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Ray Nutting: DA’s Sect. 8 letter now public

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From page A1 | August 23, 2013 | 44 Comments

An article last week referenced a letter that  District Attorney Vern Pierson sent to the El Dorado County Board of Supervisors in late July. At the time, the Mountain Democrat had not received a copy of that letter and therefore had to speculate to some extent about its exact contents.

The letter, in part, described Pierson’s concerns regarding allegations that in 2010, District 2 Supervisor Ray Nutting had attempted to become an eligible landlord under the federal Section 8 housing assistance program. As an elected official who represents the county on the housing authority board, Nutting was not eligible to participate in that program.

Pierson’s office explained that the letter was addressed only to Board Chairman Ron Briggs and thus was not necessarily intended to become public. DA staff advised that Briggs and/or the board should determine whether or not the document warranted public disclosure. The Mountain Democrat’s request for a copy of the letter was eventually routed through the County Counsel’s Office. A determination was made that the letter could be made public, and deputy county counsel Paula Frantz faxed the two-page letter last Friday.

Although the letter shows that copies of the original were also sent to Chief Administrative Officer Terri Daly, Nutting’s attorney David Weiner, County Counsel Ed Knapp, and to Supervisors Norma Santiago, Brian Veerkamp and Ron Mikulaco, it is indeed addressed solely to “Chairman Briggs.”

Pierson’s letter  relates that during the third week of July, “our office discovered that District II Supervisor Nutting applied to be certified for Public Housing (Section 8), Housing and Urban Development (HUD) as a landlord for property he owns in El Dorado County.”

Due to a “statutory conflict of interest,” Pierson notes that “county staff correctly rejected his request.”

The DA then describes Nutting’s alleged follow-up, saying the supervisor “used his position to appeal this denial to the then director of HHS. (Daniel Nielson was the director of the county’s Department of Human Services at the time. It is now the Health and Human Services Agency.) Supervisor Nutting then, on county official letterhead, … sent a letter to the regional HUD director seeking a waiver of an obvious conflict of interest. It appears this waiver was never granted under federal law,” Pierson wrote, and added that no such waiver exists under state law.

Pierson told Briggs that he was expressing his concerns so that the chairman “can take the actions you consider appropriate” and concludes, “Given the pending charges and this new information and Supervisor Nutting’s seemingly cavalier attitude toward conflicts of interest, I felt an obligation to advise the board.”

Because Nutting has requested and obtained a postponement of his case, Pierson advises that the case is likely “to go on for a long time.”

Contact Chris Daley at 530-344-5063 or cdaley@mtdemocrat.net. Follow @CDaleyMtDemo

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  • George WashingtonAugust 22, 2013 - 11:33 am

    Ok, so where's the letter?

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  • Fran DuchampAugust 22, 2013 - 8:08 pm

    Well Gorge that is a good question..

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  • cookie65August 23, 2013 - 5:10 am

    He said, she said? Somehow this story makes me question the motive of the letter. Was there a crime committed or just a request for something Ray was ineligible for? Even if it was multiple requests, that doesn't make it a crime. So if the DA can't actually charge him with a crime he has to settle for a good smear.

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  • AmusedAugust 23, 2013 - 7:21 am

    Its looking like there are some problems with this case so Pierson has to do something to deflect the heat from what is really starting to look like a politically motivated caper that should be very close to a statute of limitations expiration. He will probably arrange for Kerr to be fired, making him look like he was mis-lead and he will diligently work to correct the problem. Kerr should have been fired long ago but she was useful to key people. Now she is nothing more then a poster child for expensive, corrupt, unresponsive local government. EDC would be well advised to send the DA out the same door Kerr exits.Last year the Amador County DA's office insisted on felony trials for two subjects when there wasn't enough probable cause to arrest. Both cases had a direct history of conflict with either Kerr, or the Police Chief. Both cases were immediately dropped to misdemeanors at trial by the judge. One was dismissed, the other found not guilty. At one trial the judge openly joked about the possibility of politics being involved in the prosecution. This is Pierson's alma-mater, where he learned how to do what he is now doing in EDC. And doing it with the same flawed individuals that were here.

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  • jimboyAugust 23, 2013 - 9:03 am

    did you here all the squirrels in El Dorado county quit eating nutts because they were all ing nutts

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  • 1036-FrankAugust 23, 2013 - 9:09 am

    Why is it important that Nutting was trying to get a 1400 a month section 8 govt. housing allowance? It shows a pattern of actions that show he was using his office, our public space and letterhead to try to enrich his personal income. He didn't stop trying to get the section 8 money until he went to the top of HUD. This should make a lot of people see the light and start connecting the dots with the Nuttin Gang. The other huge story that is being very little reported for some reason is the federal case against locals for the massive tax fraud that is slowly unfolding and all the players in this huge tax fraud are not exposed yet. You would think a local crime reporter would take this and run with it and see where it goes.

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  • James E.August 23, 2013 - 9:17 am

    Frank, we have no local crime reporters. We only have reporters who merely repeat what local law enforcement tells them.

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  • EvelynAugust 23, 2013 - 9:28 am

    How about the Mt. Democrat actually PUBLISHING the letter, rather than interpreting it for us?

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  • RailroadAugust 23, 2013 - 9:39 am

    1036 Frank you are right. It shows a pattern of guilt and abuse of power.Raymond Nutting has no ethical reasoning when it comes to grabbing State and Federal money.j

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  • EvelynAugust 23, 2013 - 9:59 am

    Railroad: The fact of asking for something through accepted channels that turns out to be prohibited is NOT proof of guilt; it is only proof of not knowing the applicable regulation. Any of us could ask for a great many different things, only to learn they were VERBOTEN. Routinely citizen requests are denied by sundry departments. Should everyone who makes what turns out to be a failed request be prosecuted?

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  • George WashingtonAugust 23, 2013 - 11:03 am

    @Evelyn I would agree with your statement, except for the fact that Ray knew he was ineligible before he ever applied. He admitted as much. Even knowing this, he continued to push for an additional two weeks, then sent a request for a waiver on county letterhead. If this was truly to help someone in need, why not just help her, without getting reimbursed by the government? Not to mention the $1400 a month he was seeking seems quite high for a property in Grizzly Flat.

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  • cookie65August 23, 2013 - 11:06 am

    James, we don't have a national media interested in journalism either. We only have reporters who read what ever the White house tells them.

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  • George WashingtonAugust 23, 2013 - 11:10 am

    @cookie What relevance does this have to the topic we are discussing?

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  • Jeffrey ScottAugust 23, 2013 - 11:13 am

    I don't like the first paragraph of this article. It states, "At the time, the Mountain Democrat had not received a copy of that letter and therefore had to speculate to some extent about its exact contents. Sounds like the Democrat got a copy of FAUX Noise's playbook: We don't know anything, so we'll make some stuff up.

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  • EvelynAugust 23, 2013 - 12:32 pm

    George: Requesting waivers is not uncommon and certainly is not a punishable offense. The responsibility for correctly responding to a requested waiver lies with the authority/department/jurisdiction in question. I have no idea whether the requested $1,400 was high or low. But it seems the matter was dealt with when the waiver was denied.

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  • George WashingtonAugust 23, 2013 - 12:59 pm

    @Evelyn No, it's not a punishable offense, hence the reason he's not being prosecuted. However, it does establish the lengths he will go to to collect public money. If you choose to ignore that, that's your prerogative, but the public is absolutely entitled to know about it. No one has yet answered why, if he was so desperate to help this woman, did he not just lower the rent. He's certainly not a low income individual himself.

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  • RailroadAugust 23, 2013 - 6:59 pm

    I got my letter from a guy who knows a guy who has a cousin........

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  • The TenantAugust 23, 2013 - 7:06 pm

    This is crazy. I rented the place from Ray right after he built it. it was $1,500. This other lady was able to pay $1,400 after me but she was only able to do it because she got most of it from the Gov., and she asked Ray if he could do that so he asked. Then after they said no he asked are you sure. That was the end of it. What is the big deal. This is insane!

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  • 1036-FrankAugust 23, 2013 - 8:27 pm

    In 2010 when the real estate foreclosure wave was at a peak and unemployment went to 20% there probably wasn't a rent in GF anywhere near 1400-1500 a month, if someone has proof show it. People know GF is remote and doesn't have a lot of services, people could move to town and pay far less and not drive the extra 20 miles in for 1400 a month. Nuttin tried to say he knew he couldn't get the section 8 waiver for govt. rent payments but he tried anyway why? his actions showed the opposite, he used the county letterhead to try to do it and didn't stop until a top level HUD employee told him the same thing he was told at the county level. What it proves is he tried to use his elected office for an attempt at personal gain with a very suspect rent and circumstance that people aren't buying.

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  • The TenantAugust 23, 2013 - 10:44 pm

    You must have an axe to grind Frank. If the issue was that a Supervisor could not receive Sec 8 money, than if he did not use Supervisor letterhead you would have said he was hiding the fact that he was a Supervisor. He asked, he asked if they were sure, then dropped it. Your just sour grapes.

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  • Walking TallAugust 23, 2013 - 11:45 pm

    Just because Ray says it doesn't make it so ie: Ray says he is fourth generation logger, resident, etc. truth: Ray is forth generation liar.... Ray says he didn't use his position to obtain money,; Truth Ray is forth generation liar. Ray says he had nuttin to do with measure F; Truth: Ray is forth generation liar. See a pattern here, look at all he has done and said and realize he was not born here so he is a fourth generation liar.

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  • Fran DuchampAugust 24, 2013 - 8:43 am

    1040-frank...the foowing site will show what government in 2010 would look at for rent price estimations. Outside of HUD--rents would be more expensive--many times land owners are not aware of the surveys done each year. some landlords will do major remodeling--and up the rents to reflect these improvements. If the unit has a good size yard--rents go up. Lots of variables.. There is data for everything...well almost. We cant seem to find this "letter" being referenced. http://www.huduser.org/datasets/fmr/fmrs/fy2010_code/2010summary.odn?inputname=METRO40900M40900*El%20Dorado%20County&data=2010&fmrtype=Final.

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  • Fran DuchampAugust 24, 2013 - 8:46 am

    Sorry Frank here is a tiny url for the data...hope it works. http://tinyurl.com/kys79cr

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  • agent provocateurAugust 24, 2013 - 9:56 am

    Vern Pierson is a whack job

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  • Yosemite SamAugust 24, 2013 - 3:54 pm

    "The tenant" Learn to spell correctly before you publish something. It makes you look as dumb as Nuttin thinks we are. He's a crook and we all know it!!

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  • EDH MomsAugust 24, 2013 - 4:50 pm

    Nutting clearly knows how "to work the system" and bamboozle any officials with his title to get what he's after....his share of EDC's moolah! Does he report all these "bonus" bucks on his taxes? Is this his "yearly bonus"....all of the rest of us EDC citizens have to do things through the proper channels.....and hope we get our requests approved. I would prefer a mayor that is "all hands" rather than a Supervisor that "is all hands" with our county's money. With today's economy we have all had to sacrifice - The Governor has cut so many important programs. I guess Nutting has the "inside" on where and when he can drain our county. Tell me Nutting....did you really think you could get away with it? I visualize your cocky smirk every time I read more and more about your calculated financial retirement planning schemes. Do you have a financial planning licence yet? Because you are great at turning your yearly income into tax free dough! As for Pierson.....who carse who and which DA......just get this sucka to pay back this county!

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  • Psycho DAAugust 24, 2013 - 6:52 pm

    "El Dorado County Politics: Psycho DA on a Rampage, Victim hosts successful fundraiser" Placer CRA Editorial Board http://www.rightondaily.com/

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  • Fran DuchampAugust 24, 2013 - 6:59 pm

    Psycho DA...too funny thanks for the laughs...lololol

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  • EvelynAugust 25, 2013 - 7:48 am

    Though Psycho DA's pseudonym is a bit off-putting his article is an interesting change of pace. HERE

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  • Fair TrialAugust 25, 2013 - 9:01 am

    The closing paragraph of this article says that Nutting "has requested and obtained a postponement of his case..." Not sure that's the whole story. He has filed a motion to dismiss the indictment. Evelyn posted a link to that document on another thread. Have not seen any reporting on the subject by the Mt. Democrat. It's not light reading, but what I have read is persuasive. I don't pretend to know all the facts, but sure seems that there must be some other motivation behind the case...politics the likely culprit.

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  • MarthaAugust 25, 2013 - 9:04 am

    Why Evelyn, I don't think it's a change of pace at all. It seems to me it's jess the same old cowards and defenders of Ray tootin' their horns an' tryin' to confuse the real issue. Of course, I may be wrong, since I'm jess as dumb as a bag o' hammers. I'm gonna go stick my head in the oven now....Fare thee welll!

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  • James E.August 25, 2013 - 9:11 am

    Martha, don't you have an electric oven?

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  • MarthaAugust 25, 2013 - 9:32 am

    (◣_◢) .................... George likes gas

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  • EvelynAugust 25, 2013 - 9:47 am

    Here's that link Fair Play references. Reading the voluminous documents remains on my TO DO List. Maybe the Mt. Dem. could give it a quick scan to see if "the other side" has anything worth reporting on.

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  • Fran DuchampAugust 25, 2013 - 9:56 am

    Thanks Miss .I have read some of these docs Evelyn--hopefully the others will as well.

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  • Fran DuchampAugust 25, 2013 - 10:06 am

    I am putting up a reminder for our meeting on Monday. Please come early to come through town...we now have ugly shadow boxes with GPS mapping to our businesses. One on the building of Safeway...cross the street--one on CVS...go to the small "park" in front of the CVS strip mall on Pony...someone said there were two more there. We have the big ugly blue guide sign with lights now...and a banner. Please dont run...continue on to the meeting--some of us still care about the everyday life going on. It is not the government that is making Pollock "Urban"--it is Harper. CEDAPP and CEDAC are bringing "urbanization" ...listen to what their ideas are. TOWN HALL MEETING Monday, August 26th at 6:00pm Pollock Pines Camino Community Center RE: E.I.D. Forebay Lake Update, Snowline Little League Ball Park Update, Horseshoe Pit Update, Parks & Recreation Update including El Dorado County’s possible purchase of property, Sanders Drive “proposed park” update. Meeting includes Q&A session with El Dorado Co. Officials

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  • James E.August 25, 2013 - 10:21 am

    Who pays Ms. Harper's salary? And where does he/she/organization get their money to pay her? Surely Ms. Harper is not disrupting Pollock Pines free of charge? Follow the money.

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  • Fran DuchampAugust 25, 2013 - 10:55 am

    James from the CDAPP Facebook: Community Economic Development Association of Pollock Pines - CEDAPP August 22 CEDAPP is proud to announce the installation of six business directories for Pollock Pines! Did you know that there are 81 storefront businesses located in Pollock Pines?! The business directories are intended to inform the public, visitors and residents alike, of the kinds of businesses that we have and where they are located. Three of them are hung outdoors at Safeway, CVS, and the Judy Morgan Park kiosk. Three more will be hung indoors undercover at Crystalview station, the visitor center at Pizza factory, and in one of the kiosks at the entrance of Sly Park recreation area/Jenkinson Lake. Additionally, there will be 11 x 17 handouts available at most businesses in order that they can be given to visitors or residents who may inquire if there are certain businesses in town and where they might be. Staying true to the spirit of CEDAPP, these directories have been created and installed at no cost to any business in Pollock Pines, giving TO the businesses without taking FROM the businesses. And additional feature of the business directories is that by using the queue code on the sign anyone will have direct access to the CEDAPP website where any business is welcome to have a link directly back to their own website. For more information on that feature, call 530 613-1332.

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  • Fran DuchampAugust 25, 2013 - 11:00 am

    If the shadow box GPS map has the CEDAPP mark--those businesses and/or nonprofits are favoring one non profit over another...unless all nonprofits can now put up their own shadow boxes...maybe soon we will be a place of shadow boxes...reflecting what we used to be. I am surprised at some of these places allowing this. EID is usually neutral in everything. They own Sly Park. I have no problem with the map...it is the CEDAPP mark.

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  • Fran DuchampAugust 25, 2013 - 11:05 am

    Harper: "Finally, CEDAPP thanks the following people who were instrumental in making these directories a reality: Jose Crummett (El Dorado County GIS Specialist), Keith Wills (Western Signs), Bill and Trish Tratos (Spot On Signs) and the business owners that have allowed the signs to be located on their property. And without the continuing advice and input from the community that is always invited and welcome to attend CEDAPP meetings, these would not be a collaboration to be celebrated! Thank you to all who helped in their production".Well this is correct..."And without the continuing advice and input from the community" I did not know about this either. One is only entitled to the information if you go to CEDAPP meetings or you are on their newsblast email...Community--really?

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  • agent provocateurAugust 25, 2013 - 11:32 am

    News story - El Dorado County Politics: Psycho DA on a Rampage, Victim hosts successful fundraiser http://www.rightondaily.com/2013/08/el-dorado-county-politics-psycho-da-on-a-rampage/comment-page-1/#comment-12669

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  • Fran DuchampAugust 25, 2013 - 11:42 am

    LOOK AT THE COMMENTS TO THIS ARTICLE....agent provocateurAugust 25, 2013 - 11:32 am News story - El Dorado County Politics: Psycho DA on a Rampage, Victim hosts successful fundraiser http://www.rightondaily.com/2013/08/el-dorado-county-politics-psycho-da-on-a-rampage/comment-page-1/#comment-12669

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  • Not amused...August 25, 2013 - 9:39 pm

    I went back and read the August 14 article about this letter. It's full of direct quotes...and describes in detail the content of attachments. Now you say you didn't have the letter...Three options: 1) You had the letter; 2) Someone read it to you; 3) You made up the quotes. Explanation is needed...

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  • Walking TallNovember 14, 2013 - 6:52 am

    Bottom line is Ray won't admit anything and that is the real story behind Ray; deny, lie, scam, steal, abuse power and position.. Loose Ray Forever

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