Comments on: Fire gets away from Supervisor Ray Nutting

By: Walking Tall

Walking Tall — Fri, 08 Feb 2013 22:31:34 +0000

And the beat goes on, now information is that another person has been injured on “Ray’s Ranch” requiring a trip to the ER and involves dringing and driving and crashing. How many more people have to be hurt before the authorities step in and do something, “Ray’s run a muck Ranch” needs to be exposed and all those who know should come forward to stop this before another death happens. His get out of jail card needs to be collected ASAP…..

By: democratreader

democratreader — Tue, 05 Feb 2013 15:34:21 +0000

This is not Mr. Nutting’s first offense – nor his second. This had been going on for years. Regular people pay penalties but not for Mr. Nutting. County sweeps under the rug. Tonto is 100% correct. Look it up thourgh the public records act. You’ll be amazed.

By: Larry Velasco

Larry Velasco — Sun, 03 Feb 2013 22:33:51 +0000

My question is, what will Ray Nutting’s punishment be for letting his fire burn out of hand. It states clearly, when and IF you call that if your burn-project burns out of hand that you will be held liable. If nothing will be done to him for this, I would like to know why? So much so, that I would consider filing my own personal lawsuit against Mr. Nutting. I have no knowledge of who he is except for what I have read the past few days. I just want, for a change, the laws to APPLY to everyone. Not like the govenment does but as a local community like El Dorado County and it’s cities and town would do. By the way, GOOD for Sheriff D’Agustini. He and Joe Arpaio are the very BEST at what they believe and do. My name is Larry Velasco, AMERICAN

By: Judith Mathat

Judith Mathat — Thu, 31 Jan 2013 22:05:28 +0000

You get who and what you voted for at the ballot box, local, state and federal. MPG vs VIP Money-Power-Greed vs Values-Integrity-Principles.

By: terri garcia

terri garcia — Wed, 30 Jan 2013 18:38:41 +0000

Ray, please just resign! Finally, for once, do the right thing. You talk big about timber and forest resources, but it just lookslike you are an arrogant doofus about how to really use them. You are mixed up in so many shady things and you just keep lying. You don’t give a rat’s you-know-what about your neighbors or constituents or even if one of our houses burns down because all the firefighters are repeatedly at your house because you are stupid. Please just do the right thing and don’t drag this county down any more. We have just seen too much of your lying and disregard to not believe that you are just dirty.

By: Walking Tall

Walking Tall — Tue, 29 Jan 2013 21:47:59 +0000

Look out Ray that fire tax stuff has come back to haunt you, Dan and Chris, I’ll bet that you will have to testify and then tell them how many times they had to put out those “out of control burns” at your place.
Just what has been covered up and all about your visit to Garden Valley Fire to pull the same tax there.
Seems as if the past has come back and now it will be hard to explain it all away but we know you will try and it will make for some interesting reading/comment.

By: Phil Veerkamp

Phil Veerkamp — Mon, 28 Jan 2013 13:55:05 +0000

Colonel, GTown Whistler must be a simple black/white, left/right, evil/good, dumb/smart, sour/sweet liberal/conservative kinda dude. HEY WHISTLER! The real world is a little more complex and nuanced. The Colonel shows potential. Can’t we all just get along?

By: John Stevens

John Stevens — Mon, 28 Jan 2013 12:58:06 +0000

Getting back to the original conversation – The residents who live within the three local fire protection districts should be contacting the board of directors for each of those districts to ask if they plan to bill Mr. Nutting for the cost of their agency’s response. And if not, why.

For those who live in the Pioneer District and just approved Measure F – an additional property assessment -did you intend for the proceeds from Measure F to be used to fight fires on Nutting’s ranch – for free. Don’t forget that it was Nutting who strongly recommended that the Pioneer Fire Board run an effort to seek that benefit assessment and that they use his own campaign consulting team of Dellinger and Alarcon to run the campaign. The DA did file a civil complaint against Dellinger and Alarcon for their misuse of Pioneer District funds on campaign efforts. Just seems like every time you turn around, Ray is backing, working on, somehow involved in the more questionable issues in this county. His fingerprints are everywhere.

We should all be asking the districts that responded exactly what it cost each of them to respond that day.

I live in one of those districts and hope that they will bill Nutting for their time and services. I believe we all fully support the individual districts providing mutual aid to other districts within the county and throughout the region and state. Fire is devastating and no one wants to see one rage through a community or even one home. However, I now wonder what the coverage was like for the rest of the county while the three local districts and Cal Fire were at the nutting ranch. I am not questioning the need for these agencies to respond and, yes, other districts step in to cover but it goes without say that resources for the rest of the county were stretched thin. My point is more that through his ignorance, arrogance and pure lack of responsibility, he put the rest of this county at risk. He should be counting his lucky stars that there was not another major incident in the county at the same time that would have needed those same resources.

As far as the Air Pollution Control District, the Board of Supervisors also serves as the Board for the Air Quality District. It is the Board of Supervisors/Air Quality Board that appoints the Air Pollution Control Officer, Dave Johnson, the man tasked with determining the fine, if any, that Nutting will receive.

As a member of both Boards, for what 16 – 17 yrs now, he knows the rules and again as with everything else opts to believe he is above them.

For as long as most have know him he makes a point to talk about timber, resource management and efforts to prevent catastrophic wildfire – guess he thinks he is even above his own rules.

By: James E.

James E. — Mon, 28 Jan 2013 07:41:29 +0000

Mr. GTownWhisler, how could you be so wrong. Me buddies with Steers and Nutting? Sorry, not so.
I do some back and forth with Phil because I think he is redeemable — I want him to come over from the dark side. And JeffPlacerville, Mr. Steers served in the military so he is not a wanna be military. He served and served honorably. He is however without question, a Republican!

By: GTown Whistler

GTown Whistler — Mon, 28 Jan 2013 06:07:00 +0000

Have James E and Phil V been smokin weed or just plain looney? Oh, don’t tell me–they’ve gotta be friends of Steers and Nuttin.

By: Jeff-Placerville

Jeff-Placerville — Mon, 28 Jan 2013 05:44:07 +0000

How appropriate, the village idiot Steers, who hunts with an AR-15, republican Central committee member and just all around BS wannabe wish I was in the military stay at home daddy coming to Ray Nuttings defense.

By: Walking Tall

Walking Tall — Mon, 28 Jan 2013 02:23:23 +0000

Ray says he wants to be treated like everyone else and then says he feels they sent too many people and equipment and he should not have to pay. Wonder what he would say if lives were lost or homes burnt and his neighbors were the first to go. His thoughts are what scare most and how he puts his spin on everything, quit lying and face the truth. No excuse for what he did and has done and continues to think he can get away with. Own it Ray

By: Phil Veerkamp

Phil Veerkamp — Mon, 28 Jan 2013 01:48:49 +0000

James, Kirsten nailed it! I’m making my rounds of the grand children and great-grandchildren thanking them in advance for their future contributions to my well being. One of them told me a story of Eskimos sending the elderly adrift on ice bergs. Personally, I’d like something better. But I guess he who pays the piper calls the tune.

By: James E.

James E. — Mon, 28 Jan 2013 01:17:09 +0000

Phil, that -45 degree in Kansas I mentioned. Wind chill -45. And, you’re right of course, Hillary will be our first women president so bad mouthing her glasses is meaningless (as in, what does it matter?).

By: Phil Veerkamp

Phil Veerkamp — Mon, 28 Jan 2013 00:38:19 +0000

Cookie, I was a little late to check out the link to Hildabeast’s glasses speculative article. WHAT DOES IT MATTER, COOKIE??? I mean, really. Who gives a $hit what the Hildabeast wears? She is the next potus. Deal with it. Look forward to four years of conditioning. WHAT DOES IT MATTER!!!

By: Nathan foltz

Nathan foltz — Sun, 27 Jan 2013 22:16:03 +0000

But Ken nowhere in the article does it say anything about burning slag piles it says pineneedles and leaves. I’ve never seen a 4×4 burn pile of leaves last more than one day. Ray is a clown that gets away with everything. It’s got to stop sometime people have had enough

By: Cheryl

Cheryl — Sun, 27 Jan 2013 19:20:32 +0000

We have a kids baseball field here in Pollock that needs funds, might be wise of Nutting to cough up some dough, good PR might be a nice change for him

By: Shark Patrol

Shark Patrol — Sun, 27 Jan 2013 19:10:36 +0000

33/3rd…Old Proverb: “Rebuke is more effective for a wise man than a hundred blows on a fool.” Waste of effort on Ray. Hit him where it really hurts–in his wallet.

By: Cheryl

Cheryl — Sun, 27 Jan 2013 19:06:43 +0000

The Duke players were NOT GUILTY, clearly Nutting is guilty. And apparently this is not the first time he has cost taxpayers because of fires. I think the nefarious ones Ken speaks of are those who keep covering for this guy.

By: Ken Steers

Ken Steers — Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:47:05 +0000

Tom M, I assume you classify yourself as an upstanding citizen? Care to compare notes? I’ll bet you couldn’t run in my circles buddy.

By: Tom M

Tom M — Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:33:24 +0000

Is it any wonder that most upstanding citizens avoid Ken Steers and his friends like a dead skunk in the middle of the road????

By: Ken Steers

Ken Steers — Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:28:44 +0000

It’s my real name. And my point being, calling for the DA to prosecute everything is dangerous. Duke is a perfect example. Those that know me understand my long relationship with our DA. They also understand my relationship with Ray. I can understand the confusion because you don’t know me. Here’s my question as a fellow ranch owner. How do you burn slag in just one day? Why do we have burn days in January? And to be clear I completely agree with Cookie’s statement on January 25, 2013 – 5:34 am. 5:34 am? Oh my goodness

By: marian

marian — Sun, 27 Jan 2013 17:59:04 +0000

So Ken, who are these “nefarious” people you are talking about? And are you using your real name? I think for some reason you are trying to defend a really bad egg. Ray Nutting is not a person I would turn my back on, if I were you.

By: will w

will w — Sun, 27 Jan 2013 17:50:42 +0000

Ken Steers, I don’t know who you are, but you sure are digging the hole deep for yourself. Did you think about what you wrote? Bring in the Duke lacrosse case is a silly comparison. How do you explain all the trips the Pioneer FD has made to Nutting’s property in the past few years to put out fires that got away from him? The neighbors will testify to that. And you didn’t know there were burn days where Nutting lives? You should do some homework before you embarrass yourself, and think really hard about being a defender of his.

By: Cheryl

Cheryl — Sun, 27 Jan 2013 17:23:27 +0000

Ken, really poor example, the Duke incident has nothing to do with a foolish person leaving an unattended fire burning and costing the taxpayers thousands. There needs to be consequences.

By: Ken Steers

Ken Steers — Sun, 27 Jan 2013 16:38:03 +0000

Right? But I’m not high and I never said fires are funny. What I am shocked regarding this matter, is the lack of knowledge regarding how our government works. A warning to those that want a DA to prosecute ad hock. That happens all the time and destroys whole families. Look at the Duke lacrosse case. Because a county DA decided to make a name for himself by prosecuting the boys at a frat party. The coaches were fired the team was disbanded, the families went into bankruptcy defending their children. The young men were ask to leave university. Professors at Duke acted no better then the people at the Salem witch trials. The case eventually was dropped years later, and the DA was disbarred, but not until the young men’s lives were changed forever. So be careful what you hope for. There are also posters with a nefarious past who have axes to grind. Be leery of those who hide their identity in your mob. Because if you knew who they were actually you might not want to be associated with them.

By: cosmotos

cosmotos — Sun, 27 Jan 2013 08:23:36 +0000

@Ken Steers posted 01/26

Were you coherent when this was posted? Don’t sit near a burn pile when you’re lit up. Fires are not “funny”. Do I get an Amen?

By: 33/3rd

33/3rd — Sun, 27 Jan 2013 05:37:34 +0000

50 lashes with a bamboo cain! Then throw it on his burn pile.

By: Susan

Susan — Sun, 27 Jan 2013 03:23:29 +0000

Wise Cookie65–”When those who make the rules don’t follow them the consequences should be double.” Just imagine the revenue that would generate creating job vacancies for the HONEST people who really need them!

By: Dave M

Dave M — Sun, 27 Jan 2013 02:45:04 +0000

It is encouraging to know there are at least a few brave souls scrutinizing the elected “Good ol’ Boys” and holding their feet to the fire. Imagine the difference it would make in our county and our nation if everyone did the same.

By: Ken Steers

Ken Steers — Sun, 27 Jan 2013 02:17:22 +0000

It’s all funny but I had no idea there are burn days up there. And timber burn piles do burn for days. The fact that we have an A.Q.M.D. for this county blows my mind. It is Jan. Why does this government have no burn days in Jan? Isn’t this the same Leftist group think that gave us the Tahoe fire? I read someone claiming the D.A. should do something. Those that claim the D.A. or myself are friends of Ray step up. This is just for you few. I’m not. And your ignorant. Don’t bother researching the facts. I’m pretty good at this and I can tell you are ignorant.

By: Gump

Gump — Sat, 26 Jan 2013 20:20:53 +0000

“Stupid is as stupid does.” Fits Ray to a tee.

By: GTown Whistler

GTown Whistler — Sat, 26 Jan 2013 20:02:19 +0000

Kristina: MOST citizens have no idea of Nutting’s past (or any other civic leader) because it is the JOB of County Counsel, DA Pierson and the government controlled media to COVER IT UP all at the taxpayers expense. If Nutting DOESN’T have homeowners insurance coverage for his negligence, then Ray can/should be held personally liable for reimbursing us tax paying citizens for his uncontrolled burn. Nutting will get away with this ONLY if “we the people” let him get away with it. Start by blowing the whistle to the right authorities who’ll hold his feet to the fire–remember they work for YOU!

By: Mary

Mary — Sat, 26 Jan 2013 19:46:28 +0000

Okay, we all know what it means to pull a Sonny Bono. Now, we know what it means to pull a Ray Nutting.

By: Walking Tall

Walking Tall — Sat, 26 Jan 2013 18:58:43 +0000

Not a hard investigation here when Ray says; “been burning for several days”,(no permits)”treat me like everyone who burns on a non-burn day”,so how hard would it be to check into all the other goings at this place. “Party on Garth” we have a free pass here on the ranch, got all the bases covered, no telling what else exists. Not the first time people have been hurt here on the property, what with all the drinking parties. Say again look a little deeper and shake a few burnt trees and see what falls out, but that would take an effort to find the truth.

By: Kathy Glans

Kathy Glans — Sat, 26 Jan 2013 18:23:59 +0000

Ok, come on now, “theoretically” I was burning on a burn day? Then why does Ray make a statement that says quote ” I made a mistake by putting material on a FIRE. Thought it was only a pile?

By: Old Time Values

Old Time Values — Sat, 26 Jan 2013 17:49:03 +0000

yes, DA Pierson..where are you? Why do I have a feeling we will never see you do anything about this or even mention it? I don’t want to pay for this buffoon supervisor’s endless stupid deeds but I bet I will.

By: Shark Patrol

Shark Patrol — Sat, 26 Jan 2013 17:49:00 +0000

Dave in Kelsey has the right idea–RECALL Nuttin and Briggs. Expose a few other corrupt department heads under the dominion of County Counsel while you’re at it.

By: GTown Whistler

GTown Whistler — Sat, 26 Jan 2013 17:27:28 +0000

A minor citation doesn’t solve anything. Taxpayers shouldn’t have to foot the bill for Ray’s stupidity. Does Nutting have homeowners insurance? If so, the insurer can/should be held responsible for reimbursing the county the expense of ALL agencies responding to his illegal burn. DA Pierson should be on this like a dog on a bone.

By: marian

marian — Sat, 26 Jan 2013 17:17:31 +0000

Hey JoeB, alias Ray Nutting, welcome to the party. I see that no one is defending you except you. How long will it take the friends you have left, or the people you have bullied into silence, to run really fast to get away from you? For a man who does so many stupid rotten things, you certainly are thin-skinned. Well you deserve all the flak you get.

By: Del Myers

Del Myers — Sat, 26 Jan 2013 17:09:28 +0000

we will see if CDF holds Ray’s feet to the fire, so to speak, or lets him get away with this. I hope he will finally be caught for the arrogant, dangerous, stupid things he does. I’m fairly new here and even I’ve heard about these things. And why has no one done anything about the illegal fireworks or frequent fires he sets off on his property or his very frequent drunk driving? Where is the Sheriff (it’s been reported to them)or is he so tight with the Sheriff that he gets a “pass” on those things?

By: Roscoe_P_Coltrane

Roscoe_P_Coltrane — Sat, 26 Jan 2013 06:58:28 +0000

If a four foot pile of combustible matter is set on fire at a specific section of land and said fire grows in size greater than four feet, and or moves to other sections of land, said fire is in violation of the “I can’t fix stupid” ordinance. Technically, the “fire”, not the individual who set the fire shall be fined.

By: veteran

veteran — Sat, 26 Jan 2013 06:01:36 +0000

My distain for Nutting comes from the fact hes treated veterans in our county like dirt. Not surprised he’s connected at the hip with Sheriff John. I have always suspected the real pay off was something very profitable.

By: kristina

kristina — Sat, 26 Jan 2013 04:09:08 +0000

Oh my!
Only been in the area a couple of years and business owner & had NO idea of Mr Nuttings past
However, don’t just hate
Do something

By: Un-attended fire?

Un-attended fire? — Sat, 26 Jan 2013 01:02:48 +0000

half-a-dozen Calfire engines, a bulldozer, two water tenders and nearly 50 inmates from Growlersburg,
EDCE Fire Protection Dist, Pioneer and Diamond Springs Fire also responded w/equip. & three fifteen man hand crews. Thats 143 +
men, 18 units of equipment for eight hours =$ 100,000.00 dollars for what sounds like an un-attended fire, and we the tax-payers paid for it.

By: dave in kelsey

dave in kelsey — Fri, 25 Jan 2013 23:26:43 +0000

Recall Ray and Ron

By: JoeB

JoeB — Fri, 25 Jan 2013 23:02:33 +0000

Dave M = Not too bright… Didn’t even vote for the guy. Just laughing at you inbred, mouth breathing haters.

By: Dave M

Dave M — Fri, 25 Jan 2013 21:11:02 +0000

JoeBlow…is that Ray Nutting’s latest alias??? Where there’s smoke, there’s fire…the kind typically associated with inhaling wacky-weed and other illegal activities. Hold Ray’s feet to the fire and invite all his resident alien workers in for a weenie roast.

By: Walking Tall

Walking Tall — Fri, 25 Jan 2013 19:17:25 +0000

The title of this story should read “Truth gets away from Ray” He can’t tell the truth: what about all the illegal fireworks that are set off at a whim, the illegal underaged drinking, people being hurt while driving drunk on his property and flipping their car,the list goes on and on. Oh yeah he doesn’t have to cause the Sheriff who has been there during all of this won’t take action and if he did then the DA won’t do anything so “what does it matter”.

By: cookie65

cookie65 — Fri, 25 Jan 2013 18:02:34 +0000

Phil, if hillary (PIAPS) tells two 1/2 truths does that equal one whole truth? Have you seen the pic’s of the double vision glasses she was wearing during her “what does is matter” testimony? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2268073/Hillary-Clinton-Does-Secretary-State-double-vision-blood-clot-scare.html