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From page A1 | November 27, 2013 | 87 Comments

Nutting Ray SLT 2013

RAY NUTTING

Four fires burned 5 acres of District 2 Supervisor Ray Nutting’s land on Nov. 22.

Cal Fire responded to Nutting’s property on Happy Valley Road in Somerset at 5:01 p.m., said Cal Fire’s Teri Mizuhara. The four fires that were discovered burned about 5 acres of land before being contained at 9 p.m.

Nutting gave an account of the days leading up to the arrival of the fire departments.

He began burning Tuesday night, and “between about 10 p.m. and 2 a.m.,” Nutting wrote in an e-mail to the Mountain Democrat, and into Wednesday. Both days saw heavy rain. “Thursday, Adam Dyer and (Nutting’s son) Tyler consolidated piles.” At “about 10 p.m. I went out into the woods to check all the sites. One pile was still smoking.” Tyler and Dyer helped Nutting pull the burn apart and dump 15 gallons of water on it. They made a fire break with a Caterpillar tractor around the lower burn site.

“Friday morning about 8 a.m., I saw smoke at the top of the hill by the mobile home,” Nutting said. Dyer was burning up there on Wednesday. The three put out the burn and stayed until there was no more smoke. They “put a large ring around the spot.” The western burn pile was still smoking, so they put that out. All the sites seemed to be out, with no visible smoke at about 12:30 p.m., Nutting said, after four hours of watching. Kathleen Nelson and Pat Couch watched the fires as Nutting took his son and Dyer to Placerville.

“I returned at about 3 p.m. at which time I saw the smoke,” Nutting said. He “quickly” went up to the first site with about 20 gallons of water,”enough to put the outer edges of the fire out.” He did the same to the upper fire and was “able to put the outer edges of most of that fire out.”

At 5 p.m., Pioneer Fire arrived. Nutting went to the lower burn site and realized the west site needed attention. “My neighbor Shawn Travers and I were working on putting that out when Cal Fire approached me. It was at this time I knew it was under their control,” Nutting said. He “stepped aside and went home.”

Nutting noted it was very windy on Thursday and Friday.

“The wind started blowing sometime on Thursday and continued to blow faster through Friday. I would say that there was at times 50 mph winds,” Nutting said. Pioneer Battalion Chief Jack Daniels’ report had the winds at 15 to 25 mph on Saturday.

Couch and Sue Lyon helped with the fire. “As you can see I did everything possible not to let the event occur,” Nutting wrote. “I felt that the sites were safe and didn’t expect them to come back to life even with the fast winds.

“On Saturday I did a smoke check around the ranch and put out a couple of fires. On Sunday I put out another spot smoking. I go out every day and check.”

Damage was minimal, he wrote. “These fires were slow moving and only burned dead material laying on the ground.”

However, the fire report from Pioneer FD stated that the fire was “moving with the wind cross slope at a moderate rate of speed.”

“Nothing green burned,” Nutting wrote. “The only damage to the area was the Caterpillar I used and Cal Fire used. I will have to go back and water bar soil control. Flames on the lower part stayed near to the ground burning pine needles mostly. I had cut all the bush on the upper site mostly in piles. It was only that material which burned. There was no loss of trees on the west side and lower fire.”

The fire report noted that “several trees had fire in them as well.”

The cause of the fires is still under investigation. Cal Fire, Pioneer Fire, El Dorado County Fire, Rescue Fire and Latrobe Fire departments responded to the incident.

Nutting has been charged by both the District Attorney’s Office and a Grand Jury with filing false documents, failure to disclose income and having a financial interest in a county contract, in part in connection to grants from Cal Fire to clear land as a fire precaution. Cal Fire has been to Nutting’s property multiple times for burn piles that became out of control.

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  • GoldMinerNovember 26, 2013 - 10:53 am

    This is a joke, right? If not, this is the THIRD time this guy has lost control of "controlled" burns? Fire Marshall Bill, from "In Living Color" wasn't even this dumb!

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  • Don't want my house burned by this moronNovember 27, 2013 - 8:46 am

    I can not believe this idiot did this AGAIN!!! EVERY SINGLE DIME it cost to deal with this fire needs to come out of his pocket and he should be fined and jailed. He is a danger to anybody within 10 miles of him. Stupid jackass.

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  • Richard BuchananNovember 27, 2013 - 9:04 pm

    Why I don’t like Ray Nutting: In 2010 Supervisor Ray Nutting challenged our county Veterans Monument guidelines which defined under federal law the definition of a Veteran on behalf of an individual, who purchased a granite bench with engraved inscription for display at the Veterans Monument. The proposed bench inscription was questioned because of the lack of qualifying discharge certification for the individual whose name would appear next to the inscription which was the same person who purchased the bench. Under the monuments guidelines, “any issue that arises in regard to inclusion, inscription, or location of honoraria in the monument” will be decided by a committee of veterans which convened on 2-18-10. Nutting, taking advantage of his position prepared the agenda, directed his assistant to take the minutes, directed the Veterans Service office as to who would be on the committee, ignored the Brown Act, produced the individuals discharge certification which was discussed but omitted from the minutes, then the document disappeared and lied in a report to the full BOS on what took place. In the following four months the Interim Veterans Service Officer Bill Schultz was so intent in supporting Supervisor Nutting knowing that he had over extended himself political, put the issue of the individual’s certification on the EDC Veterans Affairs Commission agenda. And each month an effort was made by the Interim Direct to downgrade the monument’s eligibility standards which are consistent with monuments nation wide. Which had he been successful would have allowed the individuals name to appear on the bench even though his veteran’s status eligibility had never been proven and his discharge certification document was no longer available. This example of putting politics before honor, duty and what we fought for is a good reason why a politician should not be in charge of the County Veterans Affairs and a better reason why Ray Nutting should just go away.

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  • James 1:5November 26, 2013 - 1:07 pm

    "If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you."

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  • Watchful EyesNovember 26, 2013 - 4:16 pm

    Interesting choice of words you use Raymond. They should be very useful later in your prosecution. Lets add this up. Ray starts multiple piles on fire. There are two days of "heavy" rain, however the pile still burn. Must be very large piles? Ray et al manipulate the piles a few times, however they continue to burn. High winds are forcasted for Thursday and Friday, and the piles continue to burn. At what point does Ray feel it may be irresponsible to burn large piles in heavy winds? An escaped control burn may not seem like a big deal, but this is number 3, 4, or 5 escaped control burns at the Nutting Ranch. Adding in the fact that the taxpayers have already funded Rays fuel reduction efforts to avoid this scenario, it becomes a much bigger deal. A few words come to mind, reckless disregard, and arson.

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  • Irritated citizenNovember 26, 2013 - 7:05 pm

    Nutting makes Dumb and Dumber look like Einstein and DaVinchi.

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  • PvillejackNovember 27, 2013 - 4:45 am

    I feel safer because I don't live near Ray Nutting. The man doesn't have the sense God gave a goat, he's a nut.

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  • Dan HeathNovember 30, 2013 - 11:30 am

    I live across the canyon and my first thoughts were... "Nutting is at it again"... Ray, don't you have the sense not to burn when conditions are so dry ? Who cares if it "rained"... You of all people should know better. You are scaring me and my family, please stop..!!! Dan Heath

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  • William TNovember 27, 2013 - 6:00 am

    This is not funny. Ray Nutting's actions have grown more and more unstable. Basic guidelines for burning mandates not leaving the burn pile until it is fully extinguished. Ray Nutting's own words. “On Saturday I did a smoke check around the ranch and put out a couple of fires. On Sunday I put out another spot smoking. I go out every day and check.” Huh?

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  • S. T. BearNovember 27, 2013 - 6:13 am

    "Only you, (with the exception of Mr. Nutting) can prevent forest fires".

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  • FrederickNovember 27, 2013 - 6:29 am

    Send him the bill.

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  • GoldMinerNovember 27, 2013 - 7:41 am

    This is at the point where in Ray's mind, any Press is better than no Press. It seems he must be in the limelight, no matter what it takes. Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and Delusional come to mind. This behavior is getting dangerous, as William stated. Watch out for this guy!

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  • EDC NativeNovember 27, 2013 - 8:14 am

    Why is this nut job starting his burning "between 10 pm and 2 am" anyway? So it attracts even more attention? This guy belong in the psych ward not in public office!

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  • LynnNovember 27, 2013 - 8:08 am

    TIME FOR YOU TO STEP DOWN RAY NUTTING! THIS COUNTY IS DONE- DONE WITH YOUR GAMES! YOU ARE GUILTY!! SLAP THOSE CUFFS ON HIM! BET HE WILL LOOK GREAT IN JAIL ORANGE!

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  • GoldMinerNovember 27, 2013 - 8:14 am

    Then again, Ray could be attempting to set up a insanity defense, for his other "issues".

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  • Clyde NeedhamNovember 27, 2013 - 8:37 am

    He moved the timeline to 10pm to 2am so that the it started on Tuesday. This way he looks responsible. Nobody will believe Baby Rays lies.

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  • William TNovember 27, 2013 - 8:40 am

    His IRS tax issues place in him far more peril than does his embezzlement problem. His accountant has already been arrested. So an insanity defense does come to mind...

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 27, 2013 - 4:10 pm

    William T do you KNOW and ASSERT that Teresa Marty is Ray Nutting's accountant?

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  • 1036-FrankNovember 27, 2013 - 8:40 am

    This was one of the bigger windstorms in years and warnings had been in the media for a week. People can only imagine what this fire could of been. This type of negligence should be prosecuted, leaving the area, "thinking" the fire was out might of worked before as a story, it is criminal at this point.

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  • Gaspen AspenNovember 27, 2013 - 8:41 am

    This idiot should NOT be aloud to play with matches. He DOES seem to be getting more and more unstable. You can see it in his eyes.

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  • Sean OnneryNovember 27, 2013 - 10:11 am

    Gas Ass where did you hear him playing with matches aloud?

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  • Ire coeNovember 27, 2013 - 8:50 am

    What a liar this piece of c##p is. Chairman Briggs how long do the people of Eldorado County have to put up with this Psychotic idiot. Please help the people of this County and suspend the fool. We the people can't afford to keep this Crazed person in office.Yesterdays posts asked if Raymond Nutting was capable of Voter Fraud. YES, HE IS CAPABLE OF ANYTHING. Lock this guy up and throw away the key.

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  • Bob ReevesNovember 27, 2013 - 8:57 am

    William T. is this true about the I.RS. and his accountant..

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  • Fran DuchampNovember 27, 2013 - 9:15 am

    Okay trolls...here is an article you guys missed..from an every day resident up here in Rays district. "Enough is a Enough"--while you guys were ranting-- this is going to print. http://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/nutting-case/ Your rantings and swearing have made his article seem very sane. Point goes to his article...he is not swearing and calling people names. Hurry, before others follow him. Ray is very well liked up here.

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  • Clyde NeedhamNovember 27, 2013 - 9:17 am

    Yeah by idiots, Franny

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  • LpNovember 27, 2013 - 9:18 am

    I think GoldMiner has hit the nail on the head. It's Ray's only defense. The man is desperate, and will do anything to stay out of jail.

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  • Fran DuchampNovember 27, 2013 - 9:22 am

    Clyde Needham Nope the writer of this article is one of the upstanding people in this community. Member of CERT,and various other volunteering groups. this one would be hard to fight. Knows all the important players. He and I dont really play on the same side...so I love that he has written this article :)

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  • Oh BrotherNovember 27, 2013 - 9:37 am

    Fran, you are a good person; you do not need to defend yourself against these haters...enjoy Thanksgiving with your family, friends and grandson!!

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  • Fran DuchampNovember 27, 2013 - 9:44 am

    Thanks Oh brother...same to you. I will be helping at the community center for Thanksgiving...I enjoy all the people that come. Everyone laughing and talking...doesnt get better than that. My grandson normally comes with me. I hope yours is peaceful. No worries about the "haters"..most of their comments make me laugh.

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  • GoldMinerNovember 27, 2013 - 9:56 am

    @Fran, why waste your time arguing with us "Haters", when you can do something constructive like donating (more?) money to Ray's defense fund? It's funny that you make no mention of this latest "Fire" problem at Ray's property. All you want to talk about is the people who like Ray. Don't ignore the issue. Maybe you could rent a water truck, for emergency standby operations, out at Ray's ranch. Don't worry, Ray appreciates you, no matter what the rest of us say about him!

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  • taxpayerNovember 27, 2013 - 10:20 am

    Mr. Miner ;;; the D.A. appreciates your continued support and in this season of giving says us taxpayers should just keep those big bucks rolling in. Money is no object for prosecutions gone wild.

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  • GoldMinerNovember 27, 2013 - 11:16 am

    @Taxpayer, so should we give the money to Ray then instead? @El Dorado, the people commenting here are only doing so, each time another Ray Nutting story surfaces. Nobody needs to dig up any dirt, Ray provides his own material for discussion. If all you can do is continually defend this man, no matter what he does, what does that make YOU? Ray needs to go to Washington D.C., he would fit right in there!

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  • EldoradoNovember 27, 2013 - 10:27 am

    What amazes me the wide variety of phony names all concocted by just a couple people who repeatably post in a thinly veiled attempt to taint potential jury members....It's soooo obvious they want this trail to be held in the pages of Mountain Democrat long before it gets to any court of law........

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  • cookie65November 27, 2013 - 11:43 am

    Regardless of anything else, anyone with his track record of requiring the fire department to extinguish fires on his ranch should hire out the burning to someone else.

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  • JimBoNovember 27, 2013 - 12:37 pm

    NUTTING: The Negative Feedback Loop News cycle that just keeps on giving!

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  • Bob ReevesNovember 27, 2013 - 1:01 pm

    Yeah Eldorado. Why don't you use your Christian name. Why do you hide behind a moniker?

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  • rodNovember 27, 2013 - 1:59 pm

    Seriously Ray, looks like some sort of a pattern here. What could possibly motivate u to ever touch another match after the first couple episodes? You either like living on ‘the edge’ or you just live on autopilot ??? I saw several control burns the day before from the airport… but none of them got away that I know of. My fire insurance premium has gone up and the value of my house here in Pollock.. has gone down, all because of $hit like this. Do your eyes glaze over when you see a flame?

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  • Watchful EyesNovember 27, 2013 - 2:36 pm

    Ray oh my Ray do you really think people believe that you did firewatch in the dark on a dozer and had so many piles that were burning over the Tuesday-Friday period that high winds wouldn't ignite them over and over. Where's your permit, are you within the required size or maybe you can produce a timber plan or maybe a harvest or a clearcut plan oh yeah and how is it the fire department's report doesn't match your rant.Ray Ray you can't explain this away and you are in need of medication but at this rate you will be in the Puff Unit and on the required meds soon.. Stop the nonsense Ray and just go away no one wants to hear your stories anymore..You need mental health help Ray and maybe some of your supporters can get you there soon, all seriousness now Ray get help soon before you really hurt yourself or someone else.

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  • I Am The WindNovember 27, 2013 - 3:03 pm

    Now this is funny. I don't care who you are. This is funny. (see you soon Vern & Joe)

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  • Exodus 22:6November 27, 2013 - 3:11 pm

    "If a fire breaks out and spreads to thorn bushes, so that stacked grain or the standing grain or the field itself is consumed, he who started the fire shall surely make restitution."

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  • William T.November 27, 2013 - 3:17 pm

    Yes Bob, Ray Nutting's accountant has been indicted for setting up fraudulent tax shelters. The Nutting Trusts were created by her. He's in a lot of trouble for tax avoidance.

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  • GoldMinerNovember 27, 2013 - 3:28 pm

    I don't know about any tax shelters. What I read is that she filed false tax returns, for hundreds of individuals, getting them fraudulent refunds totalling hundreds of thousands of dollars each. Total paid out was in the Millions. That's what she was Indicted for I believe.

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 27, 2013 - 3:34 pm

    " His accountant " ~~~ A name would be a public service. Provide a name.

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  • GoldMinerNovember 27, 2013 - 3:41 pm

    @Phil, the Accountant is Teresa Marty. Google Teresa marty 1099-OID scam

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  • GoldMinerNovember 27, 2013 - 3:55 pm

    http://www.mtdemocrat.com/news/three-women-federally-indicted-on-60-million-tax-return-scheme/

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 27, 2013 - 3:53 pm

    Thank you. And you KNOW and ASSERT that Teresa Marty is Ray Nutting's accountant?

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  • GoldMinerNovember 27, 2013 - 3:57 pm

    Phil, I don't know that personally. Another poster on these boards stated that Marty was Ray's Accountant until she was indicted a few months ago. I know of the Marty case specifics, that's all I am privvy to.

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  • Oh BrotherNovember 27, 2013 - 4:16 pm

    If you do not know it personally and have no FACTS then stop repeating GOSSIP...

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  • GoldMinerNovember 27, 2013 - 4:25 pm

    Another poster stated that Ray's Accountant had been arrested. On another Ray Nutting thread over a month ago, another stated that Marty was Ray's Accountant until she was indicted recently. Phil asked for a name. I'm assuming there are not other Placerville area Accountants, who have been handed Federal Indictments lately. True, I don't know personally if she (Marty) had anything to do with Ray, or vice versa. However, everything I have stated about Ms. Marty is well substantiated, even in this local paper. This case has been going on for almost 5 years now.

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  • I'm curiousNovember 27, 2013 - 3:30 pm

    I was looking at Ray Nutting's web site. Is it true that only 2 elected officials not supporting Ray are the DA and the Auditor? Do the 4 other Supervisors stand behind Ray? What does our Sheriff and Tax Collector have to say? Also this story states that there were 4 fires burning the 5 acres but Ray only mentions 1. Could someone else have started the other 3? Ray states on his site that he has over 200 pages of evidence that clearly exonerates him of any wrong doing. Why doesn't a judge throw the case out? Clearly someone is laying down a smoke screen. And where there's smoke there's a fire.

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  • 1036-FrankNovember 27, 2013 - 3:50 pm

    Maybe his future after learning how to make license plates is wearing a bear suit and ranger hat, saying, "Only by placing me behind bars can keep me from starting fires." This new fire shows he has learned nothing from the other ones. Criminal negligence, burning during a serious windstorm is evident beyond a doubt. So far, due to luck, the fires haven't burned half the county. As to his seat on the BOS, the board is way overdue to ask for his resignation and they should pass some new regulation to make sure someone in public office arrested for felony crimes has to resign or take a leave of absence until a verdict or plea.

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  • Oh BrotherNovember 27, 2013 - 4:36 pm

    Cheating on taxes has been going on so long...how about the elected officials of this county taking our money for raises and perks etc, and who knows what they claim on their taxes...where in the heck is the outrage at that?? Oh that's right, that's why all these phony bloggers who are friends of elected officials like Pierson, Harn, Brigss et al are trying to throw us off track...they don't like the heat they are starting to get for fleecing the citizens of this County. And for screwing up and misleading grand juries and all the rest of the crap they get away with. The residents of El Dorado County might start looking at ALL of the lying cheating officials of this county and go after them ALL and not limit ourselves to one or two...

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  • Bob ReevesNovember 27, 2013 - 4:55 pm

    One at a time Raymond Oh I mean Oh Brother

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  • Oh BrotherNovember 27, 2013 - 5:03 pm

    You wish I was Ray Nutting, that would mean you weren't being watched yourself....seeing as how I am a woman and many bloggers on here know that stop making an ass out of yourself more than you already have...please see the other posts on here regarding yourself....hope you look good in orange yourself...I am not related to Mr. Nutting nor do I live in his district...I am however, very unhappy with our elected officials in this county fleecing us and being dishonest...that includes the district attorney, auditor, supervisors, dishonest grand jury members and the list goes on and on...you are trying to create a diversion from your buddies and it isn't working...investigate all you want, including me to see if I am Ray Nutting...go ahead, come over to my house, give me a call, please let me see how great your investigative skills are...follow me and take pictures too...I really don't give a hoot.

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  • Oh BrotherNovember 27, 2013 - 5:11 pm

    And you, Mr. Reeves, reek of the bullying tactics used by the district attorney's office..

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  • R.j. CarterNovember 27, 2013 - 5:30 pm

    Oh Brother....After indicting Mr. Nutting, Bob Reeves has followed both Nutting and his family along with Nutting's friends and acquaintances all over town taking pictures, making notes and recording their activities....I know because, myself and my wife were a couple of those people....This is what I copied and pasted straight from the HANDBOOK FOR FEDERAL GRAND JURORS Published by the Administrative Office of the United States Courts, Washington, D.C. **"No grand juror should undertake to investigate matters outside its proper scope merely because someone suggested an investigation, (D.A.) or because the investigation would be interesting"." **"No grand juror should discuss the cases under investigation with anyone, except fellow grand jurors and the United States .Attorney or the Assistant United States Attorney, and then only in the grand jury room. Of course, the grand jurors may always seek the advice of the judge". Still being bound by law and his oath of secrecy as a former Grand Jury member who indicted Mr. Nutting, Mr. Reeves continued investigating Mr. Nutting even after indicting him....That, along with his recent posts in the Mountain Democrat prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that, he has violated both of the rules for Grand Jurors and U.S. law....It also proves that Mr. Reeves has harbored an extreme predigest against Mr. Nutting before, during and after sitting on the Grand Jury...Also, since nothing has been done about Mr. Reeves it's obvious he's acting under the blessing and protection of the Eldorado Co. D.A. and his ilk....

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  • Oh BrotherNovember 27, 2013 - 5:43 pm

    Yep and my memory is intact...there are a lot of things I remember...I am challenging he or the district attorney office to investigate me...bunch of bullies...bring it on.

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  • Oh BrotherNovember 27, 2013 - 5:47 pm

    And RJ, I remember a meeting you and a group had during the Sheriff's campaign and all the bs that occured then also involving "investigating and recordings"...funny that a buddy of the District Attorney was running for that position..such garbage...

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 27, 2013 - 5:55 pm

    OB, buddy Bob Luca?

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  • Oh BrotherNovember 27, 2013 - 5:59 pm

    Yep and all the other cohorts and minions...they make Lacy look good and that is pretty pathetic..

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 27, 2013 - 6:01 pm

    ok - that makes sense - add Prada to that network.

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  • Bob ReevesNovember 27, 2013 - 6:02 pm

    One at a time.

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  • R.j. CarterNovember 27, 2013 - 6:08 pm

    Oh Brother...Good memory!!...I had forgot about that, how true...It seems to be the same crowd now that was going after D'Agostini before he was Sheriff, and it too was illegal as hell, but was all swept under the County carpet..

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  • FYINovember 27, 2013 - 6:08 pm

    Oh Brother is Chris Alarcon and his wife. They both might seem well qualified to teaching Ray how to make license plates.

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  • William TNovember 27, 2013 - 6:22 pm

    RJ I don't think the Sheriff wants anything to do with the Nuttings, Dillinger or Alarcon. In fact wasn't it Ray Nutting who was going around saying that he is being persecuted because he ran the Sheriff's campaign? Then I read something in the paper a while back that the Sheriff actually worked for the DA in Amador County and the DA likes the job the Sheriff is doing now. In fact I pulled up articles in this paper about the incident you and the Alarcon's were discussing, and the concern was more about your group the Booze Fighters the relationship with the Hell's Angles and Dillinger orchestrating some situation at a Supervisor's meeting telling a Hells Angle what to say. Nutting, Dillinger and Alarcon have all been indicted and or convicted of many various crimes since the election. They are scum. That doesn't make everyone else scum. Just those that make excuses for their actions.

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  • Oh BrotherNovember 27, 2013 - 6:32 pm

    FYI, I will also challenge you to investigate me...you will find what you are saying is not the truth....you and Reeves can continue to try to muddy the waters using names of people who have had problems or run ins with the law...won't find that to be true about myself...perhaps you are hoping that I am, but, unfortunately, this dirty judicial system has lawful, non political people who are disgusted with how this county is being run...so you go ahead and investigate me...I am just a boring ole citizen in this county...and I vote also...

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 27, 2013 - 6:55 pm

    William T, at 4:10 PM I asked you, "Do you KNOW and ASSERT that Teresa Marty is Ray Nutting's accountant?

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  • Habakkuk 2:6November 27, 2013 - 6:31 pm

    "Will not all of these take up a taunt-song against him, Even mockery and insinuations against him And say, `Woe to him who increases what is not his-- For how long-- And makes himself rich with loans?'

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  • Oh BrotherNovember 27, 2013 - 6:45 pm

    Having grown up in the Bay Area, I highly doubt that ANYONE would tell a Hells Angel what to say...more dumb rumors and detraction's from the real issues and ongoing tainting of the jury pool regarding the case via this newspaper..

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  • GoldMinerNovember 27, 2013 - 7:40 pm

    Whether agreeing, or disagreeing with one another, I hope you all are able to spend quality time with friends and family tomorrow. Have a safe and Happy Thanksgiving!

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 27, 2013 - 8:49 pm

    Oh Brother, Twice now I've asked "William T" about Teresa Marty being Ray Nutting's accountant. Zero, zip, nada. I seems that Willie is a disinformation troll - probably one of Joe's/Vern's lackeys.

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  • Clyde NeedhamNovember 27, 2013 - 8:46 pm

    O K lets see if i got this straight. OH BROTHER is Chris Alarcon who says he's a woman but wants to be Ray? And then there's a prohibitionist who doesn't like booze? Ray needs new friends

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  • Proverbs 29:9November 27, 2013 - 9:39 pm

    If a wise man has an argument with a fool, the fool only rages and laughs, and there is no quiet.

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  • William TNovember 27, 2013 - 9:46 pm

    I never even looked at Phil's questions. The answer is yes Phil. Is she yours?

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  • MagiumNovember 28, 2013 - 8:40 am

    The real question is why hasn't this Pyro been arrested and his matches taken away;Alacon/Dillinger etc...The list of Ray cronnies/supporters who would have anyone drink from the sewer that they're from. Condone the activity and support Ray's Ripoff of our County is just about as STUPID as Ray himself. Any other citizen would have been arrested/jailed and put into the State Hospital wing for the insane, Ray's Rant is all about Nuttin n his minions who have benefited from his position on the BOS by Ray giving out jobs/money. His supporters are dropping like fleas once the smoke settles Ray will be standing alone in prison. We as citizens need to take a stand and remove this POS from his BOS BS position before he starts wearing his dunce cap to the meetings. Oh wait he already does as he can't vote on the very issues of his job;MONEY, because he steals, lies, cheats, drinks/drives drunk, embezzles and let's not forget starts fires. Excuses don't cut it Ray you are so far gone even you can't see the forest for all the burnt trees, see ya Ray wouldn't want to be ya. Help is what you need and will get soon we hope.

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  • DarrinNovember 28, 2013 - 10:29 am

    He was accidentally calling the Burn Ray hotline. Every day is a burn day at that number... Burn, Ray, Burn!

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  • EldoradoNovember 28, 2013 - 11:40 am

    For who ever that one guys is that changes his online name 20 X a day to ***** about Ray Nutting here's a few more suggestions you can use...Bart, Mavis, Bruce, Carl, Don, Norm, Jerry, Molly, Rich, Nick, Mary, Robert & Betty ..This way you do too much thinking.....

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  • EldoradoNovember 28, 2013 - 11:42 am

    For who ever that one guys is that changes his online name 20 X a day to b**ch about Ray Nutting here's a few more suggestions you can use...Bart, Mavis, Bruce, Carl, Don, Norm, Jerry, Molly, Rich, Nick, Mary, Robert & Betty ..This way you do too much thinking.....

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  • MagiumNovember 28, 2013 - 9:22 pm

    Facebook is a wonderful thing; when Ray claims he was doing smoke checks and his son posts pictures of full on fires at 5:30 pm at the height of the winds...Gee Ray how do you explain this away as we all know that a picture is worth a thousand words, guess you will have to back pedal away now huh. Ray the lies you tell have all come home to the smoking ?? full on burning piles of BS that you spew, face it ;Ray YOU ARE DONE.... Sunset fires on Da Ranch a beautiful thing.

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  • Fran DuchampNovember 30, 2013 - 2:44 pm

    Dan...are you the same one that supported Helen as Supervisor, the supervisor that helped buy and spend tons of money for our really expensive Park land here in Pollock Pines? Which we still dont have--now people are going after the little league field as the new park. From 26 acres to 14...but it does follow the general plan, and the Parks master final --that nine people showed up for. Not many of us knew about the opportunity. Harper and Jaggers forgot to let the rest of the town know. $445,000...and no park. so Dan is this you? Or someone pulling a name out of a hat? If it is is...your supervisor choice didnt work out very well.

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  • Walking TallNovember 30, 2013 - 6:14 pm

    Fran, you can bet if there was money attached to the park and no park was the result that Ray took the money and ran. As we have seen if Ray touched it and there is money missing or no result as promised then Ray hid or relocated it to his benefit. Ray's involvement in illegal activites go back to his first elected term throughout his total time as a BOS. The DA has all the paper trail and more charges are pending as well as the federal authorities who are waiting for the State case to be tried or pled out. Ray could do himself a big service and just take the best deal before he goes away for a very long time and then goes to federal prision for tax evasion.

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  • Oh BrotherNovember 30, 2013 - 7:20 pm

    Walking Tall - please provide us with the information as to where we can verify your comments as the truth...if you are privy to this information, then we, the rest of the public should have access to the same information. Please reply as to your information to other new pending charges. It is only fair that you tell us the whole truth not just allude to it. Please give me a link, phone number or any other source that I can contact to verify what you are writing.

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  • Fran DuchampNovember 30, 2013 - 6:36 pm

    Walking Tall...I was at the meetings way back when...I asked an architect at the time if my grandson would ever see the finished product as a child--the gentleman said "no." There were three different plans--we took three different maps...I donated mine to the little library--I heard they lost them.That was several years ago. Helen made the purchase...money was wasted by people deciding what it would look like. the slope of the land was never a "good" buy. People in town keep making up crap--they forget--I have been around for a very long time. there was also another group trying to raise money for the park...they never got their 501 c...they still had 750.00 taken from the public..hopefully it went back to kids. Talking about the park...and what will happen over at Forebay is sad. what people do for money--is sad. Someone just asked me...wouldnt you play with these people for the kids. NO. and im sorry some of the people I called friends would..

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  • Oh BrotherNovember 30, 2013 - 10:02 pm

    Walking Tall - I am waiting for your answer...is this just more gossip or can you back up what you are blogging?

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  • Oh BrotherDecember 01, 2013 - 8:28 am

    I guess, since Walking Tall cannot give me an answer, these blogs should be printed off and turned into the District Attorney and get his opinion of these new accusations and the dirtying of the jury pool.

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  • GoldMinerDecember 01, 2013 - 8:55 am

    Sounds to me like the potential jury in this county, could be tainted either way. I'm sure any trial will be held elsewhere. I would expect/accept, nothing less.

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  • EvelynDecember 01, 2013 - 9:10 am

    "First Prosecutor Jailed for Deliberately Convicting Innocent Man" - HERE: According to multiple investigations and legal experts, because of official “immunity,” officials who commit deliberate misconduct are virtually never punished. Instead, they tend to get promoted.

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