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From page A1 | July 29, 2013 | 42 Comments

A Request for Proposal to set up a Web portal drew some clarifying comments from backers after it was reported that included in the RFP was language suggesting that the portal be supported with advertising.

Approved by the Board of Supervisors at its July 16 meeting, the RFP included spending up to $100,000 to develop a Web portal that would serve as a ”launching point or gateway to all the assets and resources available in the County of El Dorado.” Assets listed included businesses and restaurants, tourism and recreation opportunities, employment information and real estate services.

One portion of the RFP referenced, “Web Portal Marketing to include but not be limited to advertising the portal to target audiences (businesses, tourists, residents, community groups); and Generate advertising revenue to support the ongoing maintenance of the web portal.”

The latter point was later reiterated by Assistant Chief Administrative Officer Kim Kerr at the July 16 board meeting when she was asked by Supervisor Ron Mikulaco if the county was going to advertise and have ads popping up. She said that would be the goal, to get some advertising to help pay for the ongoing cost of the portal. But she said the county was also looking for help in marketing so when someone Googled a topic, El Dorado County popped up first.

That’s not what we meant

However the RFP and subsequent publicity surrounding it drew some follow-up comments by a member of the County Economic Development Advisory Committee and the county.

CEDAC originally advocated for the Web portal as part of a package of proposals to help foster economic development in the county. Michael Ranalli, who is a member of CEDAC, said the original proposal submitted by them to the county made no mention of advertising.

Ranalli said he hoped whoever responds to the RFP provides the Board of Supervisors with information on how to structure the Website as well as a range of options, since other communities with Web portals handle it differently.

“We don’t want to clutter the Website with advertising,” he said. “I didn’t think that was the direction we were going in. But we do want ideas from vendors on how to pay the ongoing cost of maintaining the portal.”

Ranalli claimed in talking with other board members of CEDAC that they didn’t see it as a site for advertising. If it turns out maintaining it is easy, the county may even want to do it, he suggested. It just depends on the degree and cost of maintenance.

Ranalli suggested CEDAC might even want to correct the RFP to reflect its intent. However the RFP has already been released with responses due back Aug. 21.

Mike Applegarth, who is the Principal Analyst in the Chief Administrative Office, repeated many of the same things that Ranalli did, saying the county will use ideas from vendors responding to the RFP for how the portal can be funded on an ongoing basis. That may or may not involve advertising, he said.

“The RFP is just asking for information at this point in order to make the project successful,” he continued. “The county doesn’t intend to compete in soliciting advertising opportunities already available to businesses. At this point we don’t know what the portal will look like, what the cost will be or how to fund it. That’s what the responses to the RFP will tell us.”

“Ultimately the Board of Supervisors will have to make the decision,” he said, “but it’s 100 percent our intent not to solicit advertising or compete with El Dorado County businesses. We don’t want to put ourselves in competition with those businesses.”

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Discussion | 42 comments

  • FranJuly 29, 2013 - 6:46 am

    There are already several web sites...if they insist on giving away money--give it to the kids...high school students know how--and it would make a good project. The kids from all the schools can link and maintain it.

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  • StanSmithJuly 29, 2013 - 3:19 pm

    Ask the CAO how much she BLEW on some Dumb Promotional videos.

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  • FranJuly 29, 2013 - 3:26 pm

    "That’s not what we meant" Why are they even giving their opinions? I did not elect Ms Harper to represent Pollock on this board...once again are they just self-appointed people who feel they are "better" some how to answer for all of us? Talk about not being qualified...I dont believe Harper has ever owned a business--why would she have any input on Economic Development? And the rest of the group? who are they...what do they actual qualify for?

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  • EldoradoJuly 29, 2013 - 3:35 pm

    Where are we finding all of these government folks? We would be better off if we paid our government employees not to work...

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  • EvelynJuly 29, 2013 - 3:37 pm

    El Dorado: I don't think "we" are finding them. Rather, those in charge hire and fire according to agenda compatibility.

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  • MorrisJuly 30, 2013 - 3:46 am

    So much for trying to sleep after switching 12 hours worth of time zone back to Pacific DOH! Time. Is it 4/1??? Unsure where to start with this one. Perhaps with my own eRFP: I will build and deliver a professional, upmarket and engaging website that is fully tested and deployment ready to El Dorado County within 60 days. User training and 45 days of post-implementation support is included within the fixed price of 40,000.00. But here's the deal: As beautiful and functional and client wow factor as my design will be, no one will actually use the thing. Putting your boots in the oven ain't going to make them biscuits folks. And meta tagging or buying your way into Google supremacy won't either. Being relavant, useful, clicked and fully supported with continuously updated content (that's daily or hourly guys not once a dead link outdated news poorly sourced year as currently offered up by the EDC) that people and provider wish to see and sell. I never thought this day would come: The Mountain Democrat and Morris 'agree'. In absence of a forecast for clear to partly raining frogs, TMD is right on the money: Give the money to the chamber. Let the people who know what they are doing...do it. It's clear the county does not. The RFP comes after the internal scoping sessions, the user requirements gathering, the creation of the business requirements document...etc, etc...then maybe then the QA test planning, proof concept, JAD sessions, TDD and dress rehearsals with your fully SIGMA qualified, PMP certified and CMM glorified vendor of intelligent choice. Clearly, anyone who thinks advertising will offset any measurable portion of the website expense should not be a part of this initiative. Could the site achieve a self-supporting or revenue positive goal? Possible. But highly unlikely. We're back to talkin bout those frogs again unlikely. So the DA is our IT Department. Wow. Is that conflict even legal? Seriously. This alone is a class-action hacks DREAM cream filled tort. Not to mention placing in jeopardy every conviction where a PD was assigned the defendant. And the State Bar blessed this DAIT thing? Wow. Wow. I can see the TV commercials now 'were you convicted of a crime in El Dorado County between mm/dd/yy? Then call 1-888-EDC-GOLD now!" Get a Facebook page. Try that on for a while; check the fit. Then give the job to people who know what they are doing. This is so Hooterville. What next, EDC WebTV RFD?

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  • DougOctober 27, 2013 - 10:03 am

    Yeah its really bad to see this El Dorado County {Community and Economic Development Advisory Committee). CEDAC select a firm outside our own county (OH WAIT, they went out of the county) Northern California Area. (Oh Wait, they went out of the California AREA), Well at least its AMERICAN MADE ! (OH WAIT the CEDAC selected a NON-American CHINESE FIRM). Well glad that the CEDAC Board has our GNP Aware of our Chinese National Debt. Community and Economic Development Advisory Committee). [ Back in the Laurel Brent-Bumb - Kevin Brown, Chair -John Clerici - Leonard Grado,John Meuser, Kris Payne , Debbie Miller - &: Director of Development Services; City Manager

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  • EvelynJuly 30, 2013 - 9:09 am

    "Dispute over funding ongoing County Web Portal Grows" - HERE: The major issue is how to fund the proposed web portal's ongoing costs. This is a real issue for the BOS as it is normal for every project to have the ongoing cost far exceeding the start-up cost. Assistant Chief Administrative Officer Kim Kerr addressed the point at the July 16 board meeting when Supervisor Ron Mikulaco asked her if the county was going to advertise and have ads popping up. She said that would be the goal, to get some advertising to help pay for the ongoing cost of the portal.

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  • Sock PuppetJuly 30, 2013 - 7:56 pm

    Howdy Folks....it's BOS-e time!

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  • FranJuly 30, 2013 - 9:26 pm

    REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL #14-918-006 DUE: 3:00 PM – August 21, 2013 http://edcapps.edcgov.us/contracts/pdf/14-918-006.pdf C. Web Portal Marketing, to include but not be limited to: 2. Generate Advertising Revenue to support the ongoing maintenance of the web portal

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  • FranJuly 30, 2013 - 10:01 pm

    @ sock puppets...new idea? Neo-prohibitionism. What is going on in the county with crop numbers? How are the grapes doing? Do apples rule? Is a group of people trying to close the bars down--and sabotage the "wine" industry...what is the impact of the wine industry in a specific dollars and cents? Look at crop report 2012 https://www.edcgov.us/Ag/Annual_Crop_Report.aspx Apples and Apple products vs Grapes alone...dont grapes have grape products? We dont make grape juice or raisins? Vinegar? Really? Well grape people...the report claims youre second--are you? The battle between apples and grapes continues...but who is affecting the answers to these questions...stay tuned...

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  • FranJuly 30, 2013 - 10:09 pm

    Value-added products made from muscadines and other grapes include juice, wine, jellies, jams and other sweet spreads, raisins, fruit rolls and other dried products, and extracts like seed oil, flavors, colors, and nutraceuticals ( “nutrition” and “pharmaceutical”) lots of grape products...so why do they stand alone as "grapes" in the report?

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  • FranJuly 30, 2013 - 10:18 pm

    Do the apple people make "hard cider?" just saying...for completion purposes. Well if there are people interfering...sssssssssshhhhhhhhhh prohibition didnt work. Apples bring tourists--families. Wineries...find your true numbers and engage more "families" (easy on the wine tasting events)--I personally do not like wine...however I also do not like hard cider.

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  • FranJuly 30, 2013 - 10:25 pm

    next idea coming up...teen curfews...luckily there is lots of links to throw down. Prohibition...curfews...did the "betters" come up with these ideas--are we going back in time? I am amused that people are even coming up with some of these ideas...lololol

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  • joseph arthurOctober 10, 2013 - 5:13 pm

    The company selected were Madison and Glogou. ATTENTION TAX PAYERS OF EL DORADO COUNTY: The Out of County companies selected Chosen by the CEDEC: GLOGOU - A online company based in CHINA. A digital and mobile marketing solutions for you to reach customers in Asia and (in particular) in China. and Madison Ave. Collective (aka the MAC) is a unique group of freelancers, consultants and professional contractors who SHARE an office and OPEN studio space in downtown Corvallis, Oregon.

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  • joseph arthurOctober 10, 2013 - 5:23 pm

    http://edcapps.edcgov.us/contracts/pdf/BidResults/14-918-006.pdf

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  • EvelynOctober 10, 2013 - 5:28 pm

    Joseph Arthur: How did you unearth this bit of information about Glogou? (HERE) -- Thank you VERY much.

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  • EvelynOctober 10, 2013 - 5:29 pm

    Ahhh ............. I see you provided the answer while I was fuming over my keyboard!!!

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  • joseph arthurOctober 10, 2013 - 8:44 pm

    Yeah i got really pissed when I saw it was a Chinese company who won the bid for the CEDEC who is trying to promote business back into the community and county here in el dorado county.

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 10, 2013 - 8:57 pm

    joseph arthur...it was a good find.

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 10, 2013 - 9:16 pm

    joseph Arthur, I like mandarin oranges. Will I be sent to a reeducation camp?

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 10, 2013 - 10:08 pm

    How are you Phil? Playing nice?

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 10, 2013 - 10:07 pm

    http://stage.edcgov.us/Government/Economic/EDAC/EDACMinutes20090123ExperienceElDoradoPresentation.aspx does any one remember if we paid out this kind of money to promote our county? Nice pic of the Harpers and Mr. Briggs--page 9.

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  • arthurOctober 11, 2013 - 11:41 am

    I am looking for information for who is on the CEDEC committee. I just can not find the individuals who are making the decisions to choose these finalists to make a Tax Payer Paid website. - First selection was a Chinese Company (not in El Dorado County) - Second selection was an Oregon Business ( a group of freelancers in an open space office/warehouse , also NOT in El Dorado County). I can also get the individual iP addresses and emails for those who want to know these out of county "companies" if others want to know. GLOGOU - chinese company Madison Ave. Collective - a group of freelancers in a open room.

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  • CorrieOctober 11, 2013 - 12:14 pm

    (530)621-5830 is the number to call about the contracts awarded to the Chinese and the Oregon company. Interesting, cause was not CEDEC set up to support local businesses for local businesses and tourism?

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  • James E.October 11, 2013 - 12:19 pm

    Is CEDEC a cancer on the body of EDC? Discuss.

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  • EvelynOctober 11, 2013 - 12:36 pm

    Arthur: THIS is the County's link to CEDAC (Community and Economic Development Advisory Committee). The first paragraph includes "View the 2013 Board of Supervisors CEDAC appointments here." Click on "here" and you will find that the current CEDAC Committee is comprised of William Abraham, Jim Brunello, Maryann Argres, Roberta Long, Jeanne Harper, Gordon Helm, Dale van Dam, Charles Downs, Danny Shillin, Mark Nava & Michael Ranalli.

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  • EvelynOctober 11, 2013 - 12:41 pm

    P.S. The group includes developers, a Mt. Dem. employee, an architect, and one or more persons with BOS aspirations.

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 11, 2013 - 12:57 pm

    This same group of people (CEDAC) represent several committees and subcommittees. Example Harper--listed--manipulates Pollock Pines through CEDAPP. Start bringing up groups...and you will find a circle of the same people. You will also see the same names from chambers and reality groups appearing with these people at events. Thank you for waking up...now unite and take them out of these positions to decide for a "whole." Fran

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  • EvelynOctober 11, 2013 - 1:06 pm

    . . . and CEDAC sub-groups such as Regulatory Reform work beyond public scrutiny. If ANYONE here can find posted records of their membership and/or meetings, PLEASE LEAVE A LINK.

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 11, 2013 - 1:05 pm

    http://www.eldoradohillschamber.com/premier_partners.html The El Dorado Hills Chamber would like to introduce our new membership tier Premier Partner Plus! Parker is there..

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  • James E.October 11, 2013 - 1:05 pm

    Is it CEDEC or CEDAC?

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  • EvelynOctober 11, 2013 - 1:08 pm

    CEDAC (Community and Economic Development Advisory Committee)

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  • James E.October 11, 2013 - 1:14 pm

    Thank you Evelyn.

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 11, 2013 - 1:18 pm

    http://www.cedac-edh.org/

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 11, 2013 - 1:23 pm

    http://www.cedac-edh.org/Subcommittees/default.html

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 11, 2013 - 1:40 pm

    http://cityofplacerville.org/civicax/filebank/blobdload.aspx?BlobID=7945 City of Placerville Economic Development Strategy Adopted by City Council on June 11, 2013 Current Committee Members: Laurel Brent-Bumb - Chamber of Commerce Representative Kevin Brown, Chair - Business Representative, Placerville Drive - 3/01/2015 term expiration John Clerici - Resident & Homeowner – 3/01/2013 term expiration Leonard Grado, Vice-Chair - Resident & Homeowner – 3/01/2015 term expiration John Meuser - Resident & Homeowner - 3/01/2015 term expiration Kris Payne - Business Representative, Main Street - 3/01/2015 term expiration Debbie Miller - Business Representative, Broadway Village - 3/01/2013 term expiration City Staff Liaisons: Director of Development Services; City Manager

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 11, 2013 - 1:51 pm

    Economic advisory committees or boards are across the USA...you can put CEDAC/Washington as an example...google it--these groups are everywhere. And their subgroups. CEDAC/El Dorado County...plug it in and surf.

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  • HerbOctober 13, 2013 - 9:48 am

    Thanks Fran, good resource. I sure they are some nice people personally and technologically on the board. But choosing to go with a Chinese out of Country company for a local American county , especially paid by United States of American citizens . - well really. Its not like we ask the Chinese to build a Tribal Casino to gamble in it themselves is a good idea either huh?

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 13, 2013 - 11:15 am

    CEDAC Duties of the Committee The Community and Economic Development Advisory Committee (CEDAC) is comprised of eleven volunteers appointed to advise the Board of Supervisors on matters related to business industry and economic development. View the 2013 Board of Supervisors CEDAC appointments here. Additionally, CEDAC is to annually review the success of the Economic Development Element and County's Economic Development Strategy, assist with the drafting and implementation of an annual 12-month action plan for the coming year, and take action to ensure sustainable economic growth and continued diversification of the economy. For further information please review the General Plan's Economic Development Element. Members of the CEDAC focus their efforts on implementing the Board approved Action Plan for Economic Development and establish teams supporting community and economic development initiatives. Regulatory Reform Community Identity Business Retention & Expansion Attraction/Incentives Economic & Demographic Profiles The CEDAC also assists in planning Business Walks in communities around the County. Supporting economic development in our county...we have people who are very capable of marketing and development in our own county. Why hire from outside--while laying off and firing from within. This group claims to be working for El Dorado s concerns...if not--change their name and mission statement.

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  • DougOctober 27, 2013 - 11:21 am

    Thank you Laurel Brent-Bumb, Kevin Brown, Chair -John Clerici – Leonard Grado,John Meuser, Kris Payne , Debbie Miller – &: Director of Development Services; City Manager ••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••• For Offering a chance for A CHINESE COMPANY for our EL DORADO COUNTY $100,000.00 bid proposal.••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••• Now we can help pay down the CHINESE Debt we owe them? - oh yeah thats USA Citizens paying OUT of State Companies. (even if they RECENTLY registered as a California Company)

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  • EvelynOctober 27, 2013 - 11:39 am

    Thank you, Doug, for commenting on this. Possibly you know that this past Thursday, Oct. 24th, CEDAC received a presentation from Rob Fong concerning the "California Center being developed in Chongqing, China." Our Services include "Assist[ing] businesses in developing a market presence in China with specific focus on Chongqing, China."

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