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SUPERVISOR NORMA SANTIAGO, left, and facilitator Michael Ward moderate an envisioning discussion in Pollock Pines Feb. 25. Photo by Kathy Durrett

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Of late, residents of Pollock Pines have been gathering in Town Hall meetings, learning how to beat the odds in the uncertain business of community improvement.

Campaigns for municipal betterment often fall to political or funding exhaustion, particularly if the public is absent from the narrative. Not any more, according to District 5 Supervisor Norma Santiago and expert facilitator Michael Ward. There is a strategy that is working, and it started with Pollock Pines’ own people.

Styled “Nature’s Wonderland,” Pollock Pines has 6,700 residents and a traditional streak of self-reliance. It’s a mountain town astride Highway 50, more than a dozen miles east of Placerville, and the last serious stop before Lake Tahoe. The 8-square-mile footprint is covered with timber, and in the winter, snow. People in this community tend to look out for their families and themselves. Life revolves around the commute, getting enough firewood and squeezing in some fishing or skiing. Taxes are high enough. Calls to make something prettier or to fix what isn’t broken can easily disappear in the noise of living. But the call to remodel the city can start a lively debate.

“People joke that it’s like herding stray cats,” Ward says with a smile. “Not a bit true. It’s about helping people define and fulfill their very own vision.”

El Dorado County supervisors want to help Pollock Pines get the facelift, but don’t want to be the surgeon. “Think of us as a partner with resources,” said District 5 Supervisor Norma Santiago, referring to the county’s CEDAC program. That would be the Community and Economic Development Advisory Council, a county program tailored to serve such partnerships. These funds are not pulled from general tax receipts, but from a lodging user fee known as the Transient Occupancy Tax, though the El Dorado County Board of Supervisors has not currently approved tapping into this revenue.

Santiago and Ward have helped CEDAC take root in communities such as Meyers, Cameron Park, Diamond Strings and El Dorado Hills, but the prototype most watched is Pollock Pines.

Marianne Argyres, chairman of CEDAC is emphatic about it. “Many communities are signing up, but Pollock Pines is light years ahead.”

Much credit for that goes to resident Jeanne Harper’s six years of tireless consciousness-raising among local businesses. “We developed our own grass roots committee, the Community Economic Development Association of Pollock Pines (CEDAPP) six years ago.” She smiled. “Now, thank goodness, we have the county’s own CEDAC outreach to work with.”

Harper, a former school principal, summarized the years. “Foothill issues have remained somewhat the same for a long time,” she observed. “Present an idea and someone will immediately see destruction of the town’s charm, or degradation of its natural beauty. Others will charge that special interests profit while most residents get nothing but higher taxes and traffic snarls. Others are suspicious of government seeking a heavier hand in local affairs. We bring an optimistic viewpoint to the party, but we’re more than a business club. In the bigger picture, we represent everyone’s better interests.”

Santiago agreed. “It’s not the county’s initiative at all. The vision comes wholly from involved residents.” The energetic overseer of California’s largest political subdivision knows the path is challenging. “When a community decides to improve itself, it can’t know all the obstacles,” Santiago said at the Feb. 25 meeting at the Pollock Pines-Camino Community Center. “No matter the merit of a given project, without a foundation of solid research, vigorous debate and eventual support from a clear majority of affected folks, the likelihood is nothing will happen. But Pollock Pines is defining its needs, creating its standards and learning to speak with one voice. We’ll be there with money and support.”

Indeed, the key to success begins with self-definition and includes specific needs. Agreement among stake-holders can be difficult. Santiago’s secret weapon is the professional facilitator Michael Ward, an unassuming mixture of Mr. Rogers, Henry Kissinger and General Patton. He is a practitioner of the critical path, a seasoned expert in bringing disparate, if not hostile, parties into the circle. Professionally, he runs HighBar Global Consulting, and is typically well rewarded for his effectiveness.  With CEDAC, he works for free. His is a labor of love and civic dedication, and that adds credibility to his role.

“Thus far the three community meetings have inspired a good turn-out of 50 residents or more per event. But,” said the facilitator, “there is always a risk that strident partisans will override less powerful voices, offend entrenched interests, embitter the visionaries and finally crush progress.” But he doesn’t plan to let that happen.

In the February meeting surprising progress was evident after two hours of discussion. “We’re exactly where we need to be,” he said after the third meeting, studying the white board where Scribe Judi McCallum had listed important ideas suggested by the floor. “We made progress tonight.”

McCallum, assistant to Supervisor Santiago, waved at the densely inscribed easel. “All this is 100 percent their ideas. We’ll put it together into a report that will serve as a launching pad for the March 25 meeting.”

Santiago, Harper and Ward know that to avoid a predictable impasse, even before there can be a single proposal for a project, there needs to be a slate of definitions and procedures agreed to by a majority. That protocol will eventually include consensus on the goals, costs, means, benefits, and organic necessity of any proposal. But first the baby steps, beginning with the introduction of the facilitator.

In the same meeting Ward spoke of the necessity to educate all voices on the importance of each stage of the path. He agreed democracy is sometimes messy. In the soup of debate, the coordinator stayed calm, listened, and listened some more. With one eye on the clock and one eye on the white board, he acknowledged each contribution, each input, and asked qualifying questions. He kept his patience against the de-railers. With no skin in the game, this Lake Tahoe resident allowed no agenda except progress. He repeated the mantra that every detail of the program would be the product of the people in the room. “All reasonable voices have a good chance of being reflected in the outcome.”

Santiago preached the need to articulate the town’s identity before spending time and money to improve it. “Time has changed Pollock Pines, at least where jobs are concerned. Many families have suffered since the mothballing of the lumber mill a few years ago.” She faced the attendees, arms in the air. “So what is your current vision for this community and its future? What are your ideas?”

Harper’s favorite motto echoes the sentiment. “It’s your community! What do you want?”

“Before any specific project can be addressed there must be a set of ‘guiding principles,’” said the Santiago at the outset. “These are generated by you the residents, and will establish rules of fairness, honesty, equanimity, consideration of future generations and other important, timeless values.”

Santiago embraces strong standards. “Once we have objectives, guiding principles and other critical path points established, suggestions from any quarter must conform. That keeps it all moving ahead, and prevents hijacking of the vision.”

The meetings have produced four categories potentially benefiting from Pollock Pines’ reach for an upgrade. These are presented as recreational, historical, “Nature’s Wonderland” branding, and General Facelift.

On the county’s part, an advisory council composed of Pollock Pines residents (selected with the approval of the others), will do day-to-day liaison work with Harper’s CEDAPP, the Chamber of Commerce and other municipal representatives to find common ground and get to work. Community meetings will remain essential.

With guiding principles providing a straight path, specific ideas can be considered. Should there be a 20-acre business park? Should a broadband communications network be developed? Should blue highway signage indicating historical and comfort sites be increased? Can the lumber mill be reopened if access to sufficient trees can be guaranteed? Can a university extension be established here specializing in natural resource study? What about community murals or a memory garden?

“There’s a ton of possibilities for a new-old Pollock Pines, but people have to get involved early,” said Harper. “Yes, it’s tough when both parents work, and of course it is sometimes difficult for seniors to leave the house at night in cold weather, but if the residents don’t do it, who will?”

Santiago agreed. “Communities are either growing or they are slipping, nothing stays the same. Every community in El Dorado County can become a better version of itself beginning here and now.” She smiled broadly. “And we’ll be happy to visit each one and explain it all.”

The next meeting is scheduled for March 25 at the Community Center,  near the bowling alley at 2675 Sanders Drive, Pollock Pines. Jeanne Harper can be reached at 530-613-1332.

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  • Lee Van KirkMarch 07, 2013 - 2:02 pm

    As a resident of Camino I attended the meeting and was surprised at the lively debate. Coming from Idaho I experienced many town meetings are nothing more than social discussion groups about Pop Warner or someone new to the community. This one was different. It was animated with different views and felt more like a House of Representatives meeting than a small town meeting. Mr Ward was obviously well versed in facilitating and Supervisor Santiago knowlegable regarding the county's methodology. Many of the residents were encouraged and as usual in a town meeting other views of "leave it as it is" were presented.What was important is that debate is essential in this type of event both for and against.That was evident . I was honored to be a part of the gathering.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 07, 2013 - 3:59 pm

    Are you kidding ?

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 07, 2013 - 4:42 pm

    I for one, DO NOT acknowledge Ms Harper having this power (and ive worked with her on many events.) I do not acknowledge her as some kind of savior of our community. This article has just taken away years of volunteers working from many groups in this community--way before she ever came. To all the groups before this woman came to our town, I am so sorry--this must be so insulting. Please note that I respect all that came before this mockery of the history of Pollock Pines. Many residents do not even come to these meetings, the ones who have -leave and tell others not to bother. I am horrified that any government person would allow these kind of comments to be written. We were told that no group or person can use these meetings to propel their own groups beliefs--well that was a lie. Jeannie and her group and been given "hero" status. YAY CEDAPP. These meetings just went from being a joke to being totally insane. And I for one, find them scary. This is not about a communities feelings. Money. Those who play--get some.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 07, 2013 - 9:26 pm

    Presentation by the El Dorado County Economic Development Advisory Committee on the use of Transient Occupancy Tax. (Est. Time: 1 Hr.) Public Comment J. Brunello N. Briel M. Argyres B. Smart B. January J. Harper L. Price K. Payne B. Baachi M. Cahill M. Ranalli A motion was made by Supervisor Veerkamp, seconded by Supervisor Santiago, to direct staff to bring back this matter on March 25, 2013 with language to enable the Board to take action. Yes: 4 - Briggs, Santiago, Mikulaco and Veerkamp Absent: 1 - Nutting please watch the video.http://eldorado.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=2&clip_id=165&meta_id=124608#.UTlozV6Ssw4.facebook I was at the town meeting--no one has been nice enough to spell any of this out. CEDAPP last year had a meeting--where the community voted that CEDAPP should give back all aspects of business to the chamber..so I do not see where she even has a right to talk about businesses up here. We voted...just as we voted that the sheriff should be in charge of safety. Sometimes omitting information--is as good as lying. The idea that these meetings are working in Pollock, at this point, is not true.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 07, 2013 - 9:58 pm

    Briggs is my hero in the video...there are non profits doing a great job--how come they are being forgotten?

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  • Dave SpiegelbergMarch 08, 2013 - 8:02 am

    I have lived in Pollock Pines for 24 years. Not that long, geologically, or generationally. However, there have been several efforts in the past to generate community spirit. Others focused on business. There were no failures, only experiences. Now is the time. The economy is showing signs of life, the County General Plan is being updated, and opportunity knocks. Strike while the Iron is hot! Private sector finance determines what will be built, because someone says, "I think I could make a living doing that." and the numbers work - E.G. the prospect can actually pay for itself, and provide enough income to survive and thrive. Thats the way it works, period. I think what we are looking for here are the tools to build Pollock Pines in our image. Seems like the job for the community, facilitated by the County and CEDAPP is to show up and be heard. CEDAPP and the County (Norma) are doing a great job providing a venue for the voices, and a focus for consensus. Good job.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 08, 2013 - 9:41 am

    Dave CEDAPP is taking credit for other peoples work. The articles that Jeanie writes--just because her name is there--doesnt mean CEDAPP had any thing to do with it. http://eldorado.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=2&clip_id=165 please start video at 1:45:50. Think of all the hours your wife has put in because she just wanted to help--no other motive. I guess I could statr putting up all her writings in this paper--and show which groups were there. Our community has done wonderful things--way before CEDAPP...and its all here in the democrat. NO one brought up what was going on behind the scenes--I think once again People were manipulated. I just recently worked on a project where a group donated money--it was to be held by yet another group--Ms Harper kept insisting that CEDAPP write one big check...I just gave it to the group that was suppose to hold it for next years repeat event. Wanna play? CEDAPP is holding all the funds--to make them look better. That event had many players...Rotary, Z-Group, Becky (FOL) Saddle Club, Boys and Girls Club, Board of Education, Rotary, Pollock Pines PTC...should I go on? CEDAPP wrote about it...and slanted it. The other groups dont care--they did it for our kids. I respect you--but I disagree. And the true residents are not there. Someone once tried to pull the wool over the eyes of those people --300 towns people showed up to tell the people involved that it was not what they wanted. Once again, go to the real people. Our town lost part of its heart when the mill closed. Not one person has any control here. And to not bring all of the information to the table--is lying. We have people arrogantly telling others how to present themselves--what stores can go in? I for one do not want my grandson growing up with this type of bias. He respects all the leaders in our town--and if I can only protect one person--it will be him. I hope peole come to our meetings. This is happening all over the United States. My friends down in Los Angeles just went to a "meeting"--they are now fighting back. Change is always good--I would love to see more money come in for our families. I do not bow to any one or any group. They are some wonderful people here. Im sorry to hear you are backing this...it breaks my heart that good people get hurt. Is recreation the button you wanted on the new "portal" ? I agree that the web site is a good idea--bullying people is not.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 08, 2013 - 9:51 am

    Before im attacked AGAIN, I do not have full use of my hands--I can spell--my typing sucks...but you will find--my words might be raw--but they come from my heart. Dave Spiegelberg and his wife are wonderful people --they have been volunteers in this community for years. His wife alone has put in more hours than CEDAPP can ever imagine...and she does it out of the love of children. When people accused me of saying horrible things about her--it just was not true. She is wonderful with children--and I trust her with my grandsons heart. This whole thing is breaking my heart. To see my friends in tears--because they have been hurt with words...that make them feel they are not worthy of living on the main street up here...money isnt worth it.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 08, 2013 - 9:59 am

    Watch the video... the BOS segment shows how the entire County is being organized by the these economic development groups. Everything will be PLANNED by committees. And the committees will be funded -- by taxpayer money. And if you're not part of the plan you're an "outcast" welcome to my world. A small group of people deciding for all. Scary.

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  • EvelynMarch 08, 2013 - 11:59 am

    On the flexible meaning of words, in this case, “FREE”. The article reports that for CEDAC, facilitator Michael Ward “works for free. His is a labor of love and civic dedication, and that adds credibility to his role.” Two years ago, however, the Tahoe Daily Tribune (HERE) reported Michael Ward as saying his organization needed "about $1 million to set up offices on both the North and South shores, which is important given the bishore emphasis of the prosperity plan." Further on in the article: "Ward has received seed money for such an operation from some jurisdictions around the basin, including . . . El Dorado county and the city of South Lake Tahoe." QUESTION: If taxpayers have funded the establishment of Mr. Ward’s offices, by what understanding is he working “for FREE”? Presumably that $1 million might include a penny or two for his salary. Or did all the money go to the physical work space where he hangs his hat? (BTW: His website gives no indication where that might be.)

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 08, 2013 - 12:07 pm

    "Santiago and Ward have helped CEDAC take root in communities such as Meyers, Cameron Park, Diamond Strings and El Dorado Hills, but the prototype most watched is Pollock Pines." I have now read other meetings articles from these places--nice to know that our heroic duo show anger in other places as well. I can count how many times Ms Santiago stood in front of me--to block out the "bad" kid. (this is a sign of temper....tsk tsk tsk--one time with a heavy sigh--she came all the waty from the front of the room to block me from sight) My friend one time said that I had a knack for bringing the best of them to anger. Mr Ward is more controlled--but he should be--this is what he trained for--this is his moment...and he is good at it. He broke his stride three times :)

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 08, 2013 - 12:52 pm

    http://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelwardhighbarglobal I spent several hours on Mr. wards profile...and the companies listed. He is good at what he does. I still feel manipulating a community is wrong. I think in this community people deserve all truths--since the government helped shut down the mill--and not bring it back. Why would people support any thing based on omission of the facts. One can not keep lying to a place and expect them to listen. How about we try something new...going to the true residents and presenting a case. One does not need a group or government to help raise money from grants. Is our whole town interested in spending--what 80,000 dollars on those dancing bears? I know when I heard the final amount--I just thought of the children who are going without something because their parents lost their jobs...or the seniors who stand in our bread lines--just making ends meet. When I first heard about the statue--I never thought of this huge amount of money.. Our schools could use that--just to help repair and replace heating and air conditioning units at both schools. They can use money to help with new technology for our kids. what other big projects will "help" are community?

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 08, 2013 - 1:16 pm

    our neighbors...http://eldorado.legistar.com/View.ashx?M=F&ID=1223325&GUID=23BCC532-FB2C-4383-A049-C0A820E05DC6 people working with our community using the word "we"...hopefully you are not infering "we the people..." because many of us are not on this list--and had no clue ;)

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 08, 2013 - 1:30 pm

    the last link did not work--but you have my true email--and i can send a working link. the link is is to an EDAC presentation to the Board of Supervisors, 4/4/2011. Michael Ward's name appears on the "list"

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 08, 2013 - 1:32 pm

    Dave Spiegelberg is there as well

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 08, 2013 - 1:40 pm

    here in this paper..."The first such meeting was on Dec. 3. Members of the county Economic Development Advisory Council (EDAC) and the sub-group simply called the Regulatory Reform group, presented to the community a dynamic and user friendly PowerPoint presentation educating attendees about the “new and now” processes that have led to the establishment of the new Community Development Agency." yet the link to a BOS meeting is dated 4/4/2011...lolololol...come on--involving the community is mandatory (Santiago) which community did you talk to about Pollock...was it Myers--because the duo kept going on about Myers plan. Yep no manipulation here.

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  • EvelynMarch 08, 2013 - 3:25 pm

    Fran: The link you left at 1:16 works perfectly well. (It's just that sometime we make errors when selecting the string.) I'm just giving it another shot HERE

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 08, 2013 - 3:47 pm

    thank you Evelyn ;) Im off to baseball soon...wonder how long we will have our field...it is always mentioned at these meetings--and by-passed just as fast.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 09, 2013 - 9:08 am

    I have a strong feeling that if one is not ACCEPTABLE to the CEDAPP group--one WILL NOT appear on the advisory board. This article is so slanted--im surprized it didnt fall off the page. TO ALL VETS that responded to the idea of the "TOT" funds--these econonmic groups are going after them now. Go to the BOS page and look up EDAC or the new EDEC there are videos...these groups want 10% for their club. The next meeting for this issue and the BOS is on March 25--our town meeting is that night. It was the same for the last meeting. Pollock Pines...I have lived here a long time--and I honor you. I come from Los Angeles...I grew up in the Hollywood Hills--lived in West Hollywood...these ideas of how a place should be--comes from plces Ive already lived. Small groups "telling" you how to present yourself--how to live in neighborhoods that all look the same. If any one would just tell the truth--put every thing on the table...no...this is about a few--feeling they have better answers for everyone. Again CEDAPP is being favored. Although several groups work hard and even harder in some cases for our community. I will keep posting--and everyone can attack--dont care. I will keep siting different articles. If 10% goes to these people--who loses out. The only smart thing I have heard from Santiago--is to make sure some organizations keep getting funded...such as the Film Industry, the Arts, The vets...These groups should not touch the Arts-- without the advice of the El Dorado Arts council--we have already seen people from CEDAPP defend a mural on a public building that was not properly designed nor did it go through the correct channels--and forever it is on-line as our visual space. When you go to the Pinewood school there is a mural that is designed...there is a difference and it does matter. Lets see the library issue--someone counted 40 posts...lololol...im not letting this one die. Go to Bos--see the vids.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 09, 2013 - 1:19 pm

    COUNTY OF ELDORADO J· Return to: Clerk of the Board of Supervisor.§ County Government Center za l z JUN I 9 AM II on this date Ms harper filed an application for Economic Development Advisory Commission written on 06/18/2012...the app goes on to list why should should be picked for this board. Im confused we havent even gotten to this app in our meetings--as stated in this article. This app is stamped and time recorded. Once again--no manipulation here. One of my request is that NO one be on the board of any other group. That would include an advisory position. But as we can see by the app--that has already gone out..no one cares about the people in Pollock. This app was sent to 13. Indicate Supervisor who will receive a copy of this application: Pollock Pines has three Supervisors- Norma SantiaQo, Ray NuttinQ, and Jack Sweeney. Just curious...also on the app..."CEDAPP is an organization dedicated to preserving the heritage of Pollock Pines and developing and maintaining an environment that will improve the economic prosperity of the Pollock Pines community and enhance the quality of life of its citizens." This mission statement best describes what the overall purpose of the County EDAC is as pertains to EDC. (please note that EDAC belongeds to the ARTS council--but no one did their homework--and now they have to give it back--so they are now EDEC) For a group perserving our heritage--shouldnt they really know the history of this town.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 09, 2013 - 1:22 pm

    yep my writing is awful--hands are cold...im not going back ...and im trying to figure out how to post the app.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 09, 2013 - 1:56 pm

    From Ms Harpers application--where she did become a new member...11. Why do you seek appointment? I seek appointment primarily to bring accurate and timely information back to my community. REALLY? I challenge the word "accurate." I have got to find a child that can help me post links...I have lots of stuff to share...im only at post 21. Please keep in mind our first town meeting was dec, 2012...many documents will come from way before this time...think of how many knew before the community of Pollock ...

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  • EvelynMarch 09, 2013 - 2:18 pm

    Fran: Navigating County links (finding stuff!!!) is a nightmare for the uninitiated. I think THIS is the link to the EDAC application you have in mind.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 09, 2013 - 2:37 pm

    thanks you Evelyn, you and many of the bloggers here have been very helpful...I thank everyone so much for the help. That is the link--so far i had only manged to email it to myself...lololol...much honor to those of you that can do these links. I just changed OS systems--and everything is now right click where it was left click.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 09, 2013 - 4:53 pm

    the general plan : 16. Who is in charge of this project? The Board of Supervisors has designated the Chief Administrative Office as the project lead. The Board of Supervisors also directed the Chief Administrative Office to form an Executive Advisory Team consisting of representatives of the following county departments and organizations: Development Services Department Department of Transportation Environmental Management Department Air Quality Management District Department of Agriculture Human Services Department Planning Commission Parks Commission Agriculture Commission Economic Development Advisory Committee <-- MS HARPER IS A MEMBER http://www.edcgov.us/Government/Planning/TGPA_and_ZOU_FAQs.aspx nope--no manipulation there--pollock town meetings are community run--REALLY

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 09, 2013 - 4:55 pm

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/El-Dorado-County-Economic-Development-Advisory-Committee-EDAC/198887063518040 YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE A MEMBER OF THIS SITE ON FACEBOOK TO READ IT--id look at their links

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 09, 2013 - 5:37 pm

    http://www.edcgov.us/CAO/ I like the new budget basic presentation...El Dorado county has a closed system--which means if this economic group umbrella gets 10% of the "tot" taxes--it will come from someone else. You can only change the slice of the pie--not the pie itself...now the groups that supported this tax: the Veterans Affairs Commission, Joint Chambers Commission, Friends of Our Community, Whitewater Rafting Association, Farm Trail, Arts Council, Agriculture Council, and the Visitors Authority--did you want to get up your portion? because it seems like their are already groups in place doing many of these things already. The article talks about murals--we have the El dorado Arts...business--we have the El Dorado Chambers and their branches(do they want to give up some of the pie?) What about the Veterans Affairs Commission ? The point is we have non profits that can do great work already--and they need these funds. I know that the El Dorado Arts came to help are kids on art projects at the little library (of course they have been sent away) All of these organizations are more than willing to help, make suggestions for grants. Why would you take a piece of their piece--I love economics. Everyone wants to better their lives...I just dont see how these committees can be true and honest when they are born of manipulation and deceit. Last meeting I heard the word "broadband" well-- please explore the EDEC (EDAC--had to be given back) It is something they have already decided on...community involvement? I keep asking and get blank stares...although one can go to the CEDAPP site and see how people are reacting to the new business--just like the EDEC did with their comments about K-MART, Panda Express (IM wondering why any business comes to our county--only to be picked on) I love that taco bell used bright orange today as their new color. I thought of many people and just laughed...I can see their faces. But I believe in individualism--I am an artist.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 09, 2013 - 5:48 pm

    i just talked to someone about the bright orange taco bell--I love it...not the color --but the idea. CEDAPP people were mad before--they must be fuming now. They dont like so many things in town--this should keep them busy for awhile...touche taco bell !!!!!! It will now match the American Dollar Store sign that CEDAPP people hated.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 09, 2013 - 7:17 pm

    sorry. Family Dollar Store (red with yellow orange sign) Maybe crayon colors could be our theme--other successful countries have used them. I love the Pinewood school mural for that reason--it celebrates children and color...very well done. Taco Bell--you are my hero today...thanks for the smiles. Karma comes in colors.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 10, 2013 - 10:33 am

    http://visit-eldorado.com/council.php Visitors Authority Council Members: Jeanne Harper CEDAPP...this is all about our community. lololol. Cards are not stacked at all. This is one of the groups that would give up a piece of their slice (remember the pie is a closed system--the whole doesnt change)...or work with Harper to keep their piece of the slice. Vets are you watching? Pollock--pay attention--you have been manipulated. since this is Santiago backed it will go through...Tahoe is where the visitors go. Each day I envy Apple Hill. Pollock never had a chance--not with the mill down. We can not build out here--without tearing down (buildings or trees)...they can only build up. Some of the ideas are very good--but they chose the wrong people to try to lead. Honesty...such a simple thing.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 10, 2013 - 11:05 am

    I have a question? Why not give the Visitors authority more--since they could do the portal...or the Arts council more--because--well they could be in change of the "murals" (and or design) When I left Los Angeles, are designers (the people in charge of design--for good reason)were part of the art world. I did call down to some space designers friends--they feel its still the same. Whos knows better how to honor veterans than the veterans--give them more for maintenance and for other programs. Chambers run business. I dont get it. I would get rid of these people who want 10% of the tot--and let the leaders of the groups already here meet (like the UN) and decide. The general plan said to form a group--why not use the people who know what they are doing. BECAUSE IT IS A JOKE TO SAY THAT COMMUNITIES ARE INVOLVED. Earlier Dave posted--see if it had all been on the table honestly--I would have listened to him. He is smart--design orientated. Doesnt care if his name is known. Supports the arts. Loves his family. Is an engineer. Too bad. I know many who would listen to him. But he has tied his self to CEDAPP. A group that said they would give business back to the chambers--I was there--we voted on it. So for years she has gone behind the backs of the people here and done what she wanted any way...I dont recognize that as a good leader. Just a few more posts to hit that 40 that every one talked about--then I go to print :) no ones playing any more. If you are hoping this falls below the comment wall--it wont. People are reading--they are giving me questions to ask ...and links. People in Pollock are not shy--they are waiting and learning. I am just the messenger. Surfing the net last night--I read article after article on the banning of big gulp sodas...really? Now the law suits start. It is scary that someone is controlling what you can consume. I love kids...and they are smart...I can see many just buying two 16 oz cups of soda. I wonder how much money will be spent from both sides on this issue...and why wasnt all that money just given to schools--so they could talk more about nutrition? when I was young we learned to cook in school--we had sewing--crafts--simple wood working projects. The money could go to bring that kind of training back. We had both boys and girls in our class. I took shop and wood (which is still the hardest class i ever took--that box had to line up...I think in the end--only ten out of 30 could mathematically square that box up) Talk about a waste of money...prohibition for kids.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 11, 2013 - 9:15 pm

    http://www.edctc.org/EDCTC-3/1_ASSETS/CONTENT/LIBRARY/EDCPark-TrailsMasterPlan.pdf... another advisory report containing...more of our friends that are in our town...parks and trails...yet another non manipulation of the word "identity"

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 11, 2013 - 9:19 pm

    This is why when I said "lumber town" a group said oh no--its more than that--its trails and things. I was confused at the time--now I am not.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 11, 2013 - 9:46 pm

    The County‐owned 26‐acre site is projected to be very expensive to build as planned because of the terrain. Maybe it should only be used for trails, picnic areas, vault restrooms, etc. that aren’t so expensive to build. It could then also function as a place for travelers to pull off U.S. Highway 50 for an extended picnic break and draw people into town for shopping, gas, etc. Alternatively, could the County sell the parcel and use the proceeds for other projects in the area?

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 11, 2013 - 9:48 pm

    the last comment was from the park and trails report...Ms Harper is one of the advisers: http://www.edctc.org/EDCTC-3/1_ASSETS/CONTENT/LIBRARY/EDCPark-TrailsMasterPlan.pdf

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 15, 2013 - 9:51 am

    "Campaigns for municipal betterment often fall to political or funding exhaustion, particularly if the public is absent from the narrative. Not any more, according to District 5 Supervisor Norma Santiago and expert facilitator Michael Ward. There is a strategy that is working, and it started with Pollock Pines’ own people.' this means using donations from nonprofits to fix things the "county" should have paid for. (not all nonprofits are doing this--some actually use the money towards what they told the public they would.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 15, 2013 - 9:54 am

    "Styled “Nature’s Wonderland,” Pollock Pines has 6,700 residents and a traditional streak of self-reliance." lololol..okay 50 show for the meetings--and some of those are not from here...Jeannie has stretched the invitation to any business within the county. Although some have now disappeared...go figure.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 15, 2013 - 9:58 am

    “People joke that it’s like herding stray cats,” Ward says with a smile. “Not a bit true. It’s about helping people define and fulfill their very own vision.” Certainly he is interested in the area...money is going to be made...think medical and Olympics... in order to bid for the 2026 games--lots of work is still needed. they were not ready for 2016 (Reno/Tahoe games) Oh wait is there trouble afoot between Reno and Tahoe...wait for the next episode.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 15, 2013 - 11:47 am

    new word..."ecotourism" used now in El Dorado county. http://cfpub.epa.gov/ncer_abstracts/index.cfm/fuseaction/display.abstractDetail/abstract/6512/report/0 Ecotourism Through Participatory Action Research: A Case Study of a Community-Based Project in Huatulco, Mexico EPA Grant Number: U915149 Title: Ecotourism Through Participatory Action Research: A Case Study of a Community-Based Project in Huatulco, Mexico Investigators: Ishida, N. Loretta Institution: Michigan State University EPA Project Officer: Smith, Bernice Project Period: January 1, 1997 through January 1, 1999 Project Amount: $68,000 RFA: STAR Graduate Fellowships (1997) Research Category: Academic Fellowships , Ecological Indicators/Assessment/Restoration , Fellowship - Ecology and Ecosystems ummmmmmmmm Mexico? It could fit in our town meetings...up and down the hill--and meetings across the states... and further. But for now compare it to..."Santiago and Ward have helped CEDAC take root in communities such as Meyers, Cameron Park, Diamond Strings and El Dorado Hills, but the prototype most watched is Pollock Pines. Marianne Argyres, chairman of CEDAC is emphatic about it. “Many communities are signing up, but Pollock Pines is light years ahead.”" ;) next meeting is march 25th at ...community center

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 15, 2013 - 12:27 pm

    https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/03/04/2013-04887/trestle-forest-health-project-eldorado-national-forest-el-dorado-county-ca Whats happening in our forest...people have until the middle of april to respond

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 15, 2013 - 9:13 pm

    our very own facilitator as member EL DORADO COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE 330 Fair Lane, OES Conf. Rm., Bldg A Placerville, CA 95667 January 20, 2011 @ 9:00 AM 2010 Chair, Maryann Argyres 2010 Vice‐Chair, Michael Ward They talk about the Olympics. Some are already making big money... since all these advisory meetings talk about the use of volunteers, donations...and grants--seems government will have bigger pots of money to play with. There are power point presentations as well. For a neutral position because it will not happen without community involvement --Mr. Ward and Santiago are very invested and have been for awhile. And they are not the only ones.

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  • SparkyMarch 16, 2013 - 8:02 am

    Summary: 36 of 41 posts are by one person. Evidently, the way to building consensus is to continue to flog the mule through the MD comment section. Number of converts: few to none... Suggestion: build consensus through personal discourse, not through emotional rants in the newspaper.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 16, 2013 - 8:58 am

    sparky--am I one of the few who use my name--read the links or not--dont care. I already went through the meanness when I addressed the library. "Maryann Argyres discussed representation of EDAC at local meetings. It was suggested that EDAC appoint their representatives to other groups. The following representation was discussed: Diamond Springs and El Dorado Area Mobility and Sustainable Community Vision Project - Dale Van Dam was categorized as the EDAC representative though Dale felt like he was representing the College. Maryann Argyres recommends Michael Ranalli is appointed as the EDAC representative for this group; Charlie Downs and Jeanne Harper second. Megan Arevalo will send an official notice to Diamond Springs El Dorado Mobility that Michael has been appointed as EDAC representative; Megan will obtain Michael’s biography to include in the letter. Parks & Recreation Commission - Jeanne Harper offered to officially represent EDAC. She is currently doing this unofficially and will be a liaison, not an advisor. Visitor’s Authority Council - Jeanne Harper represents EDAC. Michael Ranalli suggested that EDAC needs to appoint their own representatives to participate in community meetings. It was suggested that EDAC create a comprehensive list of the meetings that each committee member is attending on EDAC’s behalf. Committee members were instructed to send this information to Megan Arevalo. It was recommended that this information should be made available on EDAC’s website." http://www.edcgov.us/Government/Economic/EDAC/Minutes-EDAC/Minutes_-_February_21,_2013.aspx Ranting:To speak or write in an angry or violent manner...Im not mad--if anything Im sad--Im now living with people who feel that our community up here cant decide on their own--without the direction of Harper and her "business" group--sorry club. Again some great ideas--to bad the community wasnt trusted to decide will the same knowledge Harper has. Any person can go to a grant site--and fill out grants...and it used to be that if false information was given--you had to pay it back. So people should be careful when they write that a community is backing an idea. Just saying. Sparky--be brave--use your own name.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 16, 2013 - 2:35 pm

    The next economy...http://eldorado.legistar.com/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=1308677&GUID=EA615706-84DA-4AB8-8D65-2F0ECDFB83C5&Options=&Search= The City of Placerville and the County of El Dorado just signed off onto "The New Economy"... NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the Board of Supervisors of the County of El Dorado endorses the Next Economy Regional Prosperity Plan and authorizes County staff to actively engage in shaping and implementing the plan and to integrate it into the County’s economic development activities.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 16, 2013 - 2:36 pm

    http://www.nexteconomycapitalregion.org/

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 16, 2013 - 3:15 pm

    http://vids.kvie.org/video/2172321707/ video of the next economy

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 16, 2013 - 3:19 pm

    http://www.valleyvision.org/

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 16, 2013 - 3:30 pm

    http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/news/2012/11/21/next-economy-outlines-regional-plan-jobs.html?page=all

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 16, 2013 - 3:33 pm

    http://www.nexteconomycapitalregion.org/uploads/Next_Economy_Executive_Summary_November_2012.pdf

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  • EvelynApril 05, 2013 - 10:59 am

    COOKIE CUTTER VISIONS? "Meyers is an ideally situated, spacious and walkable mountain community that values sustainability, health, wellbeing and the natural environment. Uniquely concentrated with year-round outdoor sport and recreational opportunities, the Meyers mountain culture is the hallmark of our thriving local-based economy boasting a diverse commercial and retail environment, welcoming visitors and providing residents with an extraordinary place to live, work and play.

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  • EvelynApril 05, 2013 - 11:17 am

    Meyers Community Advisory Council (MCAC), was created in August of 2012. "Working with a facilitator, will coordinate an intensive community/stakeholder engagement process, one that is inclusive, transparent and invites diversity, to provide guiding principles, value statements, priorities, and consensus on sustainable practices and projects." ********** Further, El Dorado County recommended (Jan 2013) MCAC be awarded $75,000 grants for Plan Update. See: THIS, pgs. 11-15. Lots of public (taxpayer) money will facilitate private investment, the essence of "public-private partnerships". Want some?

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netApril 05, 2013 - 12:04 pm

    ...to live, work and play.. Only put Pollock pines in front--and you have a Harper comment ;) oh wait. Is this--yes...We have a vision for our future. By 2025, Anchorage is the #1 city in America to Live. Work. & Play... http://www.aedcweb.com/aedcnew/programs/live-work-play. Sonoma, New York, Los Angeles,Ohio...just a quick serch...interesting that the same words come up across the nation...what were we talking about? yes Meyers. they have an Live,Work and Play consulting group...a Live Work learn play is an international real estate advisory and development firm...Im sure its not connected in any way. Live, Work, and Play. I suggest you read as well.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netApril 05, 2013 - 12:07 pm

    they have an Live,Work and Play consulting group. Should have been "there is a..." which is on line

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  • EvelynApril 05, 2013 - 12:12 pm

    Fran: You're depressing me no end. LIVE WORK PLAY as the New American Credo? At your prompting, I did a LIVE WORK PLAY search. Admittedly, however, it's snappier than REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netApril 05, 2013 - 12:17 pm

    sorry...and yes it seems to be...I havent used the other bad word today. http://theweek.com/article/index/241683/why-cvs-wants-workers-to-reveal-their-weight# this is different...

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  • EvelynApril 05, 2013 - 1:04 pm

    LIVE WORK PLAY fits in nicely with the California/Nevada bi-state 2026 Winter Olympics bid, actively supported by local and regional jurisdictions. THINK: (1) eminent domain; (2) public-private partnerships; (3)planning "updates"; (4) taxpayer burden. QUESTION: When will public comment be requested?

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  • EvelynApril 05, 2013 - 1:11 pm

    BTW: THIS has the makings of a perfectly swell Olympic Village.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netApril 05, 2013 - 1:13 pm

    lolololololol

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  • EvelynApril 05, 2013 - 1:27 pm

    Before too long one can simply intuit (vision?) the right search terms. Try: SUSTAINABLE LIVE WORK PLAY. Unsurprisingly, we have sustainable-live-work-play.com.

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  • EvelynApril 05, 2013 - 1:32 pm

    Kevin Johnson, Sac City Mayor, says Sacramento "will become a vibrant destination city, ensuring a high quality of life that makes the community a great place to LIVE, WORK, PLAY." (Find the link for yourself!)

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  • EvelynApril 05, 2013 - 1:36 pm

    "Chicago is home to one of the nation’s greatest cities to live, work and play." - HERE ********** (For Chicago I feel compelled to provide a link.)

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netApril 05, 2013 - 1:36 pm

    I knew Evelyn--I was trying not to use the "s" word today...live work and play in a sustainable world.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netApril 05, 2013 - 1:39 pm

    http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/sustainability

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  • EvelynApril 05, 2013 - 1:44 pm

    Having done a random check, I'm here to tell you that there are few towns/cities already visited upon by Economic Development that don't include in their public manifestos the words • LIVE, • WORK, • PLAY, and probably also • VIBRANT

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  • EvelynApril 05, 2013 - 1:47 pm

    Fran: That "S" word is obligatory. Else we won't be "that thing". Just unfortunate that it's so gosh darn expensive to become "S".

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  • EvelynApril 05, 2013 - 1:51 pm

    One conclusion: The "visioning" workshops could save a lot time by simply kicking off with a Fill-In-The-Blank Vision and then getting down straight away to the business of committee selection/formation.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netApril 05, 2013 - 1:54 pm

    alright miss--here it is...you can put live, work and play with Mexico and Europe --it is global...but in some cases you have to use sustainable as well. the links of the feel good messages are people who--people tend to believe. The quotes sell the idea. link already provided

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  • EvelynApril 05, 2013 - 1:55 pm

    AN EXPERIMENT FOR EVERYONE: Search on these words: el dorado county live work play

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  • EvelynApril 05, 2013 - 1:59 pm

    In German: leben und arbeiten zu spielen

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  • EvelynApril 05, 2013 - 2:00 pm

    SPANISH: vivir trabajar jugar

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netApril 05, 2013 - 2:01 pm

    http://www.immi.gov.au/about/stakeholder-engagement/_pdf/stakeholder-engagement-practitioner-handbook.pdf this handbook has some blank graphs one can use for these meetings

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  • EvelynApril 05, 2013 - 2:02 pm

    The game is easy enough for any beginner!

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netApril 05, 2013 - 2:04 pm

    http://www.naccho.org/topics/infrastructure/mapp/upload/visioning_full.pdf fill in the blanks

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  • EvelynApril 05, 2013 - 2:10 pm

    Fill-In-The-Blank Visions for Community IDs? No wonder they all sound alike.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netApril 05, 2013 - 5:17 pm

    Is Micky mouse in trouble? or is he going on line and staying focused there? http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intelligence/2013/04/05/media-journal-disney-bracing-for-further-layoffs/ Id watch the movement of the top 71 before Id spend any money...just saying

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netApril 08, 2013 - 11:04 am

    French student poster. In English, "I participate, you participate, he participates, we participate, you participate...they profit." http://lithgow-schmidt.dk/sherry-arnstein/ladder-of-citizen-participation.html#d0e132

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netApril 25, 2013 - 1:54 pm

    Tulsa group fears UN's Agenda 21 is assault on personal rights http://tinyurl.com/cyd6s6d

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netApril 25, 2013 - 1:58 pm

    Agenda 21 views differ: Is it a plan for sustainable development or world domination? "Teegarden said things such as PlaniTulsa, a comprehensive plan developed over more than a year with input from residents, and form-based codes, which put less emphasis on a property's use and more on building design and placement on a lot, are dangerous and being forced on a largely unwitting citizenry. "http://tinyurl.com/cupfgwd

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMay 02, 2013 - 12:09 pm

    We have several federal forest people in Pollock--a couple neighbors said they were hiking and ran into a couple and were treated like criminals while hiking--Why are they here? Several are staying at one of the hotels...my family wants to know if they should take my ten yr old grandson hiking at all this summer--they dont want him scared...any one know any thing?

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netJune 03, 2013 - 8:21 am

    I would like to thank CEDAPP for the huge tourist sign now gracing our space...the bight royal blueFILE NUMBER: S12-0001/CEDAPP Pollock Pines Off-Premise Advertising Sign APPLICANT: Community Economic Development Association of Pollock Pines (CEDAPP) AGENT: Jeanne Harper PROPERTY OWNER: Evan Bell REQUEST: Special Use Permit to allow the construction of a lighted off-premise advertising sign consisting of a single wooden face 15 feet by 6.6 feet with a total sign area of 87 square feet in size and a total height of 9 feet. LOCATION: On the east side of Sly Park Road, at the intersection with Pony Express Trail, in the Pollock Pines area, Supervisorial District "Background: The Community Economic Development Association of Pollock Pines (CEDAPP) is requesting an off-premise sign. CEDAPP is an organization dedicated to preserving the heritage of Pollock Pines and to developing and maintaining an environment that will improve the economic prosperity of the Pollock Pines community and enhance the quality of life of its citizens." This is not a community board by color--royal blue is a visitor sign. More and more blue signs are appearing--or regular signs have new "blue" outlines. although the sign is made well...it is ugly--it is a government neutral sign. The new store coming in was told (recommended) to have greens and browns...and smaller--come on--people wake up. I understand there is a small charge to have an event put up--who gets the money? "Off-premise signs, or billboards, are rentable space that can be leased for commercial speech (advertising) or noncommercial speech (political or other). There are 1st Amendment implications to review the content of signs. Therefore the proposed content, including the text, the color and style of lettering, and the amount or type of art are generally not considered or evaluated by the County. Only the size, height, and materials of the structure and sign itself are evaluated in context of this Special Use Permit review." So Harper what will be on the next bill board? DESIGN--interesting concept--when a group keeps claiming to be protecting our "heritage"

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netJune 03, 2013 - 8:28 am

    1st amendment--Harper I can put any political thing up that I like--THANKS "up--who gets the money? "Off-premise signs, or billboards, are rentable space that can be leased for commercial speech (advertising) or noncommercial speech (political or other). There are 1st Amendment implications to review the content of signs. Therefore the proposed content, including the text, the color and style of lettering, and the amount or type of art are generally not considered or evaluated by the County." So, when Im ready to put up what I want--who gets the money? or do I Tape it to the bill board? You messed up Harper--never give an artist a venue to speak up (shaking head.)

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  • Fran DuChampJune 28, 2013 - 9:30 am

    The Monday night "visioning" meeting in Pollock Pines had a twist...Ms Santiago respond to do a different type of meeting for our community. People in Pollock can come up with questions, present them to one of our elected supervisor...and she will try to bring up the best person to answer our questions. First meeting will be asking how we can address crime and drugs in our neighborhoods...as well as the drinking and driving on the rise up here. We are not afraid of our government and welcome the Sheriff to come up and respond to our concerns. The following letter went out after the meeting...and I for one thank Ms. Santiago for listening to maybe a solution that will work for us. The general plan calls for people input--but up in...some groups went in a different direction. Other issues that may come up...speed limits raising, sidewalks...design guidelines being produced for a county wide baseline. Already some are fighting this new idea--why? Dear All: First, thank you for being willing to serve on the Pollock Pines Advisory Council. The council concept was part of a process to provide organized priorities from the community, created by the community, to be communicated to the county like the Community Economic Development Advisory Committee, the Board of Supervisors, and the Community Development Agency, on issues that would affect the community in the General Plan; Commercial and Multi-family, within the context of Community Id, and a broader vision for community design and planning. Monday's community meeting provided great insight into an alternative approach for solving issues and we are very happy to implement what the community feels is best. In that order, Supervisor Santiago will hold off on further visioning processes, effectively putting the process that was progressing on hold, disbanding the council, and will instead coordinate presentations by authorities from the county on specific issues each fourth Monday at the community center. The first community meeting of this type will be on July 22nd with Sheriff D'Agostini and Lt. Dreher to speak on public safety, from 6pm - 8pm. Supervisor Santiago asked those gathered Monday evening to provide a list of issues in priority so that we can schedule future speakers. We encourage your continued participation, and, again, thank you so much for always being a part of the solution. Sincerely, Judi McCallum Assistant to Supervisor Norma Santiago District V County of El Dorado

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  • EvelynJune 28, 2013 - 10:33 am

    I would like to commend Supervisor Santiago for her sensible, gracious and diplomatic response to public input at Monday's Pollock Pines meeting.

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  • Fran DuChampJune 28, 2013 - 11:51 am

    I thought it was a great job or the supervisors side--however with some at the first table going against the idea--makes one wonder--do they think Ms. Santiago can not do her part? Or that the Sheriff cant do his? People keep saying that Camino cant come--Ms Santiago has now invited them..all the supervisors can come. It is three supervisors who watch over Pollock Pines...they are elected...they can do their jobs. And we love the Sheriff up here--I voted for him. where I live--if I call the law enforcement--they come...I dont understand why some are saying they dont? I think the idea is great--a "real"" good old fashion town meeting (wasnt my idea--nor the person who volunteered to coordinate the first one)), another person who volunteered to coordinate, and is helping on a list that are of concern. Each time a different person can facilitate--even supervisors or as in the Sheriffs case--he may want to. People keep quoting 300 people--this is the number that showed up to say "no" to the homeless shelter. I have no idea how many will be there. lolol...it was not my idea, I am not a coordinator or a facilitator...and the list of questions for that meeting coming up are not mine. WHAT will be interesting is who will come--because now it is the Sheriff and not a group giving answers. I hope people allow his mother to come...or any relatives--although they do not live in Pollock. I welcome any one--as far as I am concerned--Pollock Pines has not closed it doors to the world.

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  • Fran DuChampJune 28, 2013 - 12:10 pm

    Children live in all three areas--under these three supervisors--are these people, who will not let Camino participate claiming the children s parents within this district have no right to come? These people who pay taxes. It is very interesting...not all Camino kids go to Camino school--boundaries are interesting up here--my kids went to El dorado and Pinewood--although we lived on Camp Snowline in Camino. There is also a person who comes--is quiet spoken, lives in Camino--owns a cabin in Pollock and has designed a few of our buildings--(which means working here) that keeps getting question about why she comes...I would say she has a lot vested in our community--more than most. Many people from Camino shop here--use the library--work here...questions? ummmmmmmmm

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  • FranAugust 02, 2013 - 7:51 am

    POLLOCK PINES: We chose town meetings over advisory boards...I have sent this email to many and will keep sending it out...come support the kids. It has been decided that the Aug meeting will be about the EID work being done on Forebay and the Baseball field. Please tell everyone you know that has ever been involved with the field to come. I would like to see the field left alone...Im hoping for someone to lease the field to them...and for community to support the Snowline boards and to add new members for fresh ideas. I hope the community will support the board in much needed fixing...but allow the group to continue with its own governance to support the children. I would not like to see that area become a public park...there is room for expansion of the league...allow and help the league to do this. Many have asked for a second larger field--it can be added...horseshoes and baseball are "fine"--dont take that away from them. 4th Monday will be Aug 26th--I will start really pushing this in a week...I have already sent out 100 emails--we shall see. Fall ball will be starting soon--let these people move on to the prep of this...lets give them something to move forward with. There are no blind copies of this. I always believe in being up-front. We are a small town--and politics have people talking about people behind their backs. We have boards for different groups--Presidents that have been elected--we have to honor that. Fran

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  • Fran DuchampSeptember 25, 2013 - 10:40 am

    "... the county has invited it's own Community VIP person for each area of the county in order to create community I.D. (Jeanie Harper was invited from Pollock Pines to be your VIP person)." Jeanne Harper lied to our community...she brought in manipulation of facts. she wrote an article on a meeting--she wasnt even at. She has had meetings to the side of the community without the communities in put. she has known about events ahead of time--and failed to tell a whole community. Monday is a meeting at the BOS about zoning..they have picked Harper as our VIP? There are many important people up here--that either started Pollock Pines or belong to their families. The community did not know about the blue sign (9-10) is not a community. The community did not know about the GPS maps all over town. The community did not know about the New Parks and trails master report (9 people is not a community) We did not elect Harper to represent our wishes. We have three supervisors who are not listening to us. Harper and her organization are not the whole community. Our community voted against advisory boards...we voted against what Harper wanted for a "vision" statement. Did our supervisors miss that? Harper does not represent me. I never voted for her--because their was never an election. Why do we vote any more? We have three supervisors in Pollock Pines--and not one of them is trying to stop Harper, CEDAPP Maryanne,CEDAC. So much for listening to the people.

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  • Fran DuchampSeptember 25, 2013 - 12:02 pm

    April 15, 2010 "Jeanne Harper would like to be included in the Community input meetings for the master plan." (meeting about parks and trails) The Master Plan Advisory Committee (MPAC) met on three separate occasions to provide suggestions and review progress at key points in the process. The first MPAC meeting was held on March 16, 2011. May 19, 2011 (meeting about parks and trails) "...There were four workshops in April held in Greenwood, Diamond Springs and Pollock Pines." Parks and trails master plan draft Master Plan DEC 2011 Part of the Advisory Committee: Jeanne Harper, Community Economic Development Association of Pollock Pines. "Pollock Pines Workshop The workshop at the Pollock Pines/Camino Community Center was attended by nine people. Given the small number of attendees (nine), the workshop was structured as an interactive discussion about park opportunities, issues, and priorities" El Dorado County Final Parks and Trails Master Plan March 27, 2012 : The nine people decided that..."The County‐owned 26‐acre site is projected to be very expensive to build as planned because of the terrain. Maybe it should only be used for trails, picnic areas, vault restrooms, etc. that aren’t so expensive to build. It could then also function as a place for travelers to pull off U.S. Highway 50 for an extended picnic break and draw people into town for shopping, gas, etc. Alternatively, could the County sell the parcel and use the proceeds for other projects in the area?" The community did not know of these meetings...if a responsible advisory person looks around and sees only nine people --they cancel and try to get the word out. Unless...did they only want nine?

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  • On and OnSeptember 25, 2013 - 3:12 pm

    Have you ever voiced your concerns with Santiago. That could be a place to start. I don't believe she reads the comments online. Maybe you can be the GoTo person. Between elected officials and the community.

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  • Fran DuchampSeptember 25, 2013 - 3:32 pm

    I did go to Santiago...Ray Nutting, and Mr. Veercamp. I have sent letters. Voiced my opinion at meetings. A group of us voted for no more advisory board nomination meetings or "visioning s". I have gone before the board pointing out flyers for a variety of things were not put out in time for a variety of meetings--but I brought the flyer for one (I wonder if Rotary knows she blamed them for being part of the problem the flyers didnt get out--its recorded at a BOS meeting)) But thank for for your suggestions. I have voiced my opinions of non profits up here to Mr Harn. " Maybe you can be the GoTo person. Between elected officials and the community." Interesting statement--sounds familiar. I just want people to be honest with the community for a change. I dont run the town meetings that we have now...nor does Harper...and they have been a huge success--some of us are there to make sure it is balanced information. I like people--i like Ms.Santiago...she knows how I feel. What did Judy say....the "visioning" is going to happen...just a matter who stands up--at the time several of us at a meeting with Santiago voted against this visioning s and against advisory boards...so I thought it was strange to hear the comment. The meetings brought by Harper were based on lies and manipulations. We have one meeting recorded where she wrote an article and wasnt even there. she wrote the article about the Sheriff meeting--she had nothing to do with that...but managed to get in a plug for her items--cert and parks and trails.

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  • On and OnSeptember 25, 2013 - 5:15 pm

    My suggestion was more for putting out information on what is happening around the area. Do you realize not everyone reads this. To even know there are meetings now. Where are the flyers? Looking back over the previous comments this seems more of a personal situation rather than a public problem. Hope you find what you are looking for.

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  • Fran DuchampSeptember 25, 2013 - 7:43 pm

    There are flyers...posts ...blogs...more and more are becoming aware. More people started coming to the meetings. You can think what you like--I have never said to believe as I do. I just present two sides.. The last meeting for the field had 129 people...word is getting out that not everything is what it seems. More and more documentation is being put together behind the scenes. There is more than just me :) Im just the loud one. The softer voices have more power. Again thank you for the suggestions. You are welcome to come to any town meetings...the fourth one is being worked on now. Come to the meeting on the 30th at the BOS--should be a good one. As far as personal--like I hate the person "Harper"--nope--I do not like the "public" Harper or the group she set up in town--that has created much havoc and fighting. Big difference. You will see people hate a "public" figure...and not really mention them personally. In my opinion Harper is not representing the whole community at all. It is a small group of people that have decided what they feel should happen in Pollock Pines...and that group keeps getting smaller.

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  • Fran DuchampNovember 17, 2013 - 9:26 am

    Many of us do not want an advisory board here in Pollock...we chose to have the people who know the answer come on up. I want to thank the El Dorado Employees who have come here to talk to us. And to the groups who have been nice enough to share another side of an issue. Thank-you. These Town hall meetings have been done to show two sides of an discussion. Where the other meetings people were guided to an end. We have presented two different ways of thinking about an issue. Our last meeting we invited the county and the groups fighting back on some issues. Unfortunately...some chose not to listen to both sides. Hopefully now they are watching other Town hall meetings invite the same people, and they are listening to both. When two different groups get to talk--people can come to a more "educated" decision. The last meeting of the year...Sheriff, CHP, and Fire Dept. Ms Santiago herself worked with us to bring as much information as possible. her office arranged for some of the people you asked for to come up. On Zoning..the BOS said they had made a mistake with Pollock PInes/ Camino...and will correct it. We still have people who want more...they need to go to BOS meetings then. Town hall meetings are taking a break for the holidays. Please come to our last meeting. Again, Thank you for coming to the ones you have. and no I was not in charge of any of them... we had a neutral presenter. And if one goes back over the meetings--one will find...he never injected his personal feelings. Just ran a meeting inside a time frame.

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