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From page A1 | May 19, 2011 | 61 Comments

The air in the El Dorado County Supervisors Chambers Tuesday was virtually blue with all the dirty words flying in both directions — from the audience and from members of the board.

“Big, intrusive government, globalism, socialism, greed and claim-jumping, United Nations Agenda 21, Sustainable Development,” were all used to describe what began as a Consent Agenda item authorizing the chief administrative officer to sign a memorandum of understanding with the Sacramento Area Council of Governments. SACOG is a consortium of cities and counties surrounding and including Sacramento County. El Dorado County has been a member of SACOG for many years.

At issue is whether the county wants to be included along with the rest of the organization as a recipient of part of a U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development Regional Planning Grant.

As described in a letter to CAO Terri Daly from SACOG Chief Executive Director Mike McKeever, “The grant is a central element of the new Partnership for Sustainable Communities between the Department of Transportation, Environmental Protection Agency and HUD.”

“SACOG will be using the award to partially fund the update of our Metropolitan Transportation Plan, which includes our region’s first Sustainable Communities Strategy as required under SB 375,”  the letter continues.

Senate Bill 375 is commonly known as the “Greenhouse Gas Emissions” law whose goal is “to reduce greenhouse gas emissions from cars and light trucks. In addition to connecting regional planning processes, SB 375 will make it easier for communities to build housing and transportation choices. SB 375 does not change any local government land use authority,” according to a SACOG Website posting.

Terms of the grant require that in order to participate, individual jurisdictions must sign a “Memorandum of Understanding” with SACOG and its members that would create a “Regional Consortium,” which then would participate in the work of the grant, the posting notes.

El Dorado County District 2 Supervisor Ron Briggs lit the first fuse of the day when he explained why he had taken the item off the consent agenda, which opened it to general and public discussion.

“Most of us in El Dorado County are independent cusses and like taking care of ourselves, but big government is a hammer hanging over us. I intend to vote ‘no’ on this,” Briggs said. “It’s supplanting local control over land use and a perpetuation of submission to greater government. It may be inevitable but it’s just wrong,” he challenged.

John Knight of District 1 and the board’s representative at SACOG  tried to mellow the atmosphere by countering Briggs’ assertion.

“SACOG does not undermine our local land use, and not participating in what’s going on in the region is dangerous. I don’t think we’re losing anything by participating,” Knight said.

Part of the perceived “danger” includes limiting or losing revenue from federal “pass- through highway gas taxes” that accrue to the county by complying with SB 375, and Supervisor Jack Sweeney reminded the board, quoting Supervisor Norma Santiago’s oft-noted axiom that, “If you’re not at the table, you risk being part of the meal.”

Board Chairman Ray Nutting then opened the discussion to the public and unleashed a floodgate of invective and suspicion. The board chambers were packed with people who often speak to the board from a conservative perspective and one or two from the other side of the aisle.

Dena Freeman, representing Tea Party in the Hills, quoted her father, saying, “If you make money in the wrong way you’re a whore,” as an indictment on remaining with SACOG just for the money.

Judy Mathat referred to the issue of “Sustainable Development” as a platform in a larger United Nations effort to subvert American freedoms and property rights under its “Agenda 21.”

She further urged the board to “get out of all federal and regional organizations.”

Laurel Stroud noted ramifications of adhering to SB 375 as “encouraging high density growth and reduced CEQA regulations” and called SACOG a “cookie cutter (approach) to an overpopulated El Dorado County.”

Enthusiastic applause followed nearly every speaker.

Mary Dankhe cited several items from the MOU, “social justice, climate change, sustainable development” as being “anti-property rights.”

“I’d like to see El Dorado County embrace sustainable freedom instead of sustainable development,” she concluded to sustained applause.

Melody Lane of Coloma likened SACOG to a “gateway to socialism” and sustainable development as “a highway to globalism,” while Leonard Stroud advised the board that “just saying no doesn’t hurt; start now.”

Leonard Stroud also described Tuesday’s event saying, “I’ve seen a stream of people who are tired of being … pushed around by the United Nations.”

Supervisor Santiago asked whether the county risked giving up control over land use by its connection with SACOG, and Knight told her emphatically, “No.” However she asked again “if anything from SACOG is opposed to our interests?”

County Counsel Lou Green assured her that “the county reserves the right to govern land use” and later clarified that the MOU or contract allows participation but does not bind the county to everything in it. “It’s not creating an entity but provides cooperation,” Green said.

After nearly two hours of debate and discussion, supervisors voted unanimously to have the matter tabled pending a future formal presentation from representatives of SACOG and some of its member organizations. The date was later set for June 14.

E-mail Chris Daley at cdaley@mtdemocrat.net or call 530-344-5063.

 

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  • Judy MathatMay 20, 2011 - 8:11 am

    You snooze, you lose. Most of the population has been snoozing for over 30 years. I told the board the story of "How to catch wild pigs" and we are all being fed the free corn of the socialist agenda. Pretty soon the gate will close and we will frantically run around trying to get out and then eventually apathy will settle back in to the "free foods" and we will be caught in the pen of short sided and unbelieving citizens who will satisfy themselves with government "corn" (entitlements). If the board would read the document I gave them on the agenda of the United Nations to change world government then not only will we "be at the table for the meal we will be the meal" fed by government "corn" and the supes will be figureheads in name only and regionalism will supercede any of their decisions based on the requirements of SB 375 and AB 32 and if anyone thinks they have their property rights in tact now and are not being effected by Agenda 21 or Sustainable Communities idealogy then they better look closely again to how our General Plan and land use regulatory laws are written.

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  • Melody LaneMay 20, 2011 - 10:35 am

    For the record below is the exact content of my public comments submitted to the BOS: Melody Lane – President of Citizens Organized to Monitor Protect And Serve The Preamble of the CA Brown Act dovetails perfectly with the mission of COMPAS and my purpose for being here today. It reads: “The people, in delegating authority, do NOT give their public servants the right to decide what is good for the people to know and what is NOT good for them to know. The people do NOT yield their sovereignty to the bodies that serve them. The people insist on remaining informed to retain control over the legislative bodies they have created.” The mission of COMPAS is to sustain the high quality of life in El Dorado County, to educate residents and visitors while providing focused direction and assuring PROTECTION from the effects of UNMONITORED MANAGEMENT and a general degradation of the wonders and benefits of this historic county. After reviewing the SACOG Memorandum of Understanding I was reminded of Ronald Reagan’s maxim: Government is not the solution! It is evident the SACOG MOU is merely the blueprint for Sustainable Development, aka Agenda 21. Read that as “Big Government” of Global proportions. However when it comes to understanding Sustainable Development, it is estimated that 85% of the population are like oblivious red-legged frogs swimming in slowly boiling water. The general public has been gradually dumbed down via toxic propaganda supported by a matrix of left-leaning government “facilitators” trained to expertly arrive at predetermined consensus-based outcomes during public workshops. The BLM-Kanaka Valley meetings, Parks & Trails Master Plan and the Sierra Cascades Dialog are just a few examples of how such a collective mindset threatens to rob us of our liberties and precious freedoms. Thanks to Watchmen and Watchdogs sounding the alarm throughout the region, citizens are finally waking up to the reality that SACOG is the gateway to Socialism, and Socialism paves the highway to Globalism or Agenda 21. It’s now the eleventh hour, time for the BOS to wake up to their responsibilities as well. We the people do NOT yield our sovereignty or God-given rights to SACOG and therefore urge you to be part of the solution instead of the problem. Please vote NO on the SACOG MOU.

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  • BigJimMay 20, 2011 - 11:40 am

    Will Chicken Little translate her post for us not on the fringe?

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  • True PatriotApril 30, 2012 - 3:30 pm

    This is absolutely the UN agenda 21 (Global Elite)creeping its way into your property rights. People think this is conspiracy OR a joke, but it is not. These plans have been in the works for a very long time and tie right in with our economic downfall right now. There was a book called "None Dare Call it a Conspiracy" written about 40 years ago that it just as relevant today as it was back then. Another book to read or look at the Youtube videos for is "Behind the Green Mask", written by a local Santa Rosa forensic eminent domain appraiser. Stand for your rights!! We are not subject to the whims of the UN/IMF/World Bank/ Federal Reserve Banking Cartel money masters. Man made global warming is looking more and more like a complete scam to steal property rights an farms from individuals, while the giants prosper without penalty. (Like cap & trade) Meanwhile the real environmental damage goes unchecked. Enough!!! Ron Paul 2012! www.infowars.com

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  • True PatriotApril 30, 2012 - 3:35 pm

    Did that make sense to you Big Jim? People who don't get it will soon be the fringe.

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  • 1036-FrankApril 30, 2012 - 3:59 pm

    Interesting Mr. Knight being in favor of "High-Density" rezone as opposed by the people of the county and he is the rep for this Govt. socialized program that wants this "Cluster" housing with "Transporation Hubs" and all this tied to federal money as a threat will destory rural counties. This agenda is to be opposed if we are smart or we will soon be waving the Red flag with the sickle and hammer on it. This agenda must be first opposed by awareness then defeated by election this fall and anytime it is seen as we try to return to the country our parents left us and forefathers fought to establish.

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  • Wilfred MonahanApril 30, 2012 - 4:05 pm

    Wow, it is amazing and depressing to see that a tiny handful of screaming paranoid lunatics can effectively hijack the process and drag the county down. Can't our supervisors grow pair and tell these people they are just plain wrong?

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  • RebelApril 30, 2012 - 4:59 pm

    Vote Knight and Nutting out fast and no on SACOG, it's agenda 21 and stinks to high heaven.

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  • VoterApril 30, 2012 - 5:44 pm

    Wilfred Monahan, you'll be pleased to know that the supervisors routinely ignore anyone who doesn't conform to their agenda. Plenty of "pair" already there!

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  • True PatriotApril 30, 2012 - 5:53 pm

    Wilfred your in complete denial and offensive to ridicule people concerned about their rights. Socialism is the "freindly' path to global Oligarchy. Oligarchs love communism because it allows them to rule with an iron fist. This is UN Agenda 21, look it up. forgive these fine folks for not wanting to hand over their property rights to the Rockafellers and Rothschilds. We are not China even if our Saul Alinsky teaching president thinks we should be.

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  • Sam BarwattApril 30, 2012 - 10:33 pm

    True Patriot, thank you! That was some of the finest parody I have ever read. You truly captured the spirit of the pea-brained, dribbling ditto head! I laughed til I cried.

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  • True PatriotMay 01, 2012 - 10:56 am

    Sam, Did you have an actual position, or are you just making a very lame attempt at arbitrary ridicule because you worship the pop culture icon Obama? I assume that you think I am a Rush Limbaugh listener from your “dittohead” comment. I am no “dittohead” and Rush Limbaugh doesn’t touch real issues, he just parrots the left-right talking points like you probably do. He would never take on such issues as the private federal reserve banking cartel that is ruining our country (run mostly by foreign banks). He would never talk about these same banks being entrenched in the IMF, World Bank, International Bank of Settlements and the United Nations. He would never talk about how our economy is being intentionally imploded from a standpoint of who is really to blame (he would just blame it on those darn liberals). Rush is garbage media as is CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX, WSJ, ETC. Corporate bought and paid for propaganda. The truth is that austerity and bankster takeover is going on all over the world right now and we are no exception. Are you not paying attention? In Greece for example, the IMF gets their pound of flesh through doubling property taxes and cutting off power if people do not pay. Romney and Obama and the UN are all bank-owned. The only people still supporting Obama or Romney are uninformed neocons, brainwashed silver pony tails and pop-culture celebrity worshipers. Bahhhh Bahhhh wake up Sam, the rest of the herd is! Recommended Reading for Sam: Creature From Jekyl Island (also available on youtube video 12 part lecture) Crash Proof Saul Alinsky’s Rules For Radicals (Obama playbook) Griftopia End the Fed Revolution, a Menifesto Liberty Defined Behind the Green Mask None Dare Call it a Conspiracy

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  • True PatriotMay 01, 2012 - 11:12 am

    Recommended Reading for Sam: Creature From Jekyl Island (also available on youtube video 12 part lecture), Crash Proof Saul Alinsky’s Rules For Radicals (Obama playbook), Griftopia End the Fed, Revolution, a Menifesto, Liberty Defined, Behind the Green Mask, None Dare Call it a Conspiracy

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  • MikeMay 01, 2012 - 12:10 pm

    Hopefully we can all agree, that at a minimum, Mr. Knight needs to go away! Sounds like he IS the problem!

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  • RebelMay 01, 2012 - 1:33 pm

    Funny how we see the true colors of the BOS after they're exposed and how they want to change their story or refuse to comment on such maters. Being an alternate to SACOG is hard to deny Ray so don't try to beg out now your stance is just that. A true vote is needed in June and a true message must be sent to remove all current office holders from office and start over with honest candidates.

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  • Sam BarwattMay 01, 2012 - 2:03 pm

    True P- Thank you for the information. You are correct, of course. Rush is a nothing more than a mindless lackey of the shadowy conspiracy. For real, unbiased analysis you need to go to Glenn Beck! Thank you for putting a smile to my day. Your creativity knows no bounds.

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  • MikeMay 01, 2012 - 2:58 pm

    @True Patriot, I wouldn't waste your time with someone like Sam, he's not going to read anything you recommend anyway. Like Larry Elder says "Facts to a Liberal, are like cryptonite to Superman!" They don't want to hear any opinion that differs from their own. Anytime a Conservative tries to speak on a school campus, they are not allowed to. The Liberals all organize and shout them down, so no one can hear what they have to say. These are the people who are always standing behind the First Amendment, right? Is there any way us like minded people, and anyone else who wishes, to get together before the election, and talk about these issues? I know alot of my neighbors were stunned at what they heard last week at the meeting at Camino school. Please advise!

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  • SomeOfMyBestFriendsAreMay 01, 2012 - 4:04 pm

    FILL IN THE BLANK (Democrats, Independent, n/a Other, Republican, Tea Party) . . . . . . . . .. The house is burning down and we're all in it together, fighting over who should call the fire dept. And guess who wins? ANSWER: The arsonists. What we are doing meets their needs precisely. By fighting one another we are enablers. We must put aside petty squabbles and point scoring and work together to save the house. We all have questions. Together we can find answers superior to that of any one individual or group.

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  • True PatriotMay 01, 2012 - 4:26 pm

    Its ok Sam, go back to sleep. Everything will be ok and Obama, George Soros, Warren Buffet, Hillary Clinton, George Bush, Ben Bernanke, Tim Geithner, David Rockafeller and Goldman Sachs all love you and want what is best for you. Let’s have free everything for everybody….just let the Fed keep printing non-existing trillions to pay for it all ($16 trillion and counting)! They promise it won’t cause a dollar crisis/hyperinflation, and George Soros won’t short the dollar to make a $Billlion like he did with the British Pound. Keep watching Ted Turner’s CNN and Bill Maher, so you can feel informed and intellectual about your denial, and learn how to use smarmy pompous ridicule with no basis to fight facts. Obama promises he won’t dismantle our constitution, declare marshall law, sign the NDAA, renew the patriot act, allow drones on American soil or make protest a federal offense (oh wait he did those things already). Ok, he promises he won’t sign CISPA (right!) Homeland Security only bought 650 million rounds of .40 cal hollowpoint bullets, armoured highway checkpoint pillboxes and huge tank-like vehicles because they got a sweet deal on them. They don’t ever intend to use them. I have never watched Glenn Beck, but I can tell you the only guy on Fox that was honest (Judge Napolitano, is now gone). Apparently Rupert Murdoch thought he was too close to the truth. Stossel has a few good things to say. If you have trouble going back to sleep, you can go on the Huffington Post and talk with the other zombies about Obama’s latest appearance with Beyonce and JayZ , George Clooney, Oprah, or appearance on American Idol or Dancing with the stars and how our “POTUS” is doing such a great job, and everything will be great in the second term if that pesky congress would cooperate (funny how they all have no problem agreeing about turning us into a police state) . That will put anyone back to sleep. Or ….. you can be a man and fight for our children’s futures. You can wake up and chose to be a critical thinker and a patriot. You can pay attention, instead of swallowing everything the establishment feeds you. You can DO something instead of just hanging back and being a self-righteous smartass establishment hack. I will leave you with a great video from the great Judge Napolitano (the one Fox fired him for): http://youtu.be/QWydNRPWkqA

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  • fernMay 01, 2012 - 4:50 pm

    Anyone have a tin foil hat?

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  • True PatriotMay 01, 2012 - 5:00 pm

    What a witty comment Fran. You are right, the Supervisors and government always make the right decisions. How dare we question their competency: FINDINGS In accordance with the California Penal Code §933 and §933.05, each numbered finding and recommendation will be responded to by the governmental entity to which it is addressed. The responses are to be submitted to the Presiding Judge of the Superior Court. The 2009 - 2010 EI Dorado County Grand Jury has arrived at the following findings: 1. The Board of Supervisors approved the purchase of the 10-acre parcel near the town of El Dorado without recognizing that only about 7 1/2 acres of the parcel are usable due to a seasonal creek flowing through the property. 2. The Board of Supervisors approved the purchase of the 10-acre parcel near the town of El Dorado without recognizing that the cost of improving access to the parcel and adjoining parcels as specified in the purchase agreement could be as much as $1.5 million. 3. The Board of Supervisors approved the purchase of the 10-acre parcel near the town of EI Dorado without requiring the Sellers to contribute to the costs of the improvements specified in the purchase agreement. Those improvements will greatly benefit the privately-owned parcels adjacent to the required roadway, which are still owned by the Sellers. 4. The Board of Supervisors approved the purchase of the 10-acre parcel near the town of El Dorado without recognizing that they may have obligated the County to build a road, water lines, and a fence, at an estimated cost of $1 million to $1.5 million (according to testimony), even if the County does not build the Animal Control Shelter on the 10-acre parcel. 5. The Board of Supervisors insisted that the Animal Control Shelter be built using "tilt-up" construction although the BOS was advised that "tilt-up" construction was not the most cost effective method, and that the next less expensive option, steel frame, could save as much as $1 million. 6. The Board of Supervisors' involvement in the land selection, purchase, and the method of construction for the Animal Control Shelter was unusually high. 7. The Board of Supervisors has failed for more than four years to construct or otherwise acquire a permanent Animal Control Shelter for the West Slope even though the County purchased the 10-acre parcel in 2006 for $450,000, and hired an architect, at a cost not to exceed $574,400, to design the building (a significant portion of which was spent). An additional $6 million in the Capital Improvement Budget has been set aside for the Animal Control Shelter. 8. The Board of Supervisors' decisions regarding the selection of the location for the Animal Control Shelter and the method of construction were strongly influenced by one Supervisor. According to authoritative sources with direct knowledge, that Supervisor "drove the bus". Nonetheless, all members of the Board of Supervisors share responsibility for approving the purchase. 9. The Board of Supervisors failed to make diligent inquiries into the usability of the entire 10-acre parcel, failed to ask important questions about the costs of improvements specified in the purchase agreement, and failed to negotiate a fair costsharing agreement with the Sellers for the costs of the improvements. 10. The Department of General Services, and the CAO, failed to provide the Board of Supervisors with all pertinent information concerning the costs of the improvements to be made by the County as described in the purchase agreement for the 10-acre parcel. 11. The County Counsel's office, who prepared the purchase agreement for the 10- acre parcel, made a glaring omission by neglecting to insert an "escape clause" that would permit the County to avoid making the specified improvements if the Animal Control Shelter were not actually constructed on the l C-acre parcel. Even if the County received a lower price for the 10-acre parcel because it agreed to build the road and make other improvements, any difference in price did not justify the County being left "holding the bag" or having a costly contractual obligation for the required improvements.

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  • SomeOfMyBestFriendsAreMay 01, 2012 - 5:09 pm

    True Patriot: You are extraordinarily well informed. You deal in far more than opinion. Thank you.

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  • True PatriotMay 01, 2012 - 5:23 pm

    SomeOfMyBestFriendsAre, Thanks - I'm much too opinionated at times, but I am just sick of the government corruption, as I am sure you and many others are . Ron Paul 2012! (He is still winning delegates!!!) http://www.dailypaul.com/228975/how-is-ron-pauls-campaign-doing

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  • MikeMay 01, 2012 - 6:38 pm

    True Patriot, Nobody gets the paper anymore, and only a handful are here to discuss these local issues. Aside from talking to neighbors, how can we spread the word as fast as possible? Not many know what is going on here. Are there any community meetings between now, and the election next month?

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  • Fred RonaldsonMay 01, 2012 - 7:21 pm

    True Patriot- when you address local issues, you sound like a rational, thoughtful person. When you address national / international issues, you sound like a gullible fool. Stick to local.

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  • True patriotMay 01, 2012 - 8:10 pm

    Mike - I think we should try to get the Bee or a local tv network to pick up the story, what do you think? This affects several counties. Fred- what in particular do you disagree with. Just because you don't understand something, doesn't mean it isnt a real problem.

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  • SomeOfMyBestFriendsAre -May 01, 2012 - 8:50 pm

    Fred Ronaldson, what part of True Patriot's national/international comment do you find problematic? i.e, What are your main points of difference?

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  • ItsMeMay 01, 2012 - 10:08 pm

    The nutters are out with their Agenda 21 tea party conspiracy theories. If you vote for Sue Taylor - she's another nutter who believes this stuff. Funny, John Knight, a rethuglican as well, hasn't hopped on the Agenda 21 train. Actually, the way some of the nutters here are talking, I'm surprised they haven't joined the Occupy folks in decrying corporate greed - you know, True Patriot, all those GOPers and Dems you named who are in bed with the corporations. Mike, sure you can talk about your favorite right-wing issues without getting booed....go to a tea bagger meeting, you'll find folks just like you! In working with people (in private sector and public sector) working on environmental sustainability (I know, you're looking for the black helicopters) I can assure you that they are normal, moderate, educated people who studied biology and look at environmental stewardship as a way to leave a healthy planet with clean air and water and soil to our great great grandchildren. They are NOT crazy radical environmental nazis that you all think that they are. ALL of them have had no idea about the Agenda 21 conspiracy theory when I mention it. They are not the enemy.

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  • SomeOfMyBestFriendsAre -May 02, 2012 - 6:19 am

    Some folk, certain of the correctness of their opinions based on no independent research whatsoever, substitute name-calling for inquiry and logic. So they bandy about words like "nutter" and "kook". That, of course, is supposed to shut us up. People like ItsMe feel free (and probably good, as well) about slandering others who actually have done their homework. ItsMe, for example, laughs off Agenda 21 but has not read the document, would not know how to find it, and furthermore doesn’t wish to. Pointless leaving links for them, because they can’t be disturbed from their easy certainty. Possibly they think those who HAVE read the approx. 200 page document wrote it themselves! Most people prefer the comfort of subscribing to what’s popular. Challenging establishment “truth” is dangerous. Though probably knowing by now that the earth revolves around the sun, and not vice versa, ItsMe may be less familiar with the fate of Galileo, the “heretic” (conspiracy nut) who first suggested this truth. He was investigated by the Roman Inquisition in 1615 and spent the next 29 years – i.e. until his death – under house arrest. Yes, ItsMe, Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11 and the government would never lie to you. Now go back to sleep. Or think of new ways to say “conspiracy nut”, ‘cause that’s all you’ve got.

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  • MikeMay 02, 2012 - 8:11 am

    Getting Booed, and being shouted down by a pre-planned, organized group of Liberals are two completely different things! When the Gay, Anti-Bullying Advocate, Mr. Savage started his speaking engagement recently, did the Conservative students who disagreed with his comments shout him down, throw things at him, or storm the stage? No, they calmly and quietly stood up, and left the building. What a contrast! Keeping someone from speaking their point of view is called Fascism. One of the Left's favorite tactics. You only have to go back 60 years in history, to see what comes next. Trying to debate a Liberal man is like watching two 3 year olds fighting over a toy in a sandbox. First there is tugging back and forth, then name calling, then the physical violence. Straight out of the Weather Underground, and ELF movements. Liberal men have taken Cosmo's advice from the 70's and 80's to literally, and have gotten a little too close to their feminine side, becoming ultra emotional beings. Nature needs an even balance.

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  • True patriotMay 02, 2012 - 8:28 am

    Well said SomeOfMyBestFriendsAre I would just add that groups like occupy and tea party can be dangerous. When people give up their thought process to groups, they run the risk of that group being co-opted by negative influences. I will just say to keep a very close eye on anything that George Soros pours money into (occupy, moveon.org, media matters, etc.). As for the tea party, they just voted in favor of CISPA, so it looks like they are not the civil libertarians they once were. Be careful of groups. Be an individual that thinks for yourself. Groups only allow big money (not the 1%, the real rich) to divIde and conquer. Stop letting the have everythings convince the have littles to attack the have somes as the problem, because the truth is that the have somes (middle class) are the only ones paying taxes. That is until their jobs are all gone also. As Gerald Celente says, you have to be a political athiest to understand what is really going on. Left v right, man v woman, old v young, gay v straight, religious v non-religious, poor v middle class are all used against us to divide and conquer. The real fight is we the people vs fascist globalist corporatocracy run by giant banks. This is nothing new, it has been going on a very long time. The problem right now is that the chess boards getting much emptier, and the pieces are all on the wrong side. I'm sure the fine folks at SACOG are all good people who have no idea what the big picture is.

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  • True patriotMay 02, 2012 - 8:56 am

    http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/new-obama-executive-order-pushes-us-closer-to-a-north-american-union-and-a-one-world-economic-system "We are on the verge of global transformation.  All we need is the right major crisis and the nation will accept the New World Order"  "Some even believe we (the Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States,  characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global  political and economic structure--one world, if you will.  If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it" -Memoirs, p.405 (David Rockefeller)  "We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended  our meetings and respected their promise of discretion for almost forty years.  It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the  world if we had been subjected to the bright lights of publicity during those years.  But the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to  march towards a world government.  The super-national sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the  national auto-determination practiced in past centuries." -Bilderberg Meeting, 1991

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  • SomeOfMyBestFriendsAreMay 02, 2012 - 9:22 am

    True Patriot: Before I launch, a preliminary observation. I’ve not noticed that any of the political groupings has a monopoly on closed thinking. There are limits to what one is allowed to think and discuss and KNOW. Mostly those with expanded awareness keep that portion of their humanity to themselves. Failure to do so leads to being labeled and excommunicated. Now, onward . . . (I hate that the comments section no longer allows for distinct paragraphs!) This is not for ItsMe and fellow travelers, 'cause its all "conspiracy THEORY", never to be confused with FACT. Most Americans have absolutely no idea how far plans to integrate the United States, Canada and Mexico have advanced. Last year, Barack Obama signed an agreement to create a "North American security perimeter". Most Americans haven’t heard about it because the mainstream news networks almost entirely ignored it. But this is exactly what the globalists want. They don't want people to become alarmed by these moves toward North American integration. If the people of Canada, the United States and Mexico were told that there was a plan to merge all three economies, there might be massive protests to stop it, and the globalists do not want that. However, DO NOT SAY "AGENDA 21". IT DOESN’T EXIST. AND THE REASON WE KNOW IT DOESN’T EXIST IS BECAUSE WE DON’T KNOW ABOUT IT. HOW MUCH MORE PROOF DO YOU NEED? (Sorry for shouting!)

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  • SomeOfMyBestFriendsAreMay 02, 2012 - 9:37 am

    True Patriot: We KNOW that Rockefeller never talked about marching towards world government (even though he proudly proclaimed it in his book, available, BTW, for purchase AND reading) because the corporate media never talks about it. Therefore, we don't know about it, and it can't be happening. Therefore, you, my friend, are a "conspiracy nut". (Must get that out of the way. It will save ItsMe the trouble.)

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  • SomeOfMyBestFriendsAre -May 02, 2012 - 9:56 am

    ItsMe: I totally believe you when you say "ALL of them have had no idea about the Agenda 21." You are right: Your friends are NOT the enemy. Ignorance, however, is.

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  • True PatriotMay 02, 2012 - 11:34 am

    Truth these days is stranger than fiction: The question is not “is there a conspiracy of global elites to push us all towards dictatorial world government?”, this is an admitted and verifiable fact. The questions are “ Can we stop it?” and “Are their motives noble”? I think the answers are “yes, if we all act together to stop it” and “No, these are people with a vast history of exploitation, that view us all as a herd of inferiors. We shouldn’t give up our sovereignty, life, liberty and property to find out if they will be fair and kind!” Just ask the billion dirt poor Chinese workers. In case you think the UN, WTO, IMF, World Bank and our own privately owned federal reserve bank criminals are a force for good, watch a documentary on youtube called “end of poverty?” These guys are global gangsters! For all those who think socialism/communism is a potential utopia, you should just ask the afore mentioned Chinese serfs or an east and a west German which system is better. For everyone who doesn’t think Obama is a Marxist, you are in complete denial and/or are not paying attention.

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  • Ken SteersMay 02, 2012 - 11:40 am

    I have read all of these comments. What I see is people tired of there private property rights being eroded by government entities. Be it by our neighbor who happens to be a county supervisor. Or our federal government. What is offensive is the very question of who has final say regarding private property. For me there shouldn't even be a discussion.

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  • James E.May 02, 2012 - 12:10 pm

    Reading Mr. Steers' comments, it made me think about property ownership and my right to quiet enjoyment of my property. I purchased my home for cash, so no question that I own it -- but, do I? I think El Dorado County owns it, because if I don't pay them property taxes for the next five years they can seize it and sell it off. So, rather than ownership, it appears I am just renting from the county. Note: Property taxes are necessary and I faithfully pay mine each year. But, it does make me wonder about who is the real owner. Now, quiet enjoyment -- say I want to build a rocket site in my back yard to test small rockets (which I promise will go up and then come down in my CEP (circular error probable) inside my yard. Nope, can't do it as the City, County, and the Feds would be on me in a second. No, I'm not going to build a rocket site -- but city, county, and federal regulations probably prohibits rockets and a multitude of other things I might want to do on my property. Bottom Line: UN Agenda 21? Forget the UN, worry about the city and county.

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  • 1036-FrankMay 02, 2012 - 12:19 pm

    Yes the Govt. decree, the shall, the shall have people controlled by "Clustering Them" into areas easily "Controlled" into small spaces of high-density becuase of course the elites know how we should live for a commoner couldn't be allowed to control his own space becuase it will be too much space which viiolates the UN charter becuase people have to be controlled into small spaces and rural counties are too big, large spaced, and Govt. housing would be better, because it could all be concrete gray and then perhaps subsidized from others taxes and the people would be easy to find and locate, in case of national emergency of course, where the Constitution would have to be suspended, for the safety of the state of course, and just temporarily, you must understand, until the emergency is controlled again so that freedom might be granted again, but we shall change the limits we could formally grant to reflect the UN Charter that must be observed by all nations who have agreed to the decree. " And the bankers were bailed without reserve, the TARP was paid without a word the citizen taxed and then foreclosed as Wall Street laughed as none opposed"

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  • True PatriotMay 02, 2012 - 12:54 pm

    Write your state senator and demand they do not sign CISPA or what sis left of our free speech and info. will be dead: Control of the Internet will change hands if BRICS countries get their way. Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa, plus a host of allies, propose to wrest Web engineering protocols, naming schemes and other functions from the private organizations that oversee them now. The BRICS want to put them under the auspices of the United Nations’ International Telecommunication Union. At stake: The cost of online commerce. A change would likely bring new fees on international Web traffic, levied by service providers or national phone companies. And free speech. China, Russia and others that already block content deemed to be subversive plan to argue for international approval of such censorship under the guise of fighting cyberterrorism. There’s a chance new rules would OK it. The U.S. is strongly opposed to giving the UN panel control over the Web. But it may be outvoted…90 nations favor making such a move in Dec.

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  • SomeOfMyBestFriendsAre -May 02, 2012 - 1:46 pm

    James E., Do you believe the U.N.'s agenda for the 21st century ("Agenda 21") bears no relationship to regulations coming down to city and county level?

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  • CitizenMay 02, 2012 - 2:12 pm

    SOMBFA (if I may call you that!) - Regarding your above to James E: The bare bones national Agenda 21implementation pipeline : (a) PCSD, 1997; (b) the U.S. Conference of Mayors, 1997; (c) National Governor’s Assoc., 2001; (d) Obama’s EO 13575, 2011. Gary Lawrence, a planner for the city of Seattle, and advisor to the President’s Council on Sustainable Development, said in 1998, that, “Participating in a U.N. advocated planning process would very likely bring out many ... who would actively work to defeat any elected official ... undertaking Local Agenda 21. So we will call our process something else, such as “comprehensive planning,” “growth management,” or “smart growth.”

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  • CitizenMay 02, 2012 - 7:00 pm

    Well, now! Our leader has been busy working ever harder on our behalf. Yesterday, May 1, 2012, he signed another Executive Order. This one was "Promoting International Regulatory Cooperation". So now we have a new executive order for the implementation of laws not legislated by our Congress. There is only one place this stuff comes from. Do you think anyone can work it out? (I mean, aside from the "conspiracy nuts".)

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  • Albert DrentonMay 03, 2012 - 8:08 am

    Oh no! Not international cooperation! Anything but that! We are DOOMED!!!

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  • True patriotMay 03, 2012 - 9:36 am

    Albert, Here's what that "international cooperation" will look like when the fed banks starts enforcing it on us: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXMCSp9oDh8&feature=youtube_gdata_player The plan for this is about 95% in place.

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  • SomeOfMyBestFriendsAreMay 03, 2012 - 10:51 am

    Fact is, the "cooperation" (read "regulation") is coming from outside. And if it's all good for us, why don't the ridiculers try a new tact? It would be so simple for them to investigate, call it by name (UN Agenda 21) and start telling us about the good coming our way. Bring us on board! For some reason, however, they continuously armor themselves against the facts with Denial, Obfuscation and Ridicule.

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  • SomeOfMyBestFriendsAre -May 04, 2012 - 8:38 am

    EPA's PLANS FOR IMPLEMENTING UN'S AGENDA 21 - The "Green Book" is positioning the EPA to become the premier federal agency for implementing Agenda 21 in the United States. 

EPA spokesman are wary about making any definitive statement regarding whether and how soon the EPA would adopt the "Green Book" sustainability methodology. However, it is clear from listening to the audio of the November 30, 2010, meeting where the EPA commissioned the NAS to produce a new "operational framework for sustainability" for the EPA that the EPA sees the "sustainability paradigm" as the future for the agency. http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/11224-epas-plans-for-implementing-uns-agenda-21

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  • PatriotMay 04, 2012 - 8:45 am

    The New American, that you so proudly quote, is an official publication of the John Birch Society. At least we know where you are really coming from now.

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  • SOMBFA -May 04, 2012 - 8:58 am

    On November 30, 2010, EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson stated: "Today I am formally requesting President Cicerone and the National Academies convene a committee of experts to provide to the U.S. EPA an operational framework for sustainability that applies across all of the agency’s programs, policies, and actions." http://www.nationalacademies.org/podcast/20101130.mp3

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  • SOMBFA -May 04, 2012 - 9:26 am

    Patriot, for inquiring minds, there are many sources. But perhaps you'd prefer the National Environmental Monitoring Conference, beginning August 7th. Scroll down to 8:00am - 8:45am - KEYNOTE ADDRESS - EPA and Sustainability: The Green Book. http://nemc.us/nemc-program.php

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  • BTW -May 04, 2012 - 9:33 am

    Agenda 21 doesn't exist! (Someone had to say it.)

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  • CitizenMay 04, 2012 - 12:16 pm

    A quick search of Agenda 21 (which doesn't exist) for sustainable development = 734. Call me wacko!

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  • CitizenMay 04, 2012 - 12:20 pm

    Big sigh of relief. The 2012 A21 document for the June Rio Meeting (which isn't happening) reveals sustainable development used only 404 times. Things are getting better!

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  • George Canfield, CaminoMay 04, 2012 - 12:38 pm

    Nobody has to call you wacko. You pretty much sealed that one up yourself.

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  • true patriotMay 04, 2012 - 4:20 pm

    Citizen, Don’t mind these negative comments….Never underestimate the power of denial and disinformation. I have a hard time understanding why people are so quick to rule FACTS out as conspiracy theory, just because it doesn’t fit their narrow preconveived notions of reality. Do your homework George & BTW. Here is a start: -Agenda 21: http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/ -Behind the Green Mask: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDtCb45Lqt0 or -Farmageddon: http://farmageddonmovie.com/ (now available on Netflix)

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  • true patriotMay 04, 2012 - 4:37 pm

    Citizen, Don’t mind these negative comments….Never underestimate the power of denial and disinformation. I have a hard time understanding why people are so quick to rule FACTS out as conspiracy theory, just because it doesn’t fit their narrow preconveived notions of reality. Do your homework George & BTW. There is this nifty new thing called a search engine. Use it to Google Agenda 21, Behind the Green Mask, and Farmageddon. Stop being baseless self-righteous uninformed naysayers.

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  • G O P -May 05, 2012 - 5:53 am

    RESOLUTION EXPOSING UNITED NATIONS AGENDA 21: RESOLVED, the Republican National Committee recognizes the destructive and insidious nature of United Nations Agenda 21 and hereby exposes to the public and public policy makers the dangerous intent of the plan; and therefore be it further RESOLVED , that the U.S. government and no state or local government is legally bound by the United Nations Agenda 21 treaty in that it has never been endorsed by the (U.S.) Senate, and therefore be it further RESOLVED, that the federal and state and local governments across the country be well informed of the underlying harmful implications of implementation of United Nations Agenda 21 destructive strategies for “sustainable development” and we hereby endorse rejection of its radical policies and rejection of any grant monies attached to it, and therefore be it further RESOLVED, that upon the approval of this resolution the Republican National Committee shall deliver a copy of this resolution to each of the Republican members of Congress, all Republican candidates for Congress, all Republican candidates for President who qualify for RNC sanctioned debates, and to each Republican state and territorial party office and recommend for adoption into the Republican Party Platform at the 2012 Convention. As Approved by the Republican National Committee, January 13, 2012

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  • D E M S -May 05, 2012 - 5:58 am

    AGAINST U. N. AGENDA 21 http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/1/post/2012/01/republican-national-committee-passes-resolution.html?

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  • In the KnowMay 05, 2012 - 6:32 am

    If it walks like a, smells like a, talks like a, sits like a it just might be a Duck. Well at least some of the GOB/BOS have really stepped in Duck s*** this time. Whooooa lets change our tune and opt out before it's too late.

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  • In the KnowMay 05, 2012 - 6:35 am

    How can the BOS sit up there and lie, once found out admit you are wrong and save face if you care to or just turn away and talk out of the other side and we won't notice.

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  • think U.N.May 12, 2012 - 6:44 pm

    • U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) • U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service • U.S. National Park Service • U.S. Forest Service • Sierra Club • The Nature Conservancy (TNC) • National Wildlife Federation • National Audubon Society • Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC)…. • Environmental Defense Fund (EDF)…..

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