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Nine eye District 4 election

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The slate of candidates running for election this year is slowly filling out.

The already crowded field of those running for District 4 Supervisor is now up to nine, including Scott McNeil (Board member CPCSD — Cameron Park), Tim Palmer (educator — Cool), Mike Pettibone (businessman — Shingle Springs), Michael Ranalli (businessman — Lotus), Dave Souza (rancher — Garden Valley), Winston Pingrey (private investigator — Shingle Springs), Howard Penn (businessman — Coloma), Lori Parlin (community activist — Shingle Springs), with Mike Maruniak (operating engineer — Placerville) being the latest person to throw his hat in the ring.

In the District 5 Supervisor’s race, the candidates are Gerri Grego (project manager), Sue Novasel (businesswoman) and Angela Swanson (city council member) — all from the South Lake Tahoe area.

Candidates for Superior Court Judge, Office 1, are Vicki Ashworth, David Combellack and Joseph Weinberger. In Office 3, the sole candidate for Superior Court Judge is Suzanne Kingsbury. In Office 4, the sole candidate for Superior Court Judge is Steven Bailey. Candidates for Superior Court Judge, Office 5, are Joseph Hoffman and Dylan Mary Sullivan. For Superior Court Judge, Office 6, the sole candidate is James Robert Wagoner.

Running for reelection as incumbents for county positions are Jeremy Meyers for Superintendent of Schools, Karl Weiland for Assessor, Joe Harn for Auditor-Controller, Vern Pierson for District Attorney, Bill Schultz for Recorder-Clerk, John D’Agostini for Sheriff-Coroner-Public Administrator, Rich Briner for Surveyor and C.L. Raffety for Treasurer-Tax Collector.

Running for Lieutenant Governor is Bogdan “Bo” Ambrozewicz. Jason Mallory, a writer/journalist from South Lake Tahoe, and Kris Johnson, an engineer living in Granite Bay, are running for U.S. Representative, 4th District, against incumbent Tom McClintock.

Candidates for most offices have until March 7 to file their declaration of candidacy and nomination papers. The deadline is Feb. 5 for Superior Court candidates to file their declaration of intent.

Contact Dawn Hodson at 530-344-5071 or dhodson@mtdemocrat.net. Follow @DHodsonMtDemo on Twitter.

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  • Bill E.January 22, 2014 - 6:07 am

    Some of those folks running for District 4 should run for those high paying "county positions". Most of those positions are at least double in pay.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 22, 2014 - 7:56 am

    Mountain Democrat, PLEASE: Start now on one of the"Top 10 Stories of 2014 Investigate the Auditor Controller, JOE HARN. Begin with information presented to EDC Board of Supervisors ~~~ LINK - Chris McCaffrey(sp?) names JOE HARN, cites sexual abuse, in OPEN-ON-THE-RECORD BOS meeting ~~~ Three relevant statements at ~~~ 00:27:50 ~~~ 01:19:43 ~~~ 03:04:17

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  • Compass2TruthJanuary 22, 2014 - 8:44 am

    To view the heart of the Bullying, Retaliation & Harassment portion of yesterday's BOS Special Meeting go directly to the Public Comments segments of Items #2, 3 & 4: http://eldorado.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=2&clip_id=329 * Melody Lane - Founder, Compass2Truth

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 22, 2014 - 8:48 am

    I also watched your presentation, Melody. Good job. Do you know Chris McCaffrey(sp?) Do I have his name right?

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  • MelodyJanuary 22, 2014 - 9:16 am

    Yes Phil, you spelled Chris McCaffree's name correctly. I applaud his boldness, and especially for TAKING TIME OFF WORK to voice his concerns at yesterday's BOS Special Meeting. The BOS can only get away with "what we the people" allow them to do. As Sheriff D'Agostini has said before, "Hold their feet to the fire. Mine too. I WORK FOR YOU."

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 22, 2014 - 9:35 am

    Melody, do you know if it's "McCaffrey" or "McCaffree"? ~~~ LINK - Chris McCaffrey(sp?) names JOE HARN, cites sexual abuse, in OPEN-ON-THE-RECORD BOS meeting

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  • MelodyJanuary 22, 2014 - 9:56 am

    Oops! Sorry Phil. It's Chris McCafFREE. He's a CPA.

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  • Compass2TruthJanuary 22, 2014 - 10:03 am

    Concerned citizens will want to examine revealing Compass2Truth documents B & D attached to yesterday's Special BOS meeting Item #3: https://eldorado.legistar.com/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=1636037&GUID=314D7335-CF5C-49F0-B90F-3E5FA3C2335A

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  • Compass2TruthJanuary 22, 2014 - 10:09 am

    Note: There were more people in the audience yesterday than normally attend regular BOS meetings (all too few.) Become properly informed and get actively INVOLVED insisting the BOS respects your right to government transparency and accountability.

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  • right on philJanuary 22, 2014 - 11:06 am

    Phil last week you posted a link from Alarcon's site stating how Harn and Pierson served alcohol to Steers at the Sky Mote fund raiser before he was arrested for DUI. Now you're going after Harn for sexual abuse. Keep it up Phil! Nutting has many friends just like you and they aren't going to take this lying down either.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 22, 2014 - 11:32 am

    Actually I'm ONLY posting a link (and reposting a link) to the Board of Supervisor meeting in which a credible person stated publically and on the record that JOE HARN is sexual abuser, harasser and bully. ~~~ LINK - Chris McCaffree names JOE HARN, cites sexual abuse, in OPEN-ON-THE-RECORD BOS meeting . . . but then the voters may not care . . .

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 22, 2014 - 11:34 am

    . . . BTW, Mountain Democrat, do your job.

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  • right on philJanuary 22, 2014 - 12:03 pm

    Here's another story regarding the very credible Chris McCafferee and his hands on dealings with Harn posted in a prominent newspaper http://www.inedc.com/1-5131. Phil are you endorsing Chris McCaffree to run against the disgraced Joe Harn?

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 22, 2014 - 12:17 pm

    LINK - Creating a climate of fear and intimidation with County employees ~~~ "I (Chris McCaffree) am a CPA, was a Scout Master for the Boy Scouts and a previous employee of El Dorado County. I live in El Dorado County. What I am about to describe about Joe Harn is based on my own experience. ~~~ One of my duties at the county made it necessary that I work with a woman in Joe Harn’s office on budgets (her name is withheld to protect a victim). While doing this work I found some strange and unusual things had happened in this budget area in the past. After working on this issue for a few weeks I suddenly could no longer get the woman to return my calls. Since I just worked across the street, I walked over to find out why she was not taking my calls. The woman told me Joe had instructed her that I could no longer talk with her. She had been told by Joe Harn that if I came to her office . . . "

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 22, 2014 - 12:54 pm

    If it is true that a man is what a man does then I absolutely endorse the act of courage behind appearing before the BOS and "speaking truth to power". I absolutely endorse that act . . . but . . . Chris McCaffree appears to be disinclined to run for Auditor Controller.

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  • RaulJanuary 22, 2014 - 2:04 pm

    Phil.....talk him into running against Teflon Joe. We need a person with integrity in that office. Chris will have a tremendous amount of support and could end the dckhead dynasty at the Auditors office for good. JOE MUST GO

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  • Compass2TruthJanuary 22, 2014 - 1:20 pm

    The climate of fear of retaliation is epidemic beyond EDC government. Just because something is legal doesn't mean it is ethical. HR will find a 'legal' method to get rid of any employee who has the moral turpitude to do the 'right thing' when it comes to exposing internal corruption. Conservative statistics claim 1 out of every 5 citizens is unemployed and we all know decent paying jobs are as scarce as hen's teeth. The choice becomes very clear: if you value your job security then you'll keep your mouth shut.

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  • MelodyJanuary 22, 2014 - 1:41 pm

    When Mr. McCaffree and I were speaking with HR Director Pam Knorr after the Special Meeting yesterday, she made a profound observation: EDC has put 9 HR Directors through the meat grinder in just the past 11 years. What does that tell you about the workplace culture-climate? During my 15 years of HR experience it's been proven that surveys/interviews are a waste of taxpayers money because they never provide an accurate assessment of the real issues that need to be addressed. BTW, I sincerely hope Ms. Knorr outlasts her predecessors. She did a great job on her presentation.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 22, 2014 - 1:56 pm

    Melody, did you believe Mr. McCaffree when he seemed to rule out his potential candidacy for office?

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  • MelodyJanuary 22, 2014 - 2:42 pm

    Phil, I learned a lot about politics while I worked for the City of Sac and in the Executive Offices of the BOE. First, whenever you publicly endorse anyone you'll essentially divide the vote. Nine candidates in Dist. 4 is not a good thing. Second, there are 5 essentials to running for public office: good character, a clear strategy, skills to build an adequate war chest ($), a reputable campaign team and a supportive spouse/family. Third, in the words of former Sac Mayor Heather Fargo, "You've got to have a heart, a brain and a SPINE." Last, understand there are no guarantees that the public will elect the right candidate--that's where faith in God's sovereignty is of paramount importance. As for Mr. McCaffree having the necessary qualities to run for office, I believe only he can answer your question. Right now I think my cat Domino would make a much better candidate than Harn.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 22, 2014 - 2:50 pm

    Has Domino been neutered?

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  • MelodyJanuary 22, 2014 - 2:57 pm

    You betcha Domino was neutered! :-)

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  • CevicheJanuary 22, 2014 - 3:50 pm

    Has Joe Harn been neutered?

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  • MelodyJanuary 22, 2014 - 2:55 pm

    Addendum to the above comment: In most cases you can be more effective on the OUTSIDE than on the inside of the political meat grinder. In that case Mr. McCaffree did an outstanding job. More citizens need to follow his excellent role model. Ephesians 5:11 – “Take no part in the worthless deeds of evil and darkness; instead EXPOSE them.”

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  • RaulJanuary 23, 2014 - 9:33 am

    McCAFFREE FOR AUDITOR CONTROLLER! GRAND JURY INVESTIGATION INTO THE CONDUCT AND HARRASEMENT, DISHONESTY AND BACKDOOR DEALINGS OF TEFLON JOE HARN OVER THE PAST 16 YEARS. LAWSUITS BY THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN THE VICTIMS OF ROMANCING JOE! MY WISH LIST FOR 2014

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  • 57 ChevyJanuary 22, 2014 - 4:01 pm

    Elect Domino for El Dorado County Auditor-Controller. He's got the fix for what ails this county.

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  • the cat would be an improvementJanuary 22, 2014 - 4:21 pm

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  • What the Heck?January 22, 2014 - 4:10 pm

    So what's the fix for Vern Pierson? Who's got the balls to run against him?

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  • 1 ball would do itJanuary 22, 2014 - 4:55 pm

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  • Dave M.January 22, 2014 - 4:56 pm

    The only thing funnier than these MD posts is watching Toronto Mayor Ford make an ass out of himself... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/canada/10588544/Video-of-Toronto-Mayor-Rob-Ford-ranting-in-a-Jamaican-accent-emerges.html

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  • BobJanuary 22, 2014 - 5:24 pm

    These comic comments are the only thing worth reading in the MD.

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  • BobJanuary 22, 2014 - 5:28 pm

    PUBLIC not pubic...then again if the shoe fits...

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  • DittoJanuary 22, 2014 - 5:45 pm

    ...to Bob. lololol

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  • go get them phil!January 22, 2014 - 6:16 pm

    A person stands up in front of the Supervisors and says Joe Harn molested his employees. Nothing not a single word from anyone. No one asked for the evidence or a whitness to corroborate the statements and no asked about the validity of the person. People what does it take to get you riled up! A good man Ray Nutting is being attacked by two bullies Joe Harn and Vern Pierson and you sit by and do nothing. There's only two of them!!!! Phil has the guts to stand up against Vern and Joe why can't you? For gods sake women were raped by their supervisor. Phil gave you the evidence! Here's what you need to ask yourself. Do you want to live in a county that the rules of governance are decided by Vern and Joe or by our 5th generation son Ray Nutting. This is a high noon moment for Eldorado county.

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  • EvelynJanuary 22, 2014 - 6:32 pm

    TEST OF VALIDITY: Could Joe Harn sue for defamation?

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  • EvelynJanuary 22, 2014 - 6:34 pm

    ANSWER: No.

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  • not the intelligent , successful or even liked very much veerkamp'sJanuary 22, 2014 - 7:38 pm

    Defamation may be a criminal or civil charge. It encompasses both written statements, known as libel, and spoken statements, called slander. The probability that a plaintiff will recover damages in a defamation suit depends largely on whether the plaintiff is a public or private figure in the eyes of the law. The public figure law of defamation was first delineated in new york times v. sullivan, 376 U.S. 254, 84 S. Ct. 710, 11 L. Ed. 2d 686 (1964). In Sullivan, the plaintiff, a police official, claimed that false allegations about him appeared in the New York Times, and sued the newspaper for libel. The Supreme Court balanced the plaintiff's interest in preserving his reputation against the public's interest in freedom of expression in the area of political debate. It held that a public official alleging libel must prove actual malice in order to recover damages. The Court declared that the First Amendment protects open and robust debate on public issues even when such debate includes "vehement, caustic, unpleasantly sharp attacks on government and public officials." A public official or other plaintiff who has voluntarily assumed a position in the public eye must prove that defamatory statements were made with knowledge that they were false or with reckless disregard of whether they were false.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 22, 2014 - 7:50 pm

    LINK - Chris McCaffree names JOE HARN, cites sexual abuse, in OPEN-ON-THE-RECORD BOS meeting ~~~Three relevant statements by Chris McCaffree at ~~~ 00:27:50 ~~~ 01:19:43 ~~~ 03:04:17

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  • EvelynJanuary 22, 2014 - 8:00 pm

    @7:38 pm: Thank you for citing precedent. There's another consideration, of course. What litigation has the County already dealt with (quietly) in respect of Mr Harn? Mr. McCaffree would have known the answer to this question before addressing BOS on Tuesday. Do you?

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 22, 2014 - 8:01 pm

    Corollary to your DEFAMATION citation ~~~ LINK - Blogger gets same speech protections as traditional press: U.S. court

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  • Hee Haw!!!!January 22, 2014 - 7:40 pm

    Boyz dat evelyn and phil loves them some Ray Nutting dontz day.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 22, 2014 - 7:52 pm

    LINK - Creating a climate of fear and intimidation with County employees

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  • Hee Haw!!!!January 22, 2014 - 7:42 pm

    Here's the fact. Evelyn and Phil, they love each other...

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  • EvelynJanuary 22, 2014 - 8:04 pm

    Of course I love my brother!

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 22, 2014 - 8:17 pm

    . . . even in spite of the fact that I LOVE Rush Limbaugh . . .

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  • Land of OzJanuary 22, 2014 - 9:11 pm

    Uh, maybe I missed something, but when has Phil V. ever stood up to Harn or Pierson, let alone address the BOS? He's the faceless wonder that makes us wonder if he's even from this planet.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 22, 2014 - 9:24 pm

    OZ, over the years I have addressed the Board of Supervisors on two separate occasions on two separate issues that were relevant to me, my brother and my sister. On another occasion I addressed another elected body and SUCCESSFULLY defended against a eminent domain action. I was a lowyer for a day . . . and I won my case . . . 100% batting average as a lowyer. . . . so sorry you missed OZ. You may be a flatlander newbee?

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  • James E.January 22, 2014 - 8:42 pm

    If Phil loves Rush and Evelyn loves Phil then Evelyn must really love Phil.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 22, 2014 - 8:56 pm

    . . . pretty special, James . . . in spite of her . . . uh . . . wrongness . . .

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 22, 2014 - 9:00 pm

    awwwwwwwwww...that is so sweet ♥

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 22, 2014 - 9:05 pm

    stoppit, Fran!!!

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 22, 2014 - 9:13 pm

    Im just sending out the love...than retiring for the night...♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ good night sock puppets and friends...and trolls...and :) and hugs...lots of hugs (someone told me once I was scarier when I was nice...lolololol) Good night

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 22, 2014 - 9:16 pm

    Land of Oz...the wicked witch said to come home now--its way past your bedtime.

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  • Land of OzJanuary 22, 2014 - 9:23 pm

    Oz would still like to know what GGTP meant by the statement "Phil has the guts to stand up against Vern and Joe why can't you?" Huh?

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  • BobJanuary 22, 2014 - 9:28 pm

    He probably meant Chris McCaffree, not Phil. Right?

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 22, 2014 - 10:11 pm

    Sleep on this, Oz ~~~ LINK - Chris McCaffree names JOE HARN, cites sexual abuse, in OPEN-ON-THE-RECORD BOS meeting ~~~ Three relevant statements by Chris McCaffree at ~~~ 00:27:50 ~~~ 01:19:43 ~~~ 03:04:17

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  • Oh BrotherJanuary 23, 2014 - 6:27 am

    Phil - I doubt anyone has the guts to stand up to any of the corruption in this County. The teapartiers such as Cookie 65, Dee#1 et al, blab blab blab about all the other government interference and corruption, but when it comes to starting local they haven't got a word to type. So that makes the tea party a bunch of blab blab. If they can't do s***t in their own county and step up to the plate then they are wasting energy blabbing on this website and are helpless in their quests.

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  • Compass2TruthJanuary 23, 2014 - 7:12 am

    Brother, look before you leap. View the video links (above) that Phil and I both provided of Tuesday's Special BOS meeting re: bully tactics. Note Public Comments during items #2, 3 & 4. Also note attachments I submitted for the public record during agenda Item #3. Those documents address the topic of local government corruption. Melody Lane - Founder, Compass2Truth

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  • Bill E.January 23, 2014 - 7:08 am

    Except for the Sheriff's position, why would these need to be elected positions?? No competition on the ballot is not a good thing and is even less open that an appointment process. No one is willing to run against their boss for fear of retribution. Time to fix the county charter??

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  • Compass2TruthJanuary 23, 2014 - 7:18 am

    Watch the video of Tuesday's BOS meeting and read the documents in agenda Item #3. If Chris Daley is doing his job properly, there should be a follow up article in the Mtn. Demo. soon. There's much more going on than meets the public eye. Stay tuned for the next exciting REALITY episode of "As the World Turns in EDC."

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 23, 2014 - 7:26 am

    Bill, how may hoops to jump through to change the charter? . . . Petition?. . . . followed by election?

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 23, 2014 - 7:35 am

    Good morning Oz. Did everybody sleep well in the Land of Oz Did Harn diddle Dorothy again? ~~~ LINK - Chris McCaffree names JOE HARN, cites sexual abuse, in OPEN-ON-THE-RECORD BOS meeting ~~~ In three relevant statements the curtain is pulled by Chris McCaffree at ~~~ 00:27:50 ~~~ 01:19:43 ~~~ 03:04:17

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  • right on philJanuary 23, 2014 - 9:24 am

    The Veerkamp's believe that Harn and Pierson are the problem. Supervisor Veerkamp's silence in regards to Ray Nutting's prosecution is evidence that he believes Ray is being persecuted. No Supervisor has asked for Ray to step down. No elected official questioned McCafferee's acusations. The Supe's silence is evidence that they believe Ray is being persecuted. And they believe they are next. There hasn't been one person in this County other than Harn and Pierson who have spoken out against Ray. I would like a litmus test of all top elected county officials as to the support of Ray or the corrupt Vern and Joe. It's clear that Ray will win that test hands down. We are tired of being bullied and abused. They are an embarrassment to this county. Ray is just like us.

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  • EvelynJanuary 23, 2014 - 10:54 am

    (1) Mr McCaffree's input at Tuesday's BOS meeting had nothing to do with Supervisor Nutting or DA Pierson. (2) Mr. Nutting's fate will be decided by the judicial process.

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  • Oh BrotherJanuary 23, 2014 - 9:23 am

    Melody I watched you both before links were provided..I still am not seeing any of these folks that blog their blab blab doing a thing locally except you and the previous employee. That us why I don't take the cookie and dees' blabbing seriously..all talk no action.

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  • MelodyJanuary 23, 2014 - 10:07 am

    Brother, glad we're on the same page. Besides McCaffree, Compass2Truth and a handful of other individuals, the majority are just blowing a lot of hot air like Cookie & Dee.

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  • very interestingJanuary 23, 2014 - 10:02 am

    Does Melody Lane and Phil Veerkamp believe Ray Nutting is innocent? I would like to here from them directly

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 23, 2014 - 10:11 am

    I have "reasonable doubt".

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  • MelodyJanuary 23, 2014 - 10:13 am

    Interesting, I don't believe ANY of the BOS or other elected officials are innocent or pure as the freshly driven snow. When their feet are held to the fire the evidence reveals a muddy pig stye. For example read the attachments to Tuesday's agenda Item #3 that I submitted for the public record.

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  • very interestingJanuary 23, 2014 - 10:29 am

    Thank you for your responses. Melody is your response that everyone is corrupt so Ray's corruption doesn't matter? Or more of a inquisition torture 'em all sort of thing? Do you believe Ray is innocent?

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  • Oh BrotherJanuary 23, 2014 - 10:40 am

    I don't believe that anything we care saying has squat to do with Ray Nutting...quit trying to change the subject .

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  • Oh BrotherJanuary 23, 2014 - 10:43 am

    My last statement is directed at very interesting... beginning to think you are Vern or Joe and just repeatedly changing your blog name.

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  • very interestingJanuary 23, 2014 - 12:36 pm

    OB are you talking about me? Read my post again. Melody and Phil have a lot of local insight regarding politics. You stated that no one has the guts to stand up to the corruption in this county. I watched the Supe's meeting that Phil posted. I'm gathering information. I am a member of the Tea Party and I vote. I think that I'm being active in our community.

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  • Oh BrotherJanuary 23, 2014 - 1:07 pm

    Interesting are you reading my posts? There is more corruption than just one person...not one of us has defended nutting ..just said courts will decide. We believe Pierson and Harn are perhaps corrupt... come on now don't play games. Read what we have posted and stop attempting to twist what we are saying.

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 23, 2014 - 1:21 pm

    question...if El dorado Hills became a city--such as Placerville and Tahoe...it would be exempt from many of the BOSs resolutions and ordinances--right? It would have its own city coucil, its own general plan--correct? That would take more power away fro the county--right? the city would decide its own roads and development--correct? just asking

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  • very interestingJanuary 23, 2014 - 1:41 pm

    OB OK you are obviously not stable. I was talking to the people with information and you interjected as if you know what they are thinking. I will not address you or read what you post. You are free to do the same to me. Fran the answer is yes to all your questions. There are only two incorporated cities in our county, Placerville and SLT. 70% of the population of the county live in the EDH area. It should be incorporated

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 23, 2014 - 3:16 pm

    Thank you...the list of people that oppose El dorado Hills becoming its own city is interesting. Why would they oppose it? Back in 2005--there were some interesting groups that were for it...the rumor is that money helped it Not pass. Above my head.

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 23, 2014 - 3:18 pm

    Phil...if El Dorado Hills became a city---how would water be affected in this county? would they have to pay for that third line?

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 23, 2014 - 5:35 pm

    I'll take that puzzle into my subconscious puzzle digester flux capacitor function integrator machine, Fran. Expect pure conjecture. At this point I don't know how the law prohibiting one city from forcing another city to subsidize their water rates will come into play. As it stands now, we in the east subsidize those in the west. The less affluent east subsidizes the more affluent west. That may be a HUGE point of contention. If EDH is forced to draw their water from Folsom . . . . impossible at this time. . . . passing into deep thought . . . . . zzzzzzzzzzzzz . . .

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  • MelodyJanuary 23, 2014 - 3:38 pm

    Interesting, please read some of my earlier posts. Examine the facts/documents I've been presenting to the BOS for the public record. That should answer your question. The subject of Tuesday's Special BOS meeting wasn't just about Nutting, Harn or Pierson. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. EVERY politician, department head or person in a position of authority will be tempted to stray from moral/legal guidelines by the allure of power & greed; therefore they should be prepared to suffer the inevitable consequences. Civil servants work for US, the citizens of EDC. It is up to the taxpayers--their employers--to hold them accountable in order to ensure the system works in the manner our founding fathers originally designed it.

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  • Charlotte's WebJanuary 23, 2014 - 3:52 pm

    Oh the tangled webs we weave when we practice to deceive!

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  • James E.January 23, 2014 - 5:41 pm

    Phil, I read somewhere that only 1% of the water on earth is fresh water. As earth's population increases will we run out of fresh water?

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 23, 2014 - 5:58 pm

    James, "running out of water" has been going on for a long time. “Whiskey is for drinking and water is for fighting over,” is sometimes attributed to Mark Twain.

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  • James E.January 23, 2014 - 5:45 pm

    Or, will the ocean/rain cycle continue to do the job?

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  • James E.January 23, 2014 - 5:52 pm

    I wonder over time if that 1% of fresh water has been constant from say 5,000 BC to 2014 AD? Discuss.

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  • Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?January 23, 2014 - 5:52 pm

    Thou sleepeth? Oh Brother, arise and speak before the new day dawns Friday morn and this blog disappears like the darkness of night!

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 23, 2014 - 6:12 pm

    Doctor: ~~~ What is it she does now? Look how she rubs her hands. Gentlewoman: ~~~ It is an accustom'd action with her, to seem thus washing her hands. I have known her continue in this a quarter of an hour. Lady Macbeth: ~~~ Yet here's a spot. Doctor: ~~~ Hark, she speaks. I will set down what comes from her, to satisfy my remembrance the more strongly. Lady Macbeth: ~~~ Out, damn'd spot! out, I say!—One; two: why, then 'tis time to do't.—Hell is murky.—Fie, my lord, fie, a soldier, and afeard? What need we fear who knows it, when none can call our pow'r to accompt?—Yet who would have thought the old man to have had so much blood in him?

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  • Funny StuffJanuary 23, 2014 - 6:55 pm

    Why do I get the feeling Phil isn't the real OB? Will the authentic Oh Brother please speak up?

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  • . . . have I told you lately . . .January 23, 2014 - 6:04 pm

    . . . that HARN is our responsibility to defend? ~~~ LINK - Chris McCaffree names JOE HARN, cites sexual abuse, in OPEN-ON-THE-RECORD BOS meeting ~~~ Three relevant statements by Chris McCaffree at ~~~ 00:27:50 ~~~ 01:19:43 ~~~ 03:04:17

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  • James E.January 23, 2014 - 6:13 pm

    So this guy Chris stands up in a BOS meeting and says that Mr. Harn has engaged in sexual abuse. What now brown cow? Will there be a criminal investigation or has the investigation already taken place, as in an investigator asking Mr. Harn if he has engaged in sexual abuse with Mr. Harn saying never. End of investigation, no need to speak to anyone else.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 23, 2014 - 6:22 pm

    James have you listened to all three of Mr. McCaffree's statements? This was published June 27 2013(((not in the Mountain Democrat)))LINK - Creating a climate of fear and intimidation with County employees - June 27 2013

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 23, 2014 - 6:22 pm

    PHIL WAKE UP....thanks I guess :P

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 23, 2014 - 6:26 pm

    As far as Harn...the women would have to come forward. Otherwise nothing will happen. It was interesting to watch the BOS meeting---the last one was interesting because an employee under their breathe in front of me said, "this is all bull****." <----meaning the HR, staff, and BOS...she wasnt looking at the audience.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 23, 2014 - 6:32 pm

    FRAN - EDH and EID better do a whole lot of THINKING prior to EHD incorporation. "Independence" will likely be costly to EDH if they eschew subsidies from the west. If They pump "their water" from Folsom then YIPPEE for EID!!! (I think)

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 23, 2014 - 6:34 pm

    SHOULD READ . . .if they eschew subsidies from the EAST. If They pump "their water" from Folsom then YIPPEE for EID!!! (I think)

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 23, 2014 - 6:42 pm

    Thank you Phil--water is complicated. why do you think Harn was opposed to EDH being independent in 2005? Harry Norris Director, El Dorado Irrigation District was for it. http://www.smartvoter.org/2005/11/08/ca/ed/meas/P/. Oh well...water seems to keep poping up....

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 23, 2014 - 6:52 pm

    Norris and Prada "socialized" water rates to the advantage of the more affluent west at the expense of the less affluent east under the premise that we're one district. If we become two districts then it would seem to me that the west's subsidy from the east would become illegal. . . . but I'm no lowyer . . . even though I was a lowyer for a day once upon a time . . . and I won my one and only case . . .

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 23, 2014 - 6:57 pm

    If they had won their government would have had: Section 2. Governmental Structure. The name of the new city shall be "The City of El Dorado Hills." The new city shall have the following governmental structure: a) The governing body of the new city shall be a five-person City Council, initially elected at large from throughout the area to be incorporated. b) Future City Council Members shall be elected either at large or by district as determined by the voters in this election. c) The new city shall have a City Manager form of government. d) The City Council shall appoint a City Manager, City Clerk, City Treasurer and City Attorney who shall serve at the pleasure of the City Council. Even if they are their own city--they would still get funds like Tahoe and Placerville...I dont get it. moving on.

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 23, 2014 - 7:02 pm

    So Norris id not the best person to believe that EDH being its own city was a good idea. I dont know them. I know Mr. Osborn and his wife--nice people. And no trolls we are not BFF s. I just happen to volunteer a lot--so I meet people.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 23, 2014 - 7:03 pm

    Fran, the more I think about EDH incorporation the more I like it. Make them "independent". Make them pump ALL THEIR WATER FROM FOLSOM. Cut their Gold Hill Intertie umbilical. The east will not have to spent $250,000,000 on a third line. With the incorporation of EDH the remaining customers in the east will see a loss of revenue BUT a huge reduction in cost.

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  • Funny StuffJanuary 23, 2014 - 7:05 pm

    Phil Veerkamp's multiple personality disorder is manifesting itself again. Or it could be megalomania...ADHD...schizophrenia...

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 23, 2014 - 7:11 pm

    EID's Senior Water Distribution Operator, Ret. ~~~ I know the system.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 23, 2014 - 7:15 pm

    Oh! . . . BTW . . . I forgot to mention some Funny Stuff ~~~ LINK - Chris McCaffree names JOE HARN, cites sexual abuse, in OPEN-ON-THE-RECORD BOS meeting ~~~ Three relevant statements by Chris McCaffree at ~~~ 00:27:50 ~~~ 01:19:43 ~~~ 03:04:17

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  • "Joe's accident"January 23, 2014 - 8:08 pm

    http://tinyurl.com/lc6pnto

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 23, 2014 - 8:49 pm

    . . . not funny . . . not going away . . . LINK - New HR director refines anti-bullying policy

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  • Oh BrotherJanuary 23, 2014 - 10:59 pm

    Don't worry about this thread going away. Speaking of schizophrenia, seems to be your gig, always changing the name to post by...

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  • Oh BrotherJanuary 23, 2014 - 11:00 pm

    Don't worry about this thread going away. Speaking of schizophrenia, seems to be your gig, always changing the name to post by...

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  • Oh BrotherJanuary 23, 2014 - 11:05 pm

    There you go, I posted one for "funny stuff" and one for "Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?" Now you have your answer for whichever personality you are at the moment.

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 23, 2014 - 7:08 pm

    Phil...I will bring it up--next time anyone asks how I think EDC should work. >:( were you being sarcastic? lololol Why does everyone get to use Folsom Lake--is it owned by Folsom and El dorado? Heavy sigh....water....

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 23, 2014 - 7:13 pm

    Okay Phil...thanks for the input...have a great night.

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  • Sue TaylorFebruary 04, 2014 - 3:33 am

    The other reason El Dorado Hills did not incorporate is that they would have to provide more low income housing in their City since right now their required allotment is being off sited to other areas of the County.

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  • Chris ScottFebruary 17, 2014 - 7:58 pm

    Long time El Dorado county resident and businessman Michael Owen is officially running for the elected office of county auditor-controller.

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  • Fran DuchampFebruary 17, 2014 - 8:27 pm

    Is Mke Owen from the economic group, fairgrounds, Southlake Tahoe Properties, and the Winery in Camino? Michael Owen be appointed to the El Dorado County Economic Development Advisory Committee 2006. Or are these several people?

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  • Fran DuchampFebruary 17, 2014 - 8:30 pm

    Owen CPA in Cameron park, or the one in Pollock Pines

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 17, 2014 - 8:45 pm

    same same, Fran

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  • SliderFebruary 18, 2014 - 8:23 am

    Thank you Mike Owen. Please let us who are opposed to the dynasty of Diamond Joe know what help you need in returning the Auditor-CONTOLLER to the people.

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  • EvelynFebruary 18, 2014 - 8:53 am

    Joe Harn's Campaign & Event Host Committee - HERE

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  • Gretchen LFebruary 18, 2014 - 8:53 am

    Whether you have personal issues with Joe Harn or don't like his personal life or you don't like the fact he had to do his job when it came to the Ray Nutting problems, the man does his job well. We are a county with no debt. And I have to mention he give thousands and thousands of dollars annually to local non profits. Just thought I would mention this.

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