verified and corrective measures taken when necessary. “

Employees have the right to discuss a problem with their own supervisor or manager or any other supervisor or manager or department head within the county system, and most county employees are represented by a union or association. However, Daly continued, “Anonymous complaints are more difficult to assess. It can also be difficult to address behavior that is perhaps undesirable or unprofessional, but not unlawful. Nonetheless, I’m confident that we can craft additional feedback mechanisms to help improve the culture.”

Contact Chris Daley at 530-344-5063 or cdaley@mtdemocrat.net. Follow @CDaleyMtDemo.

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  • Fran DuchampNovember 03, 2013 - 3:03 pm

    The Door to Employee Bullying Opens Just a Crack: "Local Businessman and Political Consultant Dan Dellinger spoke about how some of the same people accused of be bullying county employees are also know in the business community as bullies."f"Perhaps one of the most moving speakers was local activist and the person restoring the old Hangman’s Tree building who spoke about her own, and her daughters’, experience working for the county. She explained how she taught daughter to get along, but to stand up for someone that is being abused. She said..." Sorry Chris--good article...but many items left out. Many people spoke out..and it brought tears to peoples eyes. "Many speakers spoke about the problem without going into detail and most confirmed the need for outside intervention. - See more at: http://www.inedc.com/comment/2131#sthash.GCKePzM6.dpuf

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 03, 2013 - 3:08 pm

    Thank you Fran. Evelyn provided this link. - LINK - Board of Supervisors - Tuesday, October 29, 2013 - The relevant segment begins 06:08:39 into the meeting. Move the left hand slider down to "20. 13-1340 Supervisor Nutting recommending the Board consider . . . "

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 03, 2013 - 3:26 pm

    Dan Dellinger did not say the name, "Joe Harn". Instead Dan Dellinger mentioned the "Auditor-Controller". Approximately Mr. Dellinger reported on "bullying" of the Chamber of Commerce in by the Auditor-Controller, Harn, by incorrectly applying Government Code Section 8314, subsection (a) and thereby effect the outcome of the EID election. The Mountain Democrat reported on Harn's action here. - LINK - EID: Election heats up - Mr. Dellinger's brave appearance begins at 06:24:45. in the video link above.

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 03, 2013 - 3:44 pm

    At 06:26:36 into the meeting Supervisor Briggs "shut down" Mr. Dellinger with this "advisory", "Dan, I think, I think you're headed down the wrong path". I recall Sacramento media reporting on the Camber issue. I recall Harn on KFBK on the "Nutting issue". Does Joe Harn have more influence in Sacramento or in Placerville?

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 03, 2013 - 3:52 pm

    . . . Essentially, Mr. Dellinger reported on "bullying" of the Chamber of Commerce by the Auditor-Controller, Joe Harn, through his incorrect application of Government Code Section 8314, subsection (a) and thereby attempting to effect the outcome of the EID election. . . . (forgive my sloppy)

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  • Fran DuchampNovember 03, 2013 - 3:09 pm

    Watch the video from oct 29th it was the last part of the vid...for about an hour...what you cant see is the faces of people sitting down http://eldorado.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=2&clip_id=305 It was really something one doesnt forget...the despair on peoples faces. this should not take weeks--this was real people in real time...sharing.

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 03, 2013 - 3:58 pm

    And Fran's brave contribution begins at 06:35:33. Go go, gurl!

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 03, 2013 - 4:04 pm

    Following Fran is Sue Taylor's inspiring contribution at 06:37:10 - Pretty good for a gurl, Sue. (wink)

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  • Fran DuchampNovember 03, 2013 - 3:15 pm

    Lets not forget the employee who got up and walked out saying this is "b#llsh** she is on camera in the room...but you can not hear her comment...people where i sat could.

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  • Oh it's you againNovember 04, 2013 - 6:49 am

    The backroom politics are being brought out into the light. Harassment by any other name is still harassment. The same applies to intimidation. None of the three supervisors that passed the previous "bullying" resolution have done anything until now including the rock throwing Chairman Briggs. Addressing abuses at the elected level in the work environment is ridiculously complicated sans legal action. Think about term limits on ALL elected positions at the county level, not just the Supervisors, as a long term solution...

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  • RaulNovember 04, 2013 - 8:31 am

    Term limits for all elected positions. What a great idea...DUH. Just look at Diamond Joe Harn, the $250,000+ King of Teflon. 19 years in office, feeding at the trough, producing little or nothing but hate, discontent and hindering any progress in this county that does not benefit him and his bootlickers. Did he win elections because he is the best person? No he wins through intimidation, lies and deceit. Joe runs the county, everybody knows it. The BOS is nuetered and needs Joes OK to do anything. Come on Grand Jury, do your job unlike the past one who had Joes boy reporting to him daily. Joe must GO

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  • citizenNovember 04, 2013 - 8:49 am

    Forget the powerless do-nothing GJ that meets in a bugged room.

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  • Bob ReevesNovember 04, 2013 - 3:20 pm

    When I contacted alumni of San Mateo High School, they told me Raymond Nutting was one of the bullies. When I spoke to several people in El Dorado County they told me the same thing.The woman who owns the property at the corner of Pleasant Valley Road and Newtown Road was BULLIED by Raymond Nutting because she put a campaign sign of Raymonds opponent. When the Liberty El Dorado Party endorsed someone other than Raymond he, BULLIED the chairwoman Tina Mizany. When Raymond wanted to put a campaign sign on the property of the Buffalo ranch on Hwy 50, he BULLIED the owners till they told him to get off the property. Raymond also BULLIED the owners of Bonz Bar and Restaurant after they put up a campaign sign of his opponent .And how about the the Somerset Store proprietors who put up someone other than Raymonds campaign sign and had to put up with Raymonds threats. Raymond Nutting getting emotional about his sister being BULLIED is not entirely true. I heard stories that they used to tie her up and lock Nancy in a room. So who's the Bully Raymond. Stop trying to get sympathy using your dead sister! I personally would like to know how on your salary, on August 8th 2012 you paid cash for a house in Aberdeen, South Dakota . Was that our grant money? Was it our money Raymond ?

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 04, 2013 - 3:41 pm

    GJ data, Robert?

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  • Eileen PopeNovember 04, 2013 - 3:49 pm

    Does the D.A. know that Baby Ray paid cash for a house? Has the D.A. followed the Grant money ? Does the States Attorney investigate such things ? Why is this not news ?!!!

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  • citizenNovember 04, 2013 - 3:58 pm

    Eileen, with your GJ experience you know how to file a complaint. Do it if you have one.

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  • EvelynNovember 04, 2013 - 3:52 pm

    Doesn't it strike anyone as odd that in the past 9 years HR has gone through 11 Dept. Directors?

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 04, 2013 - 4:14 pm

    . . . and the DA and the CA just keep marching on . . . Glory, Glory what's it to ya . . .

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  • Fran DuchampNovember 04, 2013 - 8:33 pm

    Yes Miss Evelyn--I thought it was odd.

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  • Bob ReevesNovember 04, 2013 - 4:11 pm

    No Phil, just looking for the truth.Call the Brown County Register of Deeds 605 626-7140 ask them who owns Lot 22 Block 10 in Nicollet Park? Now go do your own digging.

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  • Irv ColeNovember 04, 2013 - 4:16 pm

    August 8th 2012 was that right after the election? Was that left over campaign donations?

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  • railroadNovember 04, 2013 - 4:21 pm

    So does Raymond Nutting really want to air dirty laundry?x

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  • EldoradoNovember 04, 2013 - 6:25 pm

    Just so everyone knows ex-Grand Juror Bob Reeves has had an evil obsession with Ray Nutting from day 1, even while he was inditing Ray..He constantly follows Ray, his family and friends everywhere they go taking pictures and has been seen on occasion reporting straight back to the Prosecution team ....This wacko happily shills for DA, who is using him to spread rumors and BS about Nutting before his trial....For instance the house Nutting purchased in Aberdeen SD was for his two boys who are attending collage there, nothing sinister.....The Sheriff's Dept. has contacted and questioned Mr. Reeves in the past about his stalking and crazy obsession of Nutting, but to no avail....Anyplace else but Eldorado Co. and this guy would be in jail already..

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  • Bob ReevesNovember 04, 2013 - 7:19 pm

    The house that Raymond Nutting bought for his two sons was payed in full.My question is how did Raymond Nutting come up with so much cash. Next, Raymond Nutting called the Sheriff to complain about my investigation of him. The Sheriff found nothing wrong with my investigation. The people I talked with are real,and the facts of my investigation are also real. My investigation ended months ago, and I am only releasing the information that is pertinent at this time. If Raymond Nutting doesn't like me looking into his past, I don't care. I don't work for Raymond Nutting!

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  • KathiNovember 18, 2013 - 2:34 am

    You don't work for the people either...

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  • Melody LaneNovember 04, 2013 - 11:51 pm

    People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones... Briggs demonstrates his mastery of BS (Bureaucratic Shenanigans) with bully tactics against a former EDC employee and constituent from his district when I bring up the subject of AB1234 (ethics training) during the 10/22 BOS Open Forum. In RETALIATION Briggs shuts off the microphone and storms out of the room when I stood my ground and held him accountable for BULLY TACTICS: http://eldorado.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=2&clip_id=299 Melody Lane, Founder - Compass2Truth

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  • R.j. CarterNovember 05, 2013 - 6:59 am

    ElDorado.........Now I have a name to put on the face that showed up at the Vets Hall during a Sunday breakfast and began taking pictures of myself, my friend and our wives......Nutting was gone, but we had been talking with the Nutting family earlier that morning at the breakfast hall so I guess we were worth stalking.........Many, many thanks for the info.....

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 05, 2013 - 8:20 am

    R J, isn't it interesting how shining a light in Pierson's and Harn's direction brings out the hunting hounds. Doesn't one of the hounds go by the name of Luca?

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  • Bob ReevesNovember 05, 2013 - 9:20 am

    R.J. there was no stalking. I took a lot of pictures of k.a..(known associates) and you and Mr. Padgett have interesting faces.

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  • observerNovember 05, 2013 - 9:24 am

    load of twaddle

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  • 1036-FrankNovember 05, 2013 - 9:29 am

    Until Nutting's trial, how many attempts are the public going to have to see of this bad actor's spin and act game? And his bit players and accomplices are part of it and appear on stage or in print on command, do they have weekly meetings? They should be laughed off the stage and shouldn't be fooling anyone with an ounce of common sense, but some people don't have an ounce left. This simply, is one stunt after another after another and his stage is the BOS and this is on our public time using our public property and is whatever they can think up at the moment, even throwing in faked tears or real ones for being caught, and this is right in front of people's eyes. I really can't believe anyone is buying this and aren't smart enough to see the motives of this grand act of a very poor actor and a gang of fools and tools. I say move the trial up so this can be a last act and an exit from the stage and three new seats on the BOS can be filled and sanity restored, much sooner then later.

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  • Walking TallNovember 05, 2013 - 10:28 am

    This was reported long ago and now that the facts are shown the supporters have more questions of Ray. Ray wants everyone to donate $$ to help him with his defense and they do without knowning that Ray paid cash ($85,000.00) for a house in S.D. and sends a regular shipment of "Hangtown Gold" to his son to sell. Guess where it's grown, well now that this factual information is known here's more; Ray had to pay for the fire supression and not the total amount only $10,000.00 wonder why ? when it was supposed to be $1000,000.00 guess he just used his position as a reduction tool. The beat goes on and yes Ray threatened George Turnboo and countless others when he was campagining, now he will spin on the facts to benefit him....Ray Ray go away

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 05, 2013 - 4:17 pm

    Bob Luca, is that you walking tall?

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  • Bob ReevesNovember 05, 2013 - 3:50 pm

    WALKING TALLv

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  • Bob ReevesNovember 05, 2013 - 3:57 pm

    WALKING TALL you get an A for doing your homework. Its nice to know you have the ability to dig. Now if the D.A. will follow the money.

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  • Irv ColeNovember 05, 2013 - 4:02 pm

    Where is the D.A. in all this? He must know about it. Why is this not being investigated. Does any know who I complain to?

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  • FYINovember 05, 2013 - 6:44 pm

    The count is now three former Grand Jury members weighing in on this article. Public service one day, working for the DA the next. No bias there.

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  • disillusionedNovember 05, 2013 - 7:02 pm

    The Grand Jury system in El Dorado County is hopelessly broken. The room is bugged, the GJ itself is salted with moles, and followup on the annual reports is something less than miniscule.

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  • EldoradoNovember 05, 2013 - 7:08 pm

    Former members of the Grand Jury that indited Mr. Nutting along with handful of crooked ex-cops all blogging in the MD, and spreading vicious lies and on behave of the D.A. and his cronies. That should be the real story!!

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  • Ryan DonnerNovember 05, 2013 - 9:04 pm

    How about we add one more retired grand juror? Let's also get back to the topic at hand; bullying. This issue is running wild in county government. While Human Resources has a process to deal with bullying, in my case, it went unresolved and I was forced to resign. The County needs a clear and outlined guide for how to properly deal with issues pertaining to bullying and harassment. As for a powerless Grand Jury; it is up to the BOS to decide if a Grand Jury has any teeth or not. In most cases they do nothing to follow the advice of the Grand Jury, (like in El Dorado County) and it seems the Grand Jury is useless, but look to other counties like Sacramento, and you will see a completely different relationship between the two.

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  • Bob ReevesNovember 05, 2013 - 9:44 pm

    Thanks for the input Ryan, you are truly missed.

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  • Walking TallNovember 05, 2013 - 10:30 pm

    Stand by for the next installment of Ray and his illegal activity as it has been discovered that he registered his son to vote and then he voted for him in the last election..all the while his son lived in the state of Washington, a violation of state voting laws.But Ray has a history of doing this for his sons as they couldn't possibly know who to vote for so he does it for them, Ray and his "Above the Law" feelings have shown all who don't have a blindfold on that he is a crook and continues to prove it to this county everyday. Master bully, thief, liar, embezzler, voter fraud, Rico statue violator, etc. there is no limit to the violations and unethical practices he has commited. Save this county from more expense and just plead out and leave, no one is buying what your are selling or represent Ray

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 06, 2013 - 11:37 am

    With Vern and Joe keeping us all on the straight and narrow this could never happen here could it?------------------------->What began as a simple traffic stop ended in . . . LINK - ‘You Could Never Anticipate This Happening in the United States of America’ ~~~ 1. Eckert’s abdominal area was X-rayed; no narcotics were found. 2. Doctors then performed an exam of Eckert’s anus with their fingers; no narcotics were found. 3. Doctors performed a second exam of Eckert’s anus with their fingers; no narcotics were found. 4. Doctors penetrated Eckert’s anus to insert an enema. Eckert was forced to defecate in front of doctors and police officers. Eckert watched as doctors searched his stool. No narcotics were found. 5. Doctors penetrated Eckert’s anus to insert an enema a second time. Eckert was forced to defecate in front of doctors and police officers. Eckert watched as doctors searched his stool. No narcotics were found. 6. Doctors penetrated Eckert’s anus to insert an enema a third time. Eckert was forced to defecate in front of doctors and police officers. Eckert watched as doctors searched his stool. No narcotics were found. 7. Doctors then X-rayed Eckert again; no narcotics were found. 8. Doctors prepared Eckert for surgery, sedated him, and then performed a colonoscopy where a scope with a camera was inserted into Eckert’s anus, rectum, colon and large intestines. No narcotics were found. ~~~

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  • EvelynNovember 06, 2013 - 12:08 pm

    Adding insult to injury, reportedly the hospital billed the man for the medical procedures inflicted. - HERE (Bet this isn't covered by Obamacare.)

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  • MorrisNovember 06, 2013 - 1:07 pm

    Think we should sell squares on the final settlement amount. Dibs on 15.25 million. And some flowers.

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  • 1036-FrankNovember 06, 2013 - 11:26 am

    At least, for now, he will have a home in South Dakota to move to, but people are going to keep asking where did the money come from? Who or what paid for it? Is he really the "Farmer" his attorney said he was? If he is, what is he farming? Should the DEA do some fly overs? Sounds way too close to another Supervisor's arrest and prison sentence for "Farming." This "Bullying" stunt at the BOS led by Nutting shouldn't surprise anyone, these are all last acts of desperation by the lie and try whatever group that appears to come up with a new weekly stunt to pull on the public stage at the BOS. This week was trying to corrupt and use a subject like "Bullying" and be the victim, turn the tears on, and trot in his gang of fools to be further "victims" and add a few real ones to use as a tool who just didn't know what was going on. People should carefully read what people have known for years and talk to people in his district like business owners, several are mentioned that have experience with campaign Bullying, seek the truth and the real story will come out and he isn't someone anyone would want anywhere near a public office let alone the BOS. His motive to not step down appears to be to be able to keep up these weekly stunts and attempts to manipulate people, play the victim, collect money, and sadly, some very naïve people are caught up in this act. He's pretty good at this, just not good enough.

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  • R.j. CarterNovember 06, 2013 - 11:47 am

    Phil..Many thanks for your wonderful lunch-hour post...I just gave the rest of my turkey sandwich to the cat...LOL

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 06, 2013 - 11:49 am

    . . . and who did the cat give it to?

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 06, 2013 - 11:59 am

    Forgive this musing R J. (no reply expected) But it popped into my twisted mind that the reason for abandoning your turkey sandwich might have been that by the time you read all the way from item 1) to item 8) you were . . . uh . . . fully aroused?

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  • James E.November 06, 2013 - 12:05 pm

    Phil, and the rest of the story is that the hospital sent him a bill for $6.000. Wonder if the bill noted the procedure -- anal rape?

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  • EvelynNovember 06, 2013 - 12:11 pm

    Sorry. Didn't see that you already had this covered.

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  • R.j. CarterNovember 06, 2013 - 12:10 pm

    Phil.....You are one sick puppy...

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 06, 2013 - 12:14 pm

    R J, there you go again . . . insulting puppies . . .

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  • MorrisNovember 06, 2013 - 2:18 pm

    '.......While Mr. Eckert continues to assert that his right to free speech is protected under the Constitution, he admits that giving law enforcement the finger has proved less satisfying than originally expected.....'

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  • 1036-FrankNovember 07, 2013 - 9:36 am

    An interesting development, Sac County DA has just charged a public office holder, one Cortez Quinn, with multiple felony counts of violations of failure to disclose income on the required 700 forms as perjury, also receiving personal loans from an employee of the district where he worked along with other charges. Sound familiar?

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  • EvelynNovember 07, 2013 - 9:52 am

    "Cortez Quinn, 46, faces multiple felony counts after allegedly conspiring to falsify his paternity test and illegally receiving loans from a school district employee. A DNA sample from a paper towel Quinn used at Twin Rivers district headquarters in August has given prosecutors reason to believe he manipulated a previous genetics test to deny he fathered a child with a former district employee. - HERE

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  • EvelynNovember 07, 2013 - 9:53 am

    Yep. Definitely sounds familiar.

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  • James E.November 07, 2013 - 9:55 am

    When are these guys going to own up to fatherhood? Another trend I've noticed is that when a young girl gets pregnant the young father jumps ship and never pays his dues (child support). And, the young girl never takes him to court???

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  • James E.November 07, 2013 - 9:59 am

    And the young man then goes on to make another girl (maybe two or three more) pregnant. Again jumping ship every time.

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  • 1036-FrankNovember 07, 2013 - 10:35 am

    The complaint filed is where one can read charge after charge of perjury for failure to disclose income on 700 forms, charged as felonies. This is what is important. There is no, "Do-overs" for these forms once filed and signed that changes anything in regards to the Penal Code sections. Mr. Quinn had also been fined by the FPPC prior to the charges being filed for non-disclosure of income on 700 forms. Mr. Quinn, has as of yet, not resigned after his arrest. Mr. Quinn also is charged with receiving personal loans from an employee of the district where he was elected to the board. What is important to all the local conspiracy, Joe did it, the DA did it, Briggs did it, people is that this case is one of many that appear that are similar where violations of the law relating to corruption are prosecuted.

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  • EvelynNovember 07, 2013 - 11:40 am

    Interestingly, in 2006 Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger was fined $200,000 for FPPC (campaign finance) violations. That was the end of it. No felony charges. Nada.

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  • 1036-FrankNovember 07, 2013 - 12:36 pm

    Arnold from Austria probably granted himself a pardon before he left, he was fined for failure to report 25 million in campaign contributions, he was also fined again for some other things relating to ballot campaign commercials. He also illegally pardoned a murderer as a favor for a friend. The state AG, which I think was none other than Moonbeam, declined to prosecute.

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  • EvelynNovember 07, 2013 - 12:43 pm

    In 2006 Schwarzenegger was still Governor, still to serve another 4 years. And what we're agreeing upon is that "felonies" can be in the eye of the beholder, depending upon one's "support network".

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  • 1036-FrankNovember 07, 2013 - 1:16 pm

    Yes it is agreed, in the old system in the county, everything was based on a concept of "Who you know" and a phone call would and did get some people out of some serious situations related to the law. This situation became worse by the year and it was bound to implode at some point and when the old gang lost their positions through elections it showed people had seen the light. Some believe their old act can still play after the curtain came down and the show ended. Many of them are now a bit more informed and some are still learning.

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  • EvelynNovember 07, 2013 - 1:38 pm

    SIDE NOTE: Schwarzenneger was fined 500 times more than Nutting.

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  • Bob ReevesJanuary 14, 2014 - 1:21 pm

    I apologize to ray nutting and his family , i just found out that that rays sister is alive, and the stories about his sister are false.

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