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From page A1 | February 19, 2014 | 85 Comments

A California Department of Fish and Wildlife warden was shot the evening of Feb. 14 but has since been released from the hospital.

Warden Bob Pera, 35, of Placerville, was observing two hunters while on patrol outside of Georgetown after dark, between 8 and 9 p.m., said Lt. Patrick Foy of the DFW.

“Typically,” Foy said, wardens will “make initial observations, to see what hunters are doing,” he said, usually observing for a few minutes. While Pera, who has been with the DFW for 11 years, was observing, a shot was fired. Pera was hit in the hand and neck. It was later found his K9 unit, Ruger, was also injured somehow and was having trouble with its shoulder.

It took a bit of effort to guide other wardens to him, Foy said, as Pera was in a rural area with dirt roads. He was transported to Sutter Roseville Medical Center where he had surgeries on his hand and neck.

The officer-involved shooting is being investigated, as a matter of standard procedure, by an outside agency. In this case, Foy said, it is the El Dorado County Sheriff’s Office who is investigating. Foy said he was impressed with EDSO’s handling of the investigation.

Pera was released from the hospital Sunday evening. “He’s doing much better,” Foy said.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 18, 2014 - 11:49 am

    The economy MUST be getting better if we have a budget for 24/7 game wardens.

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  • Pat SnellingFebruary 18, 2014 - 12:21 pm

    Game Wardens are the lowest paid in Law Enforcement. Yet, they work alone, deep in the most rural areas in the state, to face people with guns and knives. They are some of the BRAVEST -- I pray that both Bob and Ruger will heal quickly and come back to work soon. Thank you both for your work.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 18, 2014 - 1:07 pm

    Pat, I'm sure you're right. Is my prejudice showing? My prejudice goes back to the '70s when Kenny Ball was patrolling private farm ponds. As you know ANY BODY of water with fish falls into state jurisdiction. Kenny was claiming and asserting the right to enter private property without even a knock on the door. I didn't challenge his authority to check for fishing licenses and such but I asserted my right to protect my property from noxious weed seed, cattle parasites and diseases that he may have encountered and inadvertently carry onto our property. I set up a "decontamination protocol" for Kenny. I insisted that he first submit to inspection and decontamination prior to entering the property. Kenny went away.

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  • Pat SnellingFebruary 19, 2014 - 11:52 am

    Kenny was a rogue cop. Every force has at least one, just ask D'Agostini. I talked to Lt. Foy many times and even talked with, now retired, Terry Hodges out of Chico. They put their lives on the line, especially up north in Humboldt county.

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  • cookie65February 19, 2014 - 4:54 am

    Still not a shred of information on what happened. Another source said the "hunters" remained with the game warden until help arrived.

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  • You BetFebruary 19, 2014 - 7:15 am

    Tresspassing ?.... Power tripping Over stepping Government. A-holes. Right up there with the U.S.FS. Nazis. Get a warrant !!!

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  • rodFebruary 19, 2014 - 9:53 am

    California is now completely fixated on revenue... more tickets more money. just like the CHP tripled their ticket writers in the last three years... it had nothing to do with "safety improvements".. Wardens are after the money too. The USFS finally figured out how to fund themselves better by establishing the "law enforcement" arm. In this TERRIBLE economy more rural folks are depending on natural resources... a natural outcome. Last I heard deer are not on the 'endangered species' list, cars certainly kill the vast majority of deer. As the economy continues its death spiral, more and more folks will depend on these sources of sustenance... and an underground economy to dodge increasing CA taxes. Tax and fine the workers to spend it on non-producers... welcome to liberalism.

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  • EvelynFebruary 19, 2014 - 9:59 am

    Serious question, Rod: Is a police state NECESSARILY the product of liberalism? (Otherwise, I'm with you regarding the above.)

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  • cookie65February 19, 2014 - 10:23 am

    Show me a police state that wasn't leftist. Even simpler, show me a single liberty that at some point isn't subject to some form of reduction under leftism.

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  • rodFebruary 19, 2014 - 10:24 am

    Evelyn, actually it is. Historically, the biggest threat to Stalin (and communist ideology) was his own military... thus the "great purge" and establishment of his 'political officers' and the KGB. Hitler feared the Wehrmacht, his own army, so he established the SS, his personal police force to weed out dissidents. Obama took the nascent DHS established by Bush after 911 to created a new gigantic enforcement arm "equal to the military", his dedicated personal massive new police force answerable to no one, not even the congressional oversight committee as demonstrated by the lying Janet Napolitano. Remember obama purged 13 top generals and admirals last year, any questions?

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  • EvelynFebruary 19, 2014 - 11:24 am

    "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." ~ Benito Mussolini

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  • Alfred E. NeumanFebruary 19, 2014 - 10:30 am

    What the Left will never admit is that liberalism is synonymous with Socialism, and nothing creates a Police state faster than Socialism. Someone once said;. "The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But, under the name of "liberalism" they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing what happened." Welcome to your "Hope& Change".......

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  • cookie65February 19, 2014 - 10:36 am

    That "Someone" was right. HOOK, LINE & SINKER.

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  • James E.February 19, 2014 - 10:42 am

    Rod, can you give us the names of the 13 generals and admirals that were 'purged' by the president, and the reason each of them was purged.

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  • James E.February 19, 2014 - 10:45 am

    I could be wrong, but I believe those 'purged' (admonished, reprimanded, or retired) was because of their misconduct. Rod, do you have other reasons?

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  • cookie65February 19, 2014 - 10:51 am

    James, the reason is what ever the regime told its lapdog media to report. How can you abide such a corrupt media James? It doesn't make any sense. But here is one of the stories that can't be true because you question the source. And that makes even less sense. http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/18/fourth-georgia-hospital-closes-due-to-obamacare-payment-cuts/

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  • Alfred E. NeumanFebruary 19, 2014 - 10:58 am

    Here's a couple more articles for the Left to dismiss. phttp://www.dailypaul.com/302620/list-of-us-military-generals-and-admirals-fired-by-obama http://www.wnd.com/2013/10/top-generals-obama-is-purging-the-military/

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  • EvelynFebruary 19, 2014 - 11:21 am

    Mr Neuman: I've never dismissed your article's old news, but don't find labels particularly informative.

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  • cookie65February 19, 2014 - 10:57 am

    It was because of video James, but what difference, at this point, does it make?

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  • rodFebruary 19, 2014 - 10:58 am

    James, yeah, I think the Obama admin called it "misconduct". What else would they call a pre-emptive move in fear of real possibility of a coup after the lying admin tried to cover up Benghazi?

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  • Alfred E. NeumanFebruary 19, 2014 - 11:02 am

    Here's yet another article for James E.to dismiss. http://www.dailypaul.com/302620/list-of-us-military-generals-and-admirals-fired-by-obama

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  • James E.February 19, 2014 - 11:10 am

    I challenge Rod and Mr. Neuman to give us a specific list of the generals and admirals who have been 'purged' and the specific reason why. Rod asked if anyone had any questions about this and I do. Please, no cheesy right wing sites, instead specifics on each of the generals and admirals. Now, why do I believe they have been guilty of misconduct. Well, I have subscribed to the Army Times for years and the misconduct has been well reported. I'll give you one example. An admiral was charged with misconduct for counterfeiting casino chips???? Who would have guessed. Not with disagreeing with the president or being 'purged,' but with criminal misconduct. Four star general retired for financial misconduct.. Multiple for sexual offenses. And, the list goes on. So, Rod and Mr. Neuman, I await your specific list of all those purged and the specific reason why.

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  • cookie65February 19, 2014 - 11:17 am

    Ok James, I'll trade you that for who gave the stand down order in Benghazi. You go first.

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  • rodFebruary 19, 2014 - 11:17 am

    James, come on. Cookie's links are on target. are u going to wimp out with gibberish... or are u going stand up for Gen Boykin and other top military... or are U blindly marching with Obama's agenda? Is your allegiance to this country... or an errant socialist liar?

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  • Alfred E. NeumanFebruary 19, 2014 - 11:30 am

    Evelyn, exactly that's why I re-posted my response and instead said "Here's yet another article for James E.to dismiss" because everyone here knew he would. It's what he does.

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  • Alfred E. NeumanFebruary 19, 2014 - 11:34 am

    Eveyln. Your quoting Benito Mussolini to make a case for the Left? That's rich!.

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  • EvelynFebruary 19, 2014 - 11:38 am

    Not at all, Alfred. But do you identify fascism as leftist, rightist, or something else?

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  • rodFebruary 19, 2014 - 11:54 am

    "Fascism borrowed theories and terminology from socialism but replaced socialism's focus on class conflict with a focus on conflict between nations and races". (Wiki) So fascism is socialism with racism thrown in... doesn't get any uglier than that.

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  • James E.February 19, 2014 - 11:37 am

    Mr. Newman, I promise not to dismiss your list of generals and admirals and the specific reason they each 'purged.'

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  • James E.February 19, 2014 - 11:43 am

    Cookie, et. al, the charge has been made that the president has 'purged' generals and admirals for political purposes. Which generals and admirals and the reasons they have been 'purged?' So, instead of letting us know who has been 'purged' and why, you require me to go first on Benghazi? I can only conclude the generals and admirals being 'purged' for political purposes is BS. Go ahead, send the list and prove me wrong. Cookie, put the Benghazi monkey back in the cage until the topic is Benghazi.

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  • EvelynFebruary 19, 2014 - 11:50 am

    Partial LIST

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  • EvelynFebruary 19, 2014 - 11:52 am

    LIST (11/23/13)

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  • EvelynFebruary 19, 2014 - 12:02 pm

    Fascism Anyone? HERE

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  • EvelynFebruary 19, 2014 - 12:04 pm

    It's the Corporate State - HERE

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  • cookie65February 19, 2014 - 12:39 pm

    Eve!yn, many people have a condition that causes a build up of material behind the eye related to the thyroid. You have probably heard of graves disease. Although graves disease is caused by hyperthyroidism the condition also occurs in people who have severe hypothyroidism and people with normally functioning thyroids. It happens due to another condition known as Hashimoto's thyroiditis. There is even a category that classifies the condition irrespective of cause, thyroid eye disease. Three completely different causes but identical results. All three are made possible by one source, the thyroid. It is the same with fascism, socialism, communism, Marxism, leftism, progressivism, they are specifically different causes all with identical results. All made possible by one source. GOVERNMENT. If corporatism is going to subdue freedom and liberty what will be the avenue they choose to do it with?

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  • EvelynFebruary 19, 2014 - 12:49 pm

    Cookie: What do you understand "corporatism" to be?

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  • cookie65February 19, 2014 - 7:40 pm

    Eve!yn, while I find very little I agree with from the link you posted @ 12:04 pm , my own version of corporatist covers a less vague and fluctuating view. It covers everything from george soros to public sector unions to who ever sells the obamaphone and contracts to who ever designed the ocommycare website to solyndra to who ever got the shovel ready stimulus to hundreds of the non-profits to the industries built up around the global warming fraud to the carbon commodities to the FDA to the TSA to the EPA. I don't see much free market capitalism in my list but I see lots of captive market. Mussolini wanted to make a completely captive market. Fascism

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  • cookie65February 20, 2014 - 3:01 pm

    A captive market is what ocommy/fascist/care creates.

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  • MelodyFebruary 19, 2014 - 12:03 pm

    Why hasn't DFW allowed Bob Pera to be interviewed about this incident from his perspective? Pera is an acquaintance of a good friend of mine who I met via the Stuck Buck episode on my property in January 2013. It was only because DFW REFUSED to respond to numerous requests for a wildlife rescue that I finally put in a call to the media. Channel 10, 13 and Fox 40 subsequently involved 9 regional agencies in the rescue of a buck that was entangled with a volley ball net snagged on barbed wire. When DFW finally responded 12 hours later Patrick Foy and his co-worker got into a heated argument about the media involvement. As anticipated their intentions to dispatch the buck were clear when DFW parked their cars on Mt. Murphy Road to block any egress as DFW circumvented my property to look for the stuck buck themselves in the pitch of night. By the time Fox 40 returned the reporter had to walk past the parked DFW vehicles with his heavy camera equipment. DFW was clearly not happy to see him. I ordered an immediate 'attitude adjustment' or get off my PRIVATE PROPERTY. That's when the reporter turned on his camera to capture the 2 AM encounter, however that is not what aired on the news the next day. Although DFW was the problem, the media ended up giving it a totally different spin that made them look like heroes.

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  • James E.February 19, 2014 - 12:10 pm

    Evelyn, but with all those on your list, not one gives the reason. And that is the crux of the question. Officers are constantly leaving their positions and leaving the service. But, 'purged' for political reasons, misconduct, or just normal departures? That is the question. There may a general or admiral who announces I disagree with the president and therefore I retire. But, such animals are few and far between. And, did you list come from a right wing site? I don't remember, but think it was.

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  • rodFebruary 19, 2014 - 12:22 pm

    Is there ANYTHING Obama does that isn't political?

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  • EvelynFebruary 19, 2014 - 12:44 pm

    Air Force Times: "Fired majors plan to sue for reinstatement" - HERE: A group of former Air Force majors, forced out this summer by a noncontinuation board, plans to file a lawsuit claiming the service had no right to separate them simply to meet end-strength numbers set by Congress. More than 10 of the 157 dismissed majors are banding together to challenge the move in court ... . ********** James, I can't say whether the Air Force Times is LEFT or RIGHT.

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  • James E.February 19, 2014 - 12:11 pm

    Back later, lunch time.

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  • 4U JAMESFebruary 19, 2014 - 12:28 pm

    What? did the 'purge list' of over 100 officers just posted put a bad taste in your mouth, tell us how that crow tastes when ya get back... thnx

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  • Fran DuchampFebruary 19, 2014 - 12:35 pm

    I think he just went to lunch...he always tells us where he is going :) lolol

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  • Alfred E. NeumanFebruary 19, 2014 - 1:20 pm

    If someone was to list adverse reasons for any of the officers dismissal, James E. would just dismiss the source. So what's the use? It has been rumored that the many officers were let go because they openly refused to fire on American citizens if ordered to do so, but the officers are still bound by confidentiality so who knows?. If it were found to be true, does anyone really think James E. would ever admit it anyway? The more burning question is, if push ever does come to shove, which direction will James E. be pointing his gun, toward Obama's hand-picked military or American citizens in defense of their Country?

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  • EvelynFebruary 19, 2014 - 1:54 pm

    Alfred: I am confident that James would NEVER hold a gun to our heads. And, on another very different matter, I have seen him modify his position.

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  • Butch SmithFebruary 19, 2014 - 1:26 pm

    Word on the street is that Pera shot himself by ricochet off the steel toe of his jack boot while practicing a quick draw routine for the next Wild Justice episode.

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  • cookie65February 20, 2014 - 5:13 am

    That explanation makes sense with what has been reported so far. Even though every source has been unwilling to report facts they have not been unwilling to engage in innuendo with regard to the "hunters". They haven't even bothered to use the word "alleged" in their reporting. More of the same from the media. Influence peddling rather than reporting facts.

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  • James E.February 19, 2014 - 4:08 pm

    Evelyn, I don't read the Air Force Times much, but it's middle of the road and all the various Times (Army, Navy) basically report the DOD news with side stories that tend to be of the specific service of that Times. I've never detected any politics in the various service papers either right or left. The Majors you reference weren't 'purged' but rather got caught in the reduction in force that always follows our conflicts. They have the right to sue and perhaps they will win, but I don't think they will. Now, the burning question whether I would order my troops to fire on fellow Americans. Number one, it would depend on the circumstances. But, a strong consideration would be if my fellow Americans were first shooting at me. I believe in the policy that if you aren't shooting at me I won't have my troops shoot at you. If I was ordered to shoot protesters who weren't shooting at me, I'd probably tell my general that his radio transmission was garbled and I couldn't understand what he was saying. Regarding Kent State, I never would have ordered my troops to fire on protesting students. The officers of that Guard unit should have gone to jail. I hope I have answered the burning question of whether I am a patriot or a Tea Party patriot. P.S. Rod and Neuman, you are not giving me the specific reasons officers were 'purged' because beyond the propaganda talking point you love, you don't know what the heck you are talking about (and you don't want to know -- just put out the BS and the base will believe it).

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  • EvelynFebruary 19, 2014 - 4:24 pm

    James: Your Kent State input is greatly appreciated. And, FWIW, I am more than a little uncomfortable (I've just now self-edited my language!) with the prevailing modus operandi of "discussion" by personal attack. ---- LEFT-RIGHT PARADIGM IS A HOAX - HERE: Instead of worrying about whether one professes to be a "conservative" or a "liberal," we should be concerned about whether the people we vote for understand the fundamental principles of liberty and constitutional government and have the moral character to defend such principles at all costs.

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  • James E.February 19, 2014 - 4:17 pm

    Can I say Hell on this site or is it a prohibited word?

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  • EvelynFebruary 19, 2014 - 6:01 pm

    Dee#1 gets around the verboten "Hell" by substituting He11 (or is it He!!? -- I've forgotten which).

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  • James E.February 19, 2014 - 4:18 pm

    OK, good, Rod and Neuman, you don't know what the hell you are talking about beyond your beloved talking point.

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  • James E.February 19, 2014 - 4:19 pm

    OK, obvious there will not be reasons forthcoming, so guess we are finished with this topic. But, it was fun.

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  • James E.February 19, 2014 - 4:32 pm

    Evelyn, but how do we know if they understand the fundamental principles and have the moral character? So hard.

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  • EvelynFebruary 19, 2014 - 4:49 pm

    Good question, James. In the end it's a judgement call. But transcending our political prejudices is a beginning. As long as we're convinced that ONLY the Democrats / Republicans / Tea Party / Conservatives / Liberals have THE ANSWER, we're impervious to important information and insights. Occasionally I even learn something from my brother, a Fox "news" loving Rush Limbaugh devotee & right-wing REPUBLICAN!!!

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 19, 2014 - 4:59 pm

    James, be clear on this. The educational direction of flow is ONE WAY.

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  • cookie65February 20, 2014 - 9:15 am

    Phil, have you seen this? obama's fcc is going to determine what the public should and shouldn't be exposed to. As if the American people could be anymore uninformed or misinformed. http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304680904579366903828260732

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 20, 2014 - 9:23 am

    cookie, I posted this last night ~~~ LINK - (FCC). This research can be used to identify and understand the critical information needs(CINs) of the American public (with special emphasis on vulnerable/disadvantaged populations).

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  • cookie65February 20, 2014 - 9:34 am

    Phil, my question is why would the regime's fcc mess with perfection? Didn't obama win twice because of efforts made by the media? Trace all the destruction brought to this country by the left and nowhere has the media been anything other that partners in crime.

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  • Mary Randolph, CaminoFebruary 19, 2014 - 4:37 pm

    Someone sealing all their personal records before running for President might be your first clue

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  • James E.February 19, 2014 - 4:59 pm

    Evelyn. strange how that goes. Same parents but one turns out reasonable?

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  • EvelynFebruary 19, 2014 - 5:55 pm

    Indeed!!!

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  • James E.February 19, 2014 - 5:14 pm

    Comment about how officers are selected for a reduction-in-force. I once knew one of the lieutenant colonels who worked for the Secretary of the Army and who worked on the selection of those who would be reduced. The lieutenant colonel (later to become a lieutenant general) was one of seven assistants to the Secretary of the Army (they were called the seven dwarfs). He told me because it was all so subjective given their military records they went by education. Have a PhD and you were safe. Master's degree you were probably safe. College graduate probably safe but maybe not. Community college graduate probably not, and high school graduate and below pack your bags immediately. During that period I had an truly outstanding officer who was my Executive Officer. An officer who should have survived any reduction in force as he had great value to the Army. Community college graduate, and out he went.

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  • James E.February 19, 2014 - 5:17 pm

    ADDED: This for the Army. I don't know about the other services, but probably something similar.

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  • RickFebruary 20, 2014 - 7:30 am

    In reading through these threads of so much hot air day after day, all I can say is that some people have way too much free time on their hands.

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  • EvelynFebruary 20, 2014 - 10:05 am

    Cookie: You point to individuals/groups you consider to be "corporatists", leaving unanswered the question of "corporatism" itself (the ideology or underlying principles).

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  • cookie65February 20, 2014 - 3:15 pm

    I did, I must not have been clear. It is a captive market. The free market exists where people have money in their pockets to spend. It isn't corporations. When money is confiscated and spent for you it is no longer a free market. ocommy/fascist/care is creating a captive market. Corporatism isn't Coke a cola being the most recognized symbol on earth. It isn't Lowes competing with Home Depot and creating jobs. Corporatism is quasi-government feeding appendages. Internals of government that have evolved into huge obligations. AFL-CIO IS a corporation. Which produces nothing and consumes mountains of money. Do they have any power in government? If you want to know which corporations OWNS government look no further than the public sector unions. That is corporatism. A corrupt financial gain between government and business.

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  • cookie65February 20, 2014 - 3:19 pm

    The captive market for the union/government corporatism is the American middle class taxpayer. And he/she/? aren't getting anything for their money except excuses to spend even more.

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  • EvelynFebruary 20, 2014 - 4:38 pm

    cookie: Though some of our details are dissimilar, I'd certainly ditto you on the "corrupt financial gain between government and business." Thanks.

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  • Jim RiordanFebruary 20, 2014 - 11:46 am

    So, once again, we have a few comments on the actual story and then all the rest on the "right vs. the left." Gees folks, Can't anyone stay on topic? . . None of you are ever going to convince the other side to become what you want, so I ask all of you, without any malice, . . . what part of that are you folks missing? I agree with many of you on many topics yet I will never waste time trying to convince any of you to be different. I am definitely a conservative. I am a doer and earner rather than a taker. I am absolutely for less government rather than more, yet I am a registered independent and always will be. Both of these useless parties are hard at work ruining this Country. That said, this unfortunate trend of endless "he said", "she said" or "left did", "right did" is ruining and lengthening (ad nausem) the comments on darn near every story or letter in this newspaper. That is really too bad folks. Can't you all just comment on the articles from a personal perspective rather than "right vs. left"? I would love to hear what all of you have to say on the topic of any particular article, but I must say I am truly tired of every single topic, regardless of nature, turning into a never ending rant of rt vs. lft. when it is completely OFF TOPIC and none of you will ever convince the other side that you are correct . . Even if you are! Please guys and gals, comment on the articles and give us your cogent thoughts on the topic of the article. PLEASE spare us from the non-stop rt vs. left BS. Neither side will ever convince the other side. . ever. . Aren't any of you as tired of this as I am??

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  • Penny AnteFebruary 20, 2014 - 12:48 pm

    Jim, jump right in and comment on the article.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 20, 2014 - 3:28 pm

    Don't yell at me, Jim!!! I was sorta on topic. Sheesh!

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  • R.J. CarterFebruary 20, 2014 - 11:54 am

    Jim your exactly right......That's why I very seldom post anymore.....Just maybe once or twice every week......It's like beat'in a dead horse, but I do like debating our friend the Col. every now and then just for kicks.....................

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  • James E.February 20, 2014 - 11:57 am

    Mr. Riordian, you state a basic truth -- neither side will convince the other as each side brings their own truths to the table. So, why try? Well, liberals cannot let Dee, Cookie, et al., just run wild. Some counter balance is needed, even if it is futile. And, if there was a rule that a comment could only pertain to the topic of a letter, this would be a most boring site.

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  • Jim RiordanFebruary 20, 2014 - 12:57 pm

    Thanks RJ . . always enjoy hearing from you Bud. And James, I respect your opinions and your Service sir, however, I beg to differ about off-topic constant bantering of the same ole-same-ole Lib vs Con gibberish making a specific topic LESS boring. I believe it makes it incredibly more boring, like a broken record, and takes away from on-topic discussion. Perhaps also making those who may wish to make an on-topic posting feel it will be lost in off-topic BS. Please, save the constant political BS for those who give a crap about it. Maybe on political sites where people can argue all day with no logical, workable solution in sight. Remember what the definition of insanity is . . People doing (or saying/writing) the same things over and over with the expectation of a different outcome each time.

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  • Jim RiordanFebruary 20, 2014 - 1:15 pm

    Penny . . aw c'mon, it can't be Penny Ante Right?? I truly do not get why people hide behind fake names. . . but each to his or her own. Anyway, my only on-topic comment would be that the investigation would appear to be in the right hands now. I'm quite sure EDSO will seek and find the truth. Sure seems to me like stalking hunters at night is asking to get shot, but I am not condoning hunting at night . I am not a hunter . . just sayin' . . And Phil, great solution to your problem. I would most likely have done exactly the same thing, if I had thought of it. "Decontamination" I love it.

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  • 1036-FrankFebruary 20, 2014 - 4:03 pm

    Sometimes there is a need to steer back to the topic although it is all in the form of open exchange of view points, ideas and life experiences from many different views. Now to the subject at hand, the wardens are a thin green line working in dangerous remote locations and they encounter many armed and dangerous people in areas where local law enforcement is seldom seen. There were two wardens from fish and game who worked here in the west county for many years, one has passed on and one is retired and some fairly new people are around. What "hunting" was going on is the question as most seasons are long closed. There is something going on when the two "hunters" aren't known yet and why they shot at the warden in the first place needs to be disclosed, what were they really doing? The warden involved hasn't been heard from yet and I hope that changes soon so people can find out what happened and what was involved. It is dangerous in the woods these days, and law enforcement is risky to begin with and without it the state would be a much more dangerous place with a lot more crime, poaching and drug production. I am glad this warden and his dog will recover and this wasn't any worse.

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  • cookie65February 20, 2014 - 4:16 pm

    What is your source for the warden being shot by the "hunters"?

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  • 1036-FrankFebruary 20, 2014 - 4:53 pm

    Sacbee.com was probably the first report on this.

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  • cookie65February 20, 2014 - 6:35 pm

    So sacbee reported the game warden was shot by the "hunters"?

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 20, 2014 - 6:54 pm

    cookie ~~~ LINK - Game warden on patrol shot by hunters in El Dorado County - Sac Bee

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  • James E.February 20, 2014 - 6:37 pm

    That nice young lady who told us to stay on topic resulted in over 3,000 comments (maybe 10 on topic).

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  • CraigApril 16, 2014 - 9:35 am

    See the Sacramento Bee page A 11 for what possibly actually happened. Seems like the news media and public were intentionally misled. It appears that the warden's injuries were the result of contest sport hunting that the warden was aware of and monitoring when he was shot, even though there was no mention of this by Fish and Wildlife.

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