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The Federal Reserve and the American mind

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From page A1 | December 03, 2012 | 85 Comments

G Edward Griffin

G Edward Griffin Author of The Creature from Jekyll Island

This is part two of a three-part series on the Fed, inflation and currency wars.

Contrary to what is taught in government schools, the real history of America is as much about the struggle between the people and the banks as it is about the dates and places of certain events.

For example, most of the wars America has found itself in have been about economics, not ideology. While we all are taught the Revolutionary War was about freedom, according to Benjamin Franklin, the primary reason was because King George III and the international bankers wouldn’t let the colonists issue their own currency.

Likewise, the war of 1812 was fought because the American government refused to re-charter a central bank. Nathan Mayer Rothschild, a member of Europe’s most powerful banking family, is reported as saying that “the United States would find itself involved in a most disastrous war if the bank’s charter were not renewed.” Several months later, the British declared war on the United States using loans alleged to have come from the Rothschilds.

In 1816 a second central bank was established, but when its charter came up for renewal in 1832, President Andrew Jackson vetoed it, which resulted in the international bankers trying to assassinate him.

G. Edward Griffin believes the Civil War was fought over economics not slavery. “It was about the economic division between the north and south,” he said, “and slavery was only added as an issue towards the end of the war to give it a high moral sense.”

America’s entry into World War I was also not for the reasons given according to Griffin. “The bankers wanted the U.S. in World War I because the British and French were losing. J.P. Morgan had all these many hundreds of millions in war loans to those countries and if they lost, there was no way the investors would get paid back.”

Another factor was a desire by the Zionists to establish a Jewish homeland in Palestine. At one point, a member of the Rothschild family approached the British government and promised to bring America into the war on Britain’s side if they were given Palestine, which at the time was in Turkish hands. The agreement between the Zionist leadership and the British is enshrined in the Balfour Declaration which is on display at the British Library.

In the case of the U.S. entry into WWII, Griffin believes the country fought because the State Department, Treasury Department, and the Executive Branch were all dominated by members of the Council on Foreign Relations. “These people wanted the U.S. to play a key role in the creation of an international government,” he said. “And they knew the only way to bring it about was to have the U.S. play the role of a victor in a great war …  I think that was the primary motivation, even more so than the economic one.”

The birth of the Fed

The Federal Reserve was actually the third central bank established in America and was legislated into existence in 1913.

Griffin, who has written a book on the history of the Fed, said it’s best understood in terms of concept. ”It is a cartel,” he said. “A banking cartel no different from a banana or oil cartel.”

Griffin says the Fed was created in response to demand from the public for banking reform. At the time, there was concern about the concentration of financial power in the hands of a few Wall Street firms and the public wanted Congress to bring the industry under control.

However the banking industry, seeing the writing on the wall, decided to take charge of the banking reform movement rather than try to fight it. So in 191o, a group of bankers met secretly at Jekyll Island, a private resort island. The group included Sen. Nelson Aldrich, A. Piatt Andrew, Frank Vanderlip, Henry P. Davison, Charles D. Norton, Benjamin Strong and Paul Warburg.

They drafted legislation that supposedly controlled the banks but instead protected them and gave them additional power and enhanced profits. “It was a brilliant ploy and it worked,” said Griffin. Later, over 100 amendments were added to further enhance the power of the Fed.

“People thought they were getting a piece of legislation that would allow the government to control the banks,” said Griffin. “But what they got was a piece of legislation that allowed the banks to control the government. And those banks are primarily the New York banks like Bear Stearns, CitiCorp, JP Morgan Chase, and others. To know who they are, just look who shows up to testify before Congress,” he said.

Since its founding, Griffin said the Fed has only grown in power. “It is astride the economy and absolute master of the monetary system and it is regulator of all commercial activity in the U.S. It is the tail that wags the dog.”

Educating the public

Having a monopoly on money issuance is one thing, keeping it is another. Griffin maintains that bankers have been able to keep and expand their monopoly over the economy and the government by taking control of the educational system and the media. The purpose being to “educate” Americans to accept socialism and an all-powerful government to manage society.

He says tax exempt foundations owned by banking families such as the Rockefellers “made a conscious decision at the turn of last century to change textbooks and teaching institutions of America so they would no longer teach the value of individual liberty … but rather teach collectivism. They made the conscious decision to provide funding for universities that would change their curriculum to teach that. The history is very clear and very well documented and it’s shocking. And there’s no doubt in my mind that the reason the American people today are willing to accept socialism … is because they have been educated that way. It’s that simple.”

Changing the system

Griffin believes the Federal Reserve is gradually impoverishing the general population with all its money printing and spending.

“The people at the top, where the fresh money is coming in are government employees, government contractors, those getting government grants, the military — these are the politically favored class. They are making out like gangbusters with all this fresh money coming in. They are getting wealthier and wealthier and wealthier.

“But the … middle class. They’re the ones losing the value of their homes, losing their jobs, having to tear up their credit cards. The middle class has been losing a tremendous amount of their wealth during this process. It’s aggravating the distinction between the haves and have-nots and pushing the middle class into the have-not category.”

Griffin said the only solution is for Americans to recapture control of the system. “They have to replace the people in Congress who have allowed and encourage this to happen. Nothing will change as long Congress is dominated by individuals who are collectivists in their thinking and especially those who are members of the Council on Foreign Relations or are dependent upon those who are members of the CFR through the corporations and institutions they dominate. We have to change leadership because nothing else will work.”

Contact Dawn Hodson at 530-344-5071 or dhodson@mtdemocrat.net. Follow @DHodsonMtDemo on Twitter.

 

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 02, 2012 - 12:30 pm

    Dawn Hodson AND the Mountain Democrat should be ashamed. Claptrap – pure claptrap - you may as well be giving column space to chemtrails, HAARP earthquakes and fake moon landing “proofs” - Griffin wrote and narrated the 1992 documentary The Discovery of Noah's Ark, based on U.S. Merchant Marine officer David Fasold's 1988 book, The Ark of Noah. Griffin's film said that the original Noah's ark continued to exist in fossil form . . ." Griffins credibility is further eroded through his plagiarism of Mullins work(according to Mullins). . . . LINK - Eustace Mullins' on FED, Ron Paul, Rockefeller & G. Edward Griffin So . . . uh . . . Griffin plagiarizes Mullins. Mullins’ mentor was Ezra Pound. Ezra Pound was a Hitler/Mussolini cheerleader and the Mountain Democrat publishes this crap. Whatever!

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  • James E.December 02, 2012 - 12:46 pm

    Phil, I'm beginning to think the MtDemocrat may have some bias in their reporting.

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 02, 2012 - 12:55 pm

    . . . or it may be they know not what they do . . .

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 02, 2012 - 2:30 pm

    LINK - Conspiracy theorists have long viewed the Federal Reserve Act as a means of giving control of the banking system to the money trusts, when in reality the intent and effect was to wrestle control away from them. History clearly demonstrates that in the decades prior to the Federal Reserve Act the decisions of a few large New York banks had, at times, enormous repercussions for banks throughout the country and the economy in general. Following the return to central banking, at least some measure of control was removed from them and placed with the Federal Reserve.

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 02, 2012 - 3:09 pm

    ten myths about the fed - links to the individual ten articles will be found at the bottom of the page - LINK - Political Research Associates - Edward Flaherty, Ph.D. Department of Economics College of Charleston, S.C. -

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 02, 2012 - 3:26 pm

    Some members of this forum may understandably suspect that I dislike g edward griffin. They are mistaken. I despise g edward griffin.LINK - United Flight 93 that crashed in a field in Pennsylvania was shot down by a U.S. military fighter in spite of official denial.

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  • James E.December 02, 2012 - 4:06 pm

    Phil, what do you think? Shot down or not? If so, I would have hated being that fighter pilot. I believe it was not shot down. What a horror being on that plane.

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  • James E.December 02, 2012 - 4:14 pm

    Brings back bad memories. As an aviator I cannot imagine a student coming to a flight school and telling them, "I don't want to learn how to take off, I don't want to learn how to land, I just want to learn how to fly straight and level and make turns." Insane that this didn't cause a red flag the size of America.

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 02, 2012 - 5:32 pm

    James, I believe that the body evidence OVERWHELMINGLY supports passenger intervention. The 9/11 truther inside job conspiracy is a house of cards that ought to have fallen years ago. Sadly these alternate histories endure. They will not die. But they DO KILL. The majority of the Arab street cites truther claptrap. I recall an interview circa the beginning of the “Arab Spring”. I forget the specific question but the jist of the answer was, “Why would we want American help? America lies about everything. Don’t you know that the Zionists blew up the towers? They didn’t even land on the moon! America lies about everything!” Given that mind set how many jihadists have signed up? Our claptrap is deadly, James.

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  • James E.December 02, 2012 - 5:51 pm

    Makes me wonder if a measure of peace can ever be obtained.

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  • EvelynDecember 02, 2012 - 6:55 pm

    FLIGHT 93: Dick Cheney on the subject HERE.

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  • EvelynDecember 02, 2012 - 6:58 pm

    FLIGHT 93: Dick Cheney interviewed on the subject HERE.

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  • EvelynDecember 02, 2012 - 6:59 pm

    It's a conspiracy! My comments are getting gobbled up. Will try again after this space filler.

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  • EvelynDecember 02, 2012 - 7:01 pm

    Definitely a conspiracy. Won't take even a single link.

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  • EvelynDecember 02, 2012 - 7:18 pm

    Here's without the link. Will try to post it separately. In the meantime, a transcript. ********** Flight 93: (Fox News interview of Dick Cheney, Sunday 9/04/11) - INTERVIEWER: Now, you and the President had earlier discussed rules of engagement for taking down a hijacked airplane. But, you were the one who gave the direct order to shoot down a plane that you were told, as it turns out incorrectly, was headed for Washington. CHENEY: Right. It’s correct. INTERVIEWER: What’s that all about? CHENEY: Well, um, it was necessary, and it was a . . . frankly, I didn’t pause to think about it very much, because once one of those aircraft became hijacked it was a weapon. We’d seen already by that time three of them go in to the Pentagon and the World Trade Center in New York. As a result thousands died, and if we had been in a position to intercept one of those to keep it from striking its target, would we have done it? Absolutely. And what I did was pass on the President’s approval of the basic proposition that we would in fact authorize our people to shoot down aircraft that had been hijacked and refused to divert. So I saw it as part of my responsibility. But I did it quickly…. [end of clip]

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  • EvelynDecember 02, 2012 - 7:21 pm

    Now it won't even take a transcript. What's up, Doc? (Probably they'll all suddenly appear now, clogging up the works.)

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  • EvelynDecember 02, 2012 - 7:22 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk1n7FDzApA

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  • EvelynDecember 02, 2012 - 7:24 pm

    (above) CHENEY ADMITS HE GAVE THE ORDER TO SHOOT DOWN FLIGHT 93 (video)

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  • EvelynDecember 02, 2012 - 7:27 pm

    (Transcript of above) - INTERVIEWER: Now, you and the President had earlier discussed rules of engagement for taking down a hijacked airplane. But, you were the one who gave the direct order to shoot down a plane that you were told, as it turns out incorrectly, was headed for Washington. CHENEY: Right. It’s correct. INTERVIEWER: What’s that all about? CHENEY: Well, um, it was necessary, and it was a . . . frankly, I didn’t pause to think about it very much, because once one of those aircraft became hijacked it was a weapon. We’d seen already by that time three of them go in to the Pentagon and the World Trade Center in New York. As a result thousands died, and if we had been in a position to intercept one of those to keep it from striking its target, would we have done it? Absolutely. And what I did was pass on the President’s approval of the basic proposition that we would in fact authorize our people to shoot down aircraft that had been hijacked and refused to divert. So I saw it as part of my responsibility. But I did it quickly

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  • EvelynDecember 02, 2012 - 7:28 pm

    How interesting our journey! Thank you, Dawn Hodson, for your work on a very complex subject. You were brave to take it on. I believe it is a useful contribution.

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 02, 2012 - 7:42 pm

    I listened TWICE. Cheney gave the order to shoot down passenger plane(s). That has never been in dispute. However it is factually incorrect to assert, "CHENEY ADMITS HE GAVE THE ORDER TO SHOOT DOWN FLIGHT 93." He did not. He gave an order (rule of engagement) to down any and all passenger planes which refused to land and appeared to be hijacked. The entire truther infrastructure is saturated with such misrepresentations and distortions of fact. On the day of 9/11/2001 it was real-time knowledge that such an order had been given. There was a period of doubt. Had a shoot-down actually occurred there would have ZERO political blowback from a shoot-down. In fact a shoot-down would have made the administration appear to have been more situations ready. There would have been some sort of grotesque sympathy for the decision maker.

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 02, 2012 - 7:51 pm

    . . . would have been ZERO political blowback . . .

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  • EvelynDecember 02, 2012 - 7:57 pm

    After 3 flights already had crashed: “But, you were the one who gave the direct order to shoot down a plane that . . . was headed for Washington.” ********** Which flight was reported headed for Washington? (Leave “the Truthers” out of it. They’re not here to defend themselves!!!)

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  • EvelynDecember 02, 2012 - 7:59 pm

    I'm standing on my Constitutional right to plead insanity . . . and go read a book. Good night. Unless something REALLY IMPORTANT comes up!!!

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 02, 2012 - 8:08 pm

    Ms Hodson's work would have been a useful contribution had she attempted to deconstruct rather than reinforce FED mythology, disinformation, ignorance and conspiracist rubbish. Monetary policy is in fact a very complex subject. And it becomes almost intractably complex when salted with G Edward Griffin’s “special knowledge”.

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 02, 2012 - 8:11 pm

    Evelyn, dear, at the time of the order THE NUMBER OF HYJACKED PLANES WAS NOT CLEAR. It was a generic rule of engagement for any and all . . . sheesh.

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 02, 2012 - 8:14 pm

    Leave “the Truthers” out of it. They’re not here to defend themselves . . . uh . . . yes, you are, Evelyn

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 02, 2012 - 8:46 pm

    Does this help, Evelyn? The passengers beat the fighter jet that Cheney sent to ruthlessly kill them all. Then Cheney, his evil deed having been nullified by the passengers, said in effect, (after rereading the script) “I tried”.

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 02, 2012 - 11:25 pm

    LINK - NPR - Timeline for United Airlines Flight 93 - Controllers Struggle with Decision to Shoot Down Plane . . . but of course it is possible to argue that NPR is part of the neocon/bush/cheney/zionist/military-industrial-complex/rothschild/cfr/cia/freemason/buildaberg/rockafeller conspiracy. . . . but wait . . . we're supposed to be thoughtfully discussing the jeckel island conspiracy . . . sorry . . .

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  • EvelynDecember 03, 2012 - 8:50 am

    OMG, now it's clear why my comments weren't getting through. They all contained the word -- can only hint at it -- *ick!!! Apologies to all. It would have been so much more civilized, had my December 02, 2012 - 6:55 pm comment landed on its feet the first time. Moral of the story (one of several): NEVER NEVER NEVER submit a comment containing *ick.

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  • chrispyDecember 03, 2012 - 10:10 am

    911 was most certainly an inside job. And every war we ever fought was for monetary reasons. Veerkamp, pull your head out of the sand.

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 03, 2012 - 2:37 pm

    crispy, inasmuch as you have discovered the cause for all war I wish to quiz you regarding your depth of understanding of the cause that you have presented. Please comment on two things and how these two things interact. 1) A = P(1+r/n)^nt (A=amount, P= principal, r=rate, n=number of compounding, and t=time) and 2) The product of a sum is equal to the sum of the products BONUS POINTS: for 100 bonus points provide a short explanation how #1 and #2 have lead to war. TRIPPLE BONUS POINTS: for 300 bonus points attach names of people and organizations to “insiders”. Indefinite pronouns are not allowed.

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 03, 2012 - 2:41 pm

    Huge apology! - chrispy

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  • James E.December 03, 2012 - 2:42 pm

    Phil, you are beginning to impress me. Very much indeed.

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 03, 2012 - 3:08 pm

    James, somebody's reputation is at risk . . .

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  • JeopardyDecember 03, 2012 - 4:20 pm

    Alex, I'll take the Spanish American War for 400 points.

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  • alecDecember 03, 2012 - 5:24 pm

    for 400 points name the two main countres in the spanish American war and why did president mackinley sink maine.

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  • JeopardyDecember 03, 2012 - 7:13 pm

    What is Hearst Castle?

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  • alecDecember 03, 2012 - 7:34 pm

    u must furst say how many points u want for the kassle

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  • James E.December 03, 2012 - 8:51 pm

    I never did like Jeopardy. The TV show, not our commenter named Jeopardy.

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  • prime timeDecember 04, 2012 - 5:33 am

    Speculation in the 17th century was a crime. Speculators were hanged. Today they run the state and the financial markets.

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 04, 2012 - 7:44 am

    chrispy, your assignment is due 12/07/2012, 07:55 AM. in order to save the conspiracy industry from a date with infamy.

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  • CatherineDecember 04, 2012 - 8:19 am

    I just love that the MD offers a book review as news. This is the kind of editorial perspective that makes the paper so very special. I hope they'll do "Ecotopia" next. The sad part is, there are interesting facts that the paper could report describing how wars are driven by economic interests, far more than ethical or moral causes. But the MD would find those ideas too liberal. Paradoxical, eh?

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  • EvelynDecember 04, 2012 - 8:36 am

    Catherine, in the 2nd para. Dawn Hodson writes: "most of the wars America has found itself in have been about economics, not ideology", which goes to your point. Yes, an entire report could be written on the subject alone.

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  • CatherineDecember 04, 2012 - 8:45 am

    But Evelyn, this is a book report, with no investigation, no critical thinking and no real factual contribution. I don't know if Ms Hudson likes to present columns like this, or the editors make her. But this is not journalism.

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 04, 2012 - 8:48 am

    Catherine, I can hardly wait for part three. Perhaps Dawn will do a flash-back back to an earlier iteration of the conspiracy genre to the classic, LINK - None Dare Call It Conspiracy IMHO, she should go all the way back to the founding document, the protocols.

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  • EvelynDecember 04, 2012 - 8:53 am

    . . . Evelyn thinking . . . By an large true investigative journalism exists only on the margins. The value I would place on this series is that it does place for public consideration ideas not commonly expressed in the media.

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  • EvelynDecember 04, 2012 - 8:57 am

    ** By AND large . . .

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 04, 2012 - 9:01 am

    Evelyn, perhaps Dawn will do a review TRAGEDY AND HOPE. I've managed about 5% of Quigley's eye glazer. Understanding history and the interplay of monetary practices with history is hard work.

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  • EvelynDecember 04, 2012 - 9:12 am

    "Tragedy and Hope, A History of Our Time" by Carroll Quigley: HERE (1090 pages)

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  • CatherineDecember 04, 2012 - 9:12 am

    Evelyn, regarding offering differing viewpoints, I do wish that MD made more effort in that direction (although it would spoil some of my fun, as I already read lots of news that is based on those pesky things called facts). So how might they offer alternative ideas? I think, investigate one area, present facts from named sources, develop a balanced argument, etc. It's hard. The Federal is a terrific subject for this. One part you'd need to consider is how having this control may have contributed to greater prosperity and comfort for Americans, and whether that approach is sustainable.

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  • EvelynDecember 04, 2012 - 9:19 am

    Catherine, I'm not sure I'm following you when you say "having this control may have contributed to greater prosperity and comfort for Americans ... ." Do you mean the Federal Reserve has brought the country greater prosperity?

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  • CatherineDecember 04, 2012 - 9:27 am

    I mean the Fed has enabled an unnatural kind of stability. Not a personal preference or viewpoint, but if you're reporting on the fed, you have to look at how the controls it enables have provided foundations for growth that we might not have otherwise enjoyed. I'm just saying you'd have to look at many facets.

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  • Dawn HodsonDecember 04, 2012 - 9:30 am

    These articles are based on interviews with Griffin and Rickards. They are not book reviews. Their books were referenced to establish them as qualified to speak on the subject.

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  • James E.December 04, 2012 - 9:45 am

    Ms. Hodson, you might reconsider jumping into the quicksand of reader comments. Once in, it is an inevitable process of being consumed.

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 04, 2012 - 9:47 am

    Catherine you speculate, “ . . . may have contributed to greater prosperity and comfort for Americans, and whether that approach is sustainable.” – Spot on! I would add that the creation of the FED has lead to greater prosperity for the entire planet. Sustainability? Only by periodic deflations will the compounding of the money function be sustained. These “periodic deflations” will always be perceived as theft, graft and corruption and assigned to conspiratorial machinations.

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 04, 2012 - 10:00 am

    Evelyn, thank you very much for the Tragedy and Hope, A History of Our Time PDF link. I played for a while with a word search “conspiracy”. YES, they do exist. We are left to winnow wheat from chaff.

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 04, 2012 - 10:01 am

    TRIVIA President Clinton was one of Quigley's students.

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  • CatherineDecember 04, 2012 - 10:09 am

    Phil, I'd prefer that banking be nationalized. The Fed is a cartel, but in the strictest sense, most governments function as cartels. I'd just prefer the benefits being less concentrated.

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  • EvelynDecember 04, 2012 - 10:10 am

    Quigley's densely packed T&H is impossible for me to take in minus electronic search. Much easier than reading consecutively pgs. 1-1090!

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  • EvelynDecember 04, 2012 - 10:24 am

    "The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences." ~ Tragedy and Hope, pgs. 277-278

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 04, 2012 - 10:27 am

    Catherine, the thought of the democratization of monetary policy/strategy is more than I can bare. Imagine the human circulatory system being subjected to a vote of the constituents – one brain – two hands – two feet . . . The brain would lose more than win . . . especially with us men . . .

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  • EvelynDecember 04, 2012 - 10:36 am

    "This front organization, called the Royal Institute of International Affairs, had as its nucleus in each area the existing submerged Round Table Group. In New York it was known as the Council on Foreign Relations, and was a front for J. P. Morgan and Company ... ." ~ T&H, pg. 788

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 04, 2012 - 11:03 am

    FOUND IT! – the much quoted - The Right’s Fairy Tale Does Have a Modicum of Truth This myth, like all fables, does in fact have a modicum of truth. There does exist, and has existed for a generation, an international Anglophile network which operates, to some extent, in the way the ... Right believes the Communists act. In fact, this network, which we may identify as the Round Table Groups, has no aversion to cooperating with the Communists, or any other groups, and frequently does so. I know of the operations of this network because I have studied it for twenty years and was permitted for two years, in the early 1960's, to examine its papers and secret records. I have no aversion to it or to most of its aims and have, for much of my life, been close to it and to many of its instruments. I have objected, both in the past and recently, to a few of its policies (notably to its belief that England was an Atlantic rather than a European Power and must be allied, or even federated, with the United States and must remain isolated from Europe), but in general my chief difference of opinion is that it wishes to remain unknown, and I believe its role in history is significant enough to be known. - LINK - T&H - page 786

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  • CatherineDecember 04, 2012 - 11:06 am

    Ah, yes... hate to see Little Phil be in charge... But somehow, other countries have managed with nat'l banking , if imperfectly.

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  • chrispyDecember 04, 2012 - 11:31 am

    hey phil, my spouse is a Captain in the U.S. Army. she will be the first to tell you 911 was an inside job. How come there has not been a single terrorist attack on our soil since 911? Do you really think it is our vigilance that is preventing this?

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  • Foaming at the MouthDecember 04, 2012 - 2:33 pm

    Hey, I have a load of batstuff crazy ideas, too! When's Dawn gonna interview me and chrispy?

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  • CatherineDecember 04, 2012 - 2:42 pm

    Foaming, You'll need to write a book, first.

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  • EvelynDecember 04, 2012 - 3:27 pm

    chrispy: Your wife's opinion is shared by over 320 U.S. Military Officers.

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 04, 2012 - 3:43 pm

    Colonel, 320 military officers would equal what percentage of the military officer corps?

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 04, 2012 - 4:05 pm

    Using Evelyn’s data along with 201,730 (http://usmilitary.about.com/od/promotions/l/blofficerprom.htm) it seems that 0.16% of the US military officer corps believe that 9/11 was an inside job. It seems final. Since 99.84% do not believe 9/11 was an inside job the question is resolved. TRUTHERS ARE A PANTLOAD! - QED

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  • EvelynDecember 04, 2012 - 4:09 pm

    In no way preempting Col Longhofer: (1) The answer is: Infinitesimally small. (2) That's hardly the point. (3) Peruse the list of signatories (the above is an active link). (4) Unintentionally, I misrepresented the signatories. They do NOT say that 911 was an inside job. Rather, following on 6 "Whereas" statements, the well identified currently serving and former US Army, Navy, Marine Corps, Air Force & Coast Guard Commissioned & Non-Commissioned Officers “petition the Congress of the United States for a new and independent investigation into the events of 9/11/01 by a duly constituted legal body with the authority to subpoena and require testimony under oath, and with authority to prosecute if criminal activity is discovered, so that the perpetrators of these crimes against humanity can at last be brought to justice.”

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  • EvelynDecember 04, 2012 - 4:15 pm

    No, 0.16% means nothing of the sort!!! What it DOES mean is that 320 military officers have had the courage to identify themselves publicly with the call for a new 911 investigation. Definitely not a strategic career move.

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  • EvelynDecember 04, 2012 - 4:19 pm

    Please don't use such big words. I had to look up PANTLOAD. When did rudeness become de rigueur?

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 04, 2012 - 4:31 pm

    99.99& of truthers understand PANTLOAD. Only .01% of truthers understand de rigueur. I was attempting to reach the masses.

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  • EvelynDecember 04, 2012 - 4:38 pm

    . . . So, let me make sure I'm properly understanding. 320 former US Army, Navy, Marine Corps, Air Force & Coast Guard Commissioned & Non-Commissioned Officers are "the masses", for whom PANTLOAD is applicable?

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  • EvelynDecember 04, 2012 - 4:41 pm

    Gotta laugh. This website allows PANTLOAD but screens out D*CK.

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  • James E.December 04, 2012 - 5:35 pm

    Phil, you are correct, officer strength is around 200K, so 320 is not a consensus. Evelyn, wonder how many of the 320 are retired and how many are active duty? Guessing that most are retired.

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  • EvelynDecember 04, 2012 - 5:41 pm

    James, peruse the website. Detailed info on each individual is provided. I haven't read all the biographies because I am simply to lazy to go through so many screens-full of information. But at a reasonable guess, most/many are retired. It's easier to be courageous in retirement. Nothing about the military or society in general encourages peopole to speak their minds. Simply consider what happens to whistle blowers. Freedom of speech is long dead and gone, minus a respectful funeral service.

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  • EvelynDecember 04, 2012 - 5:44 pm

    I'm getting too excited. spell check: (1) ... TOO lazy to go; (2) PEOPLE, not peopole

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  • EvelynDecember 04, 2012 - 5:49 pm

    About those "screens-full of information". I just did a quick check. About 200 screens. But doing a lazy ramble is quite interesting.

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  • EvelynDecember 04, 2012 - 6:06 pm

    "320 IS NOT A CONSENSUS" - You don't reasonably suppose the military might send around a questionnaire to all former and presently serving officers. Indeed, let's workshop the matter!!! ********** I'm finished now. My contribution is totally worn out, and most likely in the process I've worn out everyone here.

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 05, 2012 - 9:25 pm

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    LINK - The Federal Reserve's New Policies Look Alarmingly Chinese

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    LINK - Federal Reserve allows Chinese-controlled banks to take stakes in US banks

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