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Developer seeks recycled water exemption

From page A1 | February 17, 2014 | 63 Comments

The developer of Carson Creek off of Latrobe Road in El Dorado Hills is seeking an exemption from the El Dorado Irrigation District’s requirement that recycled water be used “wherever economically and physically feasible.”

Lennar Homes representative Bob Shattuck said the requirement that his 1,240-lot subdivision pay for a $13 million recycled water storage tank and other recycled water infrastructure would make the project economically infeasible. He estimated the cost of recycled water at $30,000 per house for his project. “That’s very expensive for the first drop (of water) and we don’t think we’re going to take a lot of drops,” he said.

Carson Creek is planned as an “active adult community,” with single-story houses having “a very large footprint.”

He said the development would be water efficient and have “little landscaping.” The minimal landscaping would be a sales feature.

“I’m concerned we never know what’s going to happen down the road with the state and the feds” regarding mandates, said Director George Osborne, who suggested Lennar homes put in the purple pipes for future recycled water, but not the expense of adding in recycled water meters and the recycled water tank. “I don’t think to put that requirement in would not be infeasible.”

Shattuck said that Lennar Homes had a “long history of recycled water.”

At 12-15 units per acre, “There is not a lot of space for turf,” Shattuck said. “It’s still a shaky world out there. We’re fighting for feasibility.”

“Show us how we can save 500 acre-feet (of water). That would be a powerful argument for me,” said Director Dale Coco.

EID currently supplements recycled water with an average of 530 acre-feet of potable water, according to Elizabeth Wells, engineering manager for wastewater and recycled water.

Board President Alan Day asked how “economically feasible” is defined in the board’s recycled water policy.

“It is not defined in policy,” said General Counsel Tom Cumpston. “It’s your policy. You have discretion to decide.”

“One of our goals is to extend our water supply. Have you considered having no lawns?” Day asked of Shattuck.

“Our plans have a small amount of turf — a pee patch (for dogs),” Shattuck said.

Day said he was worried that, though a homeowners association would control the front yard, a homeowner might put in a lot of water-hungry turf in the backyard.

“That’s what I meant — we’re at the stage where we can write the rules,” Shattuck said.

“I would need to see more updated figures on (water) usage,” Director Greg Prada said.

“Any consideration to use artificial turf?” asked Osborne.

“Certainly — private parks, clubhouse facilities. We’ll look at all of that. Recycled water is a limited resource right now,” Shattuck said.

In answer to Prada, Shattuck said the time horizon for the project is about five years. “We expect to do well if we can contain costs,” he said.

“What I’ve taken is, let’s see how much water they can save. I think I’ve got enough to package something for the board,” said General Manager Jim Abercrombie. Though he warned that merely putting in purple pipes would leave the issue of the tank. “Who pays for that? I get concerned about deferring capital expenditures. We don’t want our assets deferred out so future ratepayers have to pay for it.”

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Discussion | 63 comments

  • Fran DuchampFebruary 14, 2014 - 10:34 pm

    Phil...what do you think?

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 14, 2014 - 11:18 pm

    There is already a deficit of recycled water. There is already a deficit of water transmission capability. EID needs FCCs to build the infrastructure for the third line. If reclaimed costs are added to the developer and passed on to the purchaser at an astronomical price . . . . nothing happens.

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  • ObservationFebruary 15, 2014 - 8:24 am

    Seems like the state and the feds would want to expand recycled water use and would provide incentives to expand the storage and infrastructure. Parallel delivery systems are not cheap and there is probably some unrealistic standard for the non-potable water. $30K per home works out to be +/- $3.6M for the development. Base on the home description and the density, the lot sizes will be +/-3000 sf which does show the lack of need for landscape water. The answer is to plant a live oak and two manzanita bushes in the front yard and call yourself rural.

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  • Robert D NollFebruary 15, 2014 - 10:26 am

    developers are not going away,gridlocked roads and the danger that puts us in is no concern of theirs

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  • Dee#1February 15, 2014 - 10:34 am

    It is nice to see out of the box thinking in CA. ---------Here's Where Obama Can Stick His $1 Billion by JOEL B. POLLAK Feb 14, 2014 1:59 PM PT No, not there. Rather, a better use for the $1 billion that President Barack Obama pledged today to a "climate resilience fund" would be to invest in a desalination plant that could help alleviate some of California's periodic water shortages. An Israeli company is building one right now near San Diego that just happens to cost about $1 billion and will provide 50 million gallons of potable water when completed. That would certainly be of more direct use to California farmers than promises of relief for the projected results of "climate change." (Do those farmers elsewhere who grow more crops as a result of warmer temperatures have to pay a redistributive tax?) --------

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  • James E.February 15, 2014 - 10:38 am

    I like the idea of desalination plants all along the coast of California and second Dee's idea. However, Phil indicates that it would produce a mountain of salt.

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  • Dee#1February 15, 2014 - 10:56 am

    Ah we will just use the salt to preserve all our food stuffs and eliminate refrigerators and freezers.(joke).--------Desalination, with its relatively high energy consumption and its environmental impact, wasn’t the first step that Israel took on its way to increasing supply. It shouldn’t be California’s either, says Katalyn Voss, a water policy fellow at the University of California’s Center for Hydrologic Modeling, based in Irvine.-------- In reverse-osmosis desalination, the most popular method, seawater is pre-treated before being sent through a series of filtration membranes that remove salt and other impurities. About half of the seawater becomes drinking water. The rest is returned to the ocean with higher concentrations of salt and other minerals. IDE says the brine will blend with ocean water to an untraceable level within 150 feet from the discharge point.-----who knew we already had three plants operating in CA?------

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  • James E.February 15, 2014 - 11:29 am

    Dee, I tend to agree with you and the reference you provide. However, Phil, our resident water expert, is adament in that the amount of salt cannot be dealt with -- Phil, you're on. Educate us.

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  • Dee#1February 15, 2014 - 11:50 am

    James, naysayers have their purpose. Perhaps if Obama had listen to the naysayers many of the errors and problems they caused could have avoided. Oh, you are always saying that you are the most famous person in El Dorado County. The fans of Eileen Javora Boeger might disagree.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 15, 2014 - 2:49 pm

    James, tell DEE that desalination is more expensive than dam building and tell her to tell EID to build Alder Dam and tell Dee to tell EID to get SMUD water from White Rock penstock ~~~ LINK - Restarting Desalination Plant Would Cost $20 Million - Santa Barbara Plant in Mothballs, Not Considered for Use in Current Drought

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  • rodFebruary 17, 2014 - 9:53 am

    Dee, you have posted some GREAT NEWS. “Necessity IS the mother of invention”, always has been and naysayers typically come attached. Can you imagine the Wright Bros sitting around looking at their bicycle scratching their heads with “Na… it’s not possible to make this thing fly”? I wrote the following several weeks ago but I think it’s still relevant. “Just suppose the 100 billion dollar Tunnels investment was instead used to develop new desalination technology for the great bulk of California’s population… all living near the coast. With Silicon Valley’s technical acumen, 100 billion dollars, and the world’s largest reservoir, doesn’t it seem plausible water could be drawn from a new inexhaustible supply instead of wrestling over the last drop in the Delta? Distilling seawater with solar heat is not rocket science, but it could be. Perhaps the next single greatest accomplishment for the early 21st century, like the airplane and the model-T was for the 20th, will be a new technology. A blend of high-tech solar arrays, reflector based liquid-sodium steam generators, and thin-layer vapor recovery systems to economically convert seawater into vast new sources of freshwater made available by California ingenuity. A world changing benefit, not only reducing the potential for wars, but actually enhancing environmental requirements for the Delta while at the same time creating a tremendous new economic recovery for California. World peace may be a stretch, but where there’s freshwater there’s prosperity, and prosperity leads to peace. Imagine what an Israeli / Palestinian and California (IPAC) ‘Waterworld’ could accomplish. But it will take real leadership. You would think with such a progressive forward looking California state legislature and governor having made it legal for ill-defined transsexuals to use any public restroom they wish, including public school restrooms and showers, could focus on something more significant for all the people of California… and the Delta.” The Israelis HAVE made a “pearl in the desert” for themselves (and the Palestinians ). I knew someday we might ‘wakeup’ and focus like they have.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 17, 2014 - 5:01 pm

    LINK - Water supply project costs could halt plans for desalination, water recycling plants

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 17, 2014 - 5:11 pm

    LINK - Desalination no panacea for California water woes

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 17, 2014 - 5:36 pm


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  • James E.February 15, 2014 - 12:02 pm

    Dee, I need more information on naysayers??? Who, what, when, where, and why. Not sure of your point. And, who is Eileen Javora Boeger?

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  • James E.February 15, 2014 - 12:05 pm

    Oh, the weather lady that married into the wine family. Well, sure, if she wants to be the most famous that's fine with me. I'll take the number 2 spot.

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  • R.J. CarterFebruary 15, 2014 - 12:22 pm

    Dee#1...I Googled .Eileen Javora Boeger and got 4 pages of pictures and info......Very interesting!!!......I had no idea Eileen Javora lived in El Dorado county or that her last name is Boeger or that she owns Boeger Winery....Very cool........P.S.....I also Googled James E. Longhofer, just got crickets....Heck, I even Googled myself, R.J. Cowboy Carter and came up with a page and a half.....James looks like your now in a distant 3rd....Sorry buddy.....

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  • James E.February 15, 2014 - 12:42 pm

    R.J., so I'm down to number 3. How quickly fame evaporates.

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  • James E.February 15, 2014 - 1:21 pm

    But, on reflection why is she the most famous? A weather lady who was wise enough to marry into a wine family, and thereby never having to buy a bottle of wine ever again. Is the weather lady in Yuma, AZ also famous by telling us, sunny through next Wednesday, vis 10 miles, and winds calm. Dee, explain why Eileen is most famous?

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  • R.J. CarterFebruary 15, 2014 - 1:46 pm

    James.....Your trying to equate fame to one's accomplishments, when in reality most peoples fame is either accidental or purely manufactured.......And, either way fame is always fleeting and in many cases, the people who have achieved the greatest accomplishments will never be known outside their own home.......

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  • James E.February 15, 2014 - 2:25 pm

    R.J., who is more famous? Eileen or Justin Bieber. And, I wasn't equating fame with accomplishments. Per Dee's comment, just trying to find out why Eileen is the most famous person in EDC? What is her claim to fame beyond cold fronts/warm fronts/high pressure areas/low pressure areas, current temp/when is rain expected again, and no need to buy wine again.

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  • James E.February 15, 2014 - 2:30 pm

    Which comes to who is a hero? We all know what a hero is -- one who risks their life to save another. Yet, the word hero is thrown around willy-nilly. A recent comment on the site said a local Assistant DA is a hero? Really? Sorry, he's just a willy-nilly hero and even that is a stretch.

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  • Dee#1February 15, 2014 - 2:37 pm

    James-fa·mous [fey-muhs] Show IPA adjective 1. having a widespread reputation, usually of a favorable nature; renowned; celebrated: a famous writer. Synonyms: famed, notable, illustrious. Antonyms: unknown, obscure.-------Eileen is known by thousands from her television. You, however, are known only to those who follow Leftist talking points on the MD. Your notoriety as long passed into history.

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  • James E.February 15, 2014 - 2:47 pm

    Oh Dee, so true -- I'm retired.

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  • James E.February 15, 2014 - 2:50 pm

    But, I still don't think she is famous beyond weather reports and local wine lovers. Do I take your interest to mean you are acquainted with her and the winery? Not a fellow Tea Party member I hope.

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  • R.J. CarterFebruary 15, 2014 - 2:57 pm

    I know there had to be a lot of folks from El Dorado County that became "World Famous" over time ....Only a few come to mind, like Thomas Kincaid and a few others, but all are passed away now......Oh well, we still have Barber Jon's "World Famous" Barber Shop......

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  • James E.February 15, 2014 - 2:57 pm

    Dee, our comments today on 'famous' has been of value to me, because whenever I see Eileen on TV in the future I'm going to stand out of respect for her fame in EDC. But, really Dee, aren't we talking about willy-nilly famous?

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  • James E.February 15, 2014 - 3:01 pm

    Phil, I believe the question was concerning the amount of salt that would result.

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  • James E.February 15, 2014 - 3:03 pm

    For the record I'm sure Eileen is a nice lady and the winery is a nice winery. But, famous?

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  • James E.February 15, 2014 - 3:15 pm

    R.J., is that the barber shop on Main Street?

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  • James E.February 15, 2014 - 3:19 pm

    Mr. Fred thinks I'm famous, but I keep telling him, "No Mr. Fred, you're the one who is famous."

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  • R.J. CarterFebruary 15, 2014 - 3:23 pm

    James.....Barber Jon's World Famous Barber Shop is down by the Purple Place Resturant/Bar on Green Valley Rd.......

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  • James E.February 15, 2014 - 3:24 pm

    See when you are no longer famous and retired you talk to your dogs and they talk back to you. It's just wonderful.

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  • James E.February 15, 2014 - 3:25 pm

    R.J., yes, I know that area -- thanks.

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  • Dee#1February 15, 2014 - 6:23 pm

    Phil, calm down. I agree with you, however all options should be explored. The Israel guys have invested one billion on the plant in San Diego. Having read your comments it never dawned on me that someone would be able to build one, let alone that we already having three. I am just as surprised by that as when I found CA has coal plants that were being closed by the EPA. It will be interesting to see how it shakes out. It might lead to new innovations that will lower the costs. It might be dismantled in three years.

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  • Fran DuchampFebruary 15, 2014 - 6:24 pm

    James--I dont watch TV--so you are more popular to me thanthe other person is...I honestly didnt know who she was. I know your posts :)

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  • Fran DuchampFebruary 15, 2014 - 7:05 pm Go Lady Gaga

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  • cookie65February 17, 2014 - 6:55 am

    I don't agree that the amount of salt created by desalinization can't be dealt with. Haul it to the sand flats in Nevada and Utah that have been harvested for years. Or even haul it by barge out in the ocean and dump it unless the left determines sea salt is hazardous to the oceans. Probably need an environmental impact report on putting sea salt in the ocean.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 17, 2014 - 8:13 am

    Cookie, envision a desalination program yielding 20% of California's consumption. That volume is presently in the neighborhood of 8.5 MAF (million acre feet). Given that sea water is around 3.5% by weight NaCl one runs the numbers to discover around 2.2 pounds NaCl per cubic foot of sea water. There being 43,560 cubic feet per acre foot of water and 8,500,000 acre feet of fresh water (20%) per year envisioned by Nicholas we find a NaCl production of 814,572,000,000 (814 billion) pounds per year or 2,231,000,000 (2.2 billion) pounds per day or 92,987,671 (93 million) pounds of NaCl per hour or 1,549,794 (1.5 million) pounds per minute or 25,829 pounds of NaCl per second being returned to the ocean. I think that the EPA will be "interested". Cookie, I doubt that Utah will be willing to accept 12 1/2 tones of salt per second

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  • rodFebruary 17, 2014 - 10:06 am

    James, envision 72% of the Earth's surface is ocean and multiply that times the average ocean depth of 13,000 feet. Now add in the new fresh water component from melting glaciers ... AND REALISE we must desalinate ocean water to keep a salinity balance... for the children.

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  • rodFebruary 17, 2014 - 11:35 am

    I meant PHIL, musta been a Freud thing.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 17, 2014 - 5:04 pm

    LINK - Desalination plants a pricey option if drought persists

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  • Oh BrotherFebruary 17, 2014 - 7:41 am

    Phil how can we get SMUD to give up their water rights?

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 17, 2014 - 8:01 am

    <Oh Brother, ~~~ LINK - EID report points to White Rock tap ~~~ "Tapping into the White Rock Penstock, where the Sacramento Municipal Utility District has reserved a connection for El Dorado County since a 1961 agreement, is viewed as the next major water source for the El Dorado Irrigation District. ~~~ Water available from White Rock is 30,000 acre-feet, 40,000 acre-feet after 2025. SMUD and the El Dorado Water and Power Authority, which includes EID, concluded a deal with SMUD during its relicensing that provides 15,000 acre-feet of drought storage in SMUD Upper American River Project. . . ."

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  • Oh BrotherFebruary 17, 2014 - 8:06 am

    Phil now we need more water from the sky's...dams should've been built years ago.

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  • rodFebruary 17, 2014 - 10:26 am

    Oh Brother, in case u forgot. It's 'enviros' in bed with the dept. of interior that keep wanting to REMOVE dams... to save the endangered Chinook salmon. Remember KEN SALIZAR Sec of Interior and the four Klamath River dams that ALMOST disappeared… until he was called out on the corrupt science and lost his job? By the way, “If another Chinook salmon never came up the Sacramento, Klamath or other California river again, it would be unfortunate but certainly not endangered. Its native habitat is the Columbia River and rivers of the Pacific Northwest above Oregon where they thrive. “Chinook are also native to Asian rivers ranging from northern Japan to the Palyavaam River in the Siberian far east, although only the Kamchatka Peninsula supports relatively persistent native populations. They have been introduced to other parts of the world, including New Zealand and the Great Lakes”. (Augerot, Xanthippe; Foley, Dana Nadel (2005). Atlas of Pacific salmon. University of California Press. pp. 80–83.) Chinook are the most prolific salmon in the world with the largest populations. The specie has also established itself in Patagonian waters in South America. Additionaly, Chinook are the most widely distributed farmed salmon in the world, including Canada, the US, Chile and New Zealand.” Removing dams is a contrived crisis spawned by enviro-attorneys milking the taxpayers for BILLIONS of dollars every year using the Endangered Species Act.

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  • Jim RiordanFebruary 17, 2014 - 9:48 am

    Gee, imagine that . . .Besides plugging Latrobe road with traffic, now water is an issue. Imagine my surprise! GM Jim Abercrombie appears to have hit the nail on the head . . the developer(s) wish to put in only the pipes? Come on . . . they knew the requirements early on . . if they can't deal with the costs involved in the entire required infrastructure at the time of build-out, then, don't' build any of it. If they want to "defer" it, then let them put the money in a blocked account until such time as the requirements are met. If they can't pay for the infrastructure they should not be allowed to build any development until they can! . . .Why do they need recycled water? Because there is not enough fresh water to go around. Surprise, surprise! Need any more incentive to sign the Rural Communities United Petition?

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  • Stan StaileyFebruary 17, 2014 - 3:04 pm

    Jim, You're right again. Sign the RCU initiative, but don't stop there. There are three additional initiatives 1-2-3 supported by, Local Voter Control of El Dorado County. Go to their website or facebook page.(1.) Remove the CRL lines in the general plan. This initiative removes inappropriate urban boundary lines from established rural communities. (2.) This initiative restores Measure Y to its original intent. • Land changes which severely impact traffic levels cannot be allowed based on hypothetical road improvements being built in the future. (3.) This initiative restores agricultural buffers, and requires the implementation of existing General Plan policies that protect the counties historical, cultural, water and recreational resources. It also directs the Board of Supervisors to look at land use changes based on compatibility rather than favoritism. Put all four on the ballot and let the voters decide. I'm signing all four with the hopes that at least one or more will make it to the ballot.

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  • Fran DuchampFebruary 17, 2014 - 10:15 am

    Rod--love your early enthusiasm...however we are frying birds in Nevada with solar palnts? Shouldnt we work out those details first ? And your own example of electric cars catching on fire. I think some of our new technologies may have a few trials yet to run. It would be a shame if we fry all the fish--trying to use the water.

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  • rodFebruary 17, 2014 - 10:53 am

    Fran, again I think the 'necessity' to protect birds ... more likely to repel them is being invented as we speak. It is a significant concern. Sonic emitters we can't hear like low frequency is being tested at UC Davis and the propane cannons used in agriculture for years is still effective. We sure need to resolve many issues with new priorities evolving all the time.

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  • Fran DuchampFebruary 17, 2014 - 10:21 am

    The Israeli 'watergate' scandal: The facts about Palestinian water Israel has adopted a drip-feed approach to providing the Palestinians with water instead of letting them control their own natural resource. By Amira Hass | Feb. 16, 2014 | 7:05 PM | 21 Who would control the water? Rod...many questions out there. I wouldnt have to carry a bucket to the new new rich to beg for water would I?

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  • rodFebruary 17, 2014 - 10:42 am

    Fran, veddy intedesting! seriously, The Gaza strip is the only Palestinian access to seawater... and all they do is piss in it while unloading weapons at night from Egyptian and Turk boats. Israel supplies water to the West Bank last I heard and water is in short supply... true. The lush gardens and greenhouses in Tel Aviv overlooking the Med need to be extrapolated no doubt. Where did u get your info... would like to learn more, thanks

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  • Fran DuchampFebruary 17, 2014 - 10:41 am

    See Rod...this is my is the same water cycle. but we are letting water go..we are not capturing it. So I think, the water is there. We are not maintaing forests for the watersheds. Some blame more people--so. People still contribute to the cycle. Dinosaurs drank a lot as well. Some blame the weather.. It all comes back and recyles itself. You have just said--we are not capturing it. If I have a bucket of water--I can capture it...if I pour out some of the water before I get to the garden--why am I surpised there is not enough to water the whole thing? Water --our most precious commodity. And way above my head. Everyone play nice today :)

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  • Fran DuchampFebruary 17, 2014 - 11:10 am


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  • rodFebruary 17, 2014 - 11:31 am

    Thanks Fran, interesting article. The Haaretz and the Jpost certainly are entertaining. I have to laugh when I read about Livni and Netanyahu... the harry reid and Cruz of the promised land. Political discord in Israel makes the US look like a well oil machined, hard to know what to believe. No doubt the bottom line for Israel is to keep the 'status quo'. More water for Palestinians equates to more growth... and more Palestinian "refuges" (although most now never lived in Palestine) leaving Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt to move back to Palestine, called the 'Palestinian diaspora', but a security nightmare for Israel.

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  • Fran DuchampFebruary 17, 2014 - 11:25 am

    Miss M...I dont really care about the photos. both suggestions are from Facebook. the like and dislike button is mostly for entertainment on that site. You can look at the survey collected by the number of likes and dislikes...but they would be false numbers...becuse not everyone is "playing" along. As a gamer on FB, in a group of like players...we "like" to send out notifications- to allow the other players to look at the post. People will "like" different pages (although in gaming it counts against us--you can have only a certain amount of friends...and "likes of pages are considered friends-5000...I always run a little under to be able to add friends at any time...I hate deleted people to add people.--right now I have 4419 friends) The people who write these articles can set it to notify them when someone reads it. It is their choice. In gaming as well as here--it can be bothersome. To be contacted every time someone posts. The reason I chose wine because of the huge amount of publicity weed gets--photos ...stats...whatever. I have nothing against drinking, smoking, whatever. But fair is fair. If you dislike something--say so. Ask your friends on many look at the graphs behind their comments in groups--not many--I do--but thats me. I would like to see the survey results behind some of what the BOS staff does...just how many actually many no many said yes. If people on facebook dont like something--they dont read your next post--or they delete you from seeing their wall...but they move on. It is like here...people hating something--just move on.

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  • Robert D NollFebruary 17, 2014 - 1:46 pm

    so true

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  • Oh BrotherFebruary 17, 2014 - 5:45 pm

    Phil - hubby is bringing some articles from Arizona newspaper on the subject.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 17, 2014 - 5:53 pm

    OB, GREAT! Links?

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  • James E.February 17, 2014 - 5:52 pm

    Phil, after reading the Executive Summary, appears we will just have to rely on rainfall.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 17, 2014 - 6:05 pm

    Yes, James. Desalination is in need of a huge breakthrough before it becomes a substantial element of California's water supply.

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  • Oh BrotherFebruary 17, 2014 - 6:24 pm

    Phil I am on my phone only but its the Arizona Republic paper in the valley and state section. You will find the links I am certain. Hubby says they are at least doing something about their situation...

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  • kggFebruary 18, 2014 - 4:54 pm

    kgg writes: a large part of the expense with the upkeep of a desalination plant is the cost of chemicals and incidentals in cleaning the pipes after the salt water has run through it for a while.

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