Friday, April 18, 2014
PLACERVILLE, CALIFORNIA
99 CENTS

Hangtown Haven camp broken down: Residents scatter

DSC_6212

HANGTOWN HAVEN board member Don Vanderkar comforts Becky Nylander, one of the many Hangtown Haven residents forced to pack their belongings and move to a new location Friday, Nov. 15. Democrat photo by Pat Dollins

By
From page A1 | November 18, 2013 | 76 Comments

On the chilly morning of Nov. 15, Hangtown Haven in Placerville was broken down — personal effects packed, tents taken down and residents shipped off to new destinations with tears and an air of quiet, somber optimism. On Tuesday, 24 residents lived at the camp. Friday had about 20. Saturday would have zero.

Tom Carney, a volunteer helping to take the upper Broadway camp apart, said that “big stuff” — like one of the offices on site — could stay for a few months, but residents and whatever they owned had to be out by the end of the day. Some residents, he said, would be going to the “winter shelter,” or “nomadic shelter” — 10 churches rotating the responsibility of taking the homeless in. Others would illegally camp while still more would resort to couch surfing.

“They’ll be spread out,” he said.

The churches provide shelter from Nov. 1 to March 31.

“That’s their best hope,” Carney said of the church shelters. It’s a place to stay warm and dry, he said, and more importantly, stay safe.

“It’s a new beginning,” Haven resident Ralph Alexander said. “You just can’t see it through anyone else’s eyes. We’ll pick up the pieces.” He said the camp was being closed down for being overly successful — homeless from out of the county were coming to live there.

“In six weeks, maybe we’ll have something new that’s better,” Alexander said. “It’s nice here, I’m going to miss it. But the next place may be better.” He was quietly helping both residents and about a dozen volunteers take down tents and move personal belongings.

Three or four people would take down a tent, placed on pallets to keep it dry. Nails were taken out, tent coverings and tarps taken off, tent poles folded. On the path up the hill that makes up the Haven, the right side housed tents, the piles of belongings and supplies were on the left — food, bikes, water, air mattresses, backpacks.

Some of the belongings, including summer clothes and things that can’t be easily transported, will be held for the residents at the Green Valley Community Church in a large storage container, volunteer Steve Stockwell said while breaking a tent down. “Tents, sleeping bags, summer clothes,” he listed off. “The worst case scenario, they get it back in the spring,” after the winter shelter. He noted the homeless will not be able to access anything in storage at the church on a regular basis, though.

One man approaching the Haven was turned away. He was unaware it was closing. Another was driven to McDonald’s, final destination unknown.

Frank Matous, who designed Hangtown Haven’s Website, said the local stores such as Grocery Outlet will feel the impact of the loss of the camp. “We get $200 in food stamps per person per month, times 30 that’s $6,000 a month. They’ll have to cut hours, or someone is losing their job. It’s impacting the local economy.”

A tan Chevrolet pickup truck with a small flatbed backed up to the entrance to the camp. A shed that had been used as an office was picked up by about 10 people and moved 30 feet — with some difficulty — onto the flatbed. They pushed it across the gravel walkway, off the small slope onto the flatbed, packed with pallets to compensate for raised wheel wells, and shoved the shed onto the pallets. It was ready to be moved to Green Valley Community Church.

“We have a Christian background,” Alexander said. “We aren’t perfect, but we strive for happiness. We’re doing the best we can. If you don’t have anything to look forward to,” he trailed off. “It’s been fun. The staff, the volunteers were great. We don’t take taxpayer’s money, we are all self-supporting. We are all a family.”

LEAVE A COMMENT

Discussion | 76 comments

  • Valerie MischNovember 15, 2013 - 4:18 pm

    Placerville should be ashamed that they're allowing this true haven for the homeless to just be closed with no regard for the residents - I don't know how they can look at themselves in the mirror... in their warm, comfortable, safe, secure home. Shame on them all.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • SnuffNovember 18, 2013 - 10:11 am

    All of you disgusted with the county should open up your back yards to these people to pitch their tents.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Fran DuchampNovember 18, 2013 - 2:13 pm

    snuff...I just dont get where it is okay to let people come "paint" the downtown area...yet spit on what their backers believe in...helping the homeless. Im open for a reason.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Eddie EbacherNovember 19, 2013 - 7:17 am

    The camp residents had no RESPECT for Placerville Most of them WILL NOT WORK and want handouts like they DESERVE IT alcohol and drugs is the ONLY thing most of them want NOT FOOD NOT CLOTHING NOT A HOUSE Just Drugs and alcohol.Several of these persons Get SSI payments over 900 a month. THEY WOULD RATHER drink it up then get a place to live.. GO look at grocery outlet parking lot. SEE how many of them are paased out all up and down Broadway.. COMPASSION MY BUTT

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Placerville residentNovember 19, 2013 - 10:58 am

    THANK YOU EDDIE!!!! WELL SAID.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • MorrisNovember 15, 2013 - 5:10 pm

    Closing Haven just as we enter the holiday season speaks volumes to the character and integrity of El Dorado County. Selfish. Sad. Sadly self-absorbed. And conveniently detached...makes it all so much easier when our assumptions clean up the image we see in the mirror. So much easier.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • REWNovember 15, 2013 - 5:46 pm

    Pale blue dot. Carl Sagen

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • cookie65November 18, 2013 - 6:15 pm

    Pale Blue Dot is a double edged sword. Roman Gladius.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • FrederickNovember 18, 2013 - 8:20 am

    Dont let the tent flap hit you where the good lord split you.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • THE GOOD LORDNovember 18, 2013 - 8:48 am

    I created you Freddy to be nice and now suggest you stock up on ice.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • THE FATHERNovember 18, 2013 - 10:13 am

    WE ARE NOT AMUSED!

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Placerville residentNovember 18, 2013 - 11:22 am

    It's clear to me that all of you that are and have been in support of HH do not live in that surrounding area. These people are homeless due to choices they've made in their lives. If you're so concerned with the homeless please invite them to deficate and urinate on your property and to leave garbage, trash, litter, drink, use drugs on and around your immediate property. Why is it that only 3 of the HH residents spoke at the City Council meeting last week? Two of the people who were featured in articles in the Mountain Democrat didn't even speak. I'm a property owner on upper Broadway and there was never this issue before HH opened. I don't think this is coincidence.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Dink LaneNovember 18, 2013 - 11:47 am

    Every picture I've seen in the newspaper, on Channel 10 and Channel 13 showed the camp clean and well maintained. I drove down along the street to see the"trash" that the complainers were talking about. I didn't see any trash on the road....... I did see trash on Highway 193 on the other side of Chili-Bar.....Are you blaming that on the Homeless? A background check (according to all the news reports) was required to STAY in the Camp...... does not mean "Homeless due to choices they made."...... It just says: ....... "I don't care what the reason is..... I'm above all this and 'King Placerville' wants these sights of poverty taken away. Only pretty sights allowed. Bring my smelling salts. Oh the horrors of seeing poor people.... Away, away with them..."

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • KJMNovember 18, 2013 - 2:08 pm

    It wasn't the trash at the site or the site itself. It was all the transient activity in the area that increased because the camp was full and people would move onto main street or grocery stores to pan handle.. We haven't had that problem up here until the camp opened. The camp was a success now it needs to be moved to a much larger area. Down in Sac would be better. There is much more space and controls.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Vicci NolanNovember 19, 2013 - 6:22 am

    You are just several circumstances away from being homeless yourself. You're just too blinded by your self-righteousness to realize it.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • cookie65November 19, 2013 - 7:53 am

    Every time one of those "circumstances" occur, which they do for every human on earth, they come with CHOICES.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Vicci Voorhees NolanNovember 19, 2013 - 9:18 am

    You're naive, if you believe that. I hope you never find out how vulnerable you are.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Little RickyNovember 18, 2013 - 1:12 pm

    Diamond Springs would work...

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Dee#1November 18, 2013 - 1:21 pm

    Little Ricky, how about the decommissioned mill.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Fran DuchampNovember 18, 2013 - 2:12 pm

    Reminder the group coming in to paint Placerville are connected to..." a nonprofit called “Make it Right,” that was founded by actor Brad Pitt, gave the project its endorsement." has anyone emailed him yet that the Haven was not only closed down but wiped clean...I could do it for you. But I understand he likes honesty about all....something to think about. In addition to Brad Pitt, the following celebrities are also involved with the Make It Right Project: Angelina Jolie Ellen DeGeneres Kanye West Drew Brees Aziz Ansari Rihanna Seal Oprah Mike Holmes "Make it right" deals with the homeless....you guys could write a letter to him...he will doing publicity for the painting anyway. Life is funny.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Fran DuchampNovember 18, 2013 - 2:18 pm

    I feel bad for the people advertising their christmas items...how do you put this sentence in with this article? "A gift of warmth and caring that will last a lifetime..." It is a shame all the way around.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Fran DuchampNovember 18, 2013 - 2:21 pm

    Reports said there were at least 230 people living in those wooded areas...BEFORE the Haven...it is documented.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Fran DuchampNovember 18, 2013 - 2:27 pm

    City Tries to Shut Down Church for Homeless 01/04/2013 Placerville, CA – The Placerville City Council will hear an appeal, Tuesday, from a small church regarding the denial of their conditional use permit (CUP) by the City's Planning Commission. Pacific Justice Institute (PJI) sent a letter Friday informing the City of the potential legal violations the commission committed—including violation of the Federal Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act (RLUIPA), as well as the Federal and State Constitution. - See more at: http://www.pacificjustice.org/1/post/2013/01/city-tries-to-shut-down-church-for-homeless.html#sthash.aKObZeG8.dpuf

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Fran DuchampNovember 18, 2013 - 2:33 pm

    http://www.hcd.ca.gov/hpd/hrc/rep/fed/2010-2015_conplan_final.pdf Theres even a plan....2010-2015 Consolidated Plan and 2010-2011 Annual Plan for federally-funded community development programs operated by the State of California: Money to help...wait...did we already get money to help....ummmmmmmm

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Fran DuchampNovember 18, 2013 - 2:37 pm

    And there have been ongoing surveys...again it had nothing to do with those people at the Haven. El Dorado County Homeless Count and Survey Results https://www.edcgov.us/Government/.../2011_Homeless_Count_Results.as...‎ Jan 27, 2011 - from the three sources” and the same methods have been utilized during the 2009 and the 2011. El Dorado County Homeless Count and ...

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Dee#1November 18, 2013 - 3:10 pm

    KJM, the folks that are commenting on the Hangtown Haven feel that it is not an attractive nuisance and that the surrounding community of families, homeowners and businesses should just adjust to the decline in living conditions that these folks bring. They are filled with goodwill and compassion for the unfortunate. The residents in the area are not unfortunate to have to live with human waste, children unable to walk to school, female apt. dwellers being woken in the middle of the night ,etc. Our commenters believe with their heart and souls that only the innocent lived in the camp and the increase in the homeless population is incidental. Besides, they have been in the area and have never been bothered. So KJM, pointing out the obvious will not work with them.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • perry freemasonjarNovember 18, 2013 - 3:19 pm

    Frank Matous: "We get $200 in food stamps per person per month, times 30 that's $6000 a month. They'll have to cut hours, or someone is losing their job. It's impacting the local economy."............ Ralph Alexander: We don't take taxpayer's money, we are all self supporting. We are all a family........... Dink Lane: I didn't see any trash on the road. Well, the first statement was true. And dink was half right the trash was NOT on the road, it was in the gutter! How many other half truths were told?

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Placerville residentNovember 18, 2013 - 3:30 pm

    Once again, I haven't heard anyone who is in support of HH offer up their neighborhood for the camp. How would you like to have to clean up broken alcohol bottles every morning just to drive on the the main road to go to work? HH attracted undesirables from all over the state and other states as well. There were never issues of drug deals going on in broad daylight until HH had opened. For anyone who says they've driven up to the upper part of Broadway and not seen any trash you need to get your eyes checked. Better yet, why don't you take a stroll on the main roads and look around in the blackberry bushes. A plethra of wrappers, pizza boxes, condom boxes, alcohol bottles, toilet paper, and used adult diapers are just a few of the lovely items you would see. There's nothing worse that a hypocrite.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • perry freemasonjarNovember 18, 2013 - 3:44 pm

    Placerville resident i could not agree more. I'm a smith flat resident and see all that and more. I walked the trail today and found 5 occupied campsites between my house and snell school rd. Barely a mile. Then i walked to just past the trail parking lot and up the hill and found another campsite near an old mine shaft and the camper took off through the berry bushes hiding his face. My next call is to the police. Good luck!

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • perry freemasonjarNovember 18, 2013 - 3:54 pm

    Why are the people in support of HH not opening their homes and hearts? Why? Don't they care? These are human beings after all. The holidays are coming! SET AN EXAMPLE!

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Justice InsiderNovember 18, 2013 - 6:41 pm

    With closing of the Haven encampment one attractive nuisance will be gone. But wait, it gets better. Placerville's new Community Development director Pierre Rivas has approved a Temporary Use Permit TUP for the homeless to reside on Placerville Drive in a commercial building across from Rayles. Apparently Mr. Rivas wants the west end of Placerville to spiral downward like upper Braodway has. Maybe its time for Rivas to seek other employment.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Placerville residentNovember 18, 2013 - 7:11 pm

    Justice Insider- Do you know for a fact a new TUP has been approved?? If that's true, we're in trouble.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Dee#1November 18, 2013 - 7:58 pm

    Justice Insider, where did you get your information? Councilmember Borelli owns commercial property by Raley's and I doubt that she would be happy having the area go downhill more. If I remember correctly she was one of the Councilmembers who was concerned about too many thrift shops on Placerville Dr.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • CCRNovember 18, 2013 - 8:03 pm

    A link would be helpful

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • SueNovember 18, 2013 - 9:08 pm

    123

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • SarrahNovember 18, 2013 - 9:18 pm

    Reading these comments from Plasterville residence is disgusting... I was proud to live in a town that did something for our homeless and now I am ashamed of a town we truly doesn't care about the needy. I saw on television that someone said that upper Broadway was vacant due to the homeless that is not true though shops have been closed for years. It seems as though local residents are thinking upper reasons to blame the homeless for anything negative happening in this town... I don't think it's the homeless people who have destroyed our city park last time I was there I saw several drug deals going down and it wasn't homeless people it was the teenagers of all these better than placerville residents. NOONE knows what caused these people to be homeless or what their situation is. Most of them are veterans who fought for our country... Or people with mental health issues that are health system has turned it's back on! I am sickened! I am a republican and not a person who has ever received any federal or state assistance, but I believe in human decency!

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Vicci NolanNovember 19, 2013 - 6:24 am

    Well said, Sarrah.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Eddie EbacherNovember 19, 2013 - 7:11 am

    Come hang out with me on upper broadway SEE for yourself what goes on an Who is doing it. I beleive in HUMAN decency also BUT most of these homelless ACT LIKE ANIMALS even cats have sense enuff to cover up there piles of Crap.. These homeless drop piles on the sidewalks and Bike trail , Absolutely disgusting Habits

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • FrederickNovember 19, 2013 - 7:57 am

    Sarrah- If this bothers you, then please move.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Vicci Voorhees NolanNovember 19, 2013 - 9:22 am

    No, Fred. If this bothers YOU, then YOU move.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • cookie65November 19, 2013 - 8:53 am

    Doing something for the homeless? I have witnessed most of my life, as we all have what has been defined as "doing something for the homeless". Yet is has seemed to multiply "the those" who we are doing something for. Isn't the issue here the fact that doing something for the homeless has been a magnet for even more homeless? There are some uncomfortable facts about human nature. One of these facts are, People will live up to the standards set for them. Another one is the path of least resistance. The lowest expectations will always attract the most people. If the question is compassion, what then is compassion? Is it bringing people up from the bottom or making their stay on the bottom just comfortable enough as to never causing them to exert the energy to escape it? Instead of doing something "for" the homeless, how about we try doing something "about" the homeless?

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Eddie EbacherNovember 19, 2013 - 7:01 am

    Well its about time the Camp Closed. I worked with the core group of Hangtown Haven, BEFORE ron sachs and art edwards STOLE the name and Bullyied there way into the group. Most of the problems were caused by Ron Sachs dictator attitude,at the Camp..... Most of the persons from outside of placervlle were the worst offenders. the REAL Hangtown Board of directors can be reached at Hangtownhaven@gmail.com RON SACHS stole the name from a Homeless girl and Incorporated it himself WITHOUT OUR PERMISSION collected money under OUR name and screwed up the Whole operation. WHERS THE REST OF THE DONATED MONEY

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • rodNovember 19, 2013 - 8:26 am

    Uh oh....$$$???

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • nativecalifornianNovember 19, 2013 - 8:54 am

    And to think the city missed out on the chance to have it's own casino. Why should the Miwoks have all the fun?

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Little RickyNovember 19, 2013 - 9:23 am

    Placerville is a Heartless Town...

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • nativecalifornianNovember 19, 2013 - 9:34 am

    I've read that the Apple Hill trolley might be available.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Placerville ExpatriateNovember 19, 2013 - 9:55 am

    Well I moved out of Placerville a couple years ago, but I still keep track of the going ons. The way I see it is this regardless of what side of the aisle you fall on in the homeless issue. How can anyone here argue that a "tent city" was ever meant to be a permanent solution. Tents are not housing...they are tents. I can't believe anyone could of thought of this is a permanent solution. Furthermore, I have a feeling regardless of when this encampment was shut down the timing would have been bad for all. My biggest concern is that is seems as if there was no time limit on the encampment. There should have been time limits in conjunction with programs to transition them out of the tents into "long-term" living solutions.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • smithflatresidentNovember 19, 2013 - 10:56 am

    Agreed Pvl. Xpat. however there was a time limit. They knew the TUP was about to expire and instead of working with the remaining residents to transition, they took on new ones and stated "some people just need 6 more months to get back on track.". they knew 6 months ago, so they took a "tomorrow" approach, of course tomorrow never comes. And there are people there who have been there longer than 6 months because HH inc. has become a career for them.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • smithflatresidentNovember 19, 2013 - 11:23 am

    When you hear in the media that the camp takes no money from the city over and over again and that evolves into "We don't take taxpayer's money we are self supporting", then in the same article (above) "We get 200 a month in food stamps per person per month thats $6000 per month" (or $180.000 per year) you have to wonder how many other claims of success are valid? Such as "everyone has to pass a background check" ran by who? And "everyone is a 6 month resident" what's the vetting process? The council? From what i have heard they are former homeless people themselves.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • smithflatresidentNovember 19, 2013 - 11:34 am

    Cookie could we have one more "the difference between a conservative republical and a liberal democrat" PLEASE?

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Justice InsiderNovember 19, 2013 - 10:39 am

    Ex Pat there absolutely was a time limit set. The City Council set it with the last extension nearly a year ago. For some reason lack of planning on the part of the encampment now needs to be an emergency on the rest of society?

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • cookie65November 19, 2013 - 10:52 am

    Vicci, I take it you have never experienced circumstance in life where some different choice would have led to much different results. I guess I am naïve because I wouldn't have any clue what type of protected life you have experienced would be like.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Vicci NolanNovember 19, 2013 - 1:11 pm

    On the contrary, Cookie. I am a survivor of circumstances that took my 6 figure salary--which I deserved after putting myself through college twice while raising two productive adults and working hard at my profession for over 30 years--and reduced it to just above poverty level. What experience do you draw from?

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • cookie65November 19, 2013 - 2:07 pm

    Vicci, did you make choices during those "circumstances" that kept you from becoming homeless?

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Vicci NolanNovember 20, 2013 - 7:15 am

    I prayed a lot. Until you walk in someone else's shoes, you should refrain from judging them. You won't, but you should.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Placerville residentNovember 19, 2013 - 10:56 am

    ONCE AGAIN to all of the people who have been supporting the HH I still haven't heard any of you offer up YOUR neighborhood or area for the camp to move to. I'm sick and tired of hypocrites in support of the homeless who don't want to try to better themselves one bit. That's exactly why they decided to become homeless and move into tents at the end of town where they can hide out and be bothered as little as possible. Upper Broadway has never been Beverly Hills but the area has such potential and businesses have moved out of the area directly do to the homeless invasion. Take a look at Sierra Tires. Please to all of you who supposedly care so much about the homeless offer up your homes and neighborhoods and see how long your compassion lasts for these people who choose to be homeless as an occupation. HH enabled these people to sit in their tents everyday and tell their war stories instead of going out and gaining employment or education. HH was NEVER meant to be permanent housing for the homeless. There was never going to be a good time for the HH to be closed down. If the city council didn't do it last week it probable wouldn't ever be.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • FrederickNovember 19, 2013 - 1:20 pm

    Classic case of NIMBY with these bleeding hearts. Its OK where it was, but Not In My BackYard

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Fran DuchampNovember 19, 2013 - 11:13 am

    I agree...the solutions to the tents should have been thought out before hand...years before hand. Homelessness has been in Placerville for awhile. Plenty of time to think of solutions. This camp has the feel of being someone's "pet" project...and now they are bored and want to move on. This county was built on people who were homeless...they came here in search of a dream. Land of their own...gold. Homelessness by definition...someone who does not have a home. Pioneers didnt have homes when they first got here. Preserve the "heritage"...how they traveled to the frontiers and began new lives. Not all homeless are drunken thieves last night we learned that they basically fight amongst themselves. They are people who came to a new place. Wait...why do we celebrate Thanksgiving? The Haven is gone. Let it die in peace.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Fran DuchampNovember 19, 2013 - 11:24 am

    PR..."....tired of hypocrites" So am I. The Haven is gone. All your problems should be fixed. Why are you still complaining? The more you guys complain...the longer you keep the Haven alive. Id go out and start rounding up the other couple hundred--so someone could make a buck. Now even more people are going to watch what exactly what is going up in that area? Telling people to feel bad--doesnt work. Telling people to give up their homes...sounds childish...like someone having a temper tantrum. The council played this story up--all over California...made them look warm and fuzzy. I would think for PR purposes the council and the BOS would be putting out articles to some solutions to the problem. the sun should be shining over upper Broadway right now...go enjoy it. Go gives thanks that by closing the Haven...the streets are safer to walk.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Fran DuchampNovember 19, 2013 - 11:31 am

    Smith flat Res...same to you...go out enjoy the clear streets now that the Haven is gone. Its over. You won the war. The Haven was killed...the enemy is gone. Enjoy thanksgiving. Go have a glass of wine and toast to a bright upper Broadway future. question? Is the upper room next in the plan to eradicate all homeless? The Haven is dead.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • smithflatresidentNovember 19, 2013 - 11:59 am

    Fran the streets aren't clear. I think the project organizers are anything but bored at this point. If heritage means progress to you then we'd be living in caves. This is the City of Placerville not the frontier, and I don't drink. The upperroom? we'll see. Happy Holidays.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • cookie65November 19, 2013 - 11:50 am

    smithflat, the difference between a conservative republican and a liberal democrat? I like simplicity so I will illustrate with something old and simple. A conservative republican understands that if you teach a man to fish he will eat for a lifetime. A liberal democrat "depends" on the "behavior" that if you give a man a fish he will ask for tartar sauce.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • smithflatresidentNovember 19, 2013 - 12:09 pm

    You have a few of them. All good hehe.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Eddie EbacherNovember 19, 2013 - 1:52 pm

    Part of my duties as Secretary Treasuer of Hangtown Haven was to document the process. I videotaped for record all important meetings. And submitted documents to city hall one of the first camp meetings shows clearly that Ron Sachs Illeagly forced a vote without a qurom any forced vote is FRAUD and a way to take over the group. I have several hours of video which proves the haven was taken over by POVERTY PIMPS Ron Sachs and co conspirators USING the homeless in this area as POSTER CHILDREN to collect LARGE donations... By the way all the tents and clothing so nicely donated by old ladys and boy scouts IS NOW laying in a heap of garbage... WHERES THE MONEY BOYS??? Hangtownhaven@gmail.com

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • cookie65November 19, 2013 - 2:15 pm

    Eddie, the synopsis you offer has been repeated more times in history than full moons. Ecc 1:9 What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Eddie EbacherNovember 19, 2013 - 3:47 pm

    My People perish for lack of knowledge.Hosea The sermon on the mount is how WE all should approach life... BUT PHAROH will not allow the children of israel a City of Refuge..

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Fran DuchampNovember 19, 2013 - 3:15 pm

    eddie--upload the vids to the net...its a simple thing to do...then we can all ask

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Eddie EbacherNovember 19, 2013 - 3:37 pm

    I will upload vids to my own network channel Placerville Area Television www.youtube.com/thecozmictv

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • CCRNovember 19, 2013 - 3:22 pm

    second that

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Fran DuchampNovember 19, 2013 - 3:49 pm

    Eddie...ive subscribed to your youtube....look forward to the vids....if they are what you say...make several dvd s...and give them to friends.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Fran DuchampNovember 19, 2013 - 3:54 pm

    No sermons--upload the vids Eddie...or you will lose people.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • cookie65November 19, 2013 - 4:10 pm

    James, do you remember me telling you I couldn't care less if someone wanted to marry their German Shepard? I take it back. http://www.kcra.com/news/socal-man-charged-with-sexually-assaulting-dog/-/11797728/23053598/-/ro0hs0z/-/index.html

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • CCRNovember 19, 2013 - 6:09 pm

    Cookie rumour has it they're engaged

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • James E.November 19, 2013 - 4:25 pm

    Cookie, I once worked for the California Bureau of Investigation and Identification. I was a young pup then and received an extensive education in kinky sex stuff. As a naive kid, I had no idea all that stuff was going on. So let me just say that we will always have the poor and always have the kinky people.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Little RickyNovember 20, 2013 - 11:40 am

    Sit Jimmy.... Woof....

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • cookie65November 19, 2013 - 7:14 pm

    James, according to sources, if you need an elective abortion in the DC area ocommycare has you covered but if you need a hearing aid your on your own.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
.

News

 
Goodbye LUPPU, hello LRPU

By Chris Daley | From Page: A1, 3 Comments

Past due state taxes bring arrest

By Cole Mayer | From Page: A1, 8 Comments

 
Sanford trial: Prosecution, defense rest

By Cole Mayer | From Page: A1 | Gallery

 
Woman, dog back from Oso

By Wendy Schultz | From Page: A1, 8 Comments | Gallery

 
 
DA candidate to remain on ballot

By Dawn Hodson | From Page: A9

Dog talk with Uncle Matty: Benji and the Bickersons

By Matthew Margolis | From Page: A10

 
CPCSD seat unfilled

By Dawn Hodson | From Page: A14, 1 Comment

Lew Uhler backs Ranalli

By News Release | From Page: A14, 6 Comments

 
.

Letters

Evacuation

By Letters to the Editor | From Page: A7, 6 Comments

 
District 4 candidate

By Letters to the Editor | From Page: A7, 12 Comments

Open meetings

By Letters to the Editor | From Page: A7, 5 Comments

 
Volunteers and homeless camps

By Letters to the Editor | From Page: A7, 25 Comments

Bicycle events and traffic control

By Letters to the Editor | From Page: A7, 5 Comments

 
.

Sports

Jennings wins national title

By Democrat Staff | From Page: A11, 1 Comment | Gallery

 
Savannah Stephens can swing the bat

By Jerry Heinzer | From Page: A11 | Gallery

King of the West roars into Placerville

By Gary Thomas | From Page: A11

 
First and goal: Bunt etiquette

By Mike Bush | From Page: A11

Oak Ridge suffers tough 2-1 setback

By Mike Bush | From Page: A11

 
Roundup: April 17, 2014

By Democrat Staff | From Page: A12 | Gallery

.

Prospecting

Plantastic sale this Saturday

By Dawn Hodson | From Page: B1 | Gallery

 
Spring art brightens government center

By Democrat Staff | From Page: B2 | Gallery

Things to do: April 18, 2014

By Democrat Calendar | From Page: B2

 
Time out: A grand time at Grand China

By Earle Camembert | From Page: B3 | Gallery

Temple Kol Shalom hosts Passover Seder

By News Release | From Page: B3

 
Student art featured for Third Saturday

By News Release | From Page: B3

Promenade in high style

By Historic Old Sacramento | From Page: B4

 
Sac State Presents ‘Gypsy’

By California State Unversity, Sacramento | From Page: B4

Friday nights are engaging at the de Young

By Fine Arts | From Page: B5

 
Hats On For the Kids raises money for children

By Democrat Staff | From Page: B6

See what is inside the vault

By Center For Sacramento History | From Page: B6

 
Eggstravaganza

By Fairytale Town | From Page: B6

Gallery tips a hat to Dr. Seuss

By Democrat Staff | From Page: B7

 
Museum presents ‘Diesel Days’

By California State Railroad Museum | From Page: B7

Engagement: Adam Frega and Wednesday Bienusa

By Democrat Staff | From Page: B8

 
Duty: Air Force Airman Brian Polk

By Democrat Staff | From Page: B8

Cal Stage presents a season of challenging productions

By California Stage | From Page: B8

 
Duty: Army Pfc. Kyle W. Beasy

By Democrat Staff | From Page: B8

KVIE calls for artists

By Kvie | From Page: B9

 
A Couple of Blaguards tell tales

By Harris Center for the Arts | From Page: B9

America’s ClayFest II celebrates a rich history

By Blue Line Arts | From Page: B14

 
Fine Arts Museums feature two shows

By Fine Arts | From Page: B15

See wildflowers on train ride

By Railtown | From Page: B15

 
Easter at Northstar is family friendly

By Northstar California | From Page: B15

.

Essentials

Crime Log: March 28-30

By Cole Mayer | From Page: A2

 
.

Obituaries

Roy Cluness Chaix

By Contributor | From Page: A2

 
Frederick Wilbur Heymann

By Contributor | From Page: A2

Arthur W. Cornell

By Contributor | From Page: A2

 
Frank “Bud” Kraus Jr.

By Contributor | From Page: A2

.

Real Estate

Faster sales with spring staging

By Ken Calhoon | From Page: HS4

 
Coldwell Banker outsells the competition

Press Release | From Page: HS7

Handsome Redmond suits modern families

Press Release | From Page: HS11

 
Growing your own

By Marni Jameson | From Page: HS14

 
Fraud workshop scheduled

Press Release | From Page: HS21

HCD launches assistance program

Press Release | From Page: HS22, 1 Comment

 
EZ Mortgages Inc. opens Placerville office

By News Release | From Page: HS22, 2 Comments

.

Comics

TV Listings

By Contributor | From Page: A13

 
Sudoku

By Contributor | From Page: A13

Speed Bump

By Contributor | From Page: A13

 
Working It Out

By Contributor | From Page: A13

Shoe

By Contributor | From Page: A13

 
Rubes

By Contributor | From Page: A13

Tundra

By Contributor | From Page: A13

 
Horoscope, Friday, April 18, 2104

By Contributor | From Page: A14

New York Times Crossword

By Contributor | From Page: A14

 
Horoscope, Sunday, April 20, 2014

By Contributor | From Page: A14

Horoscope, Saturday, April 19, 2014

By Contributor | From Page: A14

 
.

Home Source

Faster sales with spring staging

By Ken Calhoon | From Page: HS4

Coldwell Banker outsells the competition

Press Release | From Page: HS7

Handsome Redmond suits modern families

Press Release | From Page: HS11

Growing your own

By Marni Jameson | From Page: HS14

Fraud workshop scheduled

Press Release | From Page: HS21

HCD launches assistance program

Press Release | From Page: HS22, 1 Comment

EZ Mortgages Inc. opens Placerville office

By News Release | From Page: HS22, 2 Comments