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El Dorado, Diamond plans percolating


A ROUNDABOUT in El Dorado would reduce future delay and calm traffic. Crosswalks would be set off from the roundabout.

From page A1 | February 12, 2014 | 68 Comments

With traffic flow being the driving force, a plan to enhance the communities of El Dorado and Diamond Springs is in the process of being drafted by the El Dorado County Transportation Commission.

Called the Diamond Springs and El Dorado Area Mobility and Livable Community Plan, the document not only addresses options for improving traffic circulation in the area, but also population growth, jobs and cityscape issues such as sidewalks, landscaping, bike paths and crosswalks with an eye for how those communities may look 10 to 20 years from now.

“There’s no other community on the western slope of El Dorado County that is having a plan like this done,” said EDCTC senior transportation planner Dan Bolster. “Other communities would love to have this done for them.”

Bolster said the plan actually grew out of a State Route 49 realignment study that began in 2010. However as various transportation and community issues arose during the study, EDCTC decided to go after a $250,000 Caltrans grant to prepare a community plan that focused on the El Dorado and Diamond Springs area.

As part of the process for preparing the plan, a year-long visioning effort was undertaken in which stakeholder groups and residents were asked to respond to different long and short-range scenarios for the area, taking into account population and job growth projections.

Bolster said 45 different stakeholder groups and organizations served as an advisory body on the project.

Two public workshops were also held with residents who were asked to identify what values were most important to the community in designing the plan.

The answer that came back repeatedly, according to Bolster, was preserving the historical and rural nature of the area.

“The community really wants to preserve the historic core of El Dorado and Diamond Springs,” he said. “In particular they want to preserve the architectural and historic character of the downtown.”

Combining efforts to improve traffic flow while enhancing the appeal of downtown, one option that was discussed was removing on-street parking and using parking lots instead. “This would have to be coordinated with the business community,” said Bolster, adding that removing the parking spaces would allow the sidewalks to be widened and bike lanes added.

Bolster said wider sidewalks would make the downtown more accessible to those in wheelchairs and would allow restaurants to have outdoor eating areas. “Right now Diamond Springs and El Dorado are missing out on the economic benefit of the south county wine traffic,” he said, noting that 70 percent of Fair Play area traffic funnels through Diamond Springs. With more attractions downtown such as outdoor restaurants and bed and breakfast type hotels, it’s anticipated that Diamond Springs and El Dorado could capture some of the revenue streaming south.

Bolster said such improvements would also attract businesses to relocate to the area because of the lifestyle and recreational opportunities available. “That’s longer term and fits in with the community vision of where it wants to be in 20 years — attracting better and well-paying businesses,” he said.

A more controversial part of the plan is proposed changes at the intersection of Pleasant Valley Road and Highway 49.

Three different options for improving circulation at the intersection have been proposed. One is to leave the existing stop signs but add sidewalks and enhance the crosswalks. A second is putting in a traffic signal. The third option is a roundabout in front of Poor Red’s, an option that would mean taking out some of the on-street parking.

Bolster said so far, the feedback is that no one wants the traffic signal while a few others have concerns about the roundabout.

One of those is George Turnboo who owns a gas station at the intersection.

“Putting in the roundabout would mean taking out parking for two local businesses,” he said. “It’s wrong and will hurt businesses because there would be no way to stop and shop. It’s crazy for them to be doing this here,” he said, adding that there is also a drainage problem in the area. Turnboo went on to say that not enough notice was being given to local residents so they know about what kinds of plans are being made for the community.

However, Bolster said the roundabout, while not popular in the county, would improve the flow of traffic and would make it easier for people to cross the intersection. “It has a bigger footprint,” he acknowledged, “but improves the level of service.”

Bolster said that they would probably recommend carrying out the first option initially and enhance the sidewalks and crosswalks. Then in 10 years, they would revisit the idea of the roundabout. Perhaps at that time, the community will look at the idea more favorably, he said.

Aside from road circulation, Bolster said the plan also addresses the location of bike trails and bike paths as means of transportation and recreation as well as where traffic signals are needed.

Residents and stakeholders will have a chance to review and comment on the draft plan at a series of upcoming meetings. On Feb. 13, the draft will be presented to the El Dorado County Planning Commission. That meetings start at 9 a.m. On March 6 it will go back before the EDCTC for a hearing at 2 p.m. All EDCTC meetings are held in the Board of Supervisors chambers. The Planning Commission meets at 2850 Fairlane Court.

The plan is also available at EDCTC’s Website at

Bolster said all the comments received from stakeholders and residents will be recorded so that elected officials know which options have public support and which ones don’t.

“I’m very excited that Diamond Springs and El Dorado community are going to have a transportation plan that intends to preserve the historic and rural character of the area,” he said. “One that also provides a more livable, walkable and bikeable community that’s easier to get around and will enhance the economic well-being of the community. A place where people come to live and visit.”

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Discussion | 68 comments

  • Ernie LouisFebruary 11, 2014 - 1:24 pm

    I went to one of Mr. Bolster's "traffic meetings". I have high regard for the Bolster family, but just have to post my concerns. 1. Mr. Bolster and the Board of Supervisors must remember that existing residents are the highest stakeholder in the area. Mr. Bolster and the Board of Supervisors must remember that bicycles' are used mostly by people who live down hill in high density subdivisions. Mr. Bolster and the Board of Supervisor must remember that it is unwise to narrow existing roads to make room for people who do not depend on existing road for their daily circulation. Ernie Louis

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  • You BetFebruary 11, 2014 - 4:21 pm

    Roundabouts are a joke.. Sacramento Removed the ones they had. They also make a great place to Drift your car.. You will love that at 2am.. El Dorado County Planning Commission wake up before you waste our money.

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  • EvelynFebruary 11, 2014 - 4:37 pm

    You Bet: Can you provide information about the location(s) of roundabouts Sacramento removed?

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  • Double DownFebruary 12, 2014 - 5:42 am

    There are still small roundabouts in Sacramento in the residential areas. The Planning Commission is not the final stop for this plan as the EDC Transportation Commission appears to be the decision maker. Other than that, you are spot on. ~~

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  • Fran DuchampFebruary 12, 2014 - 12:50 pm

    EDC transportation commission The Commission has three standing committees. Policy Advisory Team (PAT) Technical Advisory Committee (TAC) Social Services Transportation Advisory Council (SSTAC)

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  • 1036-FrankFebruary 11, 2014 - 7:03 pm

    Europe loves these round-a-bout rope-a-dopes, they seem like the most dangerous places for accidents there is. Stick to the simple tried and true American way with stop signs where needed or lights if needed. Reject all foreign traffic ideas.

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  • James E.February 11, 2014 - 7:48 pm

    Frank, well, the City Council sure seems to love roundabouts (you know, the ones we voted for, except the City Council cannot seem to remember when or what the vote was). I wonder why?

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  • Robert D NollFebruary 12, 2014 - 4:03 am

    "seem like the most dangerous"

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  • Concerned localFebruary 12, 2014 - 9:01 am

    With all tractor trailers traveling on is A 53ft trailer gonna do a roundabout? Grant money is not free money. It's our taxes people!!

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  • Miss MFebruary 12, 2014 - 9:05 am

    Please please, no roundabouts! What a joke and they're the worst for accidents. Who votes for this stuff?

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  • SHFebruary 12, 2014 - 9:31 am

    I hate roundabouts! I drive through Diamond Springs on my daily commute and stop to get coffee in the mornings and errands on the way home - if they put in a roundabout, I'm going elsewhere. I've yet to hear a county resident say they are in favor of roundabouts, in DS or in Pville. Why is the BOS gunning so hard for this? Aren't they supposed to represent OUR voice? A voice that has opposed these roundabouts over and over and over and over?

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  • jodyFebruary 12, 2014 - 10:05 am

    I am not a fan of roundabouts per se, the one proposed in DS might win a grant from cal trans but will it really solve anything? there are hundreds of roundabouts already in America. lets see the studies on what they have accomplished. roundabouts have been around since the beginning of modern transportation. heck, the rock band YES even wrote a song about one. downtown Sacramento has many. they weren't put in to improve the flow of traffic but to slow down and disrupt driving patterns. too many accidents, car vs ped, car vs bike, car vs car. roundabouts in sac have forced drivers to PAY ATTENTION as they can no longer plow through intersections. As a frequent visitor, I can't stand them. I propose two tunnels to solve the pedestrian/bike problem in DS. as far as addressing the traffic issues, if they can wait ten years to re-assess the roundabout, good, let's wait.

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  • R.J. CarterFebruary 12, 2014 - 10:11 am

    A round-a-bout in front of Poor Reds??...........Why stop there??......How about a 12' tall bronze dolphin in the middle of it.....After all, nothing screams historical gold rush town more than a giant bronze dolphin in the middle of a trendy round-a-bout .....(sarcasm)..............

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  • Historic DolphinFebruary 12, 2014 - 2:07 pm

    Yes! A bronze dolphin would be perfect! Isn't Bennett Sculpture in El Dorado? We could commision them for this masterpiece!

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  • Sue TaylorFebruary 12, 2014 - 10:17 am

    I was involved in this study from the beginning. It was suppose to deal with future traffic issues and whether or not they could be mitigated with all the new development proposed in this area. It ended up being a bicycle plan with a roundabout and a new road south of 49 that would end at Union Mine. No real answer was given as to where the traffic would go from there. But it was okay because at the Highway 49 and Pleasant Valley Intersection in El Dorado, traffic is allowed to go to level F for gridlock. (F = failure) In the past when I asked DOT how a new road with bicycle lanes would fit down Union Mine, I was told that they might just have to take a few houses. I just thought the residents should know that before the bulldozers show up after this study becomes a "community driven" shovel ready project.

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  • you betFebruary 12, 2014 - 12:04 pm

    I believe that it was on J st. Near 15th.

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  • Fran DuchampFebruary 12, 2014 - 12:16 pm

    Spring Mill Road residents win fight against West 91st Street roundabout "The Department of Public Works received more than $9 million in federal transportation grants to build six roundabouts in Marion County, the first to be built on major roads in the city" "But as city officials were to find out, not everyone was on board."

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  • Fran DuchampFebruary 12, 2014 - 12:18 pm

    Traffic roundabouts can get some in Sonoma County wound up Posted by PD staff in County on February 8th, 2013 " And yet, few issues spark more controversy around these parts than roundabouts, with Cotati voters going so far as to ban them last November, likely making the city the first in the nation — maybe even the world — to take that extraordinary step."

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  • Fran DuchampFebruary 12, 2014 - 12:21 pm

    Landmark ADA Settlement Reached in Traffic Roundabouts Lawsuit "Richard Bernstein filed the federal lawsuit in August 2007, claiming that the County was building roundabouts that prevented disabled citizens from safely crossing these busy intersections."

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  • you betFebruary 12, 2014 - 12:25 pm

    So I guess this is what the box wants. So cost effective just put a full time cop at every one of these clusters. Or a cop cam

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  • you betFebruary 12, 2014 - 12:30 pm

    south of the county Wine goer's more like drunks. and as far as El Dorado and diamond springs goes too many Method heads to deal with. Diamond Springs is a toilet.

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  • Fran DuchampFebruary 12, 2014 - 12:37 pm

    GOING IN CIRCLES: The rules of the roundabout road

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  • Fran DuchampFebruary 12, 2014 - 12:46 pm

    when I was coming down the hill last night...there was such a difference between where I live just 13 miles up. I dont really go down the hill much anymore...and Urban" hit me right in the face...being born and raised in LA--there is no way someone can tell me that your City Council is protecting any kind of "rural" life style. As I pasted K-mart--it got darker and darker...back to the "rural" landscape.

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  • Laurel StroudFebruary 12, 2014 - 1:06 pm

    Sue Taylor is absolutely right in her comments. I also worked with this group from the beginning with Mr Bolster, and I have to say I am very disappointed that all the time we spent came this result. My personal feeling is that the result was already decided before the group was formed and the group was then funneled to the pre-determined result. As an organizational consultant, I was thoroughly unimpressed with the competency of the consultants used. The sticky-note school of input is laughable at any time past the 1980's and certainly is not a thorough investigation of what group members represent, but that's what these consultants used. A we paid as whole lot of money for. The result of this group reflects developer interests and friends (who were well represented and did their best to dominate discussion). It seems that after all these months of group work, Mr. Bolster chose to ignore the general public input and go with those favored by BOS friends and Smart Growth advocates (Agenda 21). Bicycles are a minor matter compared to the tourist traffic we need and our ability to get back and forth to work. But according to some people in the group, bikes are the only thing that matters, along with roundabouts that will completely screw up historic towns and seriously shortchange those businesses located there.. Do those people not understand even basic economics? But they seem to have the ear of the development community. Why not have sensible growth rather than rampant and destructive growth? And as for the El Dorado roundabout issue, it was never discussed by the committee before being recommended by the consultant. It was "sprung" on us without our prior input. Would you trust that? Surely Dan knew about that but never bothered to give us a heads-up. As for the roundabout, I was at the public meeting, and it is not true as Dan said that no one favored a signal. There were many that did, and just as many who favored just sprucing up crosswalks, etc and leaving the stop sign.. Also the people who favored the roundabout were mainly developers and real estate people. I watched the board where people indicated their preferences, which was at the public meeting, and saw who listed preferences there about the intersection in question. Dan is not representing those choices accurately. We've been used again folks. Why in the world do we ever trust this County government? They prove to us over and over again that they represent only themselves and friends, even though we pay their salaries.

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  • EvelynFebruary 12, 2014 - 4:45 pm

    Laurel: Sounds like you were Delphied. Those sticky notes always end up with the the pre-determined conclusion of the "visioners".

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  • You BetFebruary 12, 2014 - 3:45 pm

    Keep your Roundabouts in Europe.

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  • Foaming at the MouthFebruary 12, 2014 - 4:30 pm

    Roundabouts would be OK in El Dorado County if only you had to turn RIGHT to circle thru them!

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  • EvelynFebruary 12, 2014 - 5:53 pm

    Foaming: Propose your idea to EDCTC or Placerville City Council. I'll bet you could talk one of them into doing a taxpayer-funded survey. Maybe even join up with Placerville's forthcoming PR outreach to selected residents, determining how to elicit voter support for an increased local Sales Tax.

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  • James E.February 12, 2014 - 4:35 pm

    True, there are no left turns in El Dorado County.

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  • Fran DuchampFebruary 12, 2014 - 5:08 pm

    Sometimes they even leave a sticky note behind--for us it is the director of CEDAPP. Not only do we have the ugly blue sign---but she has plastered those badly designed business posters all over town. Tagging everything...down south we equate tagging with a animal marking its territory. Not much different here in Pollock Pines. rolling eyeballs.

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  • Fran DuchampFebruary 12, 2014 - 5:18 pm

    Historic Dolphin...I was thinking a bronze clown--makes a stronger statement. Maybe with a nose that lights up at night.

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  • Historic DolphinFebruary 12, 2014 - 6:03 pm

    Now you're just being silly... nothing says El Dorado more than dolphins!

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  • EvelynFebruary 12, 2014 - 5:55 pm

    You Bet: Thank you.

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  • Fran DuchampFebruary 12, 2014 - 6:28 pm

    okay...I guess--since there are some that insist that Pollock Pines is a "Carmel- by- the- Sea"--I have been looking for the sea...I found a puddle once with a boat in it. We could catch the ravens and paint them to look like I guess down the hill could have Dolphins. I still think a clown would work :) people could at least laugh as they went round and round....

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  • Fran DuchampFebruary 12, 2014 - 6:35 pm

    The modern roundabout design is a relatively new design concept in the U.S., with the first modern roundabout being built in 1990 in Nevada. <---trivia question answer....for those wine parties. So its Nevada s fault

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  • Fran DuchampFebruary 12, 2014 - 6:45 pm

    On roundabouts: I'm a senior and will never use the Racine Street roundabouts going to St. Mary's. Those are the most ridiculous things I have ever seen. It was a nice straight shot before. And accidents, what accidents? The stupidity of some people is mind-boggling. Now you will see accidents, confusion and anger, especially among senior patients at St. Mary's. -- What is with all these ridiculous roundabouts in this town? My grandparents would have used more colorful language...or grandpa would have said ,"let me get my rifle...and we'll just see about these roundabouts."

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  • Fran DuchampFebruary 12, 2014 - 6:54 pm

    Oh yay...the "AD" popped up...I was told the ad cost a pretty penny. Americans have the right to petition their government (1st amendment) --afraid of something Chamber? Spending money to silence a county--interesting. Let the petition (s) go to ballot--then spend money saying "no." --im just trying to save you money--it is time that the residents of El Dorado County decide for themselves--or are you saying they are not capable of doing so? I believe they can :) shhhhhhh by the way--people are now going to sign because you told them not have misjudged the people. You guys really need to get out more--engage the communities. Because they are realizing that you are not.

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  • Laurel StroudFebruary 12, 2014 - 8:38 pm

    Evelyn, you are exactly right. We were herded like cattle to a predetermined corral. And now the County Transportation Commission and County government will say this result was all our idea. I am so disgusted with the people who just lied to our faces-----Dan, I mean you and the cronies you had in these meetings. Apparently the only voices heard were theirs. Many of us are doing our best to tear up the crap in County government and shine the light on slimy people there who will rob us blind in order to make their fortune or "leave their legacy." I do however feel very sorry for the good people working there.

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  • EvelynFebruary 12, 2014 - 8:45 pm

    Laurel: The presenters/facilitators NEVER mention the Delphi Technique. And, to give them some benefit of the doubt, perhaps they don't even KNOW that's the method they've been trained to use. But one thing is certain: The MINUTE they start the group "visioning" with sticky notes, you're about to be had. It takes a really determined & cohesive group to call them out -- which rarely happens.

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  • Compass2TruthFebruary 13, 2014 - 8:17 am

    Regarding the Delphi Technique, refer to my comments in the "County Eyes New Bridges" article in this edition of the MD. This is just the tip of the Agenda 21 iceberg. The outcomes of all these "public" meetings has been predetermined with special interest groups behind closed doors. The BOS has been asked to agendize the Agenda 21 Resolution proposed on 5/15/12 but Chairman Santiago has been remiss in her fiduciary to respond appropriately to multiple public requests and address the issues. Melody Lane, founder Compass2Truth

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  • Melody LaneFebruary 13, 2014 - 8:20 am

    View the 2/11/14 BOS Open Forum and watch Norma Santiago's reaction to my 11 specific questions including Agenda 21 issues:

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  • Melody LaneFebruary 13, 2014 - 8:29 am

    Excerpt from 2/11/14 BOS Open Forum: 9. WHEN can residents commence DIALOG about this bridge project? 10. WHEN can we expect the 5/15/12 Agenda 21 Resolution to appear on the BOS agenda? 11. WHEN can we expect Supervisor Briggs to respond to District #4 constituents instead of giving preferential favors to his friends like Bill Center? Madam Chair, with all due respect, the Board has a fiduciary DUTY to address citizen concerns. To remain silent is to commit FRAUD in addition to violating your oath of office. So when DOES the public get the opportunity to address the BOS and WHEN exactly can we expect staff to respond to the aforementioned questions?

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  • You BetFebruary 13, 2014 - 1:11 pm

    Court tosses California's concealed weapons rules By PAUL ELIAS Associated Press Published: Thursday, Feb. 13, 2014 - 12:11 pm Last Modified: Thursday, Feb. 13, 2014 - 12:24 pm SAN FRANCISCO -- A divided federal appeals court has struck down California's concealed weapons rules, saying they violate the Second Amendment right to bear arms. The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said Thursday that California is wrong to require applicants to show good cause to receive a permit to carry a concealed weapon. The court ruled that all law-abiding citizens are entitled to carry concealed weapons outside the home for self-defense purposes. The divided three-judge panel disagreed with two other federal appeals courts that have upheld permit rules similar to California's. The U.S. Supreme Court often takes cases when federal appeals courts issue conflicting rulings. The Supreme Court ruled in 2008 that law-abiding citizens can keep handguns in the home for self-defense purposes, but didn't address whether that right extends outside the home. Read more here:

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  • Miss MFebruary 13, 2014 - 2:20 pm

    Unless I'm missing something here, when did this roundabout discussion turn in to a discussion about guns? Isn't that for another article?

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  • You BetFebruary 13, 2014 - 2:58 pm

    Ya ,if the Mt demo could keep up wit the pace of news. Short of that Deal with Multitasking.

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  • SpectatorFebruary 13, 2014 - 2:58 pm

    Miss M, Welcome to the MD

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  • Dave M.February 13, 2014 - 3:13 pm

    Guns? This sounds like an intrusion by the Cookie Monster.

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  • Miss MFebruary 13, 2014 - 4:30 pm

    Thanks. I'm still waiting for the "like" and "don't like" button : )

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  • Kathleen NewellFebruary 13, 2014 - 3:30 pm

    I attended the El Dorado County Planning Commission meeting this morning (2/13/14) to listen to the presentation by Dan Bolster from the El Dorado County Transportation Commission where the roundabout is being considered in their Diamond Springs and El Dorado Mobility and Livable Community Plan. Planning Commissioner Pratt pointed out that the nearby town of Plymouth in Amador County has already approved a roundabout at the intersection of HWY49/Main (completion 2015). Google Plymouth, CA roundabout to link to several articles on it. There's a youtube video showing a demonstration they gave at the Amador Fairgrounds in 2010 with a big rig (and other large vehicles) going around it. Pratt also brought up the logging trucks that use that route extensively, and said Plymouth's roundabout will certainly be a test to see if it works or not.

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  • Compass2TruthFebruary 13, 2014 - 4:07 pm

    Excellent observation Kathleen. Note excerpt from 4/4/13 CA State Parks District letter from Supervisor Matt Green submitted into the 2/11/14 BOS public record includes HWY 49 TRAFFIC CIRCULATION: “As noted by County staff, the Marshall Gold Discovery State Historic Park General Plan, approved in 1979, does include goals and objectives for TRAFFIC CIRCULATION which may be relevant to the Mt. Murphy Road Bridge Replacement Project. The Plan recommends the re-routing of Highway 49 outside the Park and development of a “Coloma bypass road” to facilitate removing vehicle traffic from Main street within the Park and restore the historic appearance of the Street during the gold rush era. The Plan presented a conceptual vision for addressing traffic impacts within the park unit and recognized that State Parks did NOT have the jurisdiction to fully implement this vision and would need to work with the County, Caltrans and other agencies to achieve the Plan goals.” Those goals may not be in the best interests of the EDC taxpayers.

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  • Fran DuchampFebruary 13, 2014 - 5:21 pm

    "In fact, three of the top five intersections in Madison with the most accidents are roundabouts, and all have been built within the past two years." Three of Madison's most crash prone intersections are roundabouts Submitted by Channel3000 Web Staff Sunday, August 19th, 2012, 8:37am

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  • Fran DuchampFebruary 13, 2014 - 5:23 pm


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  • Fran DuchampFebruary 13, 2014 - 5:31 pm

    Chamber--people have the right to petition to ballot...sorry you spent so much money on the ad. People in this county can think for themselves. 1st amendment. <---from the United States of America s Constitution .

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  • EvelynFebruary 14, 2014 - 7:11 am

    November 2012 -- NO ROUNDABOUTS IN COTATI - "Cotati voters exercise common sense that city council lacks" (HERE): Last night, the voters of Cotati emphatically told the city council that the council and city staff are supposed to work for them, and not vice versa. Measure U passed by what most people would call a landslide, 57.6% to 42.4%. After telling the council for nearly a year that their Village Main Street Plan was an ill-designed nightmare, and having their opinion consistently ignored, the voters made their wishes crystal clear, and voted to permanently ban roundabouts in the city limits.

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  • EvelynFebruary 14, 2014 - 7:21 am

    NOTE TO MAYOR CARL HAGEN & PLACERVILLE CITY COUNCIL: By now you may have gathered that Placerville residents do NOT want a Roundabout. On numerous occasions citizens have come before Council and, asking to have their wishes heard, requested we be allowed to vote on the matter. Their wishes have been summarily dismissed. However, you WILL consult us about your desired increased Sales Tax. That is ONLY because by law you must. Otherwise, you would just do it.

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  • Fran DuchampFebruary 14, 2014 - 7:47 am

    Just one site: petitions against roundabouts

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  • Betsy SandavolFebruary 14, 2014 - 8:51 am

    All the negative talk of the roundabout is a distraction from the real purpose of the project which to help make the Diamond Springs commercial area a little more attractive and make people more money. It's a given, if out of town travelers find Diamond Springs an attractive and welcoming place to stop and walk around they are more likely to spend their money before driving on. Further, the badmouthing of Mr. Bolster is disrespectful, it needs to stop. On bicycling, yes hardly anyone bikes in El Dorado County because biking here sucks. The typical bicyclist is a white middle aged man that is well to do. How can it be in your self interest to chase these people away? I see this plan as a positive force, and opposition is mainly based upon fear of change.

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  • EvelynFebruary 14, 2014 - 9:10 am

    Betsy Sandavol: Were you a participant in the "visioning" process?

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  • Fran DuchampFebruary 14, 2014 - 9:10 am

    Betsy Sandavol the "real" issue is there are funds for roundabouts...and no one really cares about what residents want. Please read what is happening all ove rthe USA. A great example is in Placerville...people said "no"--took it to court to say "no." People won in court. and yet the city council is bringing it back around again. In some places they are now adding signals to their roundabouts--interesting. because that is what they took away to begin with. Round is geometrically a larger "land" user in many cases--than a square. Look at their own pics above...just saying. Roundabouts do not bring people. Peoples "needs" bring people <-----also helps them to be "happy." Maslow's hierarchy of needs.

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  • Fran DuchampFebruary 14, 2014 - 9:19 am

    Mobility and Livable Community Plan, <----smartgrowth...."walkable communities" up on these as well. They have helped other places go bankrupt. And Economic Justice, Environmental Justice, Sustainable Development, NGO —Non Governmental Organization, and one of my favorites... "Transit Villages —are urban developments without cars. The primary modes of transportation will be busses, light rail, biking and walking" Read people--wake up. This has nothing to do with is happening all over the USA...and people are buying into it..

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  • JasonFebruary 14, 2014 - 11:36 am

    Bankrupt? Prove it. Also, you sound paranoid.

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  • EvelynFebruary 14, 2014 - 12:01 pm

    Jason: Fran is informed, not paranoid. "Bankrupt Cities, Municipalities List and Map" - HERE

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  • EvelynFebruary 14, 2014 - 12:07 pm

    Jason: Now you have a starting point for doing some research on factors causing cities & municipalities to go bankrupt.

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  • Fran DuchampFebruary 14, 2014 - 9:25 am

    And Ill leave every one something to play is not about what people "need"--it is about money. "The Division of Local Aid and Economic Development’s Transit Village Grant program will award grants for non-traditional transportation–related projects" first villages--then uniforms...what would your village be known for? what is your "visioning?" Play nice. lolololol

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  • Betsy SandavolFebruary 14, 2014 - 9:29 am

    I agree that a real debate on the merits of a roundabout is healthy. I also agree they take more space, and seem foreign to some people. However, they do say that a decision is maybe 10 years into the future, so getting worked up today about something hypothetical isn't productive. A roundabout is just a thing, it's not that important. The real debate ought to be about what it takes to make Diamond Springs a nicer place to be that causes people to want to stop and shop and become an overall greater asset to the community.

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  • EvelynFebruary 14, 2014 - 9:56 am

    Betsey: If County is expending staff time on plans and workshops, the roundabout is more than "hypothetical". Do you know if any property would have to be taken by eminent domain? (And again, were you a participant in the "visioning" workshops?)

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  • EvelynFebruary 14, 2014 - 9:57 am

    . . . Sorry. Betsy.

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  • Fran DuchampFebruary 14, 2014 - 2:55 pm

    Thanks Miss evelyn...was out . a city kid--so whatever happens in this county--I will adapt. What I dont get is why people are buying into some -who are chanting-- it "rural"--when it is not. They are "urban" ideas. Walkable communities already exist under different names. Look at any development down south--it is a very old idea. Roundabouts? There is no money-no water... yet places are spending it left and right--hence going bankrupt. Im not paraniod--again im a city kid no one can tell me what is not urban...I was born in a urban lifestyle. People are deciding for a whole--they are lying to the "communities" around them. shrugging shoulders. I believe in two sides of a coin...I like to read both sides--before I decide anything. I have read both sides of many issues--have you? Hopefully you are not just following others blindly. :) well, have a great evening.

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