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On the job since September, Human Resources Director Pamela Knorr told El Dorado County Board of Supervisors Tuesday she was cautioned about taking her new position. She said “lots of people called and said, ‘Are you crazy?’” The county is perceived by folks in other jurisdictions as a place where HR managers go to fail, or perhaps more positively, a place just to get trained and move on, she said. The HR Department has had 11 different directors in fewer than 11 years.

Knorr’s remarks were prelude to a larger discussion about creating and maintaining a “Respectful Workplace” through development of enforceable policies and procedures. Often and commonly categorized under the heading of “anti-bullying,” the county initiated formal policies to counter bullying in the workplace last April. Due to the issue’s complexity, Chief Administrative Officer Terri Daly asked for more time to work on the matter. Tuesday’s special board meeting fine-tuned some personnel policy issues and directed staff to incorporate disparate and redundant policies or procedures into a single document of Personnel Rules. When finalized, the Respectful Workplace policy will reside there.

The cost in money and lost productivity for not setting and enforcing “anti-bullying” policies or other variations on workplace harassment, intimidation and the like can be a huge liability to the county, Knorr said. She described a recent case in Sacramento’s San Juan School District. For failing to follow up on and take appropriate action on allegations of “harassment and retaliation” against the former superintendent, the district is now having to deal with $17 million in claims. That is on top of the more than $175,000 spent on investigating the allegations and the district’s response, she said. An elected school board member also was “censured” over the issue.

While there are federal civil rights laws and regulations in place, such as non-discrimination for race, religion, gender, ethnicity or other circumstances that are a “protected class of people,” Knorr noted that the county does not have a “policy or procedure to report disrespectful conduct violations.” And “this is not about one employee parking in another employee’s parking spot,” she emphasized.

Complaints are handled under the federal Equal Employment Opportunity system if they involve a member of a “protected class,” Knorr said. However, dealing with non-EEO cases requires a less formal approach. “We’ll sit down with the department heads if we hear a number of complaints,” she said, adding that the process typically involves a “workplace culture assessment.” That is, look to see if there is a systemic problem caused by or influenced by personalities or traditions that may have developed over time within a particular department or the county governmental structure as a whole.

Supervisor Ron Mikulaco expressed concern over who would actually make a determination that a complaint warranted any action regarding bullying or disrespect and posited that an employee could potentially use it as a ruse to justify failure to carry out a supervisor’s legitimate instructions.

“Who makes the decision about whether it has impaired the effectiveness of the county; is it when we can’t carry on the business of the county in an efficient and cost-effective way?” he asked.

Revisiting an earlier theme, Assistant Chief Administrative Officer Kim Kerr responded that “not everyone is professional, so we need a mechanism to address when they aren’t.”

Allegations of “disrespectful behavior” or bullying are investigated by representatives of Human Resources, Risk Management and the County Counsel, Knorr explained.

Supervisor Ron Briggs, responding to Mikulaco’s seeming concern with the minutiae in the foregoing conversation, said, “Why are we picking pepper out of a manure pile? This is about policy.”

“The HR director says it’s a badge of honor to get fired from El Dorado County,” Supervisor Ray Nutting  immediately interjected. “It’s stunning — 11 HR directors — what’s wrong?”

Board chairwoman Norma Santiago drew a broader picture of what is needed countywide. She called it a “bottom line foundational structure to (establish) a policy and procedure … to make county employment a positive environment. We want to create a place of productivity and creativity,” she said.

Knorr pointed out that there is a blueprint, what she called a “span of medicine for all this we’re talking about” within current industry practices. She described the first tenet as developing a workplace culture in which “staff hold each other accountable.” Typically, harassment or bullying occurs within sight or earshot of others in the workplace she said. Therefore, it is the responsibility of more than just the “victim” to report the bad behavior. Assessing the “culture” may be done by sending out surveys or questionnaires to employees or providing an online version. The immediate value of such surveys is to get a quick picture of staff views on the work environment.

Knorr described a more formal approach to a cultural assessment by conducting “interactive interviews” with employees and noted that there are competent, professional consulting organizations that could be contracted by the county to perform such a project. The cost for surveys and formal interviews she estimated at about $60,000. One company with which she is familiar would conduct “assessment, coaching and intervention” for about the same amount. A program to provide conflict resolution and communication training would cost about $20,000, she said.

Again Mikulaco voiced objections over the potential loss of time and productivity by employees participating in and completing surveys or participating in lengthy interviews and again asked, “What are we trying to accomplish?”

Daly responded, “You’re losing productivity with people who are afraid,” citing earlier data from Knorr’s slide presentation.

Titled “Symptoms of an Unhealthy Workplace Environment,” the list included “high turnover, increased leave usage or work avoidance.” While fear, anxiety or hopelessness are common expressions of unhealthiness at work, they also are less tangible and more difficult to detect and address. On the other hand, “raised voices, yelling, screaming and intimidation” are more easily recognized and easier to report.

Bullying takes different forms through action or inaction. The former may take place directly in a meeting or public setting, while the latter may be passive such as planting rumors, Knorr explained.

Several members of the audience spoke in support of a strong policy for reporting and dealing with disrespect in the workplace. Melody Lane from Coloma noted that “there are many tools available” then simplified the overall concepts, reiterating something Mikulako had said earlier: “Do the right thing.”

Former employees Sam Koch and Kris Payne related examples of past incidents wherein the county had to pay out significant sums for having mishandled cases of bullying despite the existence of some related policies and procedures.

“I’ve seen things that should have been prevented by policies already in the system,” Payne said.

Koch described a former employee who prevailed in one case, came back to work and eventually won another, even larger settlement with the county based on similar circumstances.

Briggs and Supervisor Brian Veerkamp were on board early as supporters for seeing the county spend the funds as generally recommended by Knorr and complete development of the policies. Veerkamp pointed out that the county needed to “invest in the process for our most valuable and expensive assets,” especially to avoid the kind of costs Knorr presented from the San Juan School District. Briggs also made it clear that any Respectful Workplace policy would have to apply to all those departments that are headed by elected officials as well as those who are appointed by the board. The county’s District Attorney, Treasurer-Tax Collector, Sheriff, Auditor-Controller, Recorder-Clerk, Surveyor and Assessor are all positions elected to four-year terms.
Because most county employees are represented by unions or other bargaining units, Knorr pointed out that any proposed policies would need to be considered relative to issues that might be negotiable or already elements in various labor contracts and Memoranda of Understanding.

Nutting had announced before the discussion that he had a particularly emotional reaction for the issue because of his sister Nancy, who is developmentally delayed and suffered from bullying in childhood. With barely concealed emotion, just before the board voted unanimously to move ahead with the staff recommendations, Nutting said, “I want to bring my family into this.” Holding up a photograph of the Nutting clan, he said, “I dedicate my vote to my sister Nancy … This agenda item will get us there — to treat everyone with dignity. This is a big day for El Dorado County.”

No deadline was set for completion of a draft policy or ordinance, however supervisors make it clear they wanted to see something sooner rather than later.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 23, 2014 - 8:25 pm

    Chris, you note, "The county’s District Attorney, Treasurer-Tax Collector, Sheriff, Auditor-Controller, Recorder-Clerk, Surveyor and Assessor are all positions elected to four-year terms. But Chris, you chose to not report on Chris McCaffree's revelations to the Board of Supervisors about the elected Auditor-Controller, Joe Harn's, abusive behavior. WHY? ~~~LINK - Chris McCaffree names JOE HARN, cites sexual abuse, in OPEN-ON-THE-RECORD BOS meeting~~~ Three relevant statements by Chris McCaffree at ~~~ 00:27:50 ~~~ 01:19:43 ~~~ 03:04:17

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 23, 2014 - 8:32 pm

    . . . and here is a published account by Chris McCaffree from June 27 2013 ~~~ LINK - Creating a climate of fear and intimidation with County employees - June 27 2013 The Mountain Democrat has had a LONG time to investigate and report on Joe Harn. Why have you not. The taxpayers will pick up the bill if Joe's next victim displays enough moxy to sue. You are not doing your job, Mountain Democrat.

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  • James E.January 23, 2014 - 8:48 pm

    Phil, there are no investigative reporters on the MtDemocrat. There will be, sorry to say, no rocking of the boat.

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  • MelodyJanuary 24, 2014 - 10:07 am

    I rocked their boat last April 9th and have been rocking it since 2009. Read the attachments to Agenda Item #3 of Tuesday's Special meeting, particularly about BOS reporter Chris Daley. The problem is epidemic in EDC & with the media in general.

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  • James E.January 23, 2014 - 8:50 pm

    Maybe Sy Hersh will retire to Placerville some day. Until then, no investigative reporters in EDC.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 23, 2014 - 9:07 pm

    James, reporting on Chris McCaffree's "testimony" required no investigating. The decision/failure to report was a judgment call. What were the considerations behind the decision not to report?

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  • James E.January 23, 2014 - 9:58 pm

    Phil, I would have to guess that the decision not to report is tangled in a web of interests that significant people don't want revealed.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 23, 2014 - 10:03 pm

    James, did Evelyn give you the flu by persuading you not to vaccinate?

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  • James E.January 23, 2014 - 10:09 pm

    Phil, she recommended no flu shot -- I took her advice under consideration and then got the flu shot.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 23, 2014 - 10:35 pm

    Evelyn would probably tell you that YOU gave yourself the flu . . . She MAY have been using reverse psychology . . . another attack from the right on the left? . . . hmmm . . .

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  • EvelynJanuary 24, 2014 - 8:35 am

    Nope. It would have been an attack on the left by the left!!!

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  • Staying undergroundJanuary 24, 2014 - 3:06 am

    Well as soon Knorr figures out she needs to deal with harrassers Joe Harn and Kim Kerr, it will be off with her head! Okay maybe just be known as HR #12.

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  • I must be missing somethingJanuary 24, 2014 - 6:42 am

    PV and JE, don't the county employees have union representation. Isn't the County work place governed by state law. McCafferee is someone who hasn't worked for the county in over 5 years. Why do you two men with a lifetime of knowledge deem his testimony as credible. Why didn't he list one name of an abused employee. Are you saying that unionized government employees in California are too afraid to speak out against sexual harassment either upon themselves or a fellow co-worker because of fear. You two have to know better.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 24, 2014 - 6:53 am

    REALLY??? Are you really missing the fact that you post your observation under the moniker, I must be missing something?

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  • I must be missing somethingJanuary 24, 2014 - 7:59 am

    I don't get your meaning. Phil you worked for EID and James was in the military. You two are experienced wise men. Why do you believe Mr McCafferee? Or is this just a political game in your mind for expediency?

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 24, 2014 - 8:45 am

    RE: " Why do you believe Mr McCafferee?" ~~~ Mr. McCaffree's testimony is yet to be impeached. His Testimony before the BOS is consistent with his published account back on June 27 2013. I have no reason to disbelieve Mr. McCaffree. ~~~ LINK - Creating a climate of fear and intimidation with County employees - June 27 2013

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  • Dear AbbyJanuary 24, 2014 - 9:52 am

    missing something ........ you sure are, my dear.

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  • Charlie BrownJanuary 24, 2014 - 4:29 pm

    As a former county employee, the one thing I do know from personal experience, the Employee's Association is only good at taking your money. They will not stand up for anthing that is remotely controversial or even illegal, that's why the county has to spend money on this stupid bullying problem. What a waste of tax payer money, again. The power's that be have known for years who causes the most problems in HR situations, but have done nothing about it. It will take a big law suit to solve the problem, and then everything will go over board the other way and no one will even be able to speak to another employee without some kind of mediator. Thank goodness I'm outta there:) I'll stick to being a cartoon character, much better life!

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 24, 2014 - 8:16 am

    I do not know if the speaker is telling the truth or not--but it is not his story--the women would have to come forward. I do know that sometimes people refuse to believe what is happening. when I was in elementary school, a person who watched over me would inappropriately touch me...I was scared to tell anyone. as I grew older still in elementary school I fixed it myself. The person had bought a new truck. I bought several cans of black paint and covered that truck--windows and all. Neighbors saw and called him. He could do nothing...I had drawn a line. He stopped touching me. Now thinking of other people I know--not just women who have gone through similar incidences..."fear is a factor. even if it wasnt sexual. People are afraid to lose their jobs...they are afraid people will start rumors to ruin them. I was young--I didnt believe in adults...and was afraid of some other kind of punishment. Again I do not know if the speaker is telling the truth...I just find it really odd to have gone through so many HR people. and to hear that one person behind camera say--this is all bull....makes you wonder. Sometimes at the BOS--you can see where things are "staged" or "timed"...several times..breaks will come at odd points--and the BOS will have taken a different turn when they come back in. Any which way--this topic should be addressed. surveys do not work. these people need to be talked to by professionals that they are not afraid of at all....people they can trust to represent them...esp. if the stories are true. The HR dept should demand it...if no one does anything...I would think the whole thing is true. But to believe this system is working--really? with all the gray out there about our local government? and im the softie?

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 24, 2014 - 8:24 am

    This is also key as to why we are hearing about it..."No deadline was set for completion of a draft policy or ordinance" keep looking for the word "ordinance" with most everything...it is not the BOS bringing this word into the forefront of many items...signage, homeless, noise from motorcycles, billboards, rape. I was yelled at once by a boss--I remarked and walked out. I was not fired. Even yelling at an employee is "stress." Could it be for show? Does it mean even with the show nothing is happening as well? I dont know...thing have gotten so odd to me...and I know for me when that is happening--someone is lying.

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  • EvelynJanuary 24, 2014 - 8:30 am

    Investigate Chris McCaffree's allegations. Why would the County not do that?

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  • RaulJanuary 24, 2014 - 8:52 am

    Typical EDC GOB tactic. Take out the potential political opponent before they gain ground (Briggs/Nutting?). Harn knows he would lose to anybody that has integrity and honesty (McCaffrees). Harns only "power" is his ability to intimidate, threaten and lie to stay in office. Many of us county employees, if not most have felt the stench of Harns vindictive breath when refusing to play his psycho games. We have seen many fellow employees have to hide the truth in order to save thier jobs. This is real, this is wrong, this is the enviroment that exist on Fair Lane.

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  • Compass2TruthJanuary 24, 2014 - 9:57 am

    Raul is 100% right concerning the typical GOB tactics. EEO and Personnel policies are relative. Some employees are more equal than others. If you value your job you'll keep your mouth shut. People in positions of power have their 'ways' to intimidate employees into silence. Important concept to also remember that government employees don't have a job--they have a DUTY to uphold their oaths of office. Citizens must remember who these elected officials and public servants work for: WE the PEOPLE.

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  • EvelynJanuary 24, 2014 - 8:47 am

    Chris Daley writes: "The HR Department has had 11 different directors in fewer than 11 years." (Someone else had said 11 directors in 9 years.) Chris McCaffree spoke about this as well. This high turnover must have an explanation and should be investigated.

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  • MelodyJanuary 24, 2014 - 9:13 am

    Evelyn, I was that 'someone' who mentioned 9 directors in 11 years (refer to Wednesday's MD article about 9 candidates in Dist. 4). Those statistics came up during HR Director Kim Knorr's conversation with me and Chris Caffree after the meeting adjourned. BTW, it was 4.5 hours with only one ten minute break. FYI, Chris Daley's reporting skills and his own bully tactics were the topic of our meeting with Publisher Richard Esposito. Refer to my revealing attachments to the BOS Agenda Item #3. Those 16 pages were from the April 9, 2013 agenda item on bully tactics mentioned by Chris Daley.

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  • EvelynJanuary 24, 2014 - 9:22 am

    Thanks, Melody. I think the 9/11 figure also was mentioned at the BOS meeting last year when the new HR Director, Pam Knorr, was welcomed to her job. Those figures must have given her pause!!!

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  • 1036-FrankJanuary 24, 2014 - 8:55 am

    I wonder if the people claiming to want an investigation of charges against any high level employee of "Sexual Harassment" or other charges remember what happened when the women in the Sheriff's Department filed suit for the same and were fired for it? Where were they then? Silent? The county provided law firms to defend the accused and the case was settled for fear of legal fees being assessed and nothing happened and most of the Gob's named in the suit still retired with six figures and laughed all the way to the bank. These proposals for new "bullying" policies are great to put on paper and are "feel good" actions and appear to do something PC and will justify long training sessions, the reality is they will seldom be used against supervisors or managers by some powerless board of investigation without the employee being the one who will pay the price for it. When an employee makes a claim, the county has almost always denied the claim, and handed the claim off to their unlimited funds hired gun law firms to put the employee on trial or run them out of funds.The courts are where these cases end up and usually they don't turn out well for the employee as seen in the blatant case where the Gob's were named, the employees who made the charges fired by one named in the lawsuit, and the Gob's got away with it. There was a huge failure to act against the Gob's in this matter by those in power in the county and is why the case should have gone to the state or feds for action.

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  • EvelynJanuary 24, 2014 - 9:01 am

    Can an elected official be fired?

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  • SliderJanuary 24, 2014 - 9:06 am

    A few of ours should be in prison

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  • EvelynJanuary 24, 2014 - 9:08 am

    Frank: Are you saying that investigating/prosecuting is pointless because the County will provide legal defense to insure minimizing damages?

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  • Oh BrotherJanuary 24, 2014 - 9:55 am

    Pretty sure that's what Frank is saying Evelyn. Funny how Channel 13, or local fox news gets involved with some corrupt doings in this County but not with others. Strange...there must be an investigative reporter somewhere in northern California that would be interested.

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  • Compass2TruthJanuary 24, 2014 - 10:03 am

    The Special Meeting on Tuesday was actually Damage Control. As I mentioned before, most of the scandals in the news are a result of illegal conduct, ethics & policy violations. The rules/laws apply across the board publicly & privately to all employees & civil servants.

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 24, 2014 - 9:09 am

    Recalled: 2011 recalls[edit] In 2011, there were at least 150 recall elections in the United States. Of these, 75 officials were recalled, and nine officials resigned under threat of recall. Recalls were held in 17 states in 73 different jurisdictions. Michigan had the most recalls (at least 30). The year set a record for number of state legislator recall elections (11 elections) beating with previous one-year high (three elections). Three jurisdictions adopted the recall in 2011.[8] Of recall elections, 52 were for city council, 30 were for mayor, 17 were for school board, 11 were for state legislators, one was for prosecuting attorney (York County, Nebraska). The largest municipality to hold a recall was Miami-Dade County, Florida, for mayor.[8] The busiest day was November 8 (Election Day) with 26 recalls. In 34 jurisdictions, recalls were held over multiple days.[8]

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 24, 2014 - 9:10 am

    A recall election (also called a recall referendum or representative recall) is a procedure by which voters can remove an elected official from office through a direct vote before his or her term has ended. Recalls, which are initiated when sufficient voters sign a petition, have a history dating back to the ancient Athenian democracy[1] and are a feature of several contemporary constitutions.

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  • EvelynJanuary 24, 2014 - 9:13 am

    "Psychopaths in power: The Parasite on the Human Super-organism" - HERE

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  • cookie65January 24, 2014 - 9:35 am

    Eve!yn, the same observations can be found in Thomas Paine's Common Sense. History repeating itself...... No crystal ball required. The thirst to rule over others is not a natural or normal psychological trait. The desire to be ruled over is not either. Which is why I refer to it as a mental disease.

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  • cookie65January 24, 2014 - 9:43 am

    I have a relative who sticks firmly to the notion that we do it to ourselves. His point is valid. He says it is little things like paying $7 for a hot dog at a baseball game. We steal from each other. We then set up systems to legalize and regulate the theft. We even make the theft competitive. It is rather funny when you think about it.

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  • MelodyJanuary 24, 2014 - 9:15 am

    Concerned citizens will want to examine revealing Compass2Truth documents B & D attached to Tuesday's Special BOS meeting Item #3: https://eldorado.legistar.com/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=1636037&GUID=314D7335-CF5C-49F0-B90F-3E5FA3C2335A

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 24, 2014 - 9:16 am

    recall facts: california. http://tinyurl.com/n5e7dxe some say recalls are not working because the peaperwork has personal information...and it normally goes to the staff and council that works for the issue or person one is fighting.

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  • Compass2TruthJanuary 24, 2014 - 9:17 am

    Repost: When Mr. McCaffree and I were speaking with HR Director Pam Knorr after the Special Meeting yesterday, she made a profound observation: EDC has put 9 HR Directors through the meat grinder in just the past 11 years. What does that tell you about the workplace culture-climate? During my 15 years of HR experience it's been proven that surveys/interviews are a waste of taxpayers money because they never provide an accurate assessment of the real issues that need to be addressed. BTW, I sincerely hope Ms. Knorr outlasts her predecessors. She did a great job on her presentation.

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  • Compass2TruthJanuary 24, 2014 - 9:19 am

    To view the heart of the Bullying, Retaliation & Harassment portion of Tuesday's BOS Special Meeting go directly to the Public Comments segments of Items #2, 3 & 4: http://eldorado.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=2&clip_id=329 * Melody Lane - Founder, Compass2Truth

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  • MelodyJanuary 24, 2014 - 9:34 am

    Here are 3 important 'tools' that I outlined to the BOS on Tuesday: 1) Do the right thing (mandatory ethics training) 2) Exhaust your administrative remedy (enforcement of Personnel Policies, letters of warning, counseling, public accountability) and 3) Litigation (65% of the General Fund is for law enforcement/legal recourse). The last option is the least desirable and most costly to the taxpayers.

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  • James E.January 24, 2014 - 9:48 am

    Re. Why do you believe Mr. McCafferee? I don't believe or disbelieve him. He has made an allegation. Therefore, he has made a prima facie case which is accepted as correct until proven otherwise. It must be investigated, but it is most likely that it will be Mr. McCafferee who will be investigated. Whistleblowers take note -- you make allegations against your boss or government officials and the whitewash protocol is that you will be the one put under the spot light to discredit you. It is a uphill battle to reveal the truth of the matter, and that is why misconduct, both civil and criminal, is often unpunished.

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  • 1036-FrankJanuary 24, 2014 - 9:49 am

    Evelyn, I am saying what happened in this county when employees did in fact file a suit against the Gob's which resulted in their firings is an example of what can happen and I can guess the turnover in HR is related to stress of how the pressure is applied to make life miserable for employees. There was no county agency that "prosecuted" these named Gob's who were defended by the people's/county tax payer money and hired gun law firms while the Gob's escaped with their six figure retirements. I was one who said they should be suspended before they escape and then fired immediately by the new Sheriff after an investigation and criminal charges should be filed against every one of them for a list of charges. What happened, in my opinion, was there were far too many political calculations that allowed their escape, the employees who filed suit took the fall, and the case was never taken to the state or feds to my knowledge.

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  • James E.January 24, 2014 - 9:51 am

    Cookie, free market. Pay the $7 or don't pay the $7. I thought you supported the free market.

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  • R.J. CarterJanuary 24, 2014 - 10:17 am

    Hey James.........What exactly is your beef with the "Free Market"??.... ....I may not understand what your saying, but It kinda sounds like you'd prefer to get Government issued Hot Dogs off the back of the same Government truck that give's away the free Government issued cheese................

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  • EvelynJanuary 24, 2014 - 10:05 am

    Thanks, Frank.

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  • James E.January 24, 2014 - 10:29 am

    R.J., I have no beef with the free market. If the hot dog is $7, pay it or no hot dog. Want to know what I do given I love hot dogs -- I buy two for $14. So, you see, no beef with beef hot dogs. It's just that Cookie was complaining about $7 dogs and that doesn't seem consistent with the right's desire for maximum profits. My son tells me that my love for hot dogs, bacon, and pizza will kill me. I told him I've been eating those dining delights for about 71 years (first five years I had only healthful foods) and they haven't killed me yet so I have no plans to change. Is $7 too much for a hot dog? Not at a ball game.

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  • EvelynJanuary 24, 2014 - 10:45 am

    James: I, too, have no beef with the free market, and also love hot dogs, bacon & pizza. But does the "free market" still exist?

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  • R.J. CarterJanuary 24, 2014 - 10:44 am

    That's what I was thinking......And, while I don't know of anyone who doesn't complain about the price of hotdogs at a ball park, hotdogs, baseball and complaining are all great American traditions none can live without...........

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  • James E.January 24, 2014 - 10:55 am

    Evelyn, I assume you mean that with all the government controls a free market no longer exists. Someone smarter than me will have to answer that -- but, it remains, pay the price or don't pay the price, your choice.

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  • EvelynJanuary 24, 2014 - 10:59 am

    James: I was thinking about more than gov't controls. As for hot dogs and such, though loving them, we can live without them. But then there are the ESSENTIALS -- another matter all together. What happens when the basics of life become unaffordable for a large % of the population?

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  • EvelynJanuary 24, 2014 - 10:56 am

    In the process of searching for a university publication I'd heard of about EDC as the most corrupt county in CA, I found THIS instead. It's worth a quick scroll. (Someone made handy with a black marker pen!) ********** Can anyone direct me to the paper I originally was looking for?

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  • James E.January 24, 2014 - 11:14 am

    Evelyn, well, jobs have gone to China and Mexico for maximum corporate profit. Corporations paying part time employees (no benefits) minimum wage, while advocating no minimum wage so they can get the slaves at $2 an hour, further maximizing their profits. Walmart family having wealth of approximately $110 billion among the four of them. Those obscene fortunes resulting off the backs of their workers. Other corporations taking the lead of Walmart to steal from their employees who do the work causing their profits. Any wonder that working Americans cannot afford to live? Solution: I'm not hopeful because profits rule over everything else. Cookie, how about government putting their foot on the necks of these corporations? Again, not probable given the amount of money flowing from the corporations to our lawmakers. Ollie, what a mess you've gotten us in.

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 24, 2014 - 11:56 am

    Miss Evelyn...if it is not the correct paper...maybe this site can help. http://gradworks.umi.com/14/81/1481184.html Gold country: Exurbia and the politics of landscape in El Dorado County, California by Beebe, Craig William, M.A., UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA, DAVIS, 2010, 166 pages; 1481184

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  • EvelynJanuary 24, 2014 - 12:00 pm

    Thanks, Fran. I have that paper. Alas, no corruption! But it's worth reading.

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 24, 2014 - 11:56 am

    Not Just the Suburbs Anymore - California State University ... www.csus.edu/uld/thesis.../Desvarro.pdf‎ California State University... by E Desvarro - ‎2012 - ‎Related articles manual, and that this thesis is suitable for shelving in the Library and credit is to be ... The suburban community of El Dorado Hills (EDH), California, is the ...

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 24, 2014 - 12:00 pm

    Livestock Processing in the Sierra Foothills: An Evaluation of a Rural ... communitydevelopment.ucdavis.edu/docs/Theses/Lyons_Felicity.pdf‎ by FM Lyons - ‎2012 - ‎Related articles Using participatory research methods, this thesis project documents and evaluates their process ...... buy large lot parcels. (Wheeler and Beebe, 2011). The population over age 65 in El Dorado County in 2011 was 15.7%, compared to 11.7% ...

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  • joe no show?January 24, 2014 - 12:12 pm

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  • EvelynJanuary 24, 2014 - 12:52 pm

    Questions posed HERE: How many sexual harassment complaints have been lodged against [Joe Harn]? . . . How many millions of dollars have been lost, are unaccounted for, or are unwatched while in his care? Is the saying “If Joe doesn’t like you, you don’t stay [employed],” true?

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  • citizenJanuary 24, 2014 - 1:04 pm

    Evelyn, your link was to a story on the web site owned by Ray Nutting's business partner Chris Alarcon attacking Vern Pierson. You said that the county has spent millions of dollars covering up sexual harassment complaints committed by Joe Harn? Did you post the wrong link?

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  • EvelynJanuary 24, 2014 - 1:36 pm

    @1:04 pm: You misread. Reread . . . or go to the original (linked), 5th paragraph.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 24, 2014 - 1:15 pm

    Oh Brother, there is a comment attributed to "Oh Brother" at LINK - “Vern Pierson v. Ray Nutting,” a random, January 2014 perspective…. Is that comment from "our" Oh Brother?

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  • EvelynJanuary 25, 2014 - 7:36 am

    South Lake Tahoe councilwoman cleared by Pierson in bribery investigation - HERE

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 25, 2014 - 7:47 am

    Evelyn, your link at 2014 - 7:36 am leads to a "redacted" article. Is a subscription required?

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  • EvelynJanuary 25, 2014 - 7:59 am

    Phil: For some reason my reply to you went to the bottom of the thread.

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  • 1036-FrankJanuary 24, 2014 - 1:00 pm

    One further aside in this matter of county employees is that the very BOS is responsible for creating many of the problems faced by employees by not doing background checks for appointed managers and appointing many of the Gob's into positions they should never have been in or by turning a blind eye when HR/County Counsel hired law firms to fight any employee claims and eliminate them at any cost for how many years? Now the BOS wants to try to figure out the problems that over time the board, the Gob's, and HR created with job turnover, stress, bad morale, lawsuits, and good people leaving for a better work environment. This can't be fixed with a simple new "policy" on paper and will only be repaired with actions when a number of new seats on the BOS are filled soon and after that there should be a house cleaning not another under the rug sweeping. When laws are violated people, regardless of public or elected position, should be held accountable which wasn't a past practice which set a bad standard of conduct and emboldened bad actors like the Gob's. Some of these bad actors were luckily defeated at the polls lately. There was also the rewarded ones, who should have been fired, with rigged six figure retirements and the retirement parties which sets another terrible standard. The appointed Sheriff who fired the women employees for reporting the Harassment and filing suit was put in that very position by the Supervisors themselves. That action alone could have easily surpassed the San Juan School Board's 17 million in claims for failing to take action. The question is who is a bigger liability those elected or those appointed by the elected ones?

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 24, 2014 - 1:22 pm

    Frank, do you have an opinion on Chris McCaffree's testimony?

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  • EvelynJanuary 24, 2014 - 2:57 pm

    Frank: THIS is the Sheriff's Dept. case you are referencing?

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  • good old boyJanuary 24, 2014 - 1:12 pm

    Larry Hennick, do you know of a rash of harassment/bullying complaints being filed by county employees? A few of the anti Joe and Vern crowd have cited the San Juan 17 MM number as if it has any bearing on Eldorado county employees. Was there a memo sent out? Talking points to be regurgitated perhaps?

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  • EvelynJanuary 24, 2014 - 3:06 pm

    There has been nothing in the wind or elsewhere about current EDC lawsuits. At Tuesday's BOS, Mr. McCaffree said: "If you’re an employee of the County, you’re not going to say the things that I say, because you have to feed your family; you need a job, and you live in fear of saying the wrong things. … A lot of people at the County fear that they’re going to lose their jobs, and so they put up with a lot of intimidation and harassment."

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  • 1036-FrankJanuary 24, 2014 - 4:13 pm

    Phil, I am not sure if McCaffree is legit or is being used as a tool. I don't know him and can't speak as to what he said as being true. He obviously has some issues with his past employment and there could be several motivations and another side to the story. I just don't know. I can say that something good may come out of these proposed changes if past mistakes aren't repeated by the BOS and new rules may at least define bad conduct of supervisors and department heads and provide some shield to employees from retaliation for speaking up.

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  • Compass2TruthJanuary 24, 2014 - 5:08 pm

    The problem of bully tactics is epidemic in EDC and beyond. View the Public Comments documents attached to this next 1/28/14 BOS CONSENT Calendar #4: https://eldorado.legistar.com/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=1638789&GUID=E2617643-B34B-42A1-B26B-00BF969F6CED

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  • James E.January 24, 2014 - 5:20 pm

    Bully tactics succeed in EDC because there is no accountability. When was the last time a bully was punished?

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  • Bad BoysJanuary 24, 2014 - 5:36 pm

    http://nlpc.org/stories/2012/08/15/deputy-sheriffs-association-boss-california-pleads-no-contest-400k-theft-sentence

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  • Whatcha gonna do?January 24, 2014 - 5:37 pm

    http://www.mtdemocrat.com/news/judge-wagoner-admonished-by-judicial-commission/

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  • Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?January 24, 2014 - 5:39 pm

    http://www.gardenvalleyfire.com/

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  • You chuck it on that oneJanuary 24, 2014 - 5:41 pm

    http://capoliticalnews.com/2013/11/18/el-dorado-county-elected-officials-give-themselves-bonuses-citizens-want-money-paid-back/

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  • Bill JJanuary 24, 2014 - 6:00 pm

    This is absolutely comical. For at least the last twenty years the biggest bully in this county has been Ray Nutting and now he orchestrates this kabuki theater. Ray has always been a joke. This side of the Veerkamps has been entertainment for as long as I've lived here. They all form a circle firing squad and pull the trigger so many times it's just funny. Then Larry Hennick and Sue Taylor? All supporting Ray (scratch your back) Nutting. I can't think of a more fitting group of self aggrandizing individuals. The most hilarious thing is they think they're getting away with it. "But the most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly and with unflagging attention. It must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over. Here, as so often in this world, persistence is the first and most important requirement for success. -o Actually from "War Propaganda", in volume 1, chapter 6 of Mein Kampf (1925), by Adolf Hitler. You people just freaking crack me up!

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 24, 2014 - 8:34 pm

    Thanks, Bill J Is this what you mean by " . . . few points and repeat them over and over . . . " ~~~ LINK - Creating a climate of fear and intimidation with County employees - June 27 2013

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 26, 2014 - 12:30 pm

    Bill J, LINK - COULD THIS BE YOU!

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  • You chuck it on your sisterJanuary 24, 2014 - 5:50 pm

    http://www.sacbee.com/2013/06/04/5471502/el-dorado-county-supervisor-nutting.html

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  • Nobody now give you no breakJanuary 24, 2014 - 5:54 pm

    http://nevadastatepersonnelwatch.wordpress.com/2013/05/28/el-dorado-county-ray-nutting-arrested-for-corruption/

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  • Paved With GoldJanuary 24, 2014 - 5:56 pm

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Road_to_El_Dorado

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  • ResidentJanuary 24, 2014 - 6:44 pm

    The question is what did Ray Nutting offer the Veerkamps, black sheep side per Brian, to become his propagandist?

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 24, 2014 - 7:10 pm

    When did Mr. Veerkamp become the black sheep of the family?

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 24, 2014 - 7:52 pm

    Resident, there has NEVER been any sort of communication, business transaction, dealing or social interaction between me and Mr. Nutting or any aspect of the "Nutting machine".

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 24, 2014 - 7:55 pm

    Oh! BTW, Resident I almost forgot ~~~ LINK - Chris McCaffree names JOE HARN, cites sexual abuse, in OPEN-ON-THE-RECORD BOS meeting ~~~ Three relevant statements by Chris McCaffree at ~~~ 00:27:50 ~~~ 01:19:43 ~~~ 03:04:17

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 24, 2014 - 7:59 pm

    . . . but the tax payers have deep pockets . . . no big deal . . . even for the residents of EDC . . . A Horney Harn is a happy Harn.

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 24, 2014 - 8:18 pm

    Phil, I think they were talking about supervisor Veerkamp being the black sheep in your family. The other remark was your family circling with shot guns to protect one of your own--I think....then they added Sue Taylor...I dont know--not much made sense. Isnt Supervisor Veerkamp the one who refuses pay? Why would he need anything--if hes working for free? All I know is that whomever comes up and chops down the ugly blue sign has my vote--if I like them or not...that is my price....lolololol Dont laugh many people dont vote up here--im serious.

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  • EvelynJanuary 24, 2014 - 8:37 pm

    Fran: Unlikely Brian is 6:44pm's target. But the correct answer to 6:44pm's question: FAME & FORTUNE!!! (Well, that's speaking just for myself. I don't know what the others got. We are individually & collectively sworn to secrecy ...... omerta & all that.)

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 24, 2014 - 8:54 pm

    Oh Brother, if you drop in go up to January 24, 2014 - 1:15 pm please.

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  • EvelynJanuary 25, 2014 - 7:50 am

    ASSERT YOUR DOMINANCE: Make it crystal clear to every cugine out there that you are gunning for alpha-male status and won’t accept anything less. Of course this means that you might have to butt heads with anyone who you think is trying to do the same, but so be it. Whatever real power and influence you possess, be sure to utilize it, and show people that you are not only a man of action but, above all, you’re also a leader. - HERE

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  • EvelynJanuary 25, 2014 - 7:57 am

    Strange. Still works for me. HERE is an alternate.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 25, 2014 - 8:04 am

    . . . so the EDC Supervisor candidate takes a bag of loot and Vern lets her go because she said that she was going to vote "YES" anyway? ~~~ A South Lake Tahoe councilwoman has been cleared of criminal wrongdoing after a bribery investigation by the El Dorado County Sheriff’s Office and District Attorney’s Office. ~~~ Angela Swanson was investigated for accepting “an uncounted bag of cash” from career criminal Gennaro ‘Gino’ DiMatteo between two votes on the future of DiMatteo’s former medical marijuana dispensary in the city. ~~~ The cash was for Lake Tahoe Educational Foundation, a charity Swanson is involved with. The cash transaction was set up and attended by Swanson and no receipt was given during the transaction, according to the investigation. ~~~ “Our investigation revealed that Mr. DiMatteo clearly believed that prior to councilmember Swanson’s vote on his dispensary he was told that he needed to make a donation to a local South Lake Tahoe charity,” District Attorney Vern Pierson wrote in a four-page letter to the South Lake Tahoe City Council. ~~~ “Mr. DiMatteo told investigators it was his understanding — ‘you scratch my back, I scratch yours.’” ~~~ The cash transaction involved approximately $1,100. ~~~ In the letter to the City Council dated Jan. 17, Pierson states it was clearly an attempted bribery under California Penal Code. But an investigation involving multiple witness interviews, search warrants on multiple locations and a review of voluminous documents concluded that while it is clear DiMatteo believed he was attempting to bribe Swanson, it is equally clear that Swanson had already intended to vote favorably for his marijuana dispensary. ~~~ “Upon a final review of all the evidence, it is our conclusion that South Lake Tahoe City Councilmember Swanson’s actions do not rise to the level sufficient to file criminal charges as she clearly harbored no criminal intent. Accordingly, this case is now closed,” Pierson wrote. ~~~ The investigation also revealed that the South Lake Tahoe City Council approved permits for DiMatteo to open a medical marijuana dispensary in the city despite his being a convicted felon and city ordinances prohibiting convicted felons from running dispensaries. ~~~ Swanson said she appreciates how thorough the district attorney’s office was in its investigation and how strongly it made the finding that she harbored no criminal intent in the interaction and always voted with integrity. ~~~ “I appreciate them taking their time, doing their job thoughtfully and carefully and coming through with a perspective I heartily agree with and appreciate,” Swanson said. ~~~ DiMatteo is serving time in federal prison. He was sentenced to five years as part of a plea agreement reached in April 2013. As part of that agreement, DiMatteo pleaded guilty to a single felony count of drug trafficking. ~~~ During a 2012 raid on his Angora Lake Road home, authorities recovered about 5 pounds of processed marijuana and found an inactive grow room that they estimated could have yielded between 22 and 25 pounds of marijuana four times a year and made about $320,000 annually. ~~~ According to Pierson, DiMatteo has “bragged openly of connections to organized crime.”

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  • Ba BaJanuary 25, 2014 - 9:09 am

    So the Attorneys General should let Ray off Phil? What kind of Bro-mance are you having with Nutting anyhow?

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 25, 2014 - 9:22 am

    The DA's selective prosecution and cultivation of "IOUs" is the point.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 25, 2014 - 9:37 am

    Ba Ba, this link's for you ~~~ LINK - Chris McCaffree names JOE HARN, cites sexual abuse, in OPEN-ON-THE-RECORD BOS meeting ~~~ Three relevant statements by Chris McCaffree at ~~~ 00:27:50 ~~~ 01:19:43 ~~~ 03:04:17

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  • embarressmentJanuary 25, 2014 - 8:01 am

    Did Ray Nutting equate the county employees to that of the developmentally delayed? Could you imagine living in a house hold and have Ray Nutting as your brother

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  • CitizenJanuary 25, 2014 - 9:10 am

    Ray described today's government worker to a T.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 25, 2014 - 9:32 am

    embarrassment, on the off chance that you missed the context of Ray's reference to his sister ~~~~ BULLYING - Targeted bullying was the experience and the reality of Ray's sister's childhood. Your misrepresentation of that fact suggests that you might have been/are now an abuser.

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  • JimJanuary 25, 2014 - 10:27 am

    Hey Phil! Do you and your sister only get l your information from Alarcon's site?

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  • EvelynJanuary 25, 2014 - 10:56 am

    Hi, "Jim". You piqued my curiosity, so I quickly checked the sources of my citations. The score: Alarcon - 2; Other, 7. But possibly it would be helpful to discuss actual content, citing direct quotations. Where would you like to start?

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  • EvelynJanuary 25, 2014 - 11:06 am

    . . . I'll be offline for a while but will check for your further input asap.

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  • Oh BrotherJanuary 25, 2014 - 11:25 am

    Evelyn - somehow I don't believe this is about the truth, honesty and integrity. It is about a vendetta against one person. If these people were upstanding, ethical and honest citizens, they would want the truth of any corruption to come out. They appear to just be part of the corrupted and defending the corrupted.

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  • oh botherJanuary 25, 2014 - 11:59 am

    actually your vendetta is against 2 people. Your buddy/husband Ray just delayed his trial yet again. And is boasting that he's going to push the trial back until after the elections when Vern and Joe are defeated. I know it doesn't make sense. Go outside and check I think you left Ray alone with matches again...

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  • Oh BrotherJanuary 25, 2014 - 12:55 pm

    So there was another court date and you of many blog names are unhappy with the way it went. As I have repeatedly said, I am not in the loop of what these charges against Mr. Nutting are and my only belief is that ANYONE who is corrupt should be held accountable...why do you of so many different blog names not want the same? Honorable, ethical and moral people want the truth about anyone who is corrupt...and that is why whichever name you use, you will not be able to answer Evelyn's questions.

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  • oh botherJanuary 25, 2014 - 2:48 pm

    Lady I don't know how your husband delaying his trial yet again is justice served. I know how it benefits him. He's keeps sucking off the counties teat. You of many names are a phoney. what question has Evelyn asked? All she does is post everything that Alarcon puts on his sites. The reality is people are afraid of Ray Nutting. He's even crazier than you.

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  • Oh BrotherJanuary 25, 2014 - 2:54 pm

    You are going to have a heart attack over this political junk. My husband doesn't get into trouble and sure in the heck isn't Nutting much less a politician. And BTW, making rude comments about developmentally delayed people shows me what level of persons you guys are.

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  • Oh botherJanuary 25, 2014 - 7:30 pm

    OB I might have been wrong, your husband Ray might not be a crazy as you. He probably has a picture of you in his pocket too

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  • MiltonJanuary 25, 2014 - 12:12 pm

    More accurately the developmentally delayed defending the developmentally.....

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  • Phil Veerkamp's ConsigliereJanuary 25, 2014 - 11:29 pm

    Jim, It's bed time. Here is your non-Alarcon bed time story. Sleep tight. Don't let the PiersonHarn bed bugs bite! ~~~ LINK - BOS Dan Dellenger Tuesday, October 29, 2013 - 06:24:50 ~~~ At 06:24:50 Dan Dellinger (victim) names the County Auditor (Harn) as bully

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  • embarressmentJanuary 25, 2014 - 10:29 am

    Ray Nutting is the bully Phil. You would have to be developmentally delayed not to understand that.

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  • joe, dat u?January 26, 2014 - 12:54 am

    splat

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  • Ba BaJanuary 25, 2014 - 10:31 am

    Phil what evidence do you have of an IOU? Ray's written plenty. Your mouth is writing checks your sorry behind can't cover. Monies are being laid of not if but when Nutting goes postal.

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  • Fly On The WallJanuary 25, 2014 - 7:31 pm

    11 HR Directors in 11 years means Pamela Knorr has a tough row to hoe. Pierson will have a difficult time measuring up to the same Personnel Rules yardstick applied to other county employees. Most likely the bully policy will be swept under the rug indefinitely, business as usual in EDC.

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  • fly swatterJanuary 25, 2014 - 7:57 pm

    WTF would Pierson have a problem? Spend 2 minutes with Ray Nutting ever?

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  • Walking TallJanuary 25, 2014 - 9:39 pm

    What IS known is that the higher-ups in the Sheriff's Department who were involved in "Sex Gate" have all retired with six figure retirements and the women who filed the charges against them were fired by the new Sheriff. The acceptance of the sexual harrassment by the new Sheriff only sent a clear message; "We at the top will protect the violators at all costs and he continued the GOB mentality by firing the women who filed suit against the higher-ups. The remaining women were all sent the clear message;"Shut up and go along to get along". The result is that the women who are left know that no reporting will be investigated and those in power will control the outcome of any investigation.Having a policy that is not enforced is the same as no policy, those at the top were the violators and therefore no one would be held to answer. Status current is that the same type of harrassment is in place and no one will report as they have seen the results of the women before them. In order to have a "Clean House" one must CLEAN HOUSE, this was not done as campagined and the result is that women have left and now the department can't keep them. Who is to blame; those at the top and it starts and ends with a Sheriff who either accepts or takes a stand and does clean house and holds the violators responsible. We don't have that in our Sheriff.

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  • JoanJanuary 26, 2014 - 7:13 am

    Walking Tall, I suppose you would be correct if we lived in a world with out justice. Then we'd need a Buford Pusser and his trusty baseball bat to clean up corruption. I wonder who you would want to hit? Why do you think people would trust you?

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  • EvelynJanuary 26, 2014 - 7:51 am

    BUFORD PUSSER (1937 - 1974) - HERE: Sheriff of McNairy County, Tennessee. ... Elected after after the incumbent was killed in a freak auto accident. ... Pusser is known for his virtual one-man war on moonshining, prostitution, gambling, and other vices on the Mississippi-Tennessee state-line. ... Pusser survived several assassination attempts. ... Already a local hero, Pusser's "war" on the State Line Mob was brought to national prominence when according to Pusser, his wife, Pauline, was killed on August 12, 1967, during an assassination ambush intended for him. ... Pusser died on August 21, 1974 from injuries sustained in a one-car automobile accident. ... Both Pusser's mother, Helen and his daughter, Dwana believed he was murdered. ... No autopsy of Pusser's body was performed.

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  • EvelynJanuary 26, 2014 - 7:21 am

    BOS 1/28/2014, Agenda Item #4 (Consent) - HERE: CAO & HR "recommending the Board consider the following regarding the development of a Respectful Workplace policy and procedure: 1) Authorize the Purchasing Agent to execute a contract or contracts for services in a total amount not to exceed $140,000."

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  • EvelynJanuary 26, 2014 - 7:27 am

    (Cont'd from above) - Reason for Recommendation: On January 21, 2014, the Board received a presentation from the Human Resources Director regarding a proposed "Respectful Workplace" policy. At that meeting the Board directed staff to move forward with obtaining contracts as follows: 1) Contract for assessment, coaching and intervention - not to exceed $60,000; 2) Training for conflict resolution/communication - not to exceed $20,000; and 3) Formal Cultural Assessment through interactive interviews and survey of employees - not to exceed $60,000.

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  • MelodyJanuary 26, 2014 - 10:17 am

    Evelyn, I suspect this has something to do with the issues I presented during Tuesday's Special BOS meeting addressing EDSO retaliation & bully tactics. Sheriff D'Agostini blocked my email correspondence to EDSO staff and refuses to meet with Compass2Truth. Coincidental communication breakdown...or censorship? There's a certified letter from the Sheriff awaiting my signature at the Post Office.

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  • EvelynJanuary 26, 2014 - 8:09 am

    Joan: Regarding the matter Walking Tall referenced -- reported HERE -- is it your opinion that the outcome was just?

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  • EvelynJanuary 26, 2014 - 8:24 am

    Yesterday Citizen, Jim & “oh bother” mentioned Alarcon’s website, In El Dorado County (here). The website publishes a variety of material of local interest. A quick tabulation by source of 20 articles currently @ INEDC: • Business Alliance: 1 • Business Journal: 1 • Cal Fire: 1 • Divide Citizens for Water: 1 • Food Bank of EDC: 1 • INEDC: 2 • Mother Lode Friends of Music: 1 • Mountain Democrat: 2 • Newswire: 3 • PG&E: 1 • Tahoe Daily Tribune: 3 • Ted Gaines: 1 • Wall St. Journal: 2

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  • WTFJanuary 26, 2014 - 8:36 am

    Evelyn, Chris Alarcon has already been convicted of bilking the PFD tax payers. He will be sentenced after Delinger's trial. But you know that already. You repost what he puts on his site as if fact. You know better? You have to.

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  • EvelynJanuary 26, 2014 - 8:54 am

    WTF: See yesterday's @10:56 am. As I said to "Jim", it would help to discuss actual content, which comes from a variety of sources (including the Mt. Dem). Clarification or correction of any of my entries would be most welcome.

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  • JoanJanuary 26, 2014 - 8:32 am

    Evelyn, I'm sorry but what is your question? If your question is do I believe the Deputy Sheriffs were give due process? Then my answer is yes. Do I believe that their case was politicized? Then my answer would be yes. Do I believe that the newly elected Sheriff from out side our county had anything what so ever to do with their case in any way pro/con? Then my answer would be no. If you believe that sworn peace officers with union representation, their own council, California and Federal law a independent Judge and Jury were muted or ignored because there's a grand conspiracy? I would have to ask why you believe that you have a better grasp of the law than those sworn to up hold it? Many of these post appear to only ask questions and repeat old news articles as if case fact. It's as if some people don't want the rule of law as laid out today. I would not want to live in a society where the police carry baseball bats.

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  • EvelynJanuary 26, 2014 - 8:38 am

    tasers v. baseball bats?

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  • Oh BrotherJanuary 26, 2014 - 8:56 am

    At least Buford Pusser WANTED to clean things up. He didn't want to play politics and excuse behavior based on politics or make prosecution/no prosecution decisions based on politics. The District Attorney could take on some of those qualities minus the bat. Ethics, truth, integrity and for real justice.

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  • oh botherJanuary 26, 2014 - 9:59 am

    who's ethics? Yours and Ray's? Someone use their real name that believes Ray Nutting is ethical

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  • Oh BrotherJanuary 26, 2014 - 10:07 am

    I personally have never said anything about Mr. Nuttings ethics specifically..I have always posted that I expect ethics from ALL OF OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS. You and your other cronies keep trying to draw me into this Nutting thing and that is not nor has it been my primary interest...I also never said anything about Sheriff D'Agostini. So if YOU feel that Mr. Harn, Mr. Pierson, Mr. Nutting et al are so damn ethical, then you stand up with YOUR REAL NAME.

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  • laugh timeJanuary 26, 2014 - 10:25 am

    nobody attacking sup. nutting or defending controller harn uses a real name .........what's your's, bother?

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  • Fly On The WallJanuary 26, 2014 - 10:02 am

    Birds of a feather flock together. It's doubtful Pierson has the character or integrity to enforce real justice against his buddy the Sheriff. It wouldn't be advantageous to their political careers. Pierson has aspirations to higher office.

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  • EvelynJanuary 26, 2014 - 10:42 am

    Actually, baseball bats per se have not disappeared. Batons replaced them. Five days ago in San Jose officers used both tasers and batons in apprehending a suspect. Don't know if batons are used in EDC. I believe tasers are.

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  • EvelynJanuary 26, 2014 - 9:22 am

    Decorated British Police Billy Clubs: HERE

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  • Compass2TruthJanuary 26, 2014 - 9:50 am

    In regard to Walking Tall & Oh Brother's comments about law enforcement, please view my comments during last Tuesday's Special BOS Bully Tactics - http://eldorado.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=2&clip_id=329 * Note particularly agenda Item #3 @ 2:54:55 regarding the Sheriff & County Counsel. This may explain why I have a certified letter from Sheriff D'Agostini awaiting my signature at the Coloma post office. Hopefully it is the Sheriff's response to EDSO retaliation matters. Also view Item #4 @ 3:56:30 concerning specific employee personnel policy violations and my reference to the CPRA submitted last month regarding EDC employee bonding insurance = $$$ at taxpayers expense.

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 26, 2014 - 10:46 am

    Im ignoring the whole thing. Ray Nutting will have his day in court. The DA will be right or wrong. And the world will continue. People are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. My name is Fran...and this is what I believe. :) Have a great Day. Good morning sock puppets and trolls (and any real names that have come to play.) Yet another beautiful day here in Pollock Pines...which is so scary--means less and less snow in the mountains.

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  • EvelynJanuary 26, 2014 - 11:06 am

    Actually, Fran, the issue is the County's work environment as a whole. At Tuesday's BOS, Mr. McCaffree said:"If you’re an employee of the County, you’re not going to say the things that I say, because you have to feed your family; you need a job, and you live in fear of saying the wrong things. … A lot of people at the County fear that they’re going to lose their jobs, and so they put up with a lot of intimidation and harassment." ********** If true, the issue is not common civility but rather intimidation.

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 26, 2014 - 11:16 am

    Hello Miss evelyn...I had understood that...that is was the whole environment. Did I post differently? I know from listening to others in other places...that the stress can make for a whole office to be very subdued. Which actually can hurt the the business itself. People being afraid to be themselves. It is very stressful to wonder if you will ever have a paycheck again.

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 26, 2014 - 11:19 am

    when I said I was ignoring the whole thing--I forgot to address it to this comment...nobody attacking sup. nutting or defending controller harn uses a real name .........what's your's, bother? - laugh time

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  • EvelynJanuary 26, 2014 - 12:18 pm

    Ahhh!!! Got, it now Fran. Thanks.

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  • EvelynJanuary 26, 2014 - 12:19 pm

    Misplaced comma. Oh, well.

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  • Media PropagandaJanuary 26, 2014 - 11:29 am

    Why local media won't report the facts about EDC corruption & bullying: http://www.ijreview.com/2014/01/110845-listen-rush-limbaugh-describe-earth-shattering-facts-media-wont-report/

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  • James E.January 26, 2014 - 1:10 pm

    Evelyn, we'll read it just as you typed it. Got ---- it now Fran. Lots of old people get a word out, forget what they were going to say, and then just remember it and spit it out.

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  • EvelynJanuary 26, 2014 - 2:26 pm

    James!!! I, thought we were blogging -- buddies.

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  • Former Civil ServantJanuary 26, 2014 - 1:45 pm

    As a recently departed Department Head and former member of the Board of Supervisors appointed Accountability and Culture Investment Team, until my departure from 20+ years of County service, I would like to share that in my opinion this is the single most important issue currently in El Dorado County Government. The nature of the culture in the workplace involves the Board, some elected department heads, HR, Risk Mgt., County Counsel and the CAO's Office. I have not met the new HR Director, but the citizens should not believe that she will receive the support she will need to address this problem from those above her. The reason bullying is so out of control in El Dorado County is that there are some of those members in charge that are in my opinion included in the innappropriate conduct. Even in the very influential position that I held in County service, I could not stop the bullies, although I really tried which resulted in the ending of my career. The County fights hard to protect its secrets and liability. I hope this HR Director is successful. However, I believe she will have to take on those who brought her to EDC in order to achieve her stated goal.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 26, 2014 - 1:57 pm

    . . . and on that note I will restate the question to Chris Daley/Mountain Democrat ~~~ Chris, you chose to not report on Chris McCaffree's revelations to the Board of Supervisors about the elected Auditor-Controller, Joe Harn's, abusive behavior. WHY? ~~~ LINK - Chris McCaffree names JOE HARN, cites sexual abuse, in OPEN-ON-THE-RECORD BOS meeting~~~ Three relevant statements by Chris McCaffree at ~~~ 00:27:50 ~~~ 01:19:43 ~~~ 03:04:17

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  • EvelynJanuary 26, 2014 - 3:11 pm

    Given the nature of media ownership it's not impossible that journalists' jobs are even less secure than those of EDC employees. Flouting power carries significant risks.

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  • Melody LaneJanuary 26, 2014 - 5:55 pm

    Partial transcript from the 4/9/13 Bully Policy and the 1/24/14 Bully Policy attached to the 1/21/14 Special BOS Agenda Item #3: Over 15 years of experience as an HR professional in both the corporate and government arenas have equipped me to speak with authority on bully tactics, discrimination, conflict of interest, ethics and other employee misconduct... I wish to draw your attention to my reply to Chris Daley this morning regarding an inappropriate email he sent from his business address. Chris isn’t a county employee, but he is the press agent for the BOS... “Your bullying and attempts at intimidation are just laughable. You're going to tell my boss that I responded with "biting sarcasm" to your snarky, unsolicited email to me? Compared to your public abuse of me at numerous BOS meetings, your outrage at my changing a couple of letters in your name in a private communication seems rather puny and petty. And you expect what, that I'll be reprimanded, lose some pay or be fired?” ... Unprofessional conduct & journalistic ethics was the purpose of our 2010 meeting with Publisher Richard Esposito and the Cal Aware consultant who accompanied me. My response to Chris differentiates between whistle blower organizations such as Compass2Truth versus his own distorted perception of harassing bully tactics particularly against women.

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  • James E.January 26, 2014 - 2:18 pm

    Phil, no reporting because it's a hot potato.

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 26, 2014 - 2:20 pm

    I believe you are right former civil servant...because off camera...an employee said...this is BS...and they were not looking at the audience. I believe they were just commenting to themselves...i just happen to hear it as they left the room.

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  • James E.January 26, 2014 - 2:36 pm

    Evelyn, it was a comma joke.

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  • EvelynJanuary 26, 2014 - 3:06 pm

    . . . yeah yeah yeah

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  • Melody LaneJanuary 26, 2014 - 6:27 pm

    Evelyn: Item #4 of the 1/28/14 BOS Consent agenda IS about the materials I presented to the BOS (Bully Policy). I've requested the BOS & COB pull this item from Consent for public discussion. Tuesday would be a good time for other concerned citizens, employees and former public servants to show up and speak up for the public record. Phil V. - hope to see you there!

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  • EvelynJanuary 26, 2014 - 6:44 pm

    Melody: Thanks for asking to have the item pulled. And many thanks for your unflagging commitment to what's right.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 27, 2014 - 7:23 am

    Thank you, Melody. I may just take you up on the invitation. ^!!^

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  • James E.January 26, 2014 - 6:47 pm

    Evelyn, there may be some rain in our future.

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  • Melody LaneJanuary 26, 2014 - 6:57 pm

    1/28/14 BOS Agenda Item #4. 13-0401 Chief Administrative Office and Human Resources recommending the Board consider the following regarding the development of a Respectful Workplace policy and procedure: 1) Authorize the Purchasing Agent to execute a contract or contracts for services in a total amount not to exceed $140,000; and 2) Approve and authorize the Chair to sign a budget transfer increasing appropriations in the Human Resources budget and decreasing appropriations for General Fund Contingency by $140,000 for same. (4/5 vote required) FUNDING: General Fund.

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  • EvelynFebruary 02, 2014 - 9:54 am

    Bullying Fight Heats Up - HERE

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  • EvelynFebruary 02, 2014 - 9:55 am

    Case made by Chris McCaffree (incl. BOS videos) - HERE

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 03, 2014 - 7:11 am

    New day - same Auditor Controller ~~~ LINK - Case Against Joe Harn is made by Chris McCaffree (Videos)

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