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Immigration reform social issues highlighted

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Editor’s note — This is part 4 of a four-part series on immigration reform legislation that is making its way through Congress.

Social capital and immigration reform

Supporters of S. 744 believe that legalizing the 11 million to 12 million aliens in the country will “bring them out of the shadows” and help them eventually assimilate into American society.

However, conservative commentators like Pat Buchanan worry about the social cost of legalizing millions of people from Third World countries since that is where the majority come from.

He notes that the crime rate among Hispanics is about three times that of white Americans and their illegitimacy rate is 53 percent, which means a greater dependency on welfare.

Hispanics are also much more likely to join gangs, which means more gang and drug-related violence in this country. Hispanic gangs routinely set up marijuana growing operations in the national forests and the Sinaloa Cartel, led by Mexican kingpin Joaquin Guzman, accounts for 80 percent of the U.S. methamphetamine trade. According to a report from the Council on Foreign Relations, more than 40,000 people have been killed in drug-related violence in Mexico since 2006 and that violence is now spilling over the U.S. border.

Political scientist Robert Putnam says America actually needs a time-out from mass immigration, regardless if it’s legal or illegal. Making hash out of the cliché that “diversity is our strength,” Putnam studied the topic and concluded that ethnic and racial diversity can be “devastating to communities and destructive of community values.”

Rather than enrich a community, diversity promotes isolation, less volunteering, less giving to charity, and less time devoted to community projects, he said. Instead of building social capital, it ends up with people hunkering down alone in front of their TVs or computers.

According to Buchanan, with the immigration bill granting amnesty to 12 million illegal immigrants, an open door to their dependents and a million new immigrants each year, almost all from the Third World, America in 2040 is going to look like Los Angeles today. Yet, it was in L.A. that Putnam found social capital at its most depleted and exhausted.

The proposed immigration reform bill would also make the majority of amnestied illegal aliens and many new immigrants, plus their descendants unto the seventh generation, eligible for affirmative action. That translates into preferential treatment in hiring, admission to college, racial/ethnic set-aside programs, contracting and other privileges.

The amnesty lottery and global warming refugees?

The immigration reform bill has set off a frenzy among countries hoping to get more favorable treatment of their citizens. Mexico is at the forefront of this effort, but other countries like Ireland, South Korea and El Salvador have had a hand in drafting the immigration reform bill to benefit their citizens.

According to Ronil Hira, a professor at the Rochester Institute of Technology, “Every country is going to try to negotiate its own carve-out,” saying that countries like Tibet, Hong Kong and parts of Africa are looking for special benefits. Helping these different countries are lobbyists like Brian Smith, a White House aide during the Clinton Administration; Scott Perven, a former Senate aide; Kirsten Chadwick, a former Bush White House aide; and Jonathan Wakely, a former CIA political analyst.

In the midst of this, amendments to the bill have been discussed that cater to different constituencies. Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., for example, wants to allow workers who stay in the country past their visa period to remain on the path to citizenship.

Sen. Brian Schatz, D-Hawaii, wants an amendment that would allow “stateless people” in the U.S. to become citizens if their nations have been made uninhabitable by “climate change.” Schatz claims that more than 32 million people fled their homes around the world due to climate-related disasters, with Africa and Asia experiencing the worst impacts.

It has even been discussed to make refugee resettlement available to anyone assumed to be persecuted.

Local impacts minimal

Asked for comments regarding the bill’s local effect, the opinions were mixed. One grower, who did not want to be identified, said he doesn’t use illegal immigrants because there are plenty of local workers to draw on. But it’s in the valley that it’s a problem, he said. They need a lot of workers, especially during harvest time. But most Americans don’t want to do that kind of work, he added.

Sheriff John D’Agostini said most of what he knows about the bill is limited to what he has heard about it in the media and he believes that amnesty is not an option. “The word illegal immigrant says it all,” he said. “There is a right way for people to become legal.”

Saying that allowing people to be here unlawfully was a threat to public safety, he noted, “We don’t know who’s coming across our borders because they are so porous.”

Claiming the bill is full of “smoke and mirrors,” he believes the bottom line is that nothing will change as long as amnesty is included in the bill. “We need a true, honest effort to make our borders secure,” he said, “and to have people enter legally. Until that happens, nothing will change.”

Laurel Brent-Bumb, who is CEO of the El Dorado County Chamber of Commerce, had a different take, saying she believes it’s time for immigration reform.

“A lot of agriculture (production) depends on seasonal workers and the majority of them have been migrant workers and in many cases, it’s been generational,” she said. “We need to strike a delicate balance and the question is how to get them out of the shadows and at the same time be fair to all. I don’t know what the perfect solution is, but we need to find an equitable solution. We know many adults are here illegally, but what about their children who had no say in the matter? It’s important to the economy to have reliable workers for agriculture and I think it’s time for immigration reform.”

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Discussion | 44 comments

  • DB SmithAugust 13, 2013 - 4:32 pm

    If California AB 817 is passed, it will allow non-citizens to work at the polls.

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  • Hatchet JackAugust 14, 2013 - 8:26 am

    The idiots running this state and country have turned America into an illegals' dream. Rewarding ILLEGALS with free welfare has ruined our state and country. We are being over run by ILLEGALS and they are laughing at us all the way to the bank. Our politicians DONT CARE! They have their own agenda. Obummer defends the blacks and their 150 yr old chip on their shoulder, "that won't go away". Bummers own words. I never thought I'd live to see a black (part) muslim running this country. We are doomed. Why we continue to let people who's religion teaches them to HATE us simply because we are Americans, into this country only tells that he and they are slowly slithering in and will continue to prey on us simply because we are who we are. And he could care less. After all he sides with them and apologizes for America. SERIOUSLY?????

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  • James E.August 14, 2013 - 9:00 am

    Mr. Jack, if you can hold out a couple of years the black (part) Muslim running this country will be replaced by a white woman who will bring you happiness.

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  • DanielAugust 14, 2013 - 9:34 am

    To summarize your four-part report, we shouldn't pass the proposed immigration reform because: 1. "illegals" are mostly disease-ridden, criminal prone parasites. 2. Most "illegals" are Hispanic. 3. Ergo, Hispanics are disease-ridden, criminal prone parasites: the tired old "Latino Threat Narrative," from the book by the same title. So say your primary sources, FAIR, a designated hate group; Heritage, whose "study" was not on the proposed Senate bill and was run by a self-proclaimed white supremacist who has since been fired; Pat Buchanan, a well-known racist, anti-Semitic, anti-immigrant, xenophobic, nativist, far-right paleoconservative pundit whose "work" on immigration has been widely criticized and refuted; and a smattering of "academics" you found on the interwebs who support your preconceived conclusions and have been refuted by their peers. For good measure, you throw in our local sheriff (why??) who admits he knows little about the bill, and then proceeds to bash it as if though an expert. About four fifths of your word count goes to bashing immigrants, reform and Hispanics and about one fifth presents an alternative view. I know you veiled this project as an objective journalistic report, but I see it as an opinion piece, with a very clear and strong opinion and agenda at that. The MD should be ashamed. You can do better. You have to do better! I suggest you turn to your own local excellent UC Davis who has well-known immigration experts who would make mincemeat out of the "data" you use to support your 4-part anti-immigrant hispano-phobic opinion piece. Your piece started with a conclusion and then worked backwards from there. Look up "confirmation bias," "motivated cognition" and "cherry picking fallacy." Your "report" would be a text-book case study of those.

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  • Fran DuchampAugust 14, 2013 - 9:54 am

    Hispania is not in Mexico...just saying. So Hispanics would be more "European"...oh wait Im of European children are Americans with Mexican descent...and French...and Finish...and "Texan" (because that part of the family feels they are their own country...lolol) Now Spaniards would have been closer to the word Hispanics. But they came from Spain--not Mexico. Think "one world" is happening all over...not just here. In some places they can not flag their National flags...Read.

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  • Fran DuchampAugust 14, 2013 - 9:55 am

    sorry fly their National flags...

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  • Fran DuchampAugust 14, 2013 - 9:59 am

    lolol...another family member wants people to know that they are "Spanish"...and were born in Spain...or Castilian...but not Hispanic.

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  • 1036-FrankAugust 14, 2013 - 5:46 pm

    Everyone should agree, that this area should be given back to the true owners. Hispanics from Spain who were here in the 1500's and owned the entire southwest. The Spanish are entitled to this state, and they are welcome to it, the laws might be better, taxes lower and they couldn't be worse then Moonbeam and the liberal nightmare. the Euro can be used as a better currency, and at least their socialism could be expected. At the same time this nation should simply adopt Mexico's immigration laws. By the way, they are harsh and don't include welfare and ignored illegal entry. For illegal entries they still use a firing squad, or for the lucky few, those thought to be able to pay, kidnaps and ransom demands or arranged prison murders as penalty for non-payment.

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  • James E.August 14, 2013 - 5:58 pm

    Frank, Spain didn't own the West, they just took it like those who followed just took it from them. There were no deeds filed at the local recorder's office, with alleged land grants from the King merely a cover for the theft of land from the Indians. And, Mexico puts illegals in front of a firing squad? You have an active imagination.

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  • 1036-FrankAugust 14, 2013 - 6:27 pm

    James; your theory is partially correct, each area of this continent was ruled by the strongest tribes who conquered the weaker tribes, the Spanish, arriving with armor, cannon, rifles, swords, and horses were able to conquer the southwest with a few thousand soldiers. They were able to hold their lands for a few hundred years and would have a valid claim to these lands now. At the same time, about Mexico, I should of said it this way, you enter their country illegally and you will be most likely found shot to death by unknown persons, if you are so lucky to go to prison, you have no jury trial as they don't exist, and you will await a ransom demand or a murder, you are welcome to test your theory that I am wrong. I wouldn't think you will want to try it.

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  • James E.August 14, 2013 - 6:30 pm

    Frank, yes, you stated the firing squad thing better on your second try. No, question, wandering around Mexico can get you killed. And, no, I have no plans to wander around Mexico and get killed.

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  • cookie65August 15, 2013 - 7:19 am

    piglosi wants to turn California into a sanctuary state.

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  • rodAugust 15, 2013 - 9:18 am

    Daniel, Look at what illegal immigration has done for this state. A state once prosperous from its agriculture, now depressed by environmentalism and reduced to a huge welfare state. Its NOT WORKING, all results of liberal think. The tax base is leaving in droves leaving behind.. what? Daniel if your eyes are open and you don't see the destruction illegal immigration has wrought, then you are, in every respect, a leftist, a mindless (ideologue) moron. No disrespect intended, just an observation. Wonder if your last name is Garon?

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  • DanielAugust 15, 2013 - 12:02 pm

    I was criticizing the quality of MD's "report." But, since you brought it up, first of all, calling me a moron doesn't help. And of course it's meant in disrespect. It is absurd to claim otherwise. We really do need to elevate the debate above name calling OK? This isn't fifth grade anymore and bullying and hating on those with differing views will destroy our great nation. Secondly, I question the validity of your argument based on its faulty premises. You describe CA as some sort of failed welfare state caused by environmentalism, and you claim that all of that somehow was caused by "illegal" immigrants. You've drawn dots on a page and you have connected them without showing any sort of backing for the rest of us to ponder. It's pretty difficult to even argue with such mangled logic. CA is in the top ten of world national economies. It is a force unto its own. Its recession is a national recession. Over the last year, it has led the nation in job growth, and in case you didn't notice, we will have a surplus next year. So much for fleeing tax dollars. The myth of dollars leaving the state is just that, a myth, supported by a few notable anecdotes. If "illegals" are powerful enough to destroy CA's economy than you would have to credit them with making it strong to begin with, and with its recent path to recovery. They have been here since even before the very beginning of statehood. That is simply following your twisted logic. To sum it up, there is absolutely zero evidence to support any of your assertions. Back to the drawing board you go! And try to aim higher than regurgitating a nonsensical random jumble of far right talking points you copied and pasted from talk radio, Fox news, and the far-right "liberal conspiracy" interwebs. Aim higher the MD "journalist" who did this "report." I suggest you read a book or two or three on the subject, read some academic studies, read the non-partisan agency reports from CBO and others. Stay away from propaganda machines. They will eat your brain and make you hate those that have nothing to do with our economic ills. They will divert your attention from those who are truly responsible. That's what they want, you see?

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  • DanielAugust 15, 2013 - 12:21 pm

    One more thing to ponder rod: How do you explain the "failed welfare state" of CA (caused by environmentalists and "illegals" according to your dot map) being in the top 10 of states that give more in fed tax $ than they receive? And why are the top 10 either blue or purple states? And why are the bottom 10, i.e. those states that receive more than they give, red states, including the tea party utopia of Texas? And why are at least two of the "giver" states the states with the most "illegals"? Maybe you can make sense out of this? Are you outraged that Californians' fed tax $ are taking care of the poor in the deep red south? Is that really fair? Yeah, but then Texas gets bragging rights for how low its spending is, and how unregulated its exploding factories are, and how dirty its air/water, and how it has zero state taxes, and low corp. taxes, and how it attracts crappy minimum wage jobs, ... oh wait...

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  • americano nativoAugust 15, 2013 - 2:36 pm

    me voy a expresar de la manera mas educada posible y siempre y cuando respetando las culturas , la historia real y la descendencia pura de los americanos nativos. mi opinion acerca de la reforma migratoria consiste en agradecer el engrandecimiento de america del norte debido a todos los inmigrantes ilegales que han puesto su vida y su trabajo en tierras desconocidas y empezando desde cero hasta obtener todo lo que poseen hasta hoy, los hispanos son gente trabajadora que vienen a norteamerica a dejar sus años mas utiles de vida aqui en u.s.a. para poder tener una vida mas digna que en latinoamerica no pueden merecer por varias razones obvias, pero estoy en desacuerdo con las opiniones escritas y comentarios ofensivos hacia mi raza hispana de la cual me siento muy orgullosa porque somos gente trabajadora y responsable. no somos consumidores de drogas como los norteamericanos,y no todos generalmente usamos las ayudas sociales como welfare. no somos parasitos y no estamos esfermos de sida como los norteamericanos. no somos parasitos porque todos trabajamos y vivimos con el dinero de neustro trabajo sin pedir prestado al banco. no tenemos credito que nos facilitan la vida. usamos cash para oagar nuestras cosas y no pedimos pagar en pagos. no somos parasitos porque trabajamos y siempre y no estamos enfrente de una computadora o un televisor haciendonos mas gordos. estamos siempre trabajando y tratamos de respetar las reglas de este pais mas que todos ustedes los norteamericanos. nosotros los hispanos no somos drogadictos, no somos enfermos de tabaco. no somos gordos. no somos enfermos de sida. por eso pido respeto a mi raza.

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  • americano nativoAugust 15, 2013 - 2:44 pm

    exijo respeto por esas personas que solo vienen a trabajar. por favor no generalizen a todos los hispanos por ser hispanos no todos somos iguales. aqui en placerville los hispanos movemos mucho dinero y damos empleo a norteamericanos. nosotros dejamos mucho dinero en nuestros cheque que nos quitan el IRS y nunca lo reclamamos. el dinero que el IRS se queda y nunca entrega a todos esos trabajadores que no tienen papeles para trabajar, pero el IRS quita cheque a cheque sin falta de todos esos trabajadores de restaurantes y del campo. el campo es un trabajo duro y humilde. nunca he visto a un norteamericano trabajando en el campo. nunca he mirado a un norteamericano trabajando duro como los hispanos. por eso no digan tonterias sobre los hispanos. den gracias que hacemos el trabajo duro mientras tus bebes pasean en sus patinetas y nosotros los hispanos producimos el dinero que entregamos al welfare para la matyoria de parasitos norteamericanos que existen y que aqui en placerville en cada esquina los puedes ver.

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  • americano nativoAugust 15, 2013 - 2:49 pm

    yo soy mas americano que ustedes mismos. yo soy de estas tierras. yo nunca vine de afuera. norteamerica ya existia desde antes de existir U.S.A.... ustedes critican sin saber porque los verdaderos americanos somos nosotros los hispanos y latinoamericanos. el himno nacional de estados unidos lo hizo un inmigrante. y todo lo que existe en u.s.a. fue hecho por inmigrantes. lo minimo que merecemos nosotros en este pais es respeto por nuestra raza y papeles para vivir comodamente. no queremos estar escondidos. queremos seguir apoyando a este gran pais. queremos seguir peleando en las guerras tambien. nosotros los hispanos queremos hacer mas fuerte con nuestra sangre trabajadora y limpia. queremos compartir nuestra sangre limpia sin drogas para producir a muchos norteamericanos nacidos aqui para que sean fuertes y trabajadores.

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  • americano nativoAugust 15, 2013 - 2:52 pm

    cuando mires a un inmigrante dale las gracias porque mientras tu duermes y miras tu television, nosotros los hispanos trabajamos y sacamos a U.S.A. de la crisis. nosotros los hispanos somos trabajadores y necesitamos vivir como todos los sere humanos en un ambiente seguro y feliz. nosotros los hispanos somos sangre limpia que trabaja y hace producir dinero a este pais. siempre que mires a un inmigrante dile gracias.

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  • Jose' & Hose BAugust 15, 2013 - 3:15 pm

    native sound more Mexican than Indian. News flash: We speak ENGLISH here. Your dribble is wasted.

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  • EvelynAugust 15, 2013 - 4:01 pm

    Jose' - The person signing in as "americano nativo" quite clearly is speaking for Hispanics and people from Latin America. Nowhere in his text does he claim to be Indian. Google Translate (here) - imperfect but easy to use - is available for anyone wanting to know what was written.

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  • DanielAugust 15, 2013 - 4:15 pm

    Muy bien dicho Americano nativo. En solidaridad contigo. No les prestes atención a los ignorantes de nuestra historia que no saben otra cosa sino odiar e insultar.

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  • DanielAugust 15, 2013 - 4:28 pm

    Three quick cultural and historical lessons Hose B: 1. The word "americano" in Latin America usually refers to any resident of the Americas (North, South, the whole hemisphere). Thus, "nativo americano" means native to the hemisphere. It doesn't translate to "American" as in a U.S. citizen. Latin Americans often refer to Americans as "norteamericanos". 2. Most Mexicans are either pure indigenous (about 30%) or "mestizo" (about 60%) who are a mix of European (usually Spaniard) and indigenous. 3. Spanish is the original European language of what is now U.S. territory, beat English by about a century. When you say "California," "Sacramento," "Rancho Cordoba," "Camino," "Amador," or "El Dorado," you are in fact speaking Spanish. The "placer" in Placerville comes from placer mineral deposits, which comes from a Spanish Word ("plaza"). Placer in Spanish also means pleasure. Try to be more open minded and tolerant. Given the real U.S. history, it's downright un-American to not know at least a few words of Spanish, or a Native American language if you prefer.

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  • DanielAugust 15, 2013 - 4:39 pm

    List of U.S. place names of Spanish origin:

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  • Jose" and hose BAugust 15, 2013 - 4:39 pm

    Evelyn, Most of us in the USA consider Indians when Native American is seen. I do and with the utmost respect for them...the Indians. The post from that person is directed to Mexicans who haven't thought to learn OUR language here first. It's pathetic! They come here for the free handouts our state and feds are giving them. This pathetic state has been over run by illegals and hispanic politicans wanting to give illegals everything so that they can win their vote. The mere fact that they want to grant amnesty to millions of ILLEGALS...(again ILLEGALS) who have entered OUR country ILLEGALLY is beyond me. Rewarding illegal acts with a free ride is so stupid and pathetic I am without words. If you don't get that, then return your liberal head to the sand.

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  • EvelynAugust 15, 2013 - 4:47 pm

    José: As you should know, having one's head in the sand is quite stultifying. But it does cut out all that messy reading.

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  • Hose BAugust 15, 2013 - 4:52 pm

    Daniel, que se perdió el punto de

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  • DanielAugust 15, 2013 - 4:53 pm

    Speaking of speaking English, "amnesty" means a general pardon, an act of forgiveness or overlooking. The Senate bill has some pretty harsh consequences and a very long wait before an immigrant can even get on a path to citizenship. I know your side likes to use the word "amnesty," because it evokes a whole lot of anger and hate. But it's really not good English, is it? And if you knew a few words of Spanish like all good Americans should, you would know that "americano nativo" says time and again they come here to work, not for the free services, which they don't qualify for anyway. He also points out how much is taken out of their paychecks in the form of payroll taxes that they'll never see a dime of. I read a study recently that shows that "illegals" (as you love to refer to them) have actually pushed out the Social Security date of exhaustion by decades because of all their unclaimed dollars they've put in. They also pay all other taxes (sales, property, fees, fuel, etc.) that you and I pay.

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  • 1036-FrankAugust 15, 2013 - 4:56 pm

    Romney was 100% correct when he said the people from all countries here illegally either by illegal entry or expired Visa will need to return home and apply for citizenship like everyone else. What part of enforcing our laws don't people get? Because their leader Mr. Bummer doesn't like laws? Keeping the border open for potential Democrat voters and having food stamp advertisements in Mexico is a crime that should be charged as Treason. The welfare state and nation that has tripled by the Bummer is the national problem facing every legal US resident, it is unsustainable and wrecking the little that is left .

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  • DanielAugust 15, 2013 - 4:59 pm

    Very good Hose B! Not great grammar but it's a great start. You've earned some respect from me for the attempt. It didn't kill you did it? And it is indeed to your point since you brought up the false myth that "we speak English here." That's really never been completely true now has it? The first CA constitution was written in both languages, and consider the hundreds of cultures and languages there were already here before any European even set foot.

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  • DanielAugust 15, 2013 - 5:08 pm

    Romney? Who's Romney? Oh yes! The foolish rich guy who lost all Hispanic moderates that the GOP once held in their camp, when he stupidly suggested we treat Hispanic "illegal" immigrants so cruelly that will be forced to leave on their own accord. And then he advocated for that unconstitutional law in Arizona at the federal level. That guy! Won him the election, no? Oh wait... And by the way, it is a very old American tradition to disrespect laws that are unrespectable. That's why I think "illegals" are being very American when they commit civil code violations to come here to work. And there is a strong demand. Prohibitions of stuff Americans will do anyway (booze, hiring "illegals", pot smoking, etc.) never work. True patriotic Americans disrespect all those dumb laws all the time. You have to admit: our immigration system is grotesquely dysfunctional and out of step with the needs of a modern global economy. Don't forget that immigration reform means a whole lot more than just dealing with the "illegal" problem.

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  • DB SmithAugust 15, 2013 - 6:02 pm

    Danny boy, why should "all good Americans know a few words of Spanish"? I know the words Taco and Burrito so does that make me a good American? I even know a little French. Whoopie! If the Mexicans in Mexico don't know any English does that make them bad Mexicans? The disturbing key word for this legal and english speaking American is, "illegal". It doesn't matter to me what country you're from as long as you came through the system legally. You provided the definition of amnesty. Do I need to provide you the definition of illegal?

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  • americano nativoAugust 15, 2013 - 6:11 pm

    desde hoy podre publicar mis comentarios en español por que es la lengua que predomina en el mundo entero. puedo publicar tambien en ingles porque estoy preparado para esto "yo soy Bilingüe" y mis hijos tambien son Bilingües. mis hijos ven el mundo con los colores del español y el ingles. mis hijos tienen madurez para expresarse por sus dos naciones. mis hijos respetan a todos lo seres humanos de cualquier parte del mundo. mis hijos son esa nueva generacion de "americanos". nueva generacion de americanos que poco a poco estan cambiando para bien a este pais. todos los hijos de inmigrantes que han venido a este pais a dar la vida con su trabajo y respetar a todo mundo. ya basta de que juzguemos de mal manera a nuestros vecinos de latinoamerica que han logrado de esta nacion U.S.A. lo que es ahora una fuerza laboral mundialmente reconicida y envidiada por muchos paises que tratan de imitar el modelo de U.S.A. muchos paises quisieran tener esa fuerza laboral hispana que tiene U.S.A. pero los latinoamericanos decidimos apoyar a este gran pais.

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  • americano nativoAugust 15, 2013 - 6:20 pm

    todos los inmigrantes vienen a U.S.A. para trabajar. y muchos norteamericanos les consta que lo hacemos y muy bien. nosotros agradecemos a este pais el poco tiempo que nos permite entrar y quedarnos por medio de permisos o TPS.todo el tiempo que estamos aqui en U.S.A. lo aprovechamos totalmente y no andamos perdiendo el tiempo. siempre trabajamos para comprar nuestros autos, nuestra casa, nuestros seguros de casa y autos, pagamos nuestras impuestos. y regresamos a nuestros paises agradecidos. nosotros los latinoamericanos luchamos por quedarnos en este gran pais y lo vamos a lograr porque ya es tiempo de que no solamente regresemos cuando nos autorizan para volver a trabajar. ya es tiempo de volver a U.S.A. a disfrutar tambien un poco de lo que nos pertenece y que hemos logrado con nuestro trabajo. ahora nosotros venimos a U.S.A. para trabajar y despues volvemos a nuestros paises de origen para tratar de vivir un poco mejor que antes. pero ya es tiempo que U.S.A. nos habra las puertas para quedarnos y poder seguir apoyando esa gran nacion de la que yo personalmente me considero un soldado mas de batalla, y que mis hermanos hispanos y latinoamericanos entregamos dia a dia cuando el sol sale y regresamos a casa canzados y mas viejos que el dia anterior.

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  • americano nativoAugust 15, 2013 - 6:30 pm

    todos sabemos y sabemos muy bien que nosotros los inmigrantes ofrecemos la vida en combate tambien, todos sabemos que agachamos la cabeza por respeto siempre, todos sabemos que somos pacificos y respetuosos, y todos sabemos que si por algun motivo nos hemos quedado aqui es porque la mezcla de nuestras razas se ha quedado aqui para siempre y que existen matrimonios de diferentes mezclas entre todos los inmigrantes con ustedes los llamados norteamericanos. los inmigrantes no perdemos el tiempo que nos da el gobierno para trabajar, cada hora de nuestra estancia en este pais nos cuesta sudor, esfuerzo, y no solamente hacemos fila en las oficinas de ayuda de este condado, por necesidad muchas personas recurren a esa ayuda monetaria o de comida, pero realmente la utilizan en su familia. a todas esas personas que piensan que un inmigrante es una carga para este pais, les digo que se miren a un espejo y si ustedes norteamericanos se atreverian a hacer nuestro trabajo duro y pesado, nosotros jamas volveriamos para U.S.A. pero como somos necesarios para producir y hacer fuerza laboral que rinda fruto y dinero, para que ustedes los norteamericanos puedan llevar esa vida tan ligera que dia a dia la disfrutan gracias a que existimos nosotros los inmigrantes.

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  • Phil VeerkampAugust 15, 2013 - 6:44 pm

    americano nativo - Si ustéd es native porqué habla el Español. El Español es una lengua de Europa. Mentiras! Qué lastima, mentirador. Lo siento, pendejo.

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  • James E.August 15, 2013 - 7:00 pm

    Phil, Ich spreche kein Spanisch. Seien Sie freundlich.

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  • Phil VeerkampAugust 15, 2013 - 7:06 pm

    James, ich kan zie nicht versten. Ein schnaps bite?

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  • Fran DuchampAugust 15, 2013 - 7:07 pm

    I spy wit' ye eye all ye pirates has be fightin' wit' their translators. Lolololol at least thar be some laughter on 'tis wall.

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  • James E.August 15, 2013 - 7:29 pm

    Phil, a shot of schnaps will bring back memories of Germany.

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  • kggAugust 15, 2013 - 8:38 pm

    captial punishment execution by firing squad is legal in oklahoma.

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  • Viajero InternacionalAugust 15, 2013 - 8:39 pm

    Hola! Les mando besos a Kim Kerr y Vern Pierson y Joe Harn y Terri Daly y Jeanne Harper .

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  • James E.August 15, 2013 - 10:59 pm

    Speaking a language is wonderful, but it does cut off those of us who did not take Spanish I, II, or III. Any change of getting back to the King's English? Or, as Cookie would say, the Obama's English.

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  • James E.August 15, 2013 - 11:14 pm

    *** delete change, add chance.

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