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SUPERVISOR RAY NUTTING, left, and attorney David Weiner, listen to the prosecution's argument against their motion to dismiss charges Friday before Judge Timothy S. Buckley in El Dorado Superior Court in South Lake Tahoe. Democrat photo by Krysten Kellum

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From page A1 | September 23, 2013 | 148 Comments

After a short hearing in South Lake Tahoe, Judge Timothy Buckley ruled that Supervisor Ray Nutting must face trial on the charges brought by the El Dorado County district attorney and California attorney general.

Buckley, who is a retired associate justice, was called in for the Nutting case.

Nutting’s lawyer, David Weiner, had asked for a dismissal of all the charges which included four felonies and several  misdemeanors.

Buckley said his first inclination would have been to refer the allegations back to the county grand jury with proper instructions, as he said the grand jury had been misled due to improper instructions.

However, the grand jury has since been discharged and the information “tainted” due to widespread discussion of the case, he continued. And since there is probable cause that the defendant did commit the alleged offenses, the judge ruled against the motion to dismiss the case.

However, the judge added that in doing so, he was not determining what the jury would ultimately decide in the case since Nutting’s guilt or innocence would have to be established beyond a reasonable doubt.

With that determined, Nutting then pled not guilty to all the charges and a trial date was set for Feb. 4, 2014 although other hearings for appeals and motions will occur later this year. The trial will take place in Placerville, beginning with jury selection. Deputy district attorney James Clinchard estimated the trial would last three weeks.

Following the hearing, Nutting’s attorney David Weiner noted that the judge ruled against them based on reasonable suspicion but no final judgement as to the merits of the case. “We anticipate prevailing,” he said, adding that, “the truth hasn’t been presented. It’s been one-sided with the grand jury misled with prejudiced and inaccurate information.”

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  • 1036-FrankSeptember 20, 2013 - 5:34 pm

    Again, why was this case delayed by the self-proclaimed "innocent" Nutting and why was the time and money wasted for this seldom granted motion? It seems to me he would of demanded a jury trial at the earliest time possible after arrest for many reasons when one is trying to clear their name. Now this motion "procedure" causes more delay as jury selection might start in January/February. I hope all of his supporters keep the checks coming in, he needs every dime for his on-going delays.

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  • EvelynSeptember 20, 2013 - 5:48 pm

    "However, the grand jury has since been discharged and the information “tainted” due to widespread discussion of the case, [Buckley] continued."

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  • George WashingtonSeptember 20, 2013 - 6:04 pm

    Uh oh...

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  • 1036-FrankSeptember 20, 2013 - 6:18 pm

    Since the GJ transcript was released, there should not have been any other conclusion then the case has been public for some time and with a politician these cases are always demanded by the public to be open so the evidence is plain and available for all to read. "Tainted" would refer to the public being informed of the evidence in the case is my guess.

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  • Todd WSeptember 20, 2013 - 6:32 pm

    The judge said the grand jury had been misled due to improper instructions for DA Vern Peirson

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  • 1036-FrankSeptember 20, 2013 - 6:53 pm

    Perhaps the key statement being the fact the judge concluded, "There was probable cause to believe Nutting committed the offences." There have now been several times this has been confirmed. Trial will prove "Beyond a reasonable doubt." for a conviction, if the evidence is as reported and the conclusion matches.

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  • Oh BrotherSeptember 20, 2013 - 7:04 pm

    Lord help the jurors that get picked for this trial...don't want to make enemies of the DA...

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  • Fair TrialSeptember 20, 2013 - 7:26 pm

    When the judge says the information is "tainted" he more likely means that the grand jury has been exposed to the public discussion and is no longer in a position to base a decision only on information provided in the grand jury proceeding....That information seems to be part of the problem, as the prosecution has been accused of improperly instructing the grand jury and providing false and misleading evidence. The standard for dismissal is very high and the probable cause determination is very low...There is a long way to go, and everyone should just take a deep breath and allow the legal process to unfold...

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  • Phil VeerkampSeptember 20, 2013 - 7:44 pm

    Fair Trial - In the meantime take note of the Tom Delay. LINK - Earle grand jury shopped (it took 3) until he obtained the last-second indictment against DeLay. There should never have been an indictment or a trial at all.

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  • R.J. CarterSeptember 20, 2013 - 7:55 pm

    Phil...I thought you were listing to Art Bell.....I love Art Bell, but don't have Sirius radio....Dang

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  • Phil VeerkampSeptember 20, 2013 - 7:58 pm

    multitasking R. J. MULTITASKING - - - I'm putting in for a pay raise.

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  • Todd WSeptember 20, 2013 - 8:03 pm

    Tainted is because too many people know that he was indicted by the first GJ. When people know this they are considered tainted. You can't take a second run if people know the out come of the first.

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  • Phil VeerkampSeptember 20, 2013 - 8:10 pm

    Michio Kaku is explaining quantum mechanics "entanglement" - Schrodinger's cat - Nutting can be both guilty AND innocent. We won't know until the "wave" is collapsed when the box is opened.

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  • Conrad HeisenbergSeptember 20, 2013 - 9:56 pm

    What is the over under on ole Ray Jay pleading out? I'm thinking there is a 99% chance he gets a deal. Then again, he's not the sharpest tool in the shed. Should be fun! I hope he goes to trial and gets the maximum sentence!

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  • Fair TrialSeptember 20, 2013 - 10:11 pm

    Phil...the Tom Delay case illustrates the fundamental problem with the grand jury system...the proceedings are one-sided and lack the normal limitations on the prosecutor. The prosecutor's role is not to obtain a conviction, but to "fully and fairly present to the court the evidence material to the charge upon which the defendant stands trial".

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  • roertdnollSeptember 20, 2013 - 10:30 pm

    R.J, how can you not have Sirius?we both bought their stock

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  • Jesus H ChristSeptember 21, 2013 - 9:09 am

    Tom Delay, John Doolittle, Dave Machado, and Ray Nutting. All good republicans.

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  • Phil VeerkampSeptember 21, 2013 - 9:35 am

    Mr. Christ, you forgot to add Bernie Madoff

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  • Phil VeerkampSeptember 21, 2013 - 9:57 am

    Mr. Christ, here is another useless list of convicted notables - all D's - Thomas Porteous (D) The Federal Judge Jesse Jackson, Jr. (D-IL) William J. Jefferson (D-LA) Jim Traficant (D-OH) Frank Ballance (D-NC) Wade Sanders (D), Deputy Assistant United States Secretary of the Navy Webster Hubbell (D), United States Associate Attorney General Mel Reynolds (D-IL) Walter R. Tucker III (D-CA) Austin Murphy (D-PA) Carl C. Perkins (D-Kentucky) Carroll Hubbard (D-Kentucky) Mary Rose Oakar (D-Ohio) Walter Fauntroy (D-District of Columbia) Dan Rostenkowski (D-IL) Joe Kolter (D-Pennsylvania) Robert Frederick Collins (D) Judge of the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Louisiana. Walter Nixon (D) US Judge (Mississippi) (appointed by Lyndon Johnson in 1968

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  • James E.September 21, 2013 - 9:59 am

    Oh sure Phil, one little mistake and they get on your list.

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  • William ReeceSeptember 21, 2013 - 11:26 am

    No way this goes to trial. Ray has to know if he goes to trial, he's done. Probably looking at jail time. He'll plead out and then fade away forever. Probably for the best...

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  • Fran DuchampSeptember 21, 2013 - 11:50 am

    I found the title I was looking for...doesnt mean Im a democrat...or a republican (just saying) The idea that recent mass shooters are mostly registered Democrats is a myth http://tinyurl.com/aahjq6j if one looks long enough the title will appear. Oh this was for Kelly...oh well--hopefully she just reads the wall.

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  • Fran DuchampSeptember 21, 2013 - 12:02 pm

    "Buckley had no trouble concluding three of the four counts should proceed to trial, but count two troubled him. This involves the nearly $72,000 Nutting received from the Sierra Coordinated Resource Management Council in 2009 that he attempted to report 4½ years after the fact. Buckley said the grand jury that leveled the indictment against Nutting was not properly instructed and that because those 18 people had been disbanded without being told not to talk about the case it would be impossible to reconvene them to reconsider that specific count." who forgets to tell a jury not to talk? Interesting. http://tinyurl.com/qd3wkdd

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  • In El-DoradoSeptember 21, 2013 - 12:16 pm

    Hey Fran. A person's facts can depend on solely where they go for their information. Try this link. http://clashdaily.com/2013/01/the-5-worst-mass-murders-in-the-usa-with-a-firearm-came-from-democrats/

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  • Oh BrotherSeptember 21, 2013 - 12:30 pm

    no wonder the USA is so messed up..everything is a p...ing contest. I'm better than you cause I'm a Democrat, no your not, I am better cause I'm a Republican..freaking kids stopping feet and having temper tantrums and competing instead of being human and trying to get along and draw some solid conclusions after everyone has spoke their ideas, blend things together and try to do what is best for the people..not gonna happen..as I've been told, I am to much of a bleeding heart who believes in logic, kindness and just plain old getting along and respect..

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  • George WashingtonSeptember 21, 2013 - 1:12 pm

    "Fran DuchampSeptember 21, 2013 - 12:02 pm "Buckley had no trouble concluding three of the four counts should proceed to trial, but count two troubled him. This involves the nearly $72,000 Nutting received from the Sierra Coordinated Resource Management Council in 2009 that he attempted to report 4½ years after the fact. Buckley said the grand jury that leveled the indictment against Nutting was not properly instructed and that because those 18 people had been disbanded without being told not to talk about the case it would be impossible to reconvene them to reconsider that specific count." who forgets to tell a jury not to talk? Interesting. http://tinyurl.com/qd3wkdd" In the end, it doesn't matter. He will be given the opportunity to explain himself at trial. If he's innocent, he will be found innocent. The mere fact that he didn't bother reporting the income until 4 1/2 years later deserves an explanation. We're all getting what we want, for Ray to stand trial and be proven guilty or acquitted once a for all. If that happens, anyway. Lots of time for him to plead out before February 4th. We'll see...

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  • George WashingtonSeptember 21, 2013 - 1:15 pm

    "In El-DoradoSeptember 21, 2013 - 12:16 pm Hey Fran. A person's facts can depend on solely where they go for their information. Try this link. http://clashdaily.com/2013/01/the-5-worst-mass-murders-in-the-usa-with-a-firearm-came-from-democrats/" Thank you In El Dorado! Truer words were never spoken. Some of these so called "sources" are ridiculous. When you're backing up your claims with links to Ty Robben's websites, you clearly have issues with reality.

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  • Fran DuchampSeptember 21, 2013 - 2:06 pm

    Washington...I am glad if anyone gets their day in court. Ray deserves his. Im just shocked that the jury wasnt given correct directions...but then im still shocked that our Grand jury was disbanded. Well not shocked...confused. I was a witness once in a murder trail...and everytime I soke on stand--it was repeated over and over--do not talk about any events outside of this room. So wouldnt a jury hear that even twice as much? Oh well...as you said. Ray will get his day in court.

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  • Fran DuchampSeptember 21, 2013 - 2:16 pm

    spoke. Washington. And as far as links...it was my point as well....that if you look long enough--you can find the title you have in mind. People had asked if the shooter was a democrat. I found for the last part of his life...he had turned to meditation...and politics were not really spoken about. I am registered one way...however in the last few years, I have voted outside of my party. I dont know if I believe in either party any more...I am leaning toward Indep. so in the shooter instance...it seems he had medical issues that needed help. the other point was that anyone can contribute to wiki. They do have a group that tries to go in and check...and they will close a site down. So as with any source--it is best to give several...even some of the "off" sites can provide clues to move with.

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  • D. WeinerSeptember 21, 2013 - 7:44 pm

    George Washington is 100 percent correct. Anyone can go to the Elections Board and get there own copy of Raymond Nuttings Amended 700 Statement of Economic Intrest for the year 2009, then you can turn to page two and see that Raymond Nutting now claims to have recieved a income from the California Forestry Improvement Plan in the amount between 10,001 to 100,000.This is signed by the honorable Raymond Nutting.This document is date stamped by the Elections Board April 4th 2013. There is no dispute with the facts.Go see for yourself all you supporters of Raymond Nutting, and keep sending all those defense fund checks.

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  • railroadSeptember 21, 2013 - 7:49 pm

    Oh D. Weiner that's not right.

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  • readerSeptember 21, 2013 - 8:08 pm

    "D. Weiner" -- http://www.mtdemocrat.com/terms-of-use/ -- 4. WEBSITE ACCESS AND USE - (B) Furthermore, except as expressly permitted in these Terms of Use, you may not: (ix) encourage conduct that violates any local, state or federal law, either civil or criminal, or impersonate another user, person, or entity - 6. USER CONTENT - (C) You will not submit any User Content that: (ii) impersonates another . . .

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  • ReaderSeptember 21, 2013 - 8:28 pm

    Dawn Hodson: Is the MDem OK with "D. Weiner" @ September 21, 2013 - 7:44 pm ?

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  • GoldMinerSeptember 21, 2013 - 9:19 pm

    You Folks who want to constantly bicker with each other, over Democrats versus Republicans, are all falling for the oldest Con in the world, "Divide and Conquer". As long as two sides are fighting each other, they are not paying attention to what the Puppet Masters are doing, getting away with. Believe me, the biggest fear to any Politician, is an united public, who are on the same page with one another. It's like cryptonite to Superman. Why do you think they all stopped going to their Town Hall meetings? Cause they got attacked by ALL of their constituents on alot of issues. Without the bickering that both sides are so eager to join in on, politicians would curl up like the wicked witch of the East.

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  • Just the Facts...September 22, 2013 - 10:24 am

    "Fake Weiner": Please refer to Fair Political Practices Commission Regulations § 81004.5. Reports and Statements; Amendments. "Any report or statement filed pursuant to this title may be amended by the filer at any time. Amending an incorrect or incomplete report or statement may be considered as evidence of good faith." On the FPPC website to which you refer, you will also find an enforcement action, in about June of this year, in which the FPPC fined Ray Nutting a whopping $400 for the failure to include the income at issue on his Form 700.

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  • EvelynSeptember 22, 2013 - 12:34 pm

    Just the Facts... : A $400 fine? A couple years ago someone reported at a City Council meeting having been fined (if I recall correctly) in excess of $500 for his car being left out of prescribed hours at the Ivy House Parking lot. If memory serves, there was no charge of felony. The going rates for felonies ain't what they used to be. (I'm trying to abide by the Mt. Dem's new revulsion re !!! marks.)

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  • Phil VeerkampSeptember 22, 2013 - 12:45 pm

    ^!!^

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  • EvelynSeptember 22, 2013 - 12:49 pm

    Clever. (I wish there were permitted punctuation with which I could respond.)

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  • EvelynSeptember 22, 2013 - 12:51 pm

    We are in great danger of straying into one of those "Regulars-Only" conversations. ENOUGH. (No exclamation mark.)

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  • Just the Facts...September 22, 2013 - 2:58 pm

    Evelyn: That's right...$400. The Political Reform Act provides monetary sanctions (and misdemeanor criminal penalties for violations that are knowing and willful.) From the 995 Motion, it seems the DA had to go outside the Political Reform Act to find a felony charge...makes you wonder why when the FPPC finds only a minor violation.

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  • EvelynSeptember 22, 2013 - 3:03 pm

    Just the Facts... Why would the DA be so hot for a felony charge? Surely what he wants is justice.

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  • Just the FactsSeptember 22, 2013 - 3:07 pm

    One would hope...

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  • James E.September 22, 2013 - 3:08 pm

    Evelyn, prosecutors love to overcharge.

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  • EvelynSeptember 22, 2013 - 3:08 pm

    Here is an article titled "How to Fight Judicial Corruption and Government Corruption - Part 16 -- File Criminal Charges with the District Attorney and U.S. Attorney". Below the body of the article are links to Parts 1 - 15. (Some very interesting titles)

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  • James E.September 22, 2013 - 3:09 pm

    Throw everything up on the wall hoping something will stick.

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  • James E.September 22, 2013 - 3:10 pm

    OK, back to Netflix -- watching a great French police/legal show. Be back later.

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  • Oh BrotherSeptember 22, 2013 - 5:23 pm

    It the s..t does stick to the wall, badger them into pleading out.

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  • Oh BrotherSeptember 22, 2013 - 6:01 pm

    *doesn't*

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  • cookie65September 23, 2013 - 4:47 am

    Herding cats

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  • Little RickySeptember 23, 2013 - 8:48 am

    One Crook Going Down...

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  • Little RickySeptember 23, 2013 - 8:57 am

    WASHINGTON, DC — It’s not just medical and legal marijuana states that watched the Justice Department’s announcement of its response to marijuana law reforms in the states with interest. Nine states have laws regulating the production of industrial hemp, and ten more have asked Congress to remove barriers to industrial hemp production. Hemp is also moving in the Congress. An amendment to the Farm Bill cosponsored by Reps. Earl Blumenauer (D-OR), Thomas Massie (R-KY), and Jared Polis (D-CO) passed the House on a vote of 225-200 in July and will now go to a joint House-Senate conference committee. And the Industrial Hemp Farming Act (House Resolution 525 and Senate Bill 359) is pending in both chambers. At a Tuesday Capitol Hill briefing organized by the industry group Vote Hemp, state and federal elected officials said they thought the Justice Department’s policy directive on marijuana opened the door not just to regulated medical and legal marijuana, but also to industrial hemp production. Some states intend to move forward, they said. “That Department of Justice ruling pertained to cannabis,” said Kentucky Agriculture Commissioner John Comer, “and hemp has always been banned because it’s in the cannabis family. The Department of Justice ruling pertained to states with a regulatory framework for cannabis, and we feel that includes hemp as well. Our legislation set up a regulatory framework.” The legislation Comer is referring to is Kentucky Senate Bill 50, the Bluegrass State’s industrial hemp bill, which passed the legislature with bipartisan support, gained endorsements by both of the state’s Republican US senators, Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul, and became law without the governor’s signature in April. It establishes an Industrial Hemp Commission and sets up procedures for licensing farming and processing. “We have a hemp commission meeting Thursday, and we are going to request that Rand Paul send a letter to the DEA telling them we intend to get going next year unless the Department of Justice tells us otherwise,” Comer said. “We are taking a very proactive stance in Kentucky. We’ve been trying to replace tobacco, and hemp is an option not only for our farmers, but it could also create manufacturing jobs in our rural communities.” The commission did meet Thursday, and it voted unanimously to move forward with industrial hemp production, aiming at producing hemp next year. “That’s our first goal, to get the crop established. Then, once companies and industries see that we have a crop here established and growing, we believe industries will start coming here looking for it instead of importing it from other countries,” said Brian Furnish, chairman of the Industrial Hemp Commission, after the Thursday vote. According to Vote Hemp, Kentucky isn’t the only state planning on moving forward with hemp next year. Vermont just released its Hemp Registration Form that allows farmers to apply for hemp permits and the Colorado Department of Agriculture is developing regulations to license hemp farmers in 2014. North Dakota has issued permits for several years now. Imported hemp is now a $500 million a year industry, Vote Hemp’s Eric Steenstra said. Congressman Thomas Massie (R-KY), who also played an important role in passing the Kentucky bill and who is a cosponsor of the House hemp bill, said he was encouraged by the Justice Department policy directive, but that it was not enough. “We need more than a Justice Department ruling,” he told the press conference. “As a farmer and entrepreneur, I want some certainty. I want a legislative remedy for this, and that’s why I continue to push hard for our bill, which would exclude hemp from definition as a controlled substance.” But while the House hemp bill now has 47 cosponsors, it still has a long row to hoe. The hemp amendment to the Farm Bill, which would allow hemp production for university research purposes, has already passed the House and awaits action in conference committee. “If you can attach an amendment to a spending bill, then you can get action,” said Massie. “I have to give credit to Rep. Polis for doing this. This is a farm issue, not a drug issue. And while there was debate over whether it was wise to even have a vote, it passed. People decided spontaneously to vote for it as an amendment.” While the Senate has not passed a similar provision, Massie said he was hopeful that it would make it through conference committee. “There is no equivalent in the Senate, there is no companion amendment, but we do have [Senate Minority Leader] Mitch McConnell, who is all for it,” he said. “I’m hopeful it will survive, and we’ll continue to work on the standalone hemp bill.” “It was important to get the House language in the Farm Bill,” said Polis. “Not only does it allow universities to do research that is needed, but it also symbolically moves forward with embracing the potential for industrial hemp production.” Polis said he was cheered by the Justice Department’s policy directive when it came to hemp. “They listed eight enforcement priorities, and industrial hemp isn’t even on the enforcement radar,” the Boulder congressman said. “We see no federal interest in going after states or hemp producers. The risk is minimal. But minimal isn’t good enough for some folks, and that’s why we want to continue to gather support for the Industrial Hemp Farming Act. You don’t want to have to depend on a federal prosecutor or the attorney general not getting up on the wrong side of the bed in the morning.” Industrial hemp may be an afterthought for Justice Department policy setters, but the recent guidance has emboldened hemp advocates to push forward faster than ever. Getting hemp research approved in the Farm Bill would be a good first step; passing the Industrial Hemp Act would be even better. But it doesn’t look like some states are going to wait for Congress to act.

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  • Phil VeerkampSeptember 23, 2013 - 9:10 am

    Hey, L.R. - A link would have saved on monitor ink - more link, less ink - also - find an old Visman article to post your pot crusade

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  • Sara YatesSeptember 23, 2013 - 9:13 am

    Roertdnoll - his wife won't let him have sirius radio... She let him have a cat, for pete's sake! Poor R.J. ;o)

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  • R.J. CarterSeptember 23, 2013 - 9:29 am

    Robert.... I lost my butt on Sirius Sat. Radio stock, I guess that's why I can't bring myself to have a Sirius radio....Sara....I have all kinds of animals big and small....I especially like cats, have five of them...Cee Cee, Tia, Zoey, Scraps and Molly....

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  • Sara YatesSeptember 23, 2013 - 9:30 am

    Phil Veerkamp re LR comment.... That's funny... LR - Lay off the chatty Cathy... Good Lord!

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  • Phil VeerkampSeptember 23, 2013 - 9:35 am

    Sarah - ^!!^

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  • Sara YatesSeptember 23, 2013 - 9:36 am

    RJ - I didn't know you had 5 cats... I recall you having 1 that you talked about a lot, but that was a few years back. I love cats, too. Mine are Rocky (formerly known as Roxie until we saw, well you know) and Baby (who the dogs now get confused with my granddaughter, who is sometimes called "the baby"...). You can't really say the deer are your animals, if you're counting them... Oh, no... we're totally off subject. What's her name is going to be posting a comment any second... Nice seeing you, btw!

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  • Little RickySeptember 23, 2013 - 9:53 am

    Run from the cure..... http://youtu.be/0psJhQHk_GI?t=27m31s

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  • Sara YatesSeptember 23, 2013 - 9:59 am

    LR - I didn't say I opposed medical marijuana, quite the opposite. I was just pointing out that you wrote a short novel about it, which lost my interest after 2 sentences... sorry :o(-)--~

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  • Little RickySeptember 23, 2013 - 10:06 am

    Francis Veerkamp was not that great By Letters to the Editor From page A5 | 3 Comments EDITOR: In the name of family modesty and humility a correction is in order. Chris Daley reports on Brian’s victory speech by asserting that Brian, “quoted his great-great-great-grandfather who said, ‘Do right and fear no man.’” Brian’s Dad is Jim. Jim’s Dad was Maurice, Brian’s Grandpa Veerkamp. Maurice’s Dad was Louis, Brian’s Great-Grandpa Veerkamp. Louis’ Dad was Francis Veerkamp, Brian’s Great-Great-Grandpa Veerkamp. Francis Veerkamp’s greatness needs to be reduced by 1/3. It’s only right. Now, if this “excessive greatness” is the result of shoddy research on the part of Mr. Daley then sharpen up, Chris. On the other hand, if Mr. Daley is seeking some sort of GOB favor through a gratuitous bestowment of undue greatness on Francis Veerkamp then I have this to say, “Mr. Daley, your overture is offensively transparent, and Brian will see right through it. Shame on you!” But it is possible that Brian has mistakenly assigned an extra level of greatness on Francis Veerkamp. If that is the case, Brian, then please take note — in the name of family modesty and humility. However, Brian, if this prattle is patently pretentious pompous political puffery then knock it off. Your Great-great-grandpa Francis would be proud of you. Don’t blow it. P.S. Brian, just because my father was your Great Uncle Sammy I have no intention whatsoever of exploiting the GOB network by seeking a variance on my ¼ acre Diamond Springs parcel to build a casino-bar-brothel to “service” the flatlanders. Second Cousin Phil, First Cousin of your Dad… PHILLIP VEERKAMP Diamond Springs

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  • Sara YatesSeptember 23, 2013 - 6:23 pm

    Little Ricky - I liked your last comment. Very interesting. Maybe I enjoy history more than I thought?

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  • Phil VeerkampSeptember 23, 2013 - 6:38 pm

    Sarah, here is my LTE as published. I trust you recognize the tongue-in-cheek play on words regarding one too many greats preceding Grandpa. - LINK - Francis Veerkamp was not that great ~~~ I had no real quarrel with Brian, just the greatest of family pride and respect. (Family history is HARD.)

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  • R SmithSeptember 23, 2013 - 8:12 pm

    Some of the comments here are frankly quite pathetic. They come from those who are full–of–it and/or did not attend the hearing at Lake Tahoe. For those who were not in attendance, a good part of the hearing was given over to setting a trial date and place that would fit the calendar of the visiting judge and attorneys, nothing more sinister than that. Suggesting Ray is sandbagging the process rises to the level of ignorance and serves to keep rabblerousing alive. I would suggest that those who disparage people who choose to support Ray financially and in spirit, put their money where their mouth is and deliver a check to the county treasurer. This will provide an opportunity to follow the support money from the treasurer to the auditor/controller to be dispersed for government activities which might include the new computer system and the abundant compensation for those who administer that disaster. To suggest that Ray should “fess up” and save the taxpayers some money does not square with the judge who recognized that the prosecution failed to properly instruct the Grand Jury as to their responsibility and therefore a trial would be required. Be assured that the decision to burden the taxpayers with Ray’s prosecution and trial belong to the highly educated and compensated prosecutors, not Ray. Those who choose to support Ray understand that which has befallen Ray could reach out and ensnare them next. With the ever increasing burden of regulations and laws, stepping on an endangered plant or the proverbial spitting on the sidewalk could find you in the grip of the justice system. To the detriment of citizens, the law, not unlike the IRS, has become a weapon of convenience at the hand of government to be used against those who question or impede the agenda of those who occupy the throne of power. When supervisors choose to serve those who have honored them with their vote they plant a burr under the saddle of those self servers who ride roughshod over the counties citizens. A case in point being, if Ray had chosen not to serve as a supervisor, all the charges against him would not have seen the light of day. Being a non elected citizen would not have triggered the charges. Being a free thinking and voting supervisor pulled the trigger. One of my well used statements “If you don’t work on government, government will work on you” has been beset by politicians who have discovered that the laws they produce are no longer for the protection of citizens, but are to be used to maintain an agenda. It is now in this county and beyond “If you work on government, government will work on you”. The power broker syndrome begins when an elected official squats on the job to long. This allows the official to forge alliances with other officials, members of the judicial system including the Grand Jury, the news media along with money fed agendas from within, and outside the county. This leads to the election of those who will run interference for whichever agenda is on the front burner. This will then allow us to enjoy all the same protection as a sitting duck. Maybe term limits should be extended beyond supervisor.

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  • sad but trueSeptember 24, 2013 - 6:18 am

    R.Smith, we've all seen your site. Your statement "Those who choose to support Ray understand that which has befallen Ray could reach out and ensnare them next." Hits the nail on the head. Another statement you made, " One of my well used statements “If you don’t work on government, government will work on you” has been beset by politicians who have discovered that the laws they produce are no longer for the protection of citizens, but are to be used to maintain an agenda." Right on the nose. Ray manipulated the system at every turn. Finding loopholes of free cash not available to the average Joe. He used his power and influence to help himself to the government trough. All the while attending every Tea Party meeting through out the county chiding fiscal conservancy. He has let his friends, family, party and constituents down. You chose to ignore the reality.

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  • EvelynSeptember 24, 2013 - 7:11 am

    R Smith's September 23, 2013 - 8:12 pm comment deserves close reading.

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  • EvelynSeptember 24, 2013 - 7:17 am

    The Lake Tahoe News report here.

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  • sad but trueSeptember 24, 2013 - 7:24 am

    R. Smith (Pioneer Fire District) is upset because he got caught trying to give Alarcon, Dillenger and Nutting $30,000.00 of El Dorado County tax payer money. Joe Harn didn't let those boys get away with it. Frankly, the apologist for Nutting's defense is scary. Throw out the rule of law? Laws don't mean the same for those who live above 2200 feet? R. Smith is a disgraced unapologetic rube. He's in the same mold as Nutting. Too stupid to know better.

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  • agent provocateurSeptember 24, 2013 - 9:41 am

    I just filed a Grand Jury complaint against Vern Pierson, yep...

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  • 1036-FrankSeptember 24, 2013 - 9:46 am

    Regardless of claims the GJ was "improperly instructed" which seems to be the only thing this "gang" has to hang their hats on which doesn't really amount to much now as the charges have been aired and the judge found the charges to be valid with probable cause to believe he committed the offences charged and a trial date has been set for a jury to hear the evidence. What this case does illustrate is that which a lot of people knew and some forgot. There is a new DA in town. The old days and ways of "business as usual" are gone and people are awake now. The old Gob network where it took only a wink and a nod and a phone call to get out of crimes and have charges never filed or dropped or disappear have gone. Times changed but some people didn't. Facts in this case are the facts, starting with the illegal out of control fires, which required several Calfire responses, the rest of the evidence in the case seems clear as well as it is either there or not and the case was set for trial. There is far more to this story as it does involve other events and the inter-connected network of birds of a feather, like the Pioneer Fire Tax, as this appears to involve a familiar "gang" and tax dollars misused, and again they seem to have forgotten, there is a new DA in town. .

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  • "Fake Weiner"September 24, 2013 - 9:48 am

    Good.

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  • R SmithSeptember 24, 2013 - 10:12 am

    sad but true: What kind of name is that?There we go again with unnamed uninformed brilliance. The Pioneer Fire District which is a separate government unto itself with no connection to the county supervisors. It is put in place by the voters and could not contract with campaign consultants and pay them $30,000 without the consent of the district fire board which is elected by the district voters. It would then require the auditor/controller to cut the check. If this is the case for Pioneer the auditor is acting as the treasure for the district. The question becomes, why the auditor did not question the $30,000 expenditure before the fact instead of complying then raising a stink after the fact. Hiring consultants to guide a district through a tax revenue campaign for voter support is a customary practice with the consultants ending their involvement at the time the district files their campaign papers. Taxpayer’s money cannot be used for the actual campaign to raise taxes.

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  • Fran DuchampSeptember 24, 2013 - 10:31 am

    Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law...everyone have a great day...be nice--play fair.

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  • Frank DrebbinSeptember 24, 2013 - 10:56 am

    @agent provocateur- Ty, get a life. You got fired. Deal with it. No more cushy government job for you. Time to go out and actually work for a living. Or continue your nutball protests and frivolous legal filings. Just remember, you're no Ray Nutting. Nobody is going to be donating to you.

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  • Sad but trueSeptember 24, 2013 - 11:00 am

    And that is the world according to RSmith. At best an ignorant rube. And an apologist for the scum of the county.

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  • Bill CampellSeptember 24, 2013 - 11:29 am

    RSmith omits a couple of facts in regards towards his decision to give Nutting Alarcon and Dillenger $30,000.00. It was the largest campaign expendenture of any Fire District in the history of Ca. Also it was illegal.

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  • Oh BrotherSeptember 24, 2013 - 11:49 am

    I don't think this new DA is so squeaky clean irregardless of who he charges what with so 1036-Frank drivel on and continue kissing his butt if you want. This county is still packed full of the GOB network...live in your deluded world if you so choose..

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  • =_=September 24, 2013 - 11:49 am

    Bill Campell & sad but true & Frank Drebbin are not real people like me.

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  • RegardlessSeptember 24, 2013 - 12:15 pm

    Oh Brother, irregardless? At least we know you're truly an El Dorado County resident. You might as well have said whatnot. Irregardless is considered nonstandard because of the two negative elements ir- and -less. It was probably formed on the analogy of such words as irrespective, irrelevant, and irreparable. irregardless an erroneous word that, etymologically, means the exact opposite of what it is used to express

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  • Frank DrebbinSeptember 24, 2013 - 12:17 pm

    @Oh Brother The GOB network is going down one at a time. Ray's up first.

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  • Phil VeerkampSeptember 24, 2013 - 12:20 pm

    Regardless brings to mind a nice word that was used earlier this very day on this very forum - pedantic

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  • Oh BrotherSeptember 24, 2013 - 12:26 pm

    Delusional if anyone thinks the GOB is going down.

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  • RegardlessSeptember 24, 2013 - 12:36 pm

    Phil brings some words to mind as well...pompous, self-important, myopic... Words are fun!

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  • Frank DrebbinSeptember 24, 2013 - 12:39 pm

    You have to start somewhere Oh Brother. Why not with someone suckling the public teat?

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  • scoreboardSeptember 24, 2013 - 1:33 pm

    FD, Ray is hardly the first GOB who has been outed. Machado was the first pelt hanging to my recollection. Then two of the three stooges Alarcon and Dillenger were nailed up PFD. Then GOB suck up wannabe developer Leonard Grado has been placed in collections by the county in spite of his head stuffed up Sweeney's arss. The Bee is writing a story regarding our county listing it as the most corrupt in the state. People won't ignore the obvious anymore. We won't settle for business as usual.

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  • RaulSeptember 24, 2013 - 1:38 pm

    SAD BUT TRUE Maybe you are right, maybe you are wrong, but nobody can rip off public like Not So Average Diamond Joe Harn your 1 million dollar every 4 year guardian of the public. Whats your Calpers retirement going to be Joe when you are run out this year? Are you going to post it on your El Dorado County sponsored $100.000 club list.? We will know before the election

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  • =_=September 24, 2013 - 1:41 pm

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  • Frank DrebbinSeptember 24, 2013 - 1:42 pm

    @scoreboard My apologies for overlooking the examples you listed. Indeed, Ray is not the first, nor will he be the last. One GOB at a time. It's a slow process, but worth it.

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  • =_=September 24, 2013 - 1:44 pm

    ıllıllı яαυℓ, ωнεη ∂σεs נσε яυη αgαιη? ıllıllı

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  • RegardlessSeptember 24, 2013 - 1:45 pm

    Now don't all you gun control nuts go freaking out on me! =)

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  • observerSeptember 24, 2013 - 1:51 pm

    Observer: Sweeney must have trouble walking.

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  • RegardlessSeptember 24, 2013 - 2:10 pm

    Oh no! They're removing all of our beautiful pictures! What could possibly be offensive about a crayon?

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  • Phil VeerkampSeptember 24, 2013 - 2:14 pm

    Wheat and chaff?

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  • scoreboardSeptember 24, 2013 - 2:15 pm

    Harn did out Nutting, Dillenger Alarcon and Grado. Possibly to his detriment. Some, mainly those indicted, hate him for doing it. It seems Harn doesn't care what the criminals think. I find that refreshing.

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  • RegardlessSeptember 24, 2013 - 2:16 pm

    Pot...kettle?

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  • SparkySeptember 24, 2013 - 3:39 pm

    Define GOB. Since will be overused by those who aspire to be in the know, it only makes sense to establish the baseline. A working definition. Line in the water...

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  • =_=September 24, 2013 - 4:28 pm

    Sparky: You go first.

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  • Brick TamlandSeptember 24, 2013 - 4:49 pm

    Is it just me or does this Nutting guy look like a World Class creep? What is with the bulge-eyed "deer in the headlights" look he has in every picture? And that mustache! Yikes! Ray, Ron Burgundy called...he wants his mustache back!

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  • =_=September 24, 2013 - 5:05 pm

    Brick, my dear, here's the answer to your question: It is just you.

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  • G. BradshawSeptember 24, 2013 - 5:22 pm

    Ray has the classic look of a good man doing his best to defend himself while being crucified by blood-thirsty political rivals and a corrupt D.A.

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  • Immaculate perceptionSeptember 24, 2013 - 5:30 pm

    Classic look... Perfect

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  • Miner JusticeSeptember 24, 2013 - 6:13 pm

    G Bradshaw In your vast knowledge, explain why you label the DA corrupt? Other than indicting, prosecuting and convicting you and your minions. The State AG is leading the Prosecution... corrupt too? The Judge and Jury, coincidentally memory has it that Nutting plead the 5th to. Corrupt also? Yes you fellers long for old time good old boy miner justice. The fact is that when the miners got tired of parasites like you people in their camp, they'd get together and swing your sorry behinds from a tree like pinatas. Concider yourselves lucky

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  • =_=September 24, 2013 - 6:45 pm

    Miner Justice, swinging behinds from a tree like pinatas .......... you work for the da?

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  • G. BradshawSeptember 24, 2013 - 7:49 pm

    By the time this farce is all said & done Miner Justice and our D.A. will be cell mates..

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  • LpSeptember 24, 2013 - 11:38 pm

    Let's just let this thing play out in a court of law, and see what happens! In this country, you are innocent until proven guilty. But, it doesn't look good for Ray. Hopefully, we have a real honest court of law here.....

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  • Oh BrotherSeptember 26, 2013 - 9:01 am

    Sparky - GOB, good ole boys club...you know, the ones like Gary Lacy, Bill Wilson and several other members of our judicial system whose cases get swept under the carpet by their good ole boys in the district attorney's office...and so many other definitions to tell about...do your homework...where is all the newspaper articles about pornography charges for the charming law enforcement officer Bill Wilson, where are the articles regarding Gary Lacy??? just to name a couple...selective reporting I see...GOB

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  • George WashingtonSeptember 26, 2013 - 10:16 am

    @Oh Brother Swept under the carpet? Is that what you call filing charges and arresting the suspect? http://blogs.sacbee.com/crime/archives/2013/07/former-el-dorado-county-sheriffs-sergeant-booked-on-child-porn-charges.html Oh and the Mountain Democrat is selective reporting? Hmmm...then what is this? http://www.mtdemocrat.com/news/former-da-gets-dui/ The criminal case index on the El Dorado County Superior Court website shows cases against both Bill Wilson and Gary Lacy. You're a joke and have absolutely no credibility. Did you actually do any research at all before spouting off lies, or are you just going by what people tell you?

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  • Frank DrebbinSeptember 26, 2013 - 11:05 am

    Oh Brother, do you bother to do any research before spouting off your lies, or do you just say what someone else tells you to say? The Bill Wilson and Gary Lacy crimes were swept under the rug? Then do you mind telling me why a search of the El Dorado County Superior Court website shows cases for both of them? What more would you like the DA to do, outside of arresting and prosecuting these men? As far as selective reporting goes, do you know how to use the search box right here on this website? If you did, you would see the Mountain Democrat reported on both of these men. Don't believe me? Here are the links: http://goo.gl/1SJ1Vj and http://goo.gl/gxeQUM. You have zero credibility. You're either shockingly ignorant or a shill for someone else who has been in the paper a lot lately.

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  • Selective Reporting?September 26, 2013 - 11:06 am

    http://goo.gl/1SJ1Vj and http://goo.gl/gxeQUM.

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  • Oh BrotherSeptember 26, 2013 - 11:20 am

    Please all of you show me the blow by blow reports...show me the reports of the on going cases....please show me the results of those twos actions written up in any place you can direct so that I can follow/find out the results of these cases...come on show me...show me all the results of each day in court...show me their sentencing come on come on show me...do your research

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  • Oh BrotherSeptember 26, 2013 - 11:26 am

    And please show me articles in any newspaper that their pictures are repeatedly in the newspaper every week or more...nope won't find it...

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  • Oh BrotherSeptember 26, 2013 - 11:28 am

    And Frank Drebbin is a FICTIONAL police officer in a movie lmao come on LE you can't be so transparent.

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  • f drebinSeptember 26, 2013 - 11:34 am

    Frank Drebin (full title Sergeant Frank Drebin, Detective Lieutenant Police Squad) is a fictional character in the Police Squad! series and the Naked Gun movies played by Leslie Nielsen.[3] In 2008, Frank Drebin was selected by Empire Magazine as one of The 100 Greatest Movie Characters of All Time.[4] In 2000, TV Guide named Drebin to its list of the 25 greatest TV detectives, ranking him # 23.[5] He was also named by UGO.com as one of The 100 Best Heroes of All Time.[6]

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  • Frank DrebbinSeptember 26, 2013 - 11:35 am

    Oh Brother, why would their names or pictures be in the newspaper every week? They took responsibility for what they had done. They didn't find it necessary to fling accusations at the DA to cover what they had done, like a cat covering it's business in a litter box. Your boy has done this to himself. If he wanted to lay low and wait for trial, he could. But he can't help himself, so he runs his mouth. And LE, I assume means law enforcement? Please....you might need to wipe down your tin foil hat. It seems to be failing you. You're just mad everything you said was contradicted, with actual sources, not Ty Robben nutball propaganda websites. Since you're so into proof, show me proof the DA is corrupt. Show me proof that Wilson and Lacy were let off easy. Oh right, you don't have any.

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  • Frank DrebbinSeptember 26, 2013 - 11:41 am

    I'm sorry, Oh Brother. I didn't realize that Oh Brother was your real name.

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  • =_=September 26, 2013 - 11:46 am

    name recognition above franks pay grade

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  • Dr. Jethro McSwiftSeptember 26, 2013 - 12:09 pm

    Frank Drebbin is one of my best patients. Whenever I feel out of practice he allows me and my assistant, Dr. Alfred Necessiter to . . . uh . . . "fiddle".

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  • James E.September 26, 2013 - 12:16 pm

    Dr. McSwift, I've had some serious nasal congestion lately. Two aspirins and call you in the morning?

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  • Dr. Jethro McSwiftSeptember 26, 2013 - 12:20 pm

    James, I'm referring you to my colleague, Dr. Alfred Necessiter

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  • James E.September 26, 2013 - 12:22 pm

    Thank you Doctor.

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  • Oh BrotherSeptember 26, 2013 - 12:27 pm

    Frank Drebbin-I wouldn't know because the outcome of the cases are not covered in the news...really a sex case involving a law enforcement officer??? ummm the teachers case is all over the news so why not the cop??? and yep LE means law enforcement officer like the ones in sacramento that are arrested for rape and molestation...those remain in the news with up to date information...Wilson is a predator and we the public are entitled to the on going information and outcome of his case and hopefully registration on the megan website.

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  • Dr. Michael HfuhruhurrSeptember 26, 2013 - 1:46 pm

    Necessiter unavailable but Frank Drebbin in pretty good shape 'cause without specialized brain surgery he worked out LE = law enforcement

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  • Frank DrebbinSeptember 26, 2013 - 2:01 pm

    Oh Brother, thanks for completely ignoring my request for evidence that the DA is corrupt.That speaks volumes. Or are you implying that the DA controls what stories are written in the newspaper? Here's a thought, maybe there hasn't been anything in the paper because there hasn't been a trial yet. Maybe when there is a trial and a verdict, you'll get all the info you need about Wilson. Know why there was a story about Nutting on Friday? Because something actually happened in his case. His 995 motion was denied. That's news. And like it or not, a holder of public office allegedly forging documents, voting on issues where he had a financial interest, etc., is bigger news because it involves taxpayer money. Don't get me wrong, if Wilson is guilty, I hope he never sees the light of day again. ANY crime involving children is disgusting and reprehensible. But the bigger news is an elected official allegedly working the system to take tax payer money. That's life. As far as me being law enforcement, I guess in your eyes anyone who supports law enforcement must be law enforcement. By that logic, anyone who supports corrupt politicians must be a corrupt politician. So what office do you hold, Brother?

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  • Frank DrebbinSeptember 26, 2013 - 2:05 pm

    @Dr. Michael Hfuhruhurr And I worked it out with only 1 brain, as opposed to your 2 brains. Ready the bone wax. Metzenbaum scissors.

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  • Oh BrotherSeptember 26, 2013 - 2:29 pm

    Yep anyone from the district attorney office is indeed part of law enforcement.

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  • Dr. Michael HfuhruhurrSeptember 26, 2013 - 4:19 pm

    touché

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  • Frank DrebbinSeptember 26, 2013 - 5:38 pm

    @Oh Brother If I'm with the DA's office, I guess you're connected to Ray? Personal assistant? Campaign manager? Do you see how ridiculous it is to make those kinds of assumptions? But please, continue on in your little world where anyone who disagrees with you is part of a vast government conspiracy. Just because you're paranoid, don't mean they're not after you. I'd watch your speed when driving around E.D. county. ;-) Officer Nordberg will be on the lookout for you O.B.

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  • SparkySeptember 26, 2013 - 6:26 pm

    Still looking for the definition of a GOB. Examples abound for those who have issues with certain people. Is it multi-generational family connections? Large landowners? Or is it simple those who are perceived to always get their way? GOB gets thrown about quite a bit by those who view the outcomes differently. Looking for criteria, not just rhetoric. Line in the water.

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  • Phil VeerkampSeptember 26, 2013 - 6:46 pm

    Good luck nullifying the GOB paradigm, Sparky. You're just not going to be able to clean up the networking that is fundamental to Rotary, Lions, E Clampus Vitus, Freemasonry, Moose International, Woodmen of the World, Knights of Pythias, International Order of Twelve Knights and Daughters of Tabor of the Illuminati. Birds of a feather in the water.

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  • 1036-FrankSeptember 26, 2013 - 6:48 pm

    A growing list is being made of those who weren't aware times changed, people are now awake, and a new DA is in town. Starting with; "Don Juan" Atkinson, "Dirty Dave" Machado, Officer Johnny Poland, Little Billy Wilson, Former DA Gob King, Gary Lacy, and the list will go on as convictions and sentences are handed down. This has made up for some long years of corruption. Most of these arrested never saw it coming and thought it was still "business as usual." This county/city clean up has been long neglected and many of these Gob's should be looking over their shoulders still. As the famous lawman, Wyatt Earp, said, "The fight has commenced" and " I might see you once too often." Every local dirty politician and public employee and wanna-be politician is on notice. The next step is the on-going prosecution of a corrupt leader of a gang of stooges, their actions were seen and noted once too often.

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  • Oh BrotherSeptember 26, 2013 - 7:48 pm

    Drebbin-your threats are so intimidating. lmao..

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  • Fran DuchampSeptember 26, 2013 - 8:52 pm

    Sparky: Good old boys...reference from british "males only" elite private schools--modern reference...graduated elite boys-old boys. The preservation of the social elite old boys...The familiar term 'It's not what you know, it's who you know' is associated with this tradition. The term is both positive and negative.

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  • James E.September 26, 2013 - 9:18 pm

    What is a GOB? Think a made man (Mafia).

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  • Frank DrebbinSeptember 27, 2013 - 8:17 am

    Oh Brother Why am I not shocked the joke went right over your head?

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  • Oh BrotherSeptember 27, 2013 - 7:04 pm

    @ Frank Drebbin- "but your honor I was only kidding"...one of the most common defenses a judge will hear...a threat is a threat is a threat...LE should know that..

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  • Walking TallSeptember 28, 2013 - 7:19 am

    Fran, A little helpful hit for you there is a Civil and a Criminal grand jury the civil one was desbanded not the criminal one who indited Ray Ray... As far as Ray is concerned he knows he caught and he will pay just like the fine he just paid for the illegal "out of control; "Control Burn" on da ranch to the tune of $10,000.00. Ray Ray will plead out and go away he is just going to loose "Da Ranch" to his attorney and all those who benefited in his illegal activity will be next. Ray is like a new bride, he knows he is going to get it he just doesn't know how much or when.

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  • Fran DuchampSeptember 28, 2013 - 7:47 am

    thank you walking tall...I was aware of that...I am also aware that any grand Jury indictment does not prove that someone is guilty. It is allowing the person knowledge of what they are going to face. One is also not allowed a lawyer in the room--so talking for any one...seems...well I wouldnt. It is reinforcing the idea to please listen--do not talk. Ray is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Again Thank-you for your help. "Innocent Until Proven Guilty One of the hallmarks of the American legal system is the presumption that you are innocent until proven guilty. This isn't just an ideal, it's an actual legal presumption, which means the judge and jury must assume you're innocent until they are shown otherwise. This is why a defendant can "plead the fifth", remain silent, and not offer a shred of evidence to support his or her claim of innocence and still prevail. It is the prosecutor's job to prove a defendant is guilty, not a defendant's job to prove that he or she is innocent. - See more at: http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-law-basics/defending-yourself-against-a-criminal-charge.html#sthash.7riTu07z.dpuf

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  • Frank DrebbinSeptember 28, 2013 - 9:05 pm

    @Oh Brother. Just when I thought you couldn't possibly get any dumber, you go and say something like that. I'm not law enforcement. I don't even know anyone in law enforcement. It's funny how when a persons arguments are too weak to back up, they fall back on "you must be law enforcement if you disagree". Kind of like demoncrats calling everyone who disagrees with Obama a racist. Heaven forbid anyone believe a civilian might support the police and district attorney. Are you a dumbass in real life or do you just play one in the comments section of the local rag?

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  • James E.September 28, 2013 - 9:28 pm

    Democrats call everyone who disagrees with President Obama a racist. Not so. Phil disagrees with President Obama and Phil is not a racist.

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  • Frank DrebbinSeptember 28, 2013 - 10:09 pm

    @James Proves my point. I am not law enforcement. So I guess Phil and I are the exceptions...right?

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  • James E.September 28, 2013 - 10:11 pm

    Frank, no, there are many exceptions.

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  • Frank DrebbinSeptember 28, 2013 - 10:12 pm

    @James Rather, you would be the exception to all the empty heads crying racism. Oh Brother would be the empty head crying law enforcement.

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  • Oh BrotherSeptember 29, 2013 - 4:00 pm

    @ Drebbin - LE = Little Education...what foul language and put downs from you...lets change that to LMS = Little Man Syndrome.

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  • Frank DrebbinSeptember 29, 2013 - 5:02 pm

    @Oh Brother Your lack of intellect is not my fault. I blame the public education system. Try again Brother, maybe something will hit the mark...eventually.

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  • Oh BrotherSeptember 29, 2013 - 5:09 pm

    Drebbin please hold your breath while waiting for that.

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  • Frank DrebbinSeptember 30, 2013 - 12:10 pm

    @Oh Brother You mean just like everyone else who asks you a legitimate question and waits for the answer that never comes because you can't back up your ignorant point of view? Thanks for validating my opinion! You have yourself a great day in La La Land!

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  • Oh BrotherSeptember 30, 2013 - 12:21 pm

    Why thank you Mr. Drebbin, I will.

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  • Martha s. mARTINOctober 01, 2013 - 6:17 pm

    Oh my gosh! He just called me! (10.1.13 aat 5:22 pm.) I had written a letter to the BOS that Sue Taylor read for me on 9.30.13. As Ray is an acquaintance of mine I guess he thought he should gloat over his vote. He voted yes on the recent regionalization concept which will make our county look like a piece of some some Communist county. WHY DON'T THEY VOTE THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE?

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  • Nay RuttingOctober 03, 2013 - 11:23 am

    Martha- Say what now?

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By Democrat Staff | From Page: B7

 
Museum presents ‘Diesel Days’

By California State Railroad Museum | From Page: B7

Engagement: Adam Frega and Wednesday Bienusa

By Democrat Staff | From Page: B8

 
Duty: Air Force Airman Brian Polk

By Democrat Staff | From Page: B8

Cal Stage presents a season of challenging productions

By California Stage | From Page: B8

 
Duty: Army Pfc. Kyle W. Beasy

By Democrat Staff | From Page: B8

KVIE calls for artists

By Kvie | From Page: B9

 
A Couple of Blaguards tell tales

By Harris Center for the Arts | From Page: B9

America’s ClayFest II celebrates a rich history

By Blue Line Arts | From Page: B14

 
Fine Arts Museums feature two shows

By Fine Arts | From Page: B15

See wildflowers on train ride

By Railtown | From Page: B15

 
Easter at Northstar is family friendly

By Northstar California | From Page: B15

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Essentials

Crime Log: March 28-30

By Cole Mayer | From Page: A2

 
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Obituaries

Arthur W. Cornell

By Contributor | From Page: A2

 
Frank “Bud” Kraus Jr.

By Contributor | From Page: A2

Roy Cluness Chaix

By Contributor | From Page: A2

 
Frederick Wilbur Heymann

By Contributor | From Page: A2

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Real Estate

Faster sales with spring staging

By Ken Calhoon | From Page: HS4

 
Coldwell Banker outsells the competition

Press Release | From Page: HS7

Handsome Redmond suits modern families

Press Release | From Page: HS11

 
Growing your own

By Marni Jameson | From Page: HS14

 
Fraud workshop scheduled

Press Release | From Page: HS21

HCD launches assistance program

Press Release | From Page: HS22, 1 Comment

 
EZ Mortgages Inc. opens Placerville office

By News Release | From Page: HS22, 2 Comments

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Comics

Speed Bump

By Contributor | From Page: A13

 
Working It Out

By Contributor | From Page: A13

Shoe

By Contributor | From Page: A13

 
Rubes

By Contributor | From Page: A13

Tundra

By Contributor | From Page: A13

 
TV Listings

By Contributor | From Page: A13

Sudoku

By Contributor | From Page: A13

 
New York Times Crossword

By Contributor | From Page: A14

Horoscope, Sunday, April 20, 2014

By Contributor | From Page: A14

 
Horoscope, Saturday, April 19, 2014

By Contributor | From Page: A14

Horoscope, Friday, April 18, 2104

By Contributor | From Page: A14

 
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Home Source

Faster sales with spring staging

By Ken Calhoon | From Page: HS4

Coldwell Banker outsells the competition

Press Release | From Page: HS7

Handsome Redmond suits modern families

Press Release | From Page: HS11

Growing your own

By Marni Jameson | From Page: HS14

Fraud workshop scheduled

Press Release | From Page: HS21

HCD launches assistance program

Press Release | From Page: HS22, 1 Comment

EZ Mortgages Inc. opens Placerville office

By News Release | From Page: HS22, 2 Comments