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Nutting Grand Jury transcript unsealed: Nutting takes the 5th

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Filing a false document, perjury by declaration, another filing of a false document and failure to recuse oneself from voting in a potential conflict of interest. These were the four counts handed down in a Grand Jury indictment to El Dorado County District Supervisor Ray Nutting on May 24 after a two-day hearing. The transcript of the hearing, dealing mostly with fire grants from the early 2000s and in 2009, was recently unsealed.

The witness list started with Jeffery Calvert, a Cal Fire stewardship forester who administers the California Forest Improvement Program, or CFIP, which uses Proposition 40 funds. He testified that the “zero” under cost of work done by the landowner was fairly typical.

“And as you look at it now and seeing that it’s the same signature as the landowner on the Prop 40 invoice as is on the Nutting Brush Clearing invoice, does the fact that there’s zero listed for my own labor cause you any concerns when the invoice is done by the same person?” asked deputy district attorney James Clinchard, who was joined by Peter Williams of the California Attorney General’s Office.

“Not really,” Calvert replied. “It’s not uncommon for landowners to also have a business and they employ their own company to do the work. So they may have employee costs, fuel costs, that sort of thing. It’s not — it’s rare, but it is not uncommon to have that done.

Later, however, Registered Professional Forester Mark Stewart said the zero was a mistake.

“And it should not have been a zero and I think that was (a) mistake where I had printed out — I had deleted the acres, date completed and actual costs from my first invoice, printed it out and then hand wrote the numbers in there when we prepared the second invoice. I didn’t catch that the zero was for my own labor on there.”

Nutting also told DA Investigator John Gaines that it was a mistake, that it “shouldn’t have been there,” Gaines testified. “It was a mistake. That he was only following the orders of his forester. He even said he had records that the forester didn’t want them.” However, Nutting also told Gaines that when they prepared the document, they didn’t believe anything in the field instead of zero was necessary — a change from it being a mistake or inadvertent.

The company that did the work, Nutting Brush Clearing Co., didn’t exist, Gaines said. “There was never a Nutting Brush Clearing. He said that several times in multiple interviews, there never has been a Nutting Brush Clearing Co. It was a description of a project, not an invoice, so to speak.” The forester had told Nutting to put that name down, Nutting had said.

As for the Form 700s, Nutting told Gaines that leaving out the income was a simple oversight. He told this to Gaines 12 times, he recalled.

James K. Mitrisin, a clerk for the Board of Supervisors, testified that Nutting made certain votes. The votes concerned giving money to the El Dorado Resource Conservation District and the Georgetown Resource Conservation District, about $80,400 each, on June 30, 2010.

“Did Mr. Nutting vote on that one?”

“Yes, he did,” Mitrisin replied.

In 2011, a total of about $149,000 was to go to the two RCDs. “And do you show what Ray Nutting’s marked vote on that was,” Clinchard asked.

“This was voted on the consent calendar and it was marked yes,” the clerk said. The same would happen for about $2,000 less the next year. Nutting, Mitrisin testified, made other votes concerning the RCDs, including on whom to appoint to various RCDs.

The money that is given to the RCDs is used as money for Prop 40 — including money Nutting received, according to multiple testimonies in the transcript.

Another point of contention with the District Attorney’s Office is that the documents Nutting filed showed he completed all of the work on his property on time, qualifying for the Prop 40 money, but did work later, the DA contends.

Nutting had to file paperwork with the county Department of Agriculture to spray herbicides on his property. He was required to finish work on the property by April 15, 2009, to receive money for that year.

But, said Leanne Mila of the Agriculture Department, he sprayed later.

“And what were the dates that that was indicated the pesticide was used?”

“May 26, May 27 and May 28 of 2009,” she said. The document showing the dates was stamped on May 29 by the Ag Department.

Stewart, when he signed off on the Prop 40 forms, was unaware of the pesticide spraying, he said. He had marked the work completed on April 15, the final day Nutting had to complete the work. He was also unsure why Nutting would sign the work as done when he still had pesticide to spray. He was also unaware that Cal Fire’s Chris Anthony had seen between 30 and 50 burn piles in early May that were supposed to have been burned in April.

Lynda Cassidy of the California Fair Political Practices Board, a watchdog group, noted under questioning that Nutting’s Form 700, which shows income, lacked $20,000 in income that he would later amend. Rental income of $10,000 in 2000 was also left out of a Form 700, also later amended earlier this year.

In looking at money Nutting did receive from Prop 40 grants, DA Investigator Marilyn Meixner testified that about 20 percent of the county’s Prop 40 money went to Nutting or the Happy Valley Trust, of which Nutting is a trustee, between 2009 and 2012.

Cal Fire Forester Patrick McDaniel gives the final sign-off in the field on Cal Fire’s end. He was unsure of when he went to check Nutting’s property, but signed off on May 28 of 2009.

Williams asked why, if the contract ends in April, it isn’t also his responsibility, as the last check for Cal Fire, to make sure the work is completed on time. “I don’t know,” answered McDaniel. Clinchard followed up by asking if anyone other than the RPF that Nutting had hired, Stewart, ensures that the project is done on time. “I don’t know,” was again the reply.

McDaniel said he keeps a spreadsheet of the dates the contracts expire, but his explanation for not determining when the work was actually done was “I don’t recall. But I would have been in contact with the (RFP) about the expiration date.”

The matter of the herbicides was pressed. “Why would you sign this document giving Ray Nutting $22,000 if the pesticides had been applied on the 26th, 27th and 28th, outside the contract time period where he was not allowed to get money,” Williams asked. “Why would you sign off and allow — and give him money?”

“I’m not aware of that,” McDaniel said. “I’m not — I did not see this form.” He had no knowledge of the form, he reiterated, and he could not recall if he had seen signs of spraying. He had the forester with him, he said, who made no mention of recent spraying, which could be hazardous to their health, walking around Nutting’s property. “I rely on the (RPF) to do his job properly,” he said, and that determining if the documents submitted to him are true are not are “outside the scope of my responsibilities.” He added, “If I knew it was false, I wouldn’t sign off on it.”

When asked again, he said the same thing. “My question,” Williams asked, “is do you know how you would sign off and approve an invoice, said it was completed within the time period when it appears the slash disposal had not yet been completed until after the contract expired?”

McDaniel replied, “I relied on the consulting (RPF) to provide me with an accurate invoice.” He repeated the sentiment several more times over the course of his testimony, saying he relied on the landowner and RPF to provide accurate documents and that he would not pay out the money if he knew they were not accurate.

The penultimate witness, before Gaines, was Nutting himself. However, after some initial confusion over whether his attorney, David Weiner, could be present, Nutting decided to take the Fifth — his constitutional right to not self-incriminate — and left the stand.

At 5:30 p.m. on the second day of proceedings, the Grand Jury returned the indictment of four counts.

Nutting sent a letter to the Board of Supervisors, dated June 21, and said the following in regards to his charges: “I will be vindicated of the malicious charges that have been made against me. I want to resume fulfilling all of the duties I was elected to perform. However, I want to ensure that the charges do not affect the county’s ability to obtain or use state and federal funds.”

He wrote that he had recused himself on any matter related to state or federal funding.

“I have been told that failure to adhere to this recusal could put at risk the funding of programs and projects receiving monies from any federal source. I believe that asking an elected official to recuse himself from representing his constituents on items he was duly elected to vote on, before he has had his right to a trial violates many important constitutional principles, including the principle that a man is innocent until proven guilty; however, I do not want to take any risk of putting the county’s federal money at risk, so I will continue to voluntarily recuse myself from items involving funding.”

He goes on to write that “I fully intend to be acquitted in a court of law as quickly as possible and then return to perform all of the duties for which I was elected.”

Nutting’s case is awaiting reassignment by El Dorado County Superior Court Presiding Judge Suzanne Kingsbury.

Click on the links below to view the Grand Jury transcript from the two-day Ray Nutting hearing.

Ray Nutting Grand Jury transcript part 1
Ray Nutting Grand Jury transcript part 2
Ray Nutting Grand Jury transcript part 3
Ray Nutting Grand Jury transcript part 4

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Discussion | 82 comments

  • Phil VeerkampJuly 04, 2013 - 2:32 pm

    Aaaah . . . 4th of July fireworks!!!

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  • you have got to be kiddingJuly 04, 2013 - 3:02 pm

    Between 2009 and 2012 20% of El Dorado County's Prop 40 money went to Nutting or his family's property??? 20%??? There is so much wrong with that.

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  • Racket RayJuly 04, 2013 - 10:52 pm

    Huh. Guess he was telling the truth about being related to Richard Nixon after all.

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  • Curtis T.July 05, 2013 - 5:00 am

    I feel the County should look at the San Stino project and Ray Nutting, I am sure there is something going on there as well

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  • Justice InsiderJuly 05, 2013 - 6:49 am

    Lets Review, "Nutting Brush Clearing Co." No business license? Work exceeds $500, but no contractors license? Gee wonder if he does unlicensed work for others? Forms filled out incorrectly, just a mistake? If his RFP told him to jump off a bridge would he? Income not reported, maybe just another oversight? How many years has Ray been in politics, enough to know by now? Happy Valley sounds like a very happy place. And the investigation continues.

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  • reallyJuly 05, 2013 - 10:47 am

    It appears that the Supervisor's position is he's innocent until PROVEN guilty. That's why his supporter's continue to Kenneth Star any other official who's responsible for the oversight of his case. The Supervisor is making the same mistake, using the same attorney that represented convicted Supervisor Visman 25 years ago. Visman was sentenced to 2 1/2 years in federal prison because he chose to fight instead of plea bargain. Visman's attorney ended up the big winner by getting his ranch. Win lose or draw the attorney will end up owning another ranch real soon.

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  • Paul ChritudinousJuly 06, 2013 - 1:21 pm

    @ really: You make some very valid points. As in any other "purchase", whether selecting legal representation or a course of strategy--Caveat Emptor. Ray is somewhat smart. D.W. is very smart. Nonetheless, don't let the shiny objects dangled in front of you distract you from the common knowledge that EDC is corrupt beyond your wildest imaginings. Little fish Ray is being destroyed in a political pay-back via great-white sharks Burn Pierson and Joe Harm. I hope D.W. drags out some scary skeletons, since he no doubt knows where they're buried. He's been around a long time.

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  • 1036-FrankJuly 05, 2013 - 10:49 am

    Wow, this vast conspiracy of Harn and Vern has really expanded. There are now a lot of new names that are part of this and must of been briefed and coached what to say, must of taken months, and where are his sewer-rat campaign consultants now? Where are their dim bulb denials? the Joe did it, the Vern did it? The conspiracy was so good and all worked so hard to frame him they even made up a fake company with his name on it and forged his signature all over the place. He had to take the 5th because he is the only one telling the truth and he hopes his grand performance of silence will help more of the duped send in more money for his attorney's needs and wants after all this conspiracy is so vast that tens of thousands of dollars are needed to find out all of the people involved who did this because the one who really did it took the fifth.

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  • reallyJuly 06, 2013 - 1:48 pm

    At the very least. The Tea Party Conservative poster child is a hypocrite.

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  • James E.July 06, 2013 - 1:56 pm

    Not up on county politics, so not sure who is the Tea Party Conservative poster child? Is it Mr. Nutting?

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  • Poster childrenJuly 06, 2013 - 4:49 pm

    It's Nutting. Sitting on D'Agostini's lap.

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  • Paul ChritudinousJuly 06, 2013 - 2:29 pm

    Objection, Colonel--leading question (and downright disingenuous). "Not up on county poliltics"?? Surely nobody spends more time reading and posting comments on the MD than you. Still spraying the napalm around in hopes of destroying "the enemy", eh? True Tea Party Conservatives hold no office, elected or otherwise in this rat's nest of a county. There are some nationally and much to your chagrin, many more are coming thanks to your dear leader Obowmao. Happy Independence Day.

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  • James E.July 06, 2013 - 3:01 pm

    Paul, if I may call you Paul. Not being disingenuous at all, beyond being against the roundabout and occasionally commenting 'follow the money,' I'm really not up on the in and out of county politics. If I were, I'd know who the specific local Tea Party Conservatives are in EDC. But, you do appear to be a Tea Party member -- a group that will soon be dead when your 2016 ticket (Rand Paul/Ted Cruz) is defeated by Hillary. The Whig Party of the early 21st Century. Simply irrelevant.

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  • Paul ChritudinousJuly 06, 2013 - 3:51 pm

    Colonel, If the she-devil wins in 2016, the country as we knew it may indeed be "dead", providing there is anything left of our freedom to kill after Obowmao. She's done such a brilliant job as Sec. State, heck she deserves the oval office. Maybe then Slick can take his turn under the desk, but she'd probably prefer Valerie Jarret. Unlike your dear leader(s), Conservatives embrace the Constitution as the ultimate law of the land. Irrelevant? Evidently so in your mind, Colonel...pity. End runs around it via executive orders, czars, unsustainable spending and crippling regulations apparently "send a thrill up your leg", like so many democrats. There is a precise term for what our country is currently experiencing: Tyranny. Perhaps you should re-read the Declaration of Independence in honor of the holiday weekend, and to realize how far afoul of our founding principles we've strayed.

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  • R SmithJuly 06, 2013 - 3:53 pm

    A Mountain Democrat story (March 3rd, 2013 Grand Jury Disbanded) the Grand jury was disbanded Feb.22nd, 2013 because it dropped below 12 members. A DM story (May.1st, 2013 Grand Jury Applications Sought) May 17th last day to apply, selection made late June, sworn in July 1st, 2013 for the 2013-2014 term. A MD story (July 5th, 2013 Nutting Grand Jury Transcripts Unsealed). The Nutting Grand Jury hearing and transcript is dated May 23rd and 24th, 2013. How is it, with the Grand Jury disbanded Feb. 22, 2013 and a new Grand Jury not to be sworn in until July, 1st, 2013 we could have a Grand Jury holding a hearing and producing an indictment on May 23rd and 24th, 2013? I suspect people are going to want to know.

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  • JimmyJuly 06, 2013 - 4:18 pm

    R. Smith - a criminal grand jury is a different body than the civil grand jury which disbanded earlier this year. Criminal grand juries are empaneled from the general jury venire - in other words, the same as trial jurors - as needed by the District Attorney's office. The civil grand jury is made up of volunteer applicants. Each has different powers and duties.

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  • James E.July 06, 2013 - 4:19 pm

    Paul, you couldn't get more slurs in your comment if you tried, to include Chris Matthew's thrill up his leg. At your suggestion I started to read the Declaration of Independence, but couldn't get past the beginning because of a false premise: "All men are created equal." Well, except for African Americans, American Indians, Women, and those who are not land owners. Now, if they had been honest by saying "Some elite white men land owners are created equal," we wouldn't have to question their principles. And, isn't that what the Tea Party wants? To return to the principles of the founding fathers, all being equal except for African Americans, American Indians, Women, and those not owning land. Oh, and of course, Asians, Gays, and Latinos. You should be proud. The Party of the False Premise.

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  • Dee#1July 07, 2013 - 7:05 pm

    James-What a bunch of asinine diatribe!

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  • James E.July 06, 2013 - 4:22 pm

    Ok, heading out into the real world. Be back later.

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  • MorrisJuly 06, 2013 - 4:57 pm

    And the Win by knockout on the third round goes to: JAMES 'The Eliminator' E!!

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 06, 2013 - 6:07 pm

    Colonel, shame on you for defining the gap between reality and aspiration as "a false premise". Is that how you led your men, Colonel? Did you assess the reality of your men and ask no more? Shame on you! James, find one . . . even ONE SINGLE Tea Party member who defines a return in the manner and in the terms which you falsely assign. Do you really believe that in our dash to modernity we have not left some values in our dust? Morris, your judgment suffers a crash and burn.

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  • James E.July 06, 2013 - 6:23 pm

    Phil, calm down, why do you get so excited when I express my opinion? I don't go bat sh#t when you express yours. And, I led my men, in combat and peacetime, quite nicely without reference to the Party of NO and the False Premise. Shame on me, really? Did I hit a Tea Party nerve with the revelation of the all men are created equal false premise? If so, time for some reality Tea Party.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 06, 2013 - 7:45 pm

    James, I'll toss in this speculative observation into the mix. Were Fredrick Douglass to drop in for a visit today and give proper consideration to Dr. Ben Carson and President Obama I posit that Mr. Douglass would more likely associate himself with the good Dr. You, Garon and the media mill would assign Fredrick Douglass to obscurity as is now happening to the good Dr. Carson.

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  • James E.July 06, 2013 - 6:37 pm

    ADDED: And, Phil, tell me 100 local Tea Party members, full names please, who believe that the founding fathers intended to include African Americans, American Indians, Women, Non-land owners, Asians, Latinos, and Gays. And, if so, why didn't they? Perhaps they didn't want to clutter up with excessive verbiage, so they just went white man land owner.

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  • James E.July 06, 2013 - 6:59 pm

    Phil, I really wish someone else would respond to my heresy. Respect for you, don't you know.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 06, 2013 - 7:15 pm

    James, I don't know even one Tea Party member. I do not associate with them. But I WILL associate myself with the beliefs of Fredrick Douglass. Douglass refines his ideology In 1851, Douglass merged the North Star with Gerrit Smith's Liberty Party Paper to form Frederick Douglass' Paper, which was published until 1860. Douglass came to agree with Smith and Lysander Spooner that the United States Constitution was an anti-slavery document. This reversed his earlier agreement with William Lloyd Garrison that it was pro-slavery. Garrison had publicly expressed his opinion by burning copies of the document. Further contributing to their growing separation, Garrison was worried that the North Star competed with his own National Anti-Slavery Standard and Marius Robinson's Anti-Slavery Bugle. Douglass' change of position on the Constitution was one of the most notable incidents of the division in the abolitionist movement after the publication of Spooner's book The Unconstitutionality of Slavery in 1846. This shift in opinion, and other political differences, created a rift between Douglass and Garrison. Douglass further angered Garrison by saying that the Constitution could and should be used as an instrument in the fight against slavery. On July 5, 1852, Douglass delivered an address to the Ladies of the Rochester Anti-Slavery Sewing Society, which eventually became known as "What to the slave is the 4th of July?" It was a blistering attack on the hypocrisy of the United States in general and the Christian church in particular. Douglass believed that education was the key for African Americans to improve their lives. For this reason, he was an early advocate for desegregation of schools. In the 1850s, he was especially outspoken in New York. The facilities and instruction for African-American children were vastly inferior. Douglass criticized the situation and called for court action to open all schools to all children. He stated that inclusion within the educational system was a more pressing need for African Americans than political issues such as suffrage. Douglass was acquainted with the radical abolitionist John Brown, but disapproved of Brown's plan to start an armed slave rebellion in the South. Brown visited Douglass' home two months before he led the raid on the federal armory in Harpers Ferry. After the raid, Douglass fled for a time to Canada, fearing guilt by association and arrest as a co-conspirator. Douglass believed that the attack on federal property would enrage the American public. Douglass later shared a stage at a speaking engagement in Harpers Ferry with Andrew Hunter, the prosecutor who successfully convicted Brown. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Douglass

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 07, 2013 - 7:40 am

    Good morning Colonel James, here is a very interesting "listen" that coincidentally popped up last night. LINK - Guest - Tony Horwitz, author, Midnight Rising - John Brown and the Raid That Sparked the Civil War by Tony Horwitz The interaction between Fredrick Douglass and John Brown is explored. . . . about 21 minutes . . . audio player link is at lower left.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 06, 2013 - 7:31 pm

    James, by your logic THE TEN COMMANDMENTS are a false premise. Leadership is stasis. Quarterbacks throw AT the receiver. Duck hunters aim AT the duck. And Tea Partyers jettison progress while reclaiming lost values. You know better, James. . . . at least I think you know better.

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  • James E.July 06, 2013 - 8:42 pm

    Phil, I wonder if Mr. Douglass would be -- well, too late for conjecture. I learned the Ten commandments as a little boy -- I always thought it was and is a wonderful golden rule to live by and not a false premise. Actually, sometimes the quarterback should directly throw at the receiver, and duck hunters should directly aim at the duck if the duck is standing on the green. Gunnery directs, in football, hunting, or in combat that you lead a moving target -- but, if target is fixed aim right at it. And, as a former Professor of Psychology and Leadership at West Point, sometimes leadership can be fixed or flexible depending on the situation. Tea Partyers? In MY opinion, they are fixed and not in any way flexible, and that's why they will soon die off. I think we are finished.

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  • James E.July 06, 2013 - 8:45 pm

    And, this all started when I wondered if Mr. Nutting was the Tea Party Conservative Poster Child?

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  • Walking TallJuly 07, 2013 - 7:36 am

    One thing for sure the real truth will be told and all the Ray supporters will see just how many lies he has told, the true depth of his criminal activity and the amount (6 million + $$) he is behind stealing. The past 15 years of his political activity have been for one purpose and that is to steal; trust, faith, loyality, friendship, money were all stolen from us the citizens of this county. Now is the time to stop the bellding Ray and set down and leave us all alone, you are done in our eyes.

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  • List 100 full namesJuly 07, 2013 - 8:36 am

    We should remember that the Republican Party was created in response to a crisis arising from the fact that American public opinion on the issue of slavery had drifted away from the principles of the Founding. While the Founders had tolerated slavery out of necessity, many Americans, especially within the Democratic Party, had come to accept the idea that slavery was a "positive good." While Thomas Jefferson, the founder of what evolved into the Democratic Party, had argued that slavery was bad not only for the slave but also for the slave owner, John C. Calhoun, had turned this principle on its head: slavery was good not only for the slave holder, but also for the slave. Calhoun’s fundamental enterprise was to defend the institution of slavery. To do so, he first had to overturn the principles of the American Founding. He started with the Declaration of Independence, arguing that "[the proposition ’all men are created equal’] as now understood, has become the most false and dangerous of all political errors….We now begin to experience the danger of admitting so great an error to have a place in the declaration of independence." Thus Calhoun transformed the Democratic Party of Jefferson into the Party of Slavery. The most liberal position among ante-bellum Democrats regarding slavery was that slavery was an issue that should be decided by popular vote. For example, Stephen Douglas, Lincoln’s opponent in the 1858 Illinois senate race and the 1860 presidential campaign, advocated "popular sovereignty." He defended the right of the people in the territories to outlaw slavery, but also defended the right of Southerners to own slaves and transport them to the new territories. The Democratic Party’s war against African-Americans continued after the Civil War (which many Democrats in fact opposed, often working actively to undercut the Union war effort). Democrats, both north and south fought the attempt to implement the equality for African-Americans gained at such a high cost. This opposition was often violent. Indeed, the Ku Klux Klan operated as the de facto terrorist arm of the national Democratic Party during Reconstruction. Democrats defeated Reconstruction in the end and on its ruins created Jim Crow. Democratic liberalism did not extend to issue of race. Woodrow Wilson was the quintessential "liberal racist," a species of Democrat that later included the likes of William Fulbright of Arkansas, Sam Ervin of North Carolina, and Albert Gore, father of Al, of Tennessee. In the 1920s, the Republican Party platform routinely called for anti-lynching legislation. The Democrats rejected such calls in their own platforms. When FDR forged the New Deal, he was able to pry Blacks away from their traditional attachment to the Party of Lincoln. But they remained in their dependent status, Democrats by virtue of political expediency, not principle.

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  • Melody LaneJuly 07, 2013 - 11:05 am

    I think it's about time someone starts a reality TV show about what's happening in EDC. No screenwriter could make this stuff up!!!

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  • FranJuly 07, 2013 - 11:16 am

    My friends from LA--keep up with the comments on here--one friend feels its like the show...once upon a time...another said we were better than soaps...lolol..whatever it takes--maybe someone watching will help fix it all...

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  • James E.July 07, 2013 - 11:34 am

    Fran, so people from LA and other locations (perhaps U.S. wide) are reading our comments? We may become famous.

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  • James E.July 07, 2013 - 11:45 am

    Or, maybe infamous.

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  • FranJuly 07, 2013 - 12:48 pm

    James...that is correct...my friends watch me--to try and keep me out of trouble...started way back when the 'big wigs" started calling my house about the library comments I was making....but you never know--some of my friends are very creative--El dorado may just get a series out of this. They watch now--because they have become addicted...they also watch my Facebook posts--one is actually a director of a news station back east. lololol...but it is to basically watch my back. Cant blame them--many times I drink coffee and just watch the blogging--I loved when it was just you and Phil ruling the wall...you guys made me smile several times.

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  • James E.July 07, 2013 - 1:42 pm

    Mr. or Ms. List 100 full names, I should know by now, on this site, that it's always the fault of the Democrats. Thanks for again reminding me.

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  • James E.July 07, 2013 - 1:43 pm

    OK, be back later.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 07, 2013 - 9:35 pm

    BREAKING NEWS: Hillary Clinton will not be running in 2016 due to a brain tumor found during a recent colonoscopy.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 07, 2013 - 9:38 pm

    I must confess. I stole that line from a recent email. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha . . . cough . . . choke . . . ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha . . . gasp . . . dammit!

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  • James E.July 07, 2013 - 9:17 pm

    Dee#1, I'm sorry my asinine diatribe disturbed you. It was intended to disturb you and it worked.

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  • Dee#1July 08, 2013 - 1:00 pm

    James, it doesn't disturb me. I just wanted to remind you how utterly ridiculous your taking points are, simply drivel.

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  • James E.July 07, 2013 - 9:43 pm

    Phil, Phil, Phil.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 07, 2013 - 9:45 pm

    I see you smiling, James.

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  • James E.July 07, 2013 - 9:45 pm

    Phil, just take a moment to catch your breath.

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  • James E.July 07, 2013 - 9:47 pm

    Anyone out there know which is the best thing to install for new roofing. Metal? Slate? I want something that will last 50 years.

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  • James E.July 07, 2013 - 9:49 pm

    Phil, a little smile while I considered how they could find a brain tumor from that point of entry.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 07, 2013 - 9:52 pm

    Port of entry?

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 07, 2013 - 10:06 pm

    Really, James! You want something that will last 50 years? Really? I accept that you like ṏbama and everything ṏbama, but no way will ṏbamacare give you 50. . . . and if by some creepy manner it does give you another 50 who would want to be around. . . . considering how crabby you are now at your ripe old age of . . . 75?

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  • James E.July 07, 2013 - 10:09 pm

    Phil, 76 in a couple of weeks. I want the 50 year roof for my son who will inherit our house. Or, maybe I will live to 125 and get to enjoy the roof.

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  • James E.July 07, 2013 - 10:11 pm

    Phil, if you don't know the point of entry to which I refer you obviously haven't had the fun of the TV rectal experience.

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  • James E.July 07, 2013 - 10:13 pm

    Phil, when I turn 85 I'm going to stop talking and just growl. No more chit chat from me, just old guy sounds.

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  • James E.July 07, 2013 - 10:20 pm

    OK, I'm heading out to Netflix to watch a British TV Detective Show. They are really quite well done. Good acting, good story lines. Phil, good things in your life I sincerely hope. Later.

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  • MorrisJuly 08, 2013 - 2:12 pm

    @Janes E: I went with a metal roof and have been mostly pleased with it. Positives are the obvious fire safety and sound that comes thru during a good rainshower. The negative is keeping it clean. Probably would pick a darker color if doing it over but then that too has an energy impact with heat retention. My house has what has been called a 'complicated' roof line and to clean it thoroughly, one has to actually monkey up the thing three stories above terra firma and hold on for dear life or be launched off at a 30 degree fun filled slide of terror. I literally have to tape anti-slide lining from the toolbox to my feet and behind. Yeah, nice huh. And just when you feel secure, there is a wasps nests lurking and just waiting to send you and pressure washer gun into combat. Next time I'm going slate. Or underground. On that note, back to the roof.,.

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  • Paul ChritudinousJuly 08, 2013 - 6:52 pm

    Morris, A bit of advice before commenting, or venturing onto your metal roof; lay off the catnip. Ever hear of fall protection? Logical alternative to sticky tape on your butt. @ James E: Slurs? The "thrill" comment came out of Chris Matthew's own perverted mouth. Slick and Shrillary's history speaks for itself. No slurs, just honest observations. Frankly it's very distubing you couldn't stomach reading the Declaration of Independence, with bizarre and uniformed additional comments. Your besmirching of the Document was subsequently and handily dismantled. Kudos to those involved. In your recent boasts and small talk about your so called c.v., why did you omit your foray into Nicaragua and all that it entailed? Selective amnesia? A quick google search can fill in some of the holes. And your favorite c-rations? Pork and beans...really? Was there any c-oke or c-ash available as an alternative while doing black ops with black money in the aforementioned country? Perhaps not for your personal consumption, but as bartering chips? Just wondering, your wondermous. After all, this is an opinion section, hence my privileged inquiry awaits your opinion on the details of your (o)mission. Before you answer, ponder the 9th Commandment that you claim to be familiar with. In addition, why are you so sure the Tea Party Patriots will be "dead" soon? Is it because your dear leader's imbedded operatives in the most powerful and feared entity in the USA, the IRS, has been doing their dirty best to destroy them and religious organizations as well? I can hardly wait (sarc) until the IRS takes control of our health care. But you'll be o.k. with your gold plated plan, eh? Current vets are being hung out to dry under your dear leaders regime. Helping them out any? The gilt is quickly coming off the lily for the rest of the dim-wits who foolishly supported Obummercare passage. Heck, why not? Nancy Pelosi said it had to pass in order to find out what was in it. Surprise! The 30 hour work-week and temporary employment is now a harsh reality, for those who can even find it. BTW, no health care included in those "jobs". You (and Morris) are the embodiment of Low Information Voters, although yours is of a more willful nature, given your putative brilliance.

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  • James E.July 08, 2013 - 6:28 pm

    Morris, not a good idea to be moving around on your roof three stories up. Best you can hope for is a crushed spine, but more likely your head will be crushed like a watermelon. Worth the money to get a pro to do it.

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  • James E.July 08, 2013 - 6:35 pm

    Dee#1, it disturbed you enough to comment on it. And, remember one man's Shakespeare is another man's (woman in your case) drivel.

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  • FranJuly 08, 2013 - 7:02 pm

    Well Mr Morris and James...I dont think Paul likes you guys. I thought I was the only one not liked on here...(rolling eyeballs.) James has any one given you the list you asked for? 100 people...

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  • James E.July 08, 2013 - 7:03 pm

    Paul, I've read the Declaration of Independence many time. It's only recently that it came to mind that all men are created equal seems to have left lots of people out. No amnesia on Nicaragua, I never got closer than Mexico. Sorry. C Rations were in Vietnam. Coke and cash? How cute you are. You continue to slur, you inadequate and sad man.

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  • Paul ChritudinousJuly 08, 2013 - 8:02 pm

    James Inadequate and sad? Bwa ha ha. In rebuke to your multiple replies (thanks for the free rent in your head) you are a pathological liar.

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  • James E.July 08, 2013 - 7:04 pm

    *** times.

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  • James E.July 08, 2013 - 7:06 pm

    Fran, well, we cannot be liked by everyone. Our cross to bear.

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  • James E.July 08, 2013 - 7:18 pm

    Paul, given you are interested about my travels south of the border, I will tell you about my trip to Mexico City. Arrived, went to the Embassy, discussed business with my contact who wanted to take me out for a night of wildness. I declined, went to my crummy little motel room (near the airport) at 5PM. Sat in my room, had a Mexican beer, went to bed. Next morning to the airport and back to the USA. Pretty glamorous, huh. Sorry, only one travel story for you until you can write a comment that isn't heavy with slurs. And, given you are incapable of that, this is your last story.

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  • James E.July 08, 2013 - 7:38 pm

    OK, off to Netflix while Paul tries, and fails, to write a comment without slurs. Phil, no I don't remember what brand of Mexican beer it was -- after all, it's been over 30 years ago.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 08, 2013 - 7:45 pm

    Colonel, I asked Victoria Toensing to check her notes. Dos Equis

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  • James E.July 08, 2013 - 10:18 pm

    Phil, Victoria never knew I went to Mexico City. But, no problem if she did as I was a good boy during that trip. No wild nightlife. Actually, never any nightlife -- not a good activity for that business. Given recent reports of Secret Service playtime while on duty, perhaps they should have learned this. Maybe, Corona.

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  • James E.July 08, 2013 - 10:21 pm

    OK, back to Netflix.

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  • MorrisJuly 08, 2013 - 11:18 pm

    @James E: Good advice. Haven't found anyone yet that'll touch it tho. Once came down and decided to grab some ice cream as a reward. So jumped into the Mid Life Crisis Car and scooted over to Mar- Val. A group of young ladies kept looking at me and I'm thinking 'Yup. The old dude still has it goin on' It was only when arriving home that I realized I was still wearing the tool box liner taped to by butt like a big black diaper. @Paul: Yes, indeed I vote. Yes for candidates and issues that better humanity; by showing that we are humane. Yes for medical care for those who cannot otherwise obtain it and are left to suffer. Yes for education for those who were not lucky enough to have been raised by role models they could emulate. Yes for decency, fairness and compassion. Yes for fiscally conservative progressives. No for 'I Got Mine'.

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  • Paul ChritudinousJuly 09, 2013 - 3:56 pm

    @Morris: REPLIES IN CAPS. @Paul: Yes, indeed I vote. YIKES! Yes for candidates and issues that better humanity; by showing that we are humane. THE PERMANENT UNDERCLASS NURTURED BY PROGS IN ORDER TO GARNER THEIR VOTES IS NOT HUMANE. ECONOMISTS DR. THOMAS SOWELL, DR WALTER WILLIAMS, AND DR.FRIEDRICH HAYEK (ALL VETS BTW) HAVE WRITTEN EXTENSIVELY AND AUTHORITATIVELY ON THE SUBJECT. HOW'S THE BLACK POPULATION'S UNEMPLOYMENT RATE DOING UNDER OBAMA? CA LOST 73,000 BUSINESSES LAST YEAR DUE TO PROG REGULATIONS. IS THAT HUMANE? Yes for medical care for those who cannot otherwise obtain it and are left to suffer. I AGREE WITH YOU THERE BUT THE ACA IS A FORTHCOMING TRAINWRECK. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH, AS I HAVE. WHILE YOU'RE AT IT, CONSIDER THE IMPACT OF 30 MILLION+ GETTING "SHAMNESTY" SUCKING DOWN THE SYSTEM FURTHER. WONDER WHY THERE'S AN INCREASING DOC SHORTAGE? THE RINO'S ARE JUST AS GUILTY HERE. Yes for education for those who were not lucky enough to have been raised by role models they could emulate. AND YOUR SOLUTION IS? ONE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE RAISED BY "ROLE MODELS". THEY ARE AVAILABLE, ALTHOUGH OUR CULTURAL ROT IS NOT CONDUCIVE TO FOLLOWING THEM. THE CURRENT PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM IS FAILING MISERABLY. RELIGION BASED AND CHARTER SCHOOLS ARE FAR SUPERIOR. IN HIGHER EDUCATION, DUE TO THE PROGS, MINORITIES ENJOY ADMISSION ADVANTAGES OVER HIGH GPA'S. THE DROP OUT RATE AND TIME SPENT ACQUIRING COLLEGE DEGREES HAVE SKYROCKETED. THE CALIFORNIA STATE UNIVERSITIES ARE CHARGING CONFISCATORY RATES AND GRADUATING INCOMPETENTS IN LARGE PART. MEANWHILE, THE PROFS (WHO HARDLY WORK) ARE PAID OBSCENE WAGES WITH GOLD PLATED RETIREMENTS. THANKS PROGS. Yes for decency, fairness and compassion. I AGAIN AGREE. DOES ABORTION FIT THAT TEMPLATE?IF YOU ARE SERIOUS, CONSIDER A CONSTITUTIONAL CONSERVATIVE AFFILIATION. OPEN YOUR MIND UP AND DO SOME READING, AND ACTUAL OBSERVATION OF THE EFFECTS FROM THE PATH WE'RE GOING DOWN UNDER YOUR "DEAR LEADER". HINT: DESTRUCTION OF THE MIDDLE CLASS... Yes for fiscally conservative progressives. YA GOT ME THERE MORRIS...NOW THERE'S TWO MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE TERMS! I THINK I NEED SOME CATNIP TOO AFTER THAT ONE. No for ‘I Got Mine’. ME 'NEITHER, AND GOING SOUTH.... ***************************************** Sorry for the cap's lock, I'm not hollering at the screen, just differentiating twixt answers and reply. FYI: I've built and remodeled my share of houses, and both installed and replaced metal roofs. The pro's and con's are also dependant on building site elevation and complexity of the roof. My advice beyond fall proctection (anchor, rope and harness) is stay off there unless you really need to do repairs. You can buy protection fairly reasonably. As to James E.--He's one who can dish it out but can't take it. Period.

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  • James E.July 09, 2013 - 12:24 am

    Morris, I've heard that some women like men with tool box liners taped to their butt. Don't give up, keep trying.

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  • James E.July 09, 2013 - 12:24 am

    Way past my bedtime. Out.

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  • Paul ChritudinousJuly 09, 2013 - 8:59 pm

    James E : Your last posts were absolutely hilarious. How's the view while hiding under your computer desk? It's painfully evident you get auto messages about ripostes to your posts. In point of fact, you've posted 31 replies out of 72 on this thread, as of this writing--you busy boy. Apparently it suits your needs to "disturb" others, yet bristle when it comes your way. "James E. says: July 7, 2013 at 9:17 pm Dee#1, I’m sorry my asinine diatribe disturbed you. It was intended to disturb you and it worked." Evidently disturbing others is quite alright when you do so, meanwhile you cannot address disturbing point by point refutations of your "diatribes"; preferring to hide behind the "slur" smokescreen. How convenient a ruse. Progs tiresomely foist the "racial slur" against anyone who speaks the truth against your dear leader, in order to silence them. A salient pont too close for comfort, Colonel? Your tactics may have served you well in your career, but have no place in a Republic where freedom of speech (while endangered) is still recognized. And you can add to the list of aforementioned prominent Americans (previous posts by astute others) that the left is attempting to destroy because they've strayed from the prog plantation: Colonel Alan West, and of course their perennial favorite Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas (recently referred to by a prog congressman as "Uncle Thomas"). Come out, come out wherever you are. Not Netflix again I hope.

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  • James E.July 09, 2013 - 9:13 pm

    Paul, I didn't say you were making racial slurs. Rather, character slurs. Why are you so quick to jump to alleged 'racial slurs?' Guilty conscience?

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  • Paul ChritudinousJuly 09, 2013 - 10:46 pm

    Ah the fish again rises to the bait! Not to worry progs, he will be released unharmed into the cooler box. James, James, James...You cast aspersions and slurs upon my character and life as "inadequate and sad", then infer that I have racial guilt? Iffen you only knew... A few tidbits: Before marrying my beautiful very Polynesian Bride, all my sweethearts were women of color, as are many of my best friends. Par usual, a swing and a miss, Colonel. Netflix? Have at it my man. Your attempted retort was both pathetic and ludicrous. If you were honest, you would have read and respect that I fully support American private enterprise and opportunity for all on an even playing field. Just curious,why do you seek refuge/solace through Mr. Veerkamp? Due to haste since my mind races and my fingers only type around 80 wpm, I would like to add a comment to a previous post, much like you oft-times do. Your smokescreens and strawmen are tiresome and well documented. I would no sooner seek to deprive you of your Constitutional rights than any other citizen. My challenge was to meet me in the arena of Constitutionally protected opinion, point by point...not hiding behind obfuscation and insult, your trademark. In my humble opinion, you are a bully and narcissist that has been called out and responds in textbook fashion. Again, you can dish it out, but cannot take it. A good fit for your former profession, but unsuitable for your present hobby, spending 14 hours a day on the MD website. I bid you adieu, back to penning a long overdue novel, and making a hard earned living that requires an early rising.

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  • James E.July 09, 2013 - 9:16 pm

    ADDED: And, you deny me my Constitutional right to view Netflix? Phil, if I cannot go to Netflix, neither can you. Paul doesn't think we should view it. He believes in freedom but not for us.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 09, 2013 - 9:21 pm

    James, I assume you have already enjoyed DOWNTON ABBEY? If not, do not fail to view . . . GREAT! (be sure to slog into the second episode - you'll be hooked)

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  • James E.July 09, 2013 - 9:17 pm

    Paul, I'm going back to Netflix. I'll read and respond to your snappy reply later.

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  • James E.July 09, 2013 - 11:08 pm

    My God, Paul has gotten himself into such a snit. And his snit seems so familiar? I wonder if he visits every year or so and changes his name? Paul, if you wish you can include me in your novel as the condescending Colonel. But, it's not really true as I'm one of the nicest guys in EDC, however, sadly a liberal. Phil, I have been a fan of Downton Abbey from the first episode when it first appeared on Masterpiece Theater two years ago -- great English TV. The third year should appear on/about December 2013.

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  • James E.July 09, 2013 - 11:15 pm

    I must confess I wandered to another web site in addition to Netflix. Hopeforpaws.org -- a group that rescues dogs off the street that are in horrible shape and brings them back to life. Watch their TV segments that show the rescues and how the dogs go from near death to life. I sent them a few coins. Perhaps you will too.

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  • James E.July 09, 2013 - 11:17 pm

    Phil, et al., let's try it again tomorrow. Out.

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  • James E.July 09, 2013 - 11:22 pm

    All, forgot to mention for HopeforPaws.org -- especially watch the segment about Fiona.

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