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From page A1 | September 16, 2013 | 70 Comments

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NEW POLICE CHIEF for the Placerville Police Department is Scott Heller, who previously worked for the Modesto Police Department. Democrat photo by Krysten Kellum

The badge is new and very shiny, but newly sworn-in Placerville Police Chief Scott Heller has plenty of experience. After almost 17 years with the Modesto Police Department in a wide variety of positions, from patrol officer to assistant Investigative Services Division commander and acting commander, Heller brings Placerville leadership and expertise with special operations units involved with narcotics, gangs, homicides and shootings.

The 42-year-old chief met with the Mountain Democrat to talk about his focus for his new position, the community and why he chose to come to Placerville.

“What drew us here was actually a brochure with the police chief posting,” said Heller. The brochure showed a picture of downtown and the Belltower and described Placerville as a real home town. “It caught my attention. I wasn’t looking to leave Modesto, but we came up here to look at Placerville and loved the central location for activities, the family centric atmosphere. The community made a great first impression — the businesses and restaurants were inviting and, as each step of the recruitment process went on, we felt it was it really right for us.”

“Us” includes Heller’s wife and his three children — an 18-year-old son, a 7-year-old son and a 3-year-old old daughter. “Between school and sports, it’s a busy transition, but it’s our intention to have the whole family up here,” said Heller.

Heller is getting to know the Placerville community and his staff through a series sit-downs that are critical to his focus on collaboration with the community. ”I’ve been on a number of boards in the past, but I prefer to have more direct involvement,” said Heller of his community activities. “I coached baseball and football in Modesto and they are in the process of getting a Boys and Girls Club there. I would like to reach out to the Boys and Girls Club here.”

“My focus is on improving the quality of life for the community and the quality of service in our department,” said Heller. “Police are in the business of service and this goes hand-in-hand with the quality of life. The police are the community and the community is the police.”

Of Modesto’s crime rate, significantly higher than the state and national average, Heller said the police attributed the higher rate of robberies, property thefts and assaults in the city of Modesto to the recent realignment of prisoners, due to AB 109 and Highway 99 being a major narcotic trafficking thoroughfare. “The  gangs and violent crime come from the supply side of the narcotic trafficking and the property crimes and robberies are often on the demand side — addicts stealing copper or wire to buy a $50 bag of meth.”

“It’s a tireless effort on the part of Modesto law enforcement and the community to interrupt the flow of violent crime,” said Heller. “There are a lot of good people in that community and the police department is using the opportunity to find more progressive crime solving techniques and to better their approach to crime.”

While serving as Division Commander for Investigative Services in 2012, Heller said there were more than 20 homicides. “We had a 100 percent crime solve rate,” he said.

In his new capacity, Heller is looking forward to a different focus — one of solving quality of life issues instead of strictly managing crime. “Managing crime can be reactive. Law enforcement can’t solve everything by itself, but it can provide key leadership. By developing solutions as a community, we can speak with one voice which is very effective,” he said.

“Broadway is on my radar,” said Heller. “Homelessness is not a crime. It does present challenges, especially for businesses. A collaborative effort between the business community, law enforcement and the community at large is important. From what I know of the Placerville community, it is very generous, but there is a tipping point where the community simply can’t provide resources for a whole region.

“We can reestablish Broadway — bring the parks and the businesses back to functioning and then hand them back to the community to maintain,” said Heller. He uses the broken window analogy to illustrate his point: “If you fix the little things early on, like a broken window, letting someone know that you’re paying attention, then you can often prevent bigger things from happening and it’s easy for people to maintain.”

“I want to build a multi-disciplinary team in my department to deal with the challenges of the transient population. The front-line officers who deal daily with transients should have a network of resources at their disposal, not just move them around,” said Heller. “Homelessness is a social issue and you can’t solve it with traditional law enforcement tools. Connecting people with resources and getting them counseling is even more important than providing housing. Problem-oriented policing looks at a social solution to the problem first. Sometimes people come unplugged and if we can help restore them to being functioning citizens, we’ve served the community.”

Heller comes into the police chief position with a salary of $109,140. He was sworn into office at the Placerville City Council meeting on Sept. 10 in front of a large contingent of family, friends and fellow officers from Modesto.

Contact Wendy Schultz at 530 344-5069 or wschultz@mtdemocrat.net. Follow @wschultzMtDemo on Twitter.

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  • EvelynSeptember 15, 2013 - 1:52 pm

    The amazing turnout of Modesto police officers who had driven up for Chief Heller's swearing in at the Sept. 10th City Council meeting surely was a tribute to this man's character. Clearly, they had not come to say good riddance. Rather, there was a palpable tenor of pride, respect and comradeship. Congratulations to the City of Placerville. Welcome, Chief Heller.

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  • Fashion PoliceSeptember 15, 2013 - 6:03 pm

    Good luck! I've seen the homeless here for over 50 years, they have lived in the forest, on the now bike trail, and off Broadway, and to be honest, I have never had a problem with them. I shop dollar store often and have never even been aproached by them. The only issue I see is the shirtless/homeless guy in front of McDonalds. I have seen him for years and appears to not create any problems except, well, for the love of Pete can you legally force him to keep his shirt on?

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  • OverkillSeptember 15, 2013 - 6:21 pm

    "Heller brings Placerville leadership and expertise with special operations units involved with narcotics, gangs, homicides and shootings" .....a fit for Placerville? Hmmmm. Seems a bit "overqualified"

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  • Sleepless in PlacervilleSeptember 15, 2013 - 6:33 pm

    F.P., too funny. I agree that if Heller wants to improve our city, how about tackling the noise problem from all the ear bleeding Harleys that make living here a friggin nightmare? Oh thats right they all ride them too.

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  • LpSeptember 15, 2013 - 9:25 pm

    Go Chief Heller! Please tackle this homeless problem! Welcome to Placerville....Good luck!

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  • LpSeptember 15, 2013 - 10:53 pm

    One more thing, "Sleepless in Placerville." Chief Heller is perfectly qualified for what's coming. The last chief left this place in a mess. The crime, and rats (freeloading meth monkeys) running around this town, are spreading like a fast growing cancer. Something has to be done, and done quick before this town turns into a complete ghetto! So, give him a chance! He's what we need....A man with some experience with this kind of crap!

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  • LpSeptember 15, 2013 - 10:59 pm

    Sorry, that comment was meant to go out to "Overkill." Sorry Sleepless in Placerville... I agree with the over revving up of Harley riders that hurts everybody's ears!! That's a law I would vote for! Put a muffler on it!!

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  • Tail Wags DogSeptember 16, 2013 - 6:20 am

    Welcome chief Heller. Your work is cut out for you. As stated above the previous chief left this town a mess. He retired abruptly after You Tube video's began to surface about PPD and his staff, chief included. I suggest you view them before you build any trust bonds with staff. First one on your radar should be the LT. The issues are there, you'll need to find them on your own. You've chose a great community to work in, and most people I know are excited your here, best of luck to you and your family settling in.

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  • EvelynSeptember 16, 2013 - 6:38 am

    TWD's above comment prompted a video search. This found.

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  • EvelynSeptember 16, 2013 - 6:46 am

    This is how the Mt. Dem. reported the shooting of Linda Clark.

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  • In El-DoradoSeptember 16, 2013 - 7:33 am

    Evelyn, the you-tube video you posted may be closer to the truth about what happened to Linda Clark....The only person who was a witness to the shooting of Linda Clark, (not on the Placerville PD payroll), was a man who was watching from his front porch just a few yards away...He had a bird's eye view as the shooting unfolded and he gave the Sac Bee a completely opposite version.of the story....He described the van stuck in a ditch on the side of his driveway not able to move...He said she was first tasered then shot by another officer from the side of vehicle, not the front as the officer stated to defend himself from being run over....Photos released days later in the Mountain Demo of bullet holes in the passenger side of the front window seem to confirm this...

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  • Chuck HollandSeptember 16, 2013 - 7:48 am

    Chief Heller will be a welcome addition to the Placerville Police Dept. As with any governmental agency it takes a while to sort things out when you come in fresh from the out side. Problems have a way of surfacing, as well as positive aspects have a way of being noticed also. Placerville is lucky to gain Chief Heller and all the experience he brings.

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  • EvelynSeptember 16, 2013 - 7:59 am

    In El-Dorado: The official story never made sense. Further, why was there a "reenactment" instead of a proper investigation?

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  • Fran DuchampSeptember 16, 2013 - 10:04 am

    Welcome to Chief Heller...sorry about the remarks about motorcycles....that is also one of the new "hates" in El Dorado. Although many are tourists with money (lawyers--doctors--police people)to spend at our stores-- people are trying to ban them as well. Right next to little kids selling lemonade aide on the streets. Yet once again the "banning" people are not original--google "motorbikes should be banned"...I have high hopes that someone in this county will come up with something original to ban. If there were a true group that uses the Lincoln Hwy (hwy 50) or some of the cross county roads--it would be motorbikes Preserving America.

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  • R.J. CarterSeptember 16, 2013 - 10:50 am

    Those people that live along Highway 50 and ***** about motorcycle noise are the same brand of morons that move next to an airport and complain about airplanes, or buy a house next to a golf course and ***** about golf balls in their yard...

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  • R.J. CarterSeptember 16, 2013 - 10:55 am

    Those people that live next to Highway 50 and complain about motorcycles are the same brand of morons that will move next to an airport and complain about airplanes, or buy a house next to a golf course and complain about golf balls....

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  • James E.September 16, 2013 - 11:32 am

    R.J., I've seen many a motorcycle driving up and down Main Street. Have never heard even one riving up for maximum motor sound. Also, I live very near Hwy 50 and motorcycle sound has never reached me. Wonder if those who complain might have other motivations?

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  • R.J. CarterSeptember 16, 2013 - 11:47 am

    James...Yes, probably so..I live on a hill above Motherlode Dr. (old Highway 50) and the sound of Milwaukee Iron has always been sweet music to my ears.....

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  • R.J. CarterSeptember 16, 2013 - 12:12 pm

    On another note...As officers were still counting bodies and looking for two more men involved, DC Congresswoman Eleanor Holmes Norton was the first Liberal step up to the microphones and make sure this horrible event gets used for her personal political fodder...Already denying that today's mass killings were in any way an act of terror, she cited the reason for the attack on our Navel Base as being too many guns on our streets...Huh??...

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  • Richard GuentherSeptember 16, 2013 - 2:36 pm

    Happy having the new Chief; however, I do emphasis there's an acute housing crisis in the USA and so also in the Placerville area. The lack of affordable housing exacerbates problems here and elsewhere. Actually, I trust Mr Heller is likely well aware of the untoward condition.

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  • sleepless in PvilleSeptember 16, 2013 - 7:00 pm

    RJ, My family built this home in 1888, a little before the highway went in. We have spent quite a bit to keep it historically correct, when we probably should have torn it down years ago, or just let it rot. But we wanted to keep it going as a tribute to Placerville. So you see Fran, we are the true preservationists. But RJ,I see your point, a bikers right to make loud noises coming out of his arse should superscede my right for quiet enjoyment of our family home. How nice.

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  • R.J. CarterSeptember 16, 2013 - 8:01 pm

    Sleepless in Pville......Since your family moved there in 1888 that means Highway 50 moved next to you, not the other way around....So, In that case, I suppose you have a right to complain if you don't like the noise....

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  • Phil VeerkampSeptember 16, 2013 - 8:10 pm

    R. J. , sleepless seems to forget. Fifty years ago Placerville was polluted with the noise of freight trains. Placerville Fruit growers used to be the world's largest fruit packing shed. They used to ship two trainloads a day to Sacramento. Train whistles screaming coming and going. There was also that obnoxious lumber mill whistle blasting on and off. Plus teenagers cars had magnificent tailpipes. Sleepless forgets.

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  • Phil VeerkampSeptember 16, 2013 - 8:17 pm

    . . . better make that 60 years ago. In 1958 pear decline was the game changer.

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  • James E.September 16, 2013 - 8:27 pm

    I love the sound of trains in the middle of the night. Sadly, not many are left. Also, when a young pup in Sacramento, we could hears the races at Hughes Stadium. We all somehow survived.

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  • Fran DuchampSeptember 16, 2013 - 8:28 pm

    Well sleepless in Pville...I totally respect your family--way to go protecting your home.. However, Phil has a point--trains are really noisy...lumber mill whistles--I can hear that--nice. We are talking about Preserving America. The motorcycles still keep crossing back and forth over the USA--they keep the Lincoln Hwy alive more than most, as well as the backroads. They spend money all over--they promote the economy. 3-5 motorcycles can fit in one car spot--they are good on gas--this is save the earth kind of stuff. I personally dont ride one--but I know many really nice people that do--and should be allowed the choice of vehicle to use. Trains and whistles--nice visual Phil. http://www.ridetowork.org/files/docs/Trans_Facts.html.

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  • John FremontSeptember 16, 2013 - 9:09 pm

    Wasn't there also a Sergeant who suddenly retired? That one with the slobering mutt?

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  • Phil VeerkampSeptember 16, 2013 - 11:14 pm

    James, I love the sound of ART BELL ~~~ He's back ~~~ ufo's - area 51 - ghosts - esp - HE'S BACK - ART BELL IS BACK!!! - CONTRAILS - illuminati - late night is right - again

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  • LpSeptember 16, 2013 - 11:17 pm

    There is no hate for bikes Fran! Where is the noise ordinance? I know I've lost hearing due to loud pipes in town due to little man Harley riders who rev up their bikes just to make noise with no reguard to little children, the elderly, or just the average person walking in town. They have no manners.. That's why we make rules for such bull....

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  • Sleepless in PvilleSeptember 17, 2013 - 3:20 am

    Fran, the fact that these riders spend money on the Lincoln highway does not a preservationist make. Nor does it give them a right to wake up hard working, law abiding people who just want to get some sleep. I don't go to their neighborhoods and bother them and I expect the same respect. And Phill, two trainloads is not equivalant to hundreds of after market exhausts. One is for commerce the other is the look at me aholes. Even the CEO of AMA has told them to pipe down. Caltrans has ran a decible test, and guess what? Way over legal limits. And no, I dont want to ban lemonade stands nor do I have other motives. I just want them to pipe down!

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  • SleeplessSeptember 17, 2013 - 3:42 am

    Furthermore, my brother a CHP in a dif county rides, yes a Harley but it is quiet, because he has common consideration. He has soon to be deaf friends who ride without exhaust or after market crap (which AMA has quit selling), but he wont ride with them because he knows what it does to neighborhoods and his hearing, it was a CHOICE for these people to make their bikes loud. And if you are not affected by these ah*les, good for you, but you have no dog in this fight, so your opinion is moot.

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  • cookie65September 17, 2013 - 7:18 am

    Evelyn, an interesting example of the unimpeded corruption in DC. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/17/exography-no-public-tours-but-344-visits-by-lobbyists-to-white-house/?intcmp=latestnews

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  • Fran DuchampSeptember 17, 2013 - 7:20 am

    Where is the noise ordinance? Where is the sign ordinance? wow--you guys...be careful--like many other places--you are giving away your rights by making it a "banning" law. I also have friends who are officers...lawyers...doctors...construction...fire...who ride Harleys for really good causes--and they spend tons of money going on cross county rides...a few went to washington just recently--so I guess im back in the game. It is called supporting a persons rights.

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  • Fran DuchampSeptember 17, 2013 - 7:32 am

    Many years ago there were more Bike rides through Pollock--hundreds would come through and fill up at Crystal view...I would chat with them. I asked one time why they didnt stop over night in our town any more--the reply was they were treated so badly...they would spend their money else where. Toys for tots runners--going to gather in Sac. Yet another part of history gone. One bike alone--$50,000 dollars...he was a doctor. But everyone keep up with those ordinances. someday it will be so quiet...and the world around you....well we will have to wait and see. I hope in "helping" you guys dont void the world of color...of possibilities.

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  • agent provocateurSeptember 17, 2013 - 8:05 am

    Welcome to hangtown, now go arrest Vern Pierson for his corruption. You'll see.

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  • EvelynSeptember 17, 2013 - 8:06 am

    Cookie: Building on your topic - THIS: "Lobbyists Are Ruining America". Politicians rely on these special interest groups for campaign funding, and therefore act on their behalf. . . . For example, the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) represents the private prison lobby, which campaigns to criminalize harmless activities so more Americans are sent to prison. . . . Large banks have lobbied for bailouts and pushed for the expansion of the Federal Reserve’s powers. The Fed is a body that institutionalizes the transfer of wealth from the middle class to the wealthiest one percent of Americans. Big corporations lobby to keep compliance costs and regulation high to force out smaller competitors. Oil lobbyists bribe politicians for subsidies and special contracts while reaping billions in profits. Ethanol lobbyists get Congress to subsidize an inefficient business which reduces the food supply. Big farming corporations lobby for laws that inhibit the ability of small farmers to sell their produce and milk directly to consumers. (And so it goes. Does it matter if we vote Dem or Repub?)

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  • James E.September 17, 2013 - 8:35 am

    Motorcycles versus people who want to sleep. Well, motorcycles are not going to be banned so how to sleep? EARPLUGS. OK, what's the next problem that needs to be solved?

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  • cookie65September 17, 2013 - 9:00 am

    Evelyn, it makes virtually no difference what initial r/d comes after the name. Politics has become a "for profit" business completely unrestricted by Constitutional boundaries or limitations. Our government has evolved into a massive redistribution of wealth scheme. There is no recession in DC. Statism is the result of people selling their freedom of a handout. obama has another stellar accomplishment to add to his resume, 1,000 plus days with gas prices exceeding $3/gal. It is another first in American history. What happens if/when the dumbdown masses ever figure out it is the government who stole our money?

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  • R.J. CarterSeptember 17, 2013 - 9:15 am

    Phil and James....Wow, listening to Art Bell in the middle of the night with train whistles off in the distance sure brings back a lot of really good memories

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  • Phil VeerkampSeptember 17, 2013 - 9:24 am

    R.J., Art Bell is back, Art Bell is back, Art Bell is back, Art Bell is back . . . last night was his first new broadcast from Pahrump Nevada . . . down by area 51 . . . Art Bell is back, Art Bell is back, Art Bell is back, . . . SeriusXM 104 . . . Art Bell is back!!! late night is right - finally!

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  • R.J. CarterSeptember 17, 2013 - 9:29 am

    Phil....Not rain on your parade or anything, but are you sure it's not Art Bells son who does his show now.??...I thought I heard it was his son...If it is Art Bell Sr. that's GREAT!!....

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  • Fran DuchampSeptember 17, 2013 - 9:40 am

    James...Pitch...how to remove it...both my cat and huge white dog are covered in in. I have cut so many tuffs of sap filled hair now--Im embarrassed for the cat...my dog is part huskey...and huskies really groom themselves--much like a cat. She was glaring at me last night--like it was my fault. I have tried mayo--peanut butter (my dog hates peanut butter) that goo stuff. I think the dog hid the scissors. Omg...I need beanie weenies and tortillas--my new comfort food .Poor babies. Ive given up on the car.

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  • cookie65September 17, 2013 - 9:41 am

    I love Art Bell, he takes me back to the old mystery theatre radio shows. Sitting in the dark listening to him is great fun.

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  • cookie65September 17, 2013 - 9:51 am

    Fran, bacon grease removes pitch. Use dawn and warm water to wash out the bacon grease once the pitch is removed. I thought your family was loggers? Every logging family knows how to remove pitch.

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  • Fran DuchampSeptember 17, 2013 - 9:55 am

    Thanks Cookie....my family are--but im the city kid...and my grandparents both passed away before they could teach me everything. My grandfathers pet name for me was "stupid city kid"....lolol...I adored them.

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  • Phil VeerkampSeptember 17, 2013 - 10:01 am

    R.J. IT IS ART BELL - LAST NIGHT!!! I listened to his first kick-off show last night with Michio Kaku. - the night is right - again!

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  • Fran DuchampSeptember 17, 2013 - 10:03 am

    Most of the family back east now farm. They were loggers and coal miners...as well as farmers. All my skills come from Los Angeles...it is why I can see what is happening in this county...although I have been here 20+ years...I am still very much a city kid. Many people helped teach me to live in the country--I have had black eyes from learning to calm my temper while cutting wood...burning branches...shoveling snow. My family is still in Minnesota...they laugh at the snow here. I do not find it funny...but then im learning it doesnt really snow in Pollock--not like Tahoe...and Im thankful that it doesnt. I had never seen snow fall before I moved here...we would visit in the summers only. I love bacon--now I have a reason to go buy some...thanks again!!!!

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  • Phil VeerkampSeptember 17, 2013 - 10:03 am

    . . . feeling lucky . . . Redhawk test . . .

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  • R.J. CarterSeptember 17, 2013 - 10:05 am

    Sleepless.....At first I thought you might have a legitimate gripe, but after all your needless name calling (while hiding behind a phony name), I can tell your just somebody who doesn't like bikers....Well, that's just too bad because James is right, bikers like myself aren't going anywhere and your only option besides whining is earplugs....P.S....I have three Harleys....A custom stretched bagger, a pumped-up Softail and a beautiful 1946 Flathead, all are tad loud, the only question is which one I drive through P'ville today...

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  • John FremontSeptember 17, 2013 - 11:23 am

    I get it that these bikers like their freedom, but they are quite irritating and down right rude! Most people HATE the noise and with good reason. The noise does NOTHING for the non biker but irritate. You bikers must love just throwing your middle finger up and could care less what noise pollution you create. You turn quiet mountains into roaring annoyances! I hope in the long run you end up deaf from the stupid noise.

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  • Dee#1September 17, 2013 - 10:05 am

    Here is part os the Vehicle Code on noise limits for Motorcycles.----- 23130. (a) No person shall operate either a motor vehicle or combination of vehicles of a type subject to registration at any time or under any condition of grade, load, acceleration, or deceleration in such a manner as to exceed the following noise limit for the category of motor vehicle within the speed limits specified in this section: Speed limit Speed limit of 35 mph of more than or less 35 mph (1) Any motor vehicle with a manufacturer's gross vehicle weight rating of more than 10,000 pounds and any combination of vehicles towed by such motor vehicle ........... 86 dbA 90 dbA Speed limit Speed limit of 45 mph of more than or less 45 mph (2) Any motorcycle other than a motor-driven cycle .............. 82 dbA 86 dbA (3) Any other motor vehicle and any combination of vehicles towed by such motor vehicle ..... 76 dbA 82 dbA (b) The noise limits established by this section shall be based on a distance of 50 feet from the center of the lane of travel within the speed limit specified in this section. The Department of the California Highway Patrol may provide for measuring at distances other than 50 feet from the center of the lane of travel. In such a case, the measurement shall be corrected so as to provide for measurements equivalent to the noise limit established by this section measured at 50 feet. (c) The department shall adopt regulations establishing the test procedures and instrumentation to be utilized. These procedures shall allow, to the extent feasible, noise measurement and enforcement action to be accomplished in reasonably confined areas such as residential areas of urban cities. (d) This section applies to the total noise from a vehicle or combination of vehicles and shall not be construed as limiting or precluding the enforcement of any other provisions of this code relating to motor vehicle exhaust noise. (e) For the purpose of this section, a motortruck, truck tractor, or bus that is not equipped with an identification plate or marking bearing the manufacturer's name and manufacturer's gross vehicle weight rating shall be considered as having a manufacturer's gross vehicle weight rating of more than 10,000 pounds if the unladen weight is more than 5,000 pounds. (f) No person shall have a cause of action relating to the provisions of this section against a manufacturer of a vehicle or a component part thereof on a theory based upon breach of express or implied warranty unless it is alleged and proved that such manufacturer did not comply with noise limit standards of the Vehicle Code applicable to manufacturers and in effect at the time such vehicle or component part was first sold for purposes other than resale.

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  • Fran DuchampSeptember 17, 2013 - 10:08 am

    Now what I would like to know is why didnt anyone tell me about bacon grease before?...I was told mayo or peanut butter...are the main loggers all gone? Wow now thats sad. Its not like im a quiet person--I have asked many for their opinions. Well now im on a mission--how many loggers are left in Pollock...

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  • Fran DuchampSeptember 17, 2013 - 10:12 am

    That was interesting Dee#1..."establishing the test procedures and instrumentation to be utilized. These procedures shall allow, to the extent feasible, noise measurement and enforcement action to be accomplished in reasonably confined areas such as residential areas of urban cities." is there some other law for rural areas? off to buy bacon. Everyone have fun...play nice.

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  • James E.September 17, 2013 - 10:16 am

    Oscar's bacon is the best. Plus, let me talk about my hearing. When I joined the Army my hearing was perfect. Then, after 31 years of tank main guns, artillery, and helicopters my high freq hearing is gone. I have great trouble understanding women with their high freq voices. When a woman leaves a message on my recorder, I cannot understand it. I have to get my wife to listen to it for translation. Where did I go wrong? I didn't wear my EARPLUGS (which are also good for sleeping if a motorcycle drives by).

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  • R.J. CarterSeptember 17, 2013 - 10:28 am

    Dee...Decibel meter tickets most always seem to fail in court, so It's all a mute point.....Plus, decibel meters must be pointed at the motorcycle as it goes by and I've never heard of a CHP officer ever taking their decibel meter out of the trunk of their cruiser...Their more concerned with using radar......

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  • Dee#1September 17, 2013 - 10:42 am

    R.J., CHP and local law enforcement will, and have used, the meters when directed by their local citizens of the problems. Usually a couple of citations and the problem stops. This also goes for excessive stereo use. All it takes is community involvement and determination. Elected officials become very tired of constantly hearing the same complaints and they expect their agencies to solve the problem.

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  • EDC bikerSeptember 17, 2013 - 12:07 pm

    Hey Johnny F....Yup, your right, us bikers do love love both our freedom and throwing up our middle fingers.. Matter of fact, I got a couple up at you right now..

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  • John FremontSeptember 17, 2013 - 12:12 pm

    That's the best you can come back with? I gave you more credit than that, but now I see. Whatever dude, Watch out for "Deadmans Curves" I'll give you my finger as I drive past your remains. LOL

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  • Oh BrotherSeptember 17, 2013 - 12:17 pm

    So bikers-how do you feel about the boom stereos the cops stop our kids for playing loud music and ticket them? They got the same rights to listen to the music they like. Bike pipes are way noisy and then they now have their stereos blasting also??

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  • James E.September 17, 2013 - 1:06 pm

    Phil has run off to Redhawk to win his forture. But, Phil, when you get back -- there is an article in the current issue of Time about Art Bell -- about a two pager I think.

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  • Kirk MacKenzieSeptember 17, 2013 - 1:07 pm

    I see no difference between loud motorcycles and loud rap music...

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  • R.J. CarterSeptember 17, 2013 - 1:08 pm

    Oh Brother....Just off hand, a few things that bug the hell out of me are mass shootings in "gun free zones" Traffic Lights at 4 a.m. Tampon Commercials, fat people in spandex, cell-phones going off in movie theaters, low-carb beer, Oprah, and last but not least, the half naked vagrant guy who is always standing outside the McDonald's on Broadway wearing headphones......Boom boxes and bike pipes not so much.....

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  • EvelynSeptember 17, 2013 - 1:16 pm

    Kirk: Rap v. Loud Motorcycles? I prefer motorcycles! ********** Art Bell: Can I confess to never having heard of him and remain on the forum? Nevertheless, here's the article James references. (I'll read it later today.)

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  • James E.September 17, 2013 - 1:25 pm

    Evelyn, I wouldn't have known about Art Bell except in past years I would make frequent trips back from Concord in late night and came to know him on the radio. He is a bit weird.

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  • Oh BrotherSeptember 17, 2013 - 1:39 pm

    Now now R.J. that guy is harmless...he will put his shirt back on when it gets cold :) I like rap music at my 62 years of age to a certain degree, have always loved bikes and rode a few harleys and sporsters in my younger day in the bay area..have to say those overly loud pipes are killer to the ears and we didn't use those in those days...I have dual exhaust on my truck and love the noise (reminds me of the old glasspacks that I loved and had on my chrysler newport). But I was at a bar in Old Sac and when you get 20 or so bikes with the exceedling loud pipes it about blows your eardrums out. Just as long as the cops ticket fairly and not just pick on the boom stereos in our vehicles as long as we keep em down in residential areas.

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  • Oh BrotherSeptember 17, 2013 - 1:46 pm

    I love it when I get pulled over with my tinted windows, my music up loud and the hatchet man decal on my window and the cop sees me and how old I am...cracks me up...old habits from "the day" and getting reactions are too much fun; especially in this county.

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  • Phil VeerkampSeptember 17, 2013 - 7:34 pm

    R.J. - LINK - Art Bell - Dark Matter

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  • Fran DuchampSeptember 17, 2013 - 7:42 pm

    Phil...wow your "haters" are meaner than mine today. Shame on "shame on you"...we never bring in family. Never ever.

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  • R.J. CarterSeptember 17, 2013 - 7:42 pm

    Phil...I really dig Art Bell...Like Cookie say's, it's fun to listen to his show on a dark and stormy night...

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  • Phil VeerkampSeptember 17, 2013 - 7:55 pm

    vintage! Tonight is Steven Greer. Steven Greer briefed Clinton's CIA director on UFO's - come on dark and stormy nights - life is good!!!

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