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From page A1 | July 17, 2013 | 90 Comments

Shiva Frentzen, president of the El Dorado County Chamber of Commerce, was ousted at a special board meeting on July 9 after a conflict arose over her membership on different elected groups.

Frentzen said the action was taken following her signing a letter, along with Sam Bradley and Bill Center, that was sent to Cameron Park residents in May opposing the Marble Valley-Lime Rock Development.

Bradley and Center are both former county supervisors. Frentzen currently serves on the board of the Cameron Park Community Services District, LAFCO and other boards.

The letter stated that the developer, Parker Development, was proposing to build 4,035 homes on 3,100 acres which would increase the population in the Cameron Park area by 60 percent. The letter expressed concern over the amount of traffic the development would generate and how it would change the existing zoning on the land, which is currently 5-to 20-acre parcels.

“The county needs more jobs — not rooftops,” said the letter. “The county should be planning to use our remaining Highway 50 road capacity for new job projects — not large housing projects with even more commuters.”

The letter urged residents to lobby the El Dorado County Board of Supervisors to schedule an advisory vote on the project as soon as possible to give Cameron Park residents “a voice in the plan.”

Frentzen said she believes her opposition to the development was the basis for the chamber vote to remove her. “I believe my duty as an official is to protect the community. I’m in favor of bringing more jobs to the county, but not more rooftops.”

Frentzen said she was surprised by the chamber’s action and hadn’t decided yet how to respond. She claimed that since the board had not taken a position on the development, she didn’t feel constrained in voicing her opposition to it.

“I stand for what’s right in the community and if that’s the outcome, I’m at peace with it. The community comes first and I stand up for what’s right.”

However, chamber officials say Frentzen placed herself in a position of a conflict of interest by not checking with the board before signing the letter, since as president she is the face of the chamber.

Laurel Brent-Bumb, CEO of the county chamber, said there was an incompatibility of offices with Frentzen trying to represent both the chamber and the Cameron Park CSD.

She said when Frentzen was offered the opportunity to resign rather than be removed, Frentzen remained adamant in her position. She was subsequently removed in a unanimous vote of the board.

Brent-Bumb said the chamber is now in the process of changing its bylaws so people aren’t allowed to serve as an elected member of two boards at the same time to avoid those kinds of conflicts in the future.

“It was a difficult decision,” said Brent-Bumb, “because she’s a very committed community member. She will continue as a valued and respected member of the board, just no longer as an officer.”

Contact Dawn Hodson at 530-344-5071 or dhodson@mtdemocrat.net. Follow @DHodsonMtDemo on Twitter.

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  • BrendaJuly 16, 2013 - 4:55 pm

    Hopefully the CP CSD takes the Chambers lead and gets rid of this baffoon! Ask just about anyone that Shiva has worked with and you will probably get the same response...the lady is as dull as lead and about as thick!

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  • Judith MathatJuly 16, 2013 - 5:34 pm

    De ja vu, some people never learn, MPG vs VIP, Money Power Greed vs Values Integrity Principles will come back to haunt those who do not understand the truth and importance of serving in a public capacity. Seems rampant throughout El Dorado County and many elected offices throughout the country, local, state and national.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 16, 2013 - 6:21 pm

    Bill Center buddy booted? OK!

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  • ConcernedJuly 16, 2013 - 11:35 pm

    If Shiva was so concerned with doing the right thing for Cameron Park why did she vote to screw the people out of tax money that was rightfully theirs? Why was she the lone bote to allow profanity at board meetings with children present? It must be a cultural thing!

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  • Gerald LillpopJuly 17, 2013 - 9:03 am

    What money did she screw the people out of? If you are talking about the writ Cameron Park lost that battle and both Shiva and current board president Greg Stanton voted to end it and stop throwing good money after bad. As to profanity give us the date and time Shiva voted to allow profanity. If you weren't so ignorant of the facts you would know that the board voted 5 to 0 to ban profanity at CSD meetings while Shiva was board president. But why let facts stand in the way of a good rant, right Concerned.

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  • Recall FrentzenJuly 16, 2013 - 11:42 pm

    This is the same Shiva who payed for Ray Nuttings web site for to get him re-elected! Birds of a feather! She needs to go!

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  • Alin FrentzenJuly 17, 2013 - 8:53 am

    In response to Brenda, who wrote: "Hopefully the CP CSD takes the Chambers lead and gets rid of this baffoon! Ask just about anyone that Shiva has worked with and you will probably get the same response…the lady is as dull as lead and about as thick!" Baffoon? Do you mean b-U-f-f-o-o-n, Brenda? Have you spoken with anyone who works with Shiva? "Dull" is probably the last adjective they would ever use to describe her. Furthermore, "dull as lead" makes no sense unless you're alluding to Wainright's "dull as a lead nickel." Even then it's a stretch.... Also, is lead thick? I think you need work on your mean metaphors. The half-witted rant above makes about as much sense as a screen door on a submarine.

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  • Gerald LillpopJuly 17, 2013 - 9:05 am

    Hey Recall Shiva I'll be looking for you in front of Safeway soon.

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  • Don't screw with the BonerJuly 17, 2013 - 2:45 am

    EDC Chamber member Kirk Bone of Parker Development said "off with her head! To heck with what the citizens of Cameron Park want, I'm King Kirk, and you're not!"

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  • Susie O.July 17, 2013 - 8:08 am

    I don't know Shiva or her politics, and that doesn't matter to me. I DO know that the Chamber and Laurel Brent-Bumb are VERY pro-developer and very politically biased. A reason that MY business will never join the Chamber.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 17, 2013 - 8:19 am

    CHAMBER OF COMMERCE PRO COMMERCE? How very strange! Susie, you imply that your business is AGAINST COMMERCE. I have to ask, Susie, why is your commerce good and that other commerce bad?

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  • Gerald LillpopJuly 17, 2013 - 9:56 am

    Why is it that the only commerce we should consider in this county is building more houses? How is it the Chamber of Commerce business to weigh in on what is acceptable commerce and what isn’t? If any of you had been at the Parker Development presentations on Marble Valley and Lime Rock you would know that they are going from a proposed 380 housing units to over 4,000. This is a significant change and deserves to be carefully considered. What Shiva has done is ask for the board to have hearings on the changes to the general plan that Parker Development is requesting. As to pro commerce why isn’t the Chamber going to San Jose and poaching research and development jobs? Jobs aren’t commerce?

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 17, 2013 - 10:25 am

    Gerald, name the development project that does not include commercial/industry/business. You can’t.

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  • Gerald LillpopJuly 17, 2013 - 11:07 am

    OK Marble Valley will have limited retail. You got me Phil now how about the Chamber and the County going after some real jobs with real pay and benefits? And Phil do you live in Cameron Park or El Dorado Hills? Will you be affected by the changes to the master plan that is being proposed? As to industrial I was at the meeting that Parker Development had about the proposed changes and there was nothing about industry/business in the proposal except some vague reference to retail shops. Phil were you at any of the meetings Parker Development has had about Marble Valley? How closely are you following this?

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  • FranJuly 17, 2013 - 8:31 am

    Susie O...you are right about very Pro-development!!!!!! All one has to do--is follow her name...interesting circle of people.

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  • FranJuly 17, 2013 - 8:34 am

    Phil...pro development...and business is part of the problem right now...they are forgetting the consumer at some of these meetings. Build and they will come...their collective marketing ideas are sometimes a wee bit strange...

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  • FranJuly 17, 2013 - 8:38 am

    But as we already decided...bring on the bunnies--and some rich will follow...maybe dropping golden eggs along the way to Nevada...who knows. I have been at a few chamber meetings up and down the hill now--chambers are from the recommended list to gather in advisory broads. Some take it seriously. At one of those meetings--yet another person said that I would be perfect for marketing ideas...and gathering a crowd. lolol.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 17, 2013 - 8:54 am

    Fran, my simple pea brain tells me that the venue for PRO commerce/development ought rightfully to be . . . hold on . . . THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE Anti growth anti commerce folk have MULTIPLE venues available to retard growth and commerce - EPA - Air resources - yellow leg toads - litigation - NIMBYS - AND ON AND ON AND ON THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE is probably a little outnumbered. Let the Chamber BE the Chamber - PRO Commerce

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  • Huh?July 17, 2013 - 8:59 am

    I am unaware of any business person opposed to the growth of their business. It follows that more people brings more opportunities for businesses at a whole host of levels. These groups tend to be more conservative which is Susie's real issue. Next, it is hard to fathom a no-growth person as President or even in their "marketing" arm. The development debate was not started by the Chamber and is not the Chamber's issue to resolve. Less white noise and more facts please....

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  • Foaming at the MouthJuly 17, 2013 - 9:10 am

    Hey Huh - this is a proud fact-free zone. White noise is our specialty. Love it or leave it, huh?

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  • Alin FrentzenAlin FrentzenJuly 17, 2013 - 9:12 am

    In response to Recall Frentzen, who wrote: “This is the same Shiva who payed for Ray Nuttings web site for to get him re-elected! Birds of a feather! She needs to go!” She "payed" or "paid"? I paid attention in school, but not everyone does. Looks like someone is paying for it now.... You're claiming Shiva "payed (sic) for Ray Nuttings (sic) web site," huh? Alin Frentzen, a.k.a. NHBVALC (Not Hiding Behind the Veil of Anonymity Like a Coward)

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  • GiveMeABreakJuly 17, 2013 - 9:23 am

    Seems like yesterday when Bill Center and Parker Development were in bed together. What‘s up with that? Shiva is a casualty of that falling out. Having observed this county for 3 decades, I have seen no one more political then Bill Center. I think Shiva made a serious mistake aligning with Moore & Center. Her position would have been more credible without an association with those guys.

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  • Angela FrentzenJuly 17, 2013 - 9:32 am

    The fact of the matter is that Shiva stood up for a PRO BUSINESS view amongst individuals who were only worried about prematurely expanding beyond the current capacity of Cameron Park to fill their pockets. Wether or not you agree with Shiva's viewpoint on the issue, you have to admit that sending such a letter out is no grounds for dismissing a president. One must also note the developer's presence on the Camber board. "Follow the money." Why was he allowed to kick someone off the board who was against his proposal "as stated?" Truth is, Shiva wasn't swayed by the politics of the Chamber Board. She stood up for what she believed would best protect Cameron Park, and she got ousted from her seat because the board played a political game and favored the people with money and power. Doesn't that sound like more corruption than a woman who had the courage to stand up against great political adversity for what she believed? Shiva knew her position would be controversial, but she had faith in the decency of the boards she served on. She had faith that they would respect her opinion rather than playing a political game.

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  • FranJuly 17, 2013 - 9:48 am

    Phil--what happened to the frogs any way? As far as a business...I have watched their marketing techniques further "kill" a business than help it along in many instances...one should never forget the consumer. Prices keep inching up...many cant pay...as you said the poor will get poorer...and the rich--well it doesnt matter. I am for business...I am also a consumer...it should be a balance. Good for standing up for what one believes in...even if one may stand alone. Many have said they would like a Mc donalds w/play area up here in Pollock--why not...a cup of coffee would be cheaper than most places are charging now--and it would bring people into town off the freeway...people need to make up their minds. We have a real winter--ice/snow...cold temps--putting more on Pony up near Safeway is just not thinking...I suppose because I fell on ice--lost the ability to walk and use my hands...that i am looking from a different perspective. People fight now during the winter when people get off the hwy--wait until developers bring in more...lololol Business. Billboards. Mc Donald s. High density near expressways--yep--thats the ticket.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 17, 2013 - 10:17 am

    Gerald, name the development project that does not include commercial/industry/business. You can't.

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  • Rural RedJuly 17, 2013 - 12:29 pm

    Phil, Let's play your game..... Can you tell me what these large developments contribute to commercial/industry/business in El Dorado County? That's right...not much. The lumber, materials and infrastructure comes from companies out of our county (except some from your family name). The majority of the labor does as well. Most (not all) people I know that work in construction pack therir own meals. So where is all the commercial/business revenue coming from? It's a sugar pill and temporary "commerce" at best...only someone elses economy gets the benefits. Rural Red

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 17, 2013 - 12:51 pm

    Please . . . your source for KNOWING that zero industry can be lured to the commercial zones within these developments??? Please . . . your source for supporting your implication that Cousin Doug's employees are undeserving of jobs? Please . . . your source backing up your assertion that lunch boxes are packed by the lunch box fairy?

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  • FranJuly 17, 2013 - 10:21 am

    I think it is interesting that huge companies became number one--without the internet. Maybe someone went out and asked the consumer what they would like...product--production--jobs--more people--housing--development. At times it seems we are doing it backwards...

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  • Recall FrentzenJuly 17, 2013 - 2:37 pm

    I know facts aren't your strong suit Gerald but Shiva was the 'ONLY' yes vote to allow profanity! Because I know your challenged thats 4-1. Interesting to see whose names are lining up supporting this hack! Where is Babs ir Billy boy? Here's another fact for you uncle festus: Shiva's company had a contract with the county when she voted to not sue the county. Think about that while your hanging upside down!

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  • Rural RedJuly 17, 2013 - 2:42 pm

    Eaaaasy now.....your starting to sound a little liberal in your attack line of questioning. First of all, ZERO industry....never draw a hard line. The world is flexible and I made no mention of the COC's inability to draft a means to lure big business TO El Dorado County. Ooops I just did. Next, Cousin Doug's workers must be deserving of jobs or they wouldn't be employed. Again, nothing I implied, just a statement of fact that Veerkamp contributes to some commerce in EDC. The lunch box faries are usually pretty proud to be making their husbands lunches since they are not highly paid enough to eat out every day. Personal friends if you must have a source. So Please,....and Thank you.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 17, 2013 - 3:06 pm

    Red, are you concerned at all for all of Cousin Doug's laid off and reduced hours guys and gals? . . . doesn't sound like it.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 17, 2013 - 3:06 pm

    bump

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  • Recall FrentzenJuly 17, 2013 - 3:18 pm

    As usual Gerald you never allow facts to get in the way of your rants. You have been outed twice just in this blog as to not knowing what the heck your talking about. FACT: Shiva was the lone vote to ALLOW profanity! FACT:Shiva's company had a contract with county DOT while she voted not to sue the same county that she was profiting from....on the backs of the people she had sworn to protect! You think Nuttings bad, Shiva is as crooked as they come ...here or Iran

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  • Jim RiordanJuly 17, 2013 - 4:40 pm

    Frankly, I could not believe visiting the Chamber website and seeing how top heavy it is with developers. And PG&E who already threatens rolling blackouts from too much power usage. Where are all the actual business owners who wish to bring more local business their way? Instead we have home builders who wish to destroy our semi-rural environment while building boxes for consumers who WILL go downhill to buy stuff anyway? They are even thinking about a shopping center at Bass lake rd. and hwy.50??. Come on! WAY more traffic and the destruction of the rural look. Nice. And actually, It does bother me that the majority of the "commerce" in this Chamber of "commerce" are top heavy with developers and those who support developers. At least I will know whom to thank when there will not be enough water or electrical power left for everyone. Thousands of new homes and shopping centers? Come on, get serious. Go build in another County! You know, one with sufficient water and power - lest we existing homeowners all be forced to use bottled water to bathe by candle light. What a sick joke on all of us.

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  • Huh?July 17, 2013 - 11:36 pm

    Checked out the CoC website and found two Board members that are developers. That is 2 out of 13. I guess I missed the top heavy with developers part of that Board composition. http://www.eldoradocounty.org/board.html

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  • Rural RedJuly 17, 2013 - 5:15 pm

    Oh I feel for them. I'm on furlough myself right now. Welcome to corporate/State survival in America. But I'd rather tighten my belt then take a dump in someone else’s backyard for a short term gain. I just wish the Chamber would give a good hard look at economic development across the board and bring sustainable tax dollars to our county rather than rooftops for property taxes and the bunged up transportation that follows.

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  • sunshineJuly 17, 2013 - 5:41 pm

    There are a lot of people that are right in their comments and I never though I'd be agreeing with Riodan. But this is not about subdivisions. This is about a governing board on all chambers, at the most 10 people, making decisions for the membership without polling them. Next, this is a power play by the development community telling the residents "YOU DON'T COUNT". We control the county and this is a "SLAP DOWN" to all of you. Don't get out of line or we will , like Shiva, take you out. To all the members of all the Chambers, I will ask, when I shop, if you are a member. If you are I will not shop with you.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 17, 2013 - 5:56 pm

    Sunshine, "She will continue as a valued and respected member of the board, just no longer as an officer.” Sunshine, this is hardly a "take out"! Please please Sunshine, come back to members of the COC - PRETTY PLEASE?

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 17, 2013 - 6:05 pm

    "take out" = LINK - Sicarii

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 17, 2013 - 5:56 pm

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  • Barbara RogersJuly 17, 2013 - 11:17 pm

    I am sick of the attacks on Shiva Frentzen for standing up against more development. I live in Cameron Park, where are all the cars going to go people? For those of you who are lucky enough to live up the hill, how dare you even get on this site and attack Shiva or anyone else for that matter who lives in Cameron Park who is against 3 huge development projects in our area? I get on Hwy 50 five time a week and drive west, how many of you do that? I don't want huge developments. I challenge all of you to come to Cameron Park and attempt to drive through the intersections of Cameron Park Drive and Coach Lane. It is horrendous. It is especially bad when cars are turning left from Coach Lane onto Cameron Park Drive and they are in the wrong lane to get onto the freeway. I am tired of a small number of people who sit on these boards making decisions without asking me first. We are the taxpayers, we need to stop them. Our voices can be heard if we stand together and fight. For the record, Shiva never noted to allow profanity, so quit lying. We are now video taping the CP board meetings to prove that we are right. One word of caution, Scott McNeil is planning to run for Briggs' seat next year. Do not vote for him people, do not. He is part of the corruption.

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  • Sue TaylorJuly 18, 2013 - 5:15 am

    You are right about the Chamber being pro-mega development while milking benefits provided by the taxpayer. Laurel Brent-Bumb, Chamber CEO, is at the Board of Supervisors every week to lobby for developers and for General Plan policies that support urban type growth. She was a champion for eliminating the Agricultural buffers for Ag properties inside or bordering the county’s urban growth lines. Soon you will find that Agricultural zoning will not even be allowed within those growth boundary lines once the General Plan overhaul is completed, (another process being pushed by the chamber). When Leonard Grado proposed to put a strip mall across from Herbert Green, which would cause a detrimental traffic hazard to the school, Laurel was there with a poster board saying how many jobs will be provided with the strip mall. Vicki Barber wrote a letter favoring the developer over the safety of the children. The chamber is also a huge lobbyist for the mega-hotels. (The Chamber manages some of the programs that run off of the hotel tax.) The County rents the Chamber their building for a $1.00 a year plus the Chamber gets many other county perks. Why anyone in small business would be a member of this Chamber is beyond me. It is like when Parker Development got on the Builders Exchange and then proceeded to pretty much take out the small builder. Also why does Sierra Pacific Industries sit on this board? What are they doing for our county except extracting our resources, stressing our roads and exporting logs to be milled in Lincoln? They have been tearing down the Mill, and I was just told that the site is now being managed by their real estate division. Great. I don’t know Shiva, but congratulations on your step up and for having the guts to stand up for your community.

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  • EvelynJuly 18, 2013 - 5:56 am

    The Chamber's Brent-Bumb never -- underscore NEVER -- takes a position at variance with the Board of Supervisors. Good? Bad? You decide. But questioning & analysis of County policy are not her thing. Brent-Bumb is a rubber stamp for whatever is going down. The Chamber, massively dependent upon County funding, almost certainly would be in a pretty pickle were they ever to show any sign of independence.

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  • EvelynJuly 18, 2013 - 6:04 am

    Barbara Rogers' comment @ July 17, 2013 at 11:17 pm (above) should be noted. The intersection she mentions is horrendous even when NOT during commute. What do traffic impact studies show about the effect of Parker's proposed development?

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  • Jim RiordanJuly 18, 2013 - 11:02 am

    This talk about business development and "economic development" sounds tragically "funny" to me in a sick sort of way. Typically a "housing boom" follows a need for warm bodies to fill Jobs. What I am seeing is the exact opposite. All the jobs are down hill folks, not uphill. The only economic growth this County will see is from more property taxes, supporting more bureaucrats (YUK) while we residents bear the burden of more dense traffic everywhere, way more smog and haze,and most importantly WATER RATIONING for all and more PG&E "rotating outages," blackouts etc. (I heard someone say that PG&E stands for Pacific Graft and Extortion, but of course that isn't true is it?) So tell us PG&E, and EID when we keep hearing you whine about saving energy and water so that you have enough to supply those of us already here, and already in place, HOW are you going to supply the power and water for thousands of new homes and God knows how many residents? How?? Sure you both would like to see all the new meters for power and water. . . but what is your plan for delivering uninterrupted power and water to all those new meters while still providing us with what we are paying dearly for? And AGAIN, where is the water going to come from when all the Valley folk and in my opinion, ignorant, arrogant and useless CA politicians want to send more down south, who apparently deserve more than those of us at "the source". You developers want to build something? Build the Auburn Dam which could supply both water and power. I fly over that river gorge all the time and I can tell you that Dam could be one of the largest water storage facilities in Northern California. But no, you loonies want rooftops first and water and power later. So, please tell us, which one is the big lie? You cannot supply enough water and power now? Or you have enough of both to support all these new rooftops. one of them has to be a lie right?

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 18, 2013 - 11:09 am

    Jim, here is the water plan. LINK - •2013 Integrated Water Resources Master Plan PDF thumbnail 210 - document page 196

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  • EvelynJuly 18, 2013 - 6:08 am

    FINALLY: Ex post facto laws/regulations are so very handy.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 18, 2013 - 6:59 am

    Sue, you seem cross, irritated and somewhat out-of-sorts and perhaps confused over the proposition that developers, hotels, motels, realtors, retailers, gas stations, nurseries, contractors, butchers, bakers and candlestick makers have an unabashed advocate called the Chamber of Commerce. By definition, Sue, that's what they do!!! They had a president who was advocating AGAINST elements of commerce. They replaced their president.

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  • FranJuly 18, 2013 - 8:02 am

    I am curious if the membership was polled on this action? Technically it is all the members that run the chambers and selects its representatives. As well as dismisses them.

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  • EvelynJuly 18, 2013 - 8:16 am

    "Chamber Champions" (major $$$ donors) PG&E, Sierra Pacific Industries, Mt. Democrat, Waste Connections, Wells Fargo Bank, AT&T and Parker Development all expect something for their money. Gas stations, nurseries, butchers, bakers & candlestick makers are unrepresented. Lockstep support of development is good for the developer and certainly promotes gridlock traffic. Cameron Park residents needing to work for a living should all become telecommuters. When they absolutely MUST drive, find a way to avoid the Coach Lane /Cameron Park Dr. intersection. The same applies to those going to and from Cameron Park Marshall Medical facilities.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 18, 2013 - 9:36 am

    Damn! How careless of me to throw in a metaphor. It is absolutely true that metaphors go unrepresented at the Chamber of Commerce. For the literal truthers I offer a short list of small businesses represented at COC. DSW - shoes, sandals, handbags for men, women & children Breaker Glass - (***** recommendation) Koby Pest Control The Wine Smith - "The Wine Smith is often described as the “Cheers” of Placerville" Rainbow Orchards - http://www.applehill.com/CP12_pdf/CP12_03.pdf So while the literal truth of the butcher, baker and candlestick maker representation at the chamber is properly debunked, it is incorrect to assert that only big business pays for and expects AND RECEIVES advocacy from the CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. PS - The notion that goods, services and advocacy are not expected in exchange for "$$$" really ought not be a foreign, sinister, venal, shady and corrupt concept.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 18, 2013 - 9:36 am

    "-"

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  • EvelynJuly 18, 2013 - 9:39 am

    It's interesting that in terminating Frentzen as President the Chamber cites conflict of interest. If Frentzen had co-signed a letter supporting Parker Development, would there have been a fracas? Probably not. Parker Development's Kirk Bone, Chamber Board member, probably would have found no "conflict". He who pays the piper calls the tune. BTW: Last year 54% of the Chamber's $568,834 reported revenue came from government agencies. Their virtually rent-free building ($1 pa from the County) is just a little something extra. Point is: It's not just business that supports the Chamber. Those are our tax $$$s at work.

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  • Kathleen NewellJuly 18, 2013 - 9:41 am

    CEDAC MEETING TODAY 7/18 AT 1PM ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT - OPEN TO THE PUBLIC - GET INVOLVED El Dorado County Executive Leadership Roundtable Growing Your Economy & Creating Jobs OES Conference Room, 330 Fair Lane, Building A, Placerville, CA 95667 Partners PG&E, the California Association of Local Economic Development (CALED) and the County of El Dorado have partnered to conduct an Executive Leadership Roundtable on Growing Your Local Economy and Creating Jobs. This Leadership Roundtable is meant to facilitate a discussion among community leaders about economic development; and to discuss what can be done to create a positive business climate that promotes business investment and job development in El Dorado County. Why An educational workshop to support local economic development efforts by sharing the broad picture message on the mechanics and value of economic development; and to share current local, regional and statewide economic development issues and best practices. You will also hear about your current local economic development activity. Agenda 1:15pm Check-in, Lunch & Networking Sponsored by PG&E 1:45pm Welcome & Opening Remarks PG&E – Josh Townsend, Economic Development Manager El Dorado County – Kim Kerr, Assistant CAO 1:55pm State and Local Trends in Economic Development CALED – Gurbax Sahota, President/CEO, CALED GO-Biz – Mather Kearney, Asst. Deputy Director PG&E – Josh Townsend El Dorado County – Kim Kerr 2:55pm Round Table Discussion: Local and Regional Tools & Tactics, Metrics for Evaluating Economic Development El Dorado County – Kim Kerr PG&E – Josh Townsend and Mark Nava CALED – Gurbax Sahota Go-Biz – Mather Kearney Local ED Leaders – All 3:45pm Closing Comments and Adjourn Kim Kerr Josh Townsend

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  • EvelynJuly 18, 2013 - 9:50 am

    Some things are guaranteed "newsworthy" Richard Esposito (Mt Dem) is the Chamber's VP.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 18, 2013 - 10:18 am

    how sinister! - - - insert scary music here - - - Esposito - - - oh my the local paper is prominently represented - - - insert more scary music - - -

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  • Foaming at the MouthJuly 18, 2013 - 10:00 am

    Hey, Sue, is the paint company going to paint your derelict building uglying up Main Street? Or is it too unsafe to have workers up against those walls. So glad you are "saving" this eyesore for my enjoyment.

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  • Sue TaylorJuly 18, 2013 - 10:18 am

    Mike.. I mean Foaming..I don't know, the Paint Company has not talked to us. And you are welcome for us working to save the building.

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  • EvelynJuly 18, 2013 - 10:45 am

    Scary music not rqd! Just understand: News coverage and public perception is tied to vested interests, what does or does not get reported and how it is portrayed. The media giveth and the media taketh away. Careful which end you are on.

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  • EvelynJuly 18, 2013 - 10:51 am

    There seems to be lack of clarity about what the paint company actually is painting. Last night someone said building trim only. Someone else said the first story of multi-story buildings will be painted, with the remainder for building owners to provide. Foaming: Do you know the actual terms?

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 18, 2013 - 10:56 am

    define "vested interests" DSW – shoes, sandals, handbags for men, women & children Breaker Glass – (***** recommendation) Koby Pest Control The Wine Smith – “The Wine Smith is often described as the “Cheers” of Placerville” Rainbow Orchards – http://www.applehill.com/CP12_pdf/CP12_03.pdf illuminati? Must big boys submit to the tyranny of small boys? - - - social justice? - - - fair? Must success submit to mediocre? Must doers submit to the peanut gallery? Heavens! The notion that big business ought to have a small voice is . . . uh . . . well . . . small.

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  • Foaming at the MouthJuly 18, 2013 - 11:07 am

    Evelyn - all I know is what I read in the paper. That's what makes me so well-informed. Sue - who's Mike? And what happened to beginning construction at the beginning of 2013? Could it be it's not as easy as you thought?

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  • James E.July 18, 2013 - 11:10 am

    PG&E has always had the highest rates, even when I was a boy.

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  • Jim RiordanJuly 18, 2013 - 11:11 am

    This talk about business development and “economic development” sounds tragically “funny” to me in a sick sort of way. Typically a “housing boom” follows a need for warm bodies to fill Jobs. What I am seeing is the exact opposite. All the jobs are down hill folks, not uphill. The only economic growth this County will see is from more property taxes, supporting more bureaucrats (YUK) while we residents bear the burden of more dense traffic everywhere, way more smog and haze,and most importantly WATER RATIONING for all and more PG&E “rotating outages,” blackouts etc. (I heard someone say that PG&E stands for Pacific Graft and Extortion, but of course that isn’t true is it?) So tell us PG&E, and EID when we keep hearing you whine about saving energy and water so that you have enough to supply those of us already here, and already in place, HOW are you going to supply the power and water for thousands of new homes and God knows how many residents? How?? Sure you both would like to see all the new meters for power and water. . . but what is your plan for delivering uninterrupted power and water to all those new meters while still providing us with what we are paying dearly for? And AGAIN, where is the water going to come from when all the Valley folk and in my opinion, ignorant, arrogant and useless CA politicians want to send more down south, who apparently deserve more than those of us at “the source”. You developers want to build something? Build the Auburn Dam which could supply both water and power. I fly over that river gorge all the time and I can tell you that Dam could be one of the largest water storage facilities in Northern California. But no, you loonies want rooftops first and water and power later. So, please tell us, which one is the big lie? You cannot supply enough water and power now? Or you have enough of both to support all these new rooftops. one of them has to be a lie right?

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 18, 2013 - 11:30 am

    Jim - water here - LINK - •2013 Integrated Water Resources Master Plan PDF thumbnail - 210 - document page 196

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  • Jim RiordanJuly 18, 2013 - 12:19 pm

    Phil I agree with you on many things . .Reading the document you cited (thank you) provides WAY too many dependencies and "alternatives" which, when combined, I am never comfortable with and, frankly, consider them to be alternate "dreams" with far too many "iffy" contingencies such as "Alternate storage areas" which are yet to be determined. I like you and your brother, but I have not one iota of trust in EID, PGE or "Development alternatives". I like development "REALITIES" and I did not see any of those on my first fast review of the page you mentioned and the section which included the page. Smoke and mirrors is what I smell Phil.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 18, 2013 - 12:50 pm

    Jim, background info LINK - EID report points to White Rock tap

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  • EvelynJuly 18, 2013 - 11:13 am

    VESTED INTERESTS: 1. A personal stake or involvement in an undertaking or state of affairs, esp. one with an expectation of financial gain. 2. A person or group having such a personal stake or involvement. Parker Development had a vested interest in removing Shiva Frentzen. Shiva Frentzen was not allowed a voice independent of Parker's development interests. If Shiva Frentzen had supported Parker Development no "conflict of interest" would have deemed?

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 18, 2013 - 11:25 am

    Surely you must have heard this simple truism - If you mess with the bull you get the horn. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Z2WZrxuwDhs#t=113s

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 18, 2013 - 11:42 am

    ~~~"Shiva Frentzen was not allowed a voice independent of Parker’s development interests.~~~ Shiva Frentzen still has her voice independent of Parker’s development interests. The only thing that Shiva has suffered is a lightening of her curriculum vitae.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 18, 2013 - 11:26 am

    nudge

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  • switched at birth?July 18, 2013 - 11:52 am

    Phil's serial inane responses to his own comments suggest irreversible mental derangement. He brings to mind such movie classics as "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" or "A Beautiful Mind". So is he REALLY a Veerkamp? Or is he really Randle McMurphy or, perhaps, John Nash? Given Phil's perennial nastiness, my money says he's really Nurse Ratched.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 18, 2013 - 12:03 pm

    switched, Is this the one that offends your sensibilities? (BTW I WAS separated at birth. Steve Martin is my twin) - ========================= (@ Evelyn) ~~~“Shiva Frentzen was not allowed a voice independent of Parker’s development interests.~~~ Shiva Frentzen still has her voice independent of Parker’s development interests. The only thing that Shiva has suffered is a lightening of her curriculum vitae.

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  • EvelynJuly 18, 2013 - 12:20 pm

    Lost in most of this discussion has been the central point: Parker Development proposes building 4,035 homes on 3,100 acres, land zoned for 5 to 20-acre parcels. Parker will need a County-approved land rezoning. The letter co-signed by Shiva Frentzen in her capacity as Cameron Park Community Services Director ‘urged residents to lobby the El Dorado County Board of Supervisors to schedule an advisory vote on the project as soon as possible to give Cameron Park residents “a voice in the plan.”’ THAT THEY DEFINITELY SHOULD DO. Absent their united representation to the Board of Supervisors, et al, they will be facing a future they hadn’t bargained for. Developers have been through this before. They know how to work the system. ********* I do not know Shiva Frentzen, have never met her, and have no ties to ANY of the players.

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  • every family has oneJuly 18, 2013 - 12:22 pm

    Sixty-nine years old and Phil Veerkamp still has the self-discipline of a two year old. At family get-to-gethers whoever slips up and tells Phil the location has to sit with him. GHASTLY PUNISHMENT!

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  • James E.July 18, 2013 - 12:29 pm

    Phil is sixty-nine?

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 18, 2013 - 12:32 pm

    yes :(

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  • James E.July 18, 2013 - 12:33 pm

    Phil, or if you walk with elephants you will get stepped on.

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  • James E.July 18, 2013 - 12:37 pm

    Phil, one more year and you will be a certified 'old fa*t.' I first heard the phrase at the Army & Navy Country Club in Alexandria, Virginia, while having lunch. I commented about how the club was filled with old guys -- I was told it's the 'old fa*t' club. And, now 30 years later, I am one, and Phil to follow shortly.

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  • Jim RiordanJuly 18, 2013 - 12:41 pm

    Phil I agree with you on many things . .Reading the document you cited (thank you) provides WAY too many dependencies and "alternatives" which, when combined, I am never comfortable with and, frankly, consider them to be alternate "dreams" with far too many "iffy" contingencies such as "Alternate storage areas" which are yet to be determined. I like you and your brother, but I have not one iota of trust in EID, PGE or "Development alternatives". I like development "REALITIES" and I did not see any of those on my first fast review of the page you mentioned and the section which included the page. Smoke and mirrors is what I smell Phil.

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  • EvelynJuly 18, 2013 - 12:47 pm

    Ahhhhhhhhh . . . we seem to have reached agreement. In my first comment (5:56 am) I wrote: The Chamber, massively dependent upon County funding, almost certainly would be in a pretty pickle were they ever to show any sign of independence. 3.5 hours later, Phil wrote: If you mess with the bull you get the horn. I rest my case!

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 18, 2013 - 12:47 pm

    Jim, here is some background on the White Rock Penstock SMUD supply - LINK - EID report points to White Rock tap

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  • Jim RiordanJuly 18, 2013 - 1:45 pm

    Phil, thanks. I read that article/document as well, yet my takeaway was that there will big fights over that water and all the electricity appears to be already accounted for (or minimal at best) unless all new facilities are built which was not until 2025??. Also it is troubling to me that this is the last facility downstream and you can bet the delta smelters and flatlanders will fight to death for that water and they have all the worthless bureaucrats including the useless, in my opinion, tree and valley-farmer-hugging "Governor" on their side. Sorry bud but I just do not see any firm Realities or proof that any of this new proposed development comes with any GUARANTEES of water and power to support it. You can take their projections and use them for toilet paper as far as I am concerned. Again, just too many dependencies, with all of our Cameron Park Residents being left with promises and you know the old saying, "wish in one hand and crap in the other" and see which one gets filled first". I just do not believe any of them Phil and I see no "guarantees" anywhere, just projections, alternatives, yada, yada. All BS as far as I am concerned. I would not want to see approvals for any of this until I see written guarantees of OUR water and POWER remaining as is and with penalties against any new developments that would cut off their water and power first, if all these worthless projections and promises fall through. Are the Developers willing to do that? Yeah right!.

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  • EvelynJuly 18, 2013 - 12:49 pm

    Gotta be quick! Above to read: "4.5 hours later"

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  • James E.July 18, 2013 - 1:10 pm

    Mr. Fred to his cancer doctor -- be back later.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 18, 2013 - 2:50 pm

    Jim, in 2050, absent ECD growth, PG&E's demand will be X. And in 2050, with ECD growth, PG&E's demand will be X. In the event of no development then the future PG&E load for San Stino, Marble Valley et al will be shifted rather than averted. PG&E's future electricity load will be independent of EDC land use. I accept on faith that PG&E has an eye to the future. If EDC loses its water to SoCal through failure of local "beneficial use" we exacerbate electricity availability problems. The Edmonston Pumping Plant lifts water 1926 feet up and over the Tehachapi Mountains. It is already California's largest electricity burner. If we forfeit our water it will amount to increasing PG&E future load. Your strategy, Jim, does not mitigate our electric future. It forever removes the growth option. Some prefer this outcome - outsiders are promoting your option. I guarantee this. After we forfeit our water there will be rationing. And future commenters on this forum will recall the gift to SoCal.

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  • Jim RiordanJuly 18, 2013 - 4:08 pm

    Love to talk with you about that sometime Phil. I would like to learn more about that tie-in. Interesting.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 18, 2013 - 9:02 pm

    Jim - pmv777@comcast.net

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 18, 2014 - 4:28 pm

    Annoyed...this Frentzen?

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 18, 2014 - 4:33 pm

    “The county needs more jobs — not rooftops,” said the letter. “The county should be planning to use our remaining Highway 50 road capacity for new job projects — not large housing projects with even more commuters.” (Frentzen) seems she wants jobs--not more roof tops. And it is the chamber that backs development. Interesting. I went to Last years business walk in Pollock...someone suggested flowers in front of business...I watched the deer eat the ones by ship n shape...deer have to eat. People are supporting jobs...just not closed down meetings...and economic groups waving false numbers around. It needs to be on the ballot for everyone to decide. We have vacant lots-- and empty buildings.

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