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From page A4 | October 09, 2013 | 61 Comments

While the federal government has been on a shutdown as the Republican House seeks to negotiate various aspects of Obamacare, such as a delay of the individual mandate, eliminating the medical device tax or eliminating the congressional exemption, one glaring error is being overlooked.

President Obama, without any legislative or congressional authority, changed a major aspect of the Affordable Healthcare Act. He temporarily waived the requirement to verify the income of those millions who looked over the health insurance exchange Website. The “temporary” waiver will continue until 2015. In the meantime everyone is on the honor system as to whether they get a government subsidy for their insurance premiums. The governmentese word is “self-attest.”

The Treasury Inspector General estimates that 21-25 percent of the Earned Income Tax Credits go to ineligible persons. The Wall Street Journal took this fraud level and calculated it would be equivalent to $250 billion in ineligible subsidy payments over a decade of Obamacare.

Incomes are supposed to be checked by the Internal Revenue Service. Failure to pay 25 percent or more of income taxes due is considered fraud by the IRS and can land a person in prison.

The house should send over a continuing resolution for a budget that includes a delay in paying out insurance premium subsidies until the government can verify incomes by cross-referencing the applicant’s latest income tax filing.

Mountain Democrat

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  • RichardOctober 09, 2013 - 7:32 am

    The Republican dominated somewhat childish management of the Mountain Democrat still just doesn’t get it: The Affordable Health Care Act (ACA) and Obamacare are NOT the same. One exists. It's appeared in a bill. It was voted on. It became law. The other is a name given by right wing pundits to a fictional program. There's no actual program in existence called "Obamacare. The ACA is a program supported by Obama and the American people, and enacted by Congress and signed into law with the President's signature. Obmacare was invented as a way of demonizing the ACA and hole heartedly supported by our local Chamber of Commerce with TOT tax funds, Republican Central Committee, most Supervisors and of course the Mountain Democrat.

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  • Dee#1October 09, 2013 - 2:16 pm

    Obamacare/ACA is one and the same. The act has been unilaterally changed by the Executive Branch with such changes as the exemptions and time frame. This means it has been illegally altered and what is enforced now it not even close to the law. In fact, Judicial Watch is suing to require that the law be followed as written. And as far as it being a law, no law is above repealing-not even Obamacare.

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  • JohnOctober 09, 2013 - 7:44 am

    FOX News is the ntiional mouthpiece of the GOP/Tea party and the MD is the local equivalent--they're both propaganda organs, not truth seekers. There's no point trying to insert logic or facts into this discussion.

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  • Vern & JoeOctober 10, 2013 - 5:38 am

    insertions welcomed

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  • EldoradoOctober 09, 2013 - 7:53 am

    On the other hand, MSNBC is the national mouthpiece of the Obama administration and all these local liberal hacks on this MD website are just propaganda organs, not truth seekers and there's no point trying to insert logic or facts into their insanity.....

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 09, 2013 - 7:57 am

    And good morning to you too, John. ~~~ FYI - both Rupert Murdoch Roger Ailes subscribe to the Mountain Democrat. The nom de plume for each on this forum is cookie65

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  • EvelynOctober 09, 2013 - 8:00 am

    Something is not working at the Mountain Democrat. While apparently today's print edition carries five letters, none can accessed online, either by using the LETTERS tab or by doing a search. The letters are: 1. Dogs in grocery stores 2. Hail to Cesar (sic), Drake and Jacob 3. Children using same restrooms 4. Government Shutdown 5. Grains of Salt

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 09, 2013 - 8:03 am

    . . . also, John, this site crashed the other morning immediately after you posted some small rant. Take it easy please.

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 09, 2013 - 8:05 am

    Yes. This site is still trying to recover from the crash suffered the other morning immediately after John posted his lib rant.

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 09, 2013 - 8:14 am

    The tag boxes are still out which appear on my browser--it just reads md. Which means--there are still problems...and from my side format is still different. Until the tag reappears--there is a problem. but it may not appear to the IT folks at the MD.

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  • James E.October 09, 2013 - 11:22 am

    I think I'm back. After a couple of days not being able to make comments (except for Evelyn's site -- thank you Evelyn) and reading the comments, it appears the value of this site is that it allows members to VENT!! This helps our mental health.

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  • Dee#1October 09, 2013 - 11:31 am

    Glad you are back. I was worried about you and Mr.Fred.

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  • James E.October 09, 2013 - 11:39 am

    Dee#1, thank you. When I couldn't get on it was like having to go to MtDemocrat comment detox. I'm still not sure my entry back will continue. Mr. Fred receives his chemo pill today and continues to do well. He sees his oncologist next week and they will scan him to see if the cancer has returned. He continues to act like a 13 year old puppy without side effects.

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  • Dink LaneOctober 09, 2013 - 1:42 pm

    Sac Bee story yesterday: 16,000 fully approved applications, 27,350 applications waiting for approval and 430 Small Businesses sign on......... in a week? I can't think of a business who wouldn't die for that kind of interest in their product....

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  • Dink LaneOctober 09, 2013 - 1:54 pm

    YOU SAID: "Treasury Inspector General estimates that 21-25 percent of the Earned Income Tax Credits go to ineligible persons."............ As Compared to the 8 Agribusinesses in SJ Valley who have 281,000 acres OVER the legal 160 acres to receive taxpayers $$$$..... and SO they collect MORE than $90 Million in taxpayer's $$$$$$ ??????............ Where is this Editor's outrage about THAT?

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  • EvelynOctober 09, 2013 - 1:56 pm

    Dink: What is the population of California now under the IRS ax? Also, please supply a link to the article.

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  • Dee#1October 09, 2013 - 2:20 pm

    That is good news about Mr.Fred.

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  • Dink LaneOctober 09, 2013 - 2:23 pm

    EVELYN: The California population = 38 Million..... and all of us are under the regulations of the IRS..... Otherwise, I don't understand. Are you saying that when you file your income tax return and you don't have health insurance you have to pay the $83? Believe me Evelyn.... The Income Tax Refund burden and the "Fire Fee" is a bigger "Yoke" around our necks than the $83 for not having for health insurance coverage (I have had since 1967) ... So where is the problem? I don't know of anyone including they 7 nephews and 4 nieces who does NOT want health insurance.... if they can get it....

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  • Dink LaneOctober 09, 2013 - 2:38 pm

    About the "temporarily waiver" (NOTE-It's Not a permanent waver) ..... was for those that ALREADY had Health Insurance plans...... AHC/Obamacare penalizes for "Cadillac Plans".... like Congresses' fitness-gym..... Also--Unions have SIGNED a contract with their employers for these "Cadillac Plans" and the waver is until that contract is Renegotiated ..... I know, I know.... Republicans think they can just come in and bust up the place..... but other people believe in signed agreements.... I really wish some of these people would READ.... I would at least expect READING from and Editor...

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  • Dee#1October 09, 2013 - 4:05 pm

    Dink, the law is the law. Obama does not have the authority to unilaterally change the law. If the law had gone through the committees and had vigorous debate many of these hiccups would have avoided. It is Obama's law. He and every one else must abide it until it is legislatively changed or repealed.

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  • muffinOctober 09, 2013 - 2:57 pm

    where is coocoo 65?

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  • muffinOctober 09, 2013 - 2:59 pm

    I hope the men in white coats haven't come!

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  • EvelynOctober 09, 2013 - 4:18 pm

    Dink: My question about CA population related to the numbers you quoted @ 1:42 pm. i.e., I was wondering what % of the total population your numbers represented. I'd still like a link to the Sac Bee article, if possible.

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  • EvelynOctober 09, 2013 - 4:29 pm

    . . . also, Dink, the very FACT of IRS compulsion tells us something about the "popularity" of Obamacare. If it really were all that great, they wouldn't have to sic the full weight of the law upon us. There would be an uncontrollable stampede of eagerly willing consumers. Regrettably, the current "stampede" is about avoiding the wrath of the law.

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  • Dink LaneOctober 09, 2013 - 4:36 pm

    DEE: The Legislative branch WRITES the laws ....... The Executive branch EXECUTES the laws.... You don't expect Congressman McClintock to tell Seal-Team-6 how to do their operations? It's NOT his job...... I am soooooo surprised when no one said a word when Pres. Bush did his "Signing statements" where he said he would NOT execute the laws that were passed.... but Obama "working" with people to help them get in compliance is WORSE than ignoring Laws totally...

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  • TeabaggedOctober 09, 2013 - 4:41 pm

    Richard Sandness is a member of the El Dorado County Dem party. Cookie 65 is Sue Taylor. Dink Lane is a fictional character written by the Dem party.

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  • Dink LaneOctober 09, 2013 - 4:47 pm

    Evelyn: Sac Bee Link http://blogs.sacbee.com/capitolalertlatest/2013/10/covered-california-health-insurance-exchange-reports-16k-completed-applications.html

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  • Dink LaneOctober 09, 2013 - 4:49 pm

    And Teabagged is real?

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  • TeabaggedOctober 09, 2013 - 4:57 pm

    Just as real as you El Dorado County Democrat Party

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  • Dee#1October 09, 2013 - 4:59 pm

    Dink, the law is the law. Obama is breaking it. Executing the law is not changing it by caveat. If he wishes to help his cronies not comply the law then it must be changed by legislative action.

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  • Dink LaneOctober 09, 2013 - 5:25 pm

    According to Thomas Jefferson (Notes on Virginia) "The President provides an organization (His Cabinet) proscribes (those things that are not legal or adaptive to the law at the time) under the name of "prerogative" (his right or privilege) the EXERCISE of all powers undefined by the laws." ..... That means in his attempt to apply the law he has the LEGAL right and privilege to make EXECUTIVE DECISIONS..... otherwise the President would just be CLERK ...... Maybe he should have done "Bush's signing statement" act and ignore Congress the Tea-Pot people didn't have problem with that...

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  • James E.October 09, 2013 - 5:40 pm

    Cookie is Sue Taylor?

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  • James E.October 09, 2013 - 5:46 pm

    California has a population around 37-38 million. I was surprised to hear today that Canada has a population around 30 million. I thought it would be much larger.

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  • Dee#1October 09, 2013 - 5:48 pm

    Dink, exactly when did the Notes on Virginia replace the Constitution? The Executive Branch may suggest legislation but may not make or change laws unilaterally. Bush is history. He is not the problem, Obama is.

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  • Dee#1October 09, 2013 - 5:54 pm

    Oh, and Dink, remember---the law is the law!

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  • James E.October 09, 2013 - 6:17 pm

    Executive Orders have been around for a long time -- even George Washington I believe. We discussed this recently. Evelyn did some research and found that Bush and Obama are running neck and neck on the total number of Executive Orders issued. As for amending the ACA, I think Congress can object. but why haven't they? Maybe a lawsuit to have the Supreme Court produce a finding?

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  • James E.October 09, 2013 - 6:23 pm

    Frank Hitler? Got me thinking of names. Robert Hitler, Herbert Hitler, Rufus Hitler, Fred Hitler, George Hitler, Bill Hitler. If his parents had given him a different first name, maybe history would have been different.

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  • Dee#1October 09, 2013 - 6:24 pm

    Judicial Watch has already filed a suit to insist that the law be followed. Progressives beware-conservative site.-----http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/lawsuit-obamacare-mandate-delay/2013/10/01/id/528694

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  • James E.October 09, 2013 - 7:51 pm

    Dee, I'm not sure what your referenced site says, but I don't believe Judicial Watch has filed a lawsuit, but rather are considering to do so. I'm sure they will.

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  • James E.October 09, 2013 - 8:28 pm

    Dee, have now read the site. Lawsuit filed Tuesday in Florida to reverse the delay of the Employer mandate.

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  • Dee#1October 09, 2013 - 8:48 pm

    That is correct. If it goes forward and is ruled in favor of Kawa, that means that the law must go forward with the original timelines. However, Kawa may not have standing because he is bucking Obama and the Courts no longer rule on law, they rule on political agendas. But kudos to Judicial Watch for trying.

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  • TeabaggedOctober 09, 2013 - 8:42 pm

    26 of our finest young people gave up their lives these past 2 weeks in worthless Afghanistan. And to make a political point, Obama notified their parents that they would not receive a death benefit. First, is the shock that we have lost 26 people in Afghanistan these past two weeks with nothing in the news. No shock or questions from the media as to why or how. Second is just how disgusting the Democrats are truly. No honor, no shame, no moral decency and no soul. You will reap what you have sown. There will be a reckoning.

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  • EvelynOctober 09, 2013 - 9:29 pm

    Teabagged @4:41 pm: On one of your i.d.s you're so far off the mark as to be downright funny. Can't speak for the other two.

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  • EvelynOctober 09, 2013 - 9:31 pm

    James: @4:41 pm. Definitely NOT.

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  • cookie65October 10, 2013 - 5:34 am

    I notice a number of cut and paste comments. Not only have I seen them at MD a number of times but elsewhere as well. They are posted by those who have volunteered to be the chicken wire and duct tape to try and hold the obamacare catastrophe together. I suspect they are provided by some leftists site that is funded by tax dollars thru the obama regime meant to be spammed in comment sections in the hopes that no one will notice what a complete joke obamacare is turning into.

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  • cOctober 10, 2013 - 5:46 am

    John, I notice you decrying FOX news as if they have anything at all to do with the abysmal roll out of our new and improved healthcare dreamed up by room temperature IQ leftists. I am curious whether or not your obsession with a couple of drops of pseudo conservatism in an Ocean of leftism is a sign of a larger issue? How can the world move FOWARD if there exists even one small alternative to 24/7 leftists propaganda? Myself, I can't watch fox or any of the others, so you can't blame them for me. I suspect most people like me also can't watch the media. I find your condition fascinating, but not isolated. It is chronic with those who drank the obama koolaid and suffer from a sort of obama/messiah disorder.

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  • EvelynOctober 10, 2013 - 6:13 am

    Dink: Thanks for the link provided @ 4:47 pm which quotes Covered California Executive Director Peter V. Lee. THIS article deals with the question, "Which doctors, hospitals will accept insurance sold by Covered California?" Not surprisingly, there are many complications.

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  • cookie65October 10, 2013 - 6:25 am

    Leftist logic 101. Add 12,000 pages of rules, regulations, taxes and bureaucrats to the nations healthcare in order to make it cheaper and more accessible.

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  • EvelynOctober 10, 2013 - 6:37 am

    "Head fake! Is Healthcare.gov only an empty shell MOCKUP of a working Obamacare exchange?" - HERE: Think about it: HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, on live television with Jon Stewart two nights ago, couldn't even answer the question of how many people have enrolled. This is a statistic you would have immediately, in real time, if the database application were actually functioning.

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  • cookie65October 10, 2013 - 6:53 am

    Dink. as long as you choose to promote reporting from healthcare providers and state agencies as some sign of success, let me remind everyone that kathleen sebelius encouraged (the same way Al Capone got his booze in all the speakeasies) to participate in the positive reporting of obamacare exchanges, even if they had to make it up. And also the obama regime has spent millions indoctrinating kids in high schools to promote obamacare. Your trust in government suggests a complete disregard for history. It is sad to see you use Thomas Jefferson in your attempt to defend government run healthcare. And even sadder to see his name attributed to the tyrannical abuses of the office of the president. I realize you don't have any use for facts but Jefferson was probably the most concerned out of all the founders of the eventual abuse the government would bestow on the citizens.

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  • cookie65October 10, 2013 - 7:03 am

    Evelyn, how long does it take your computer to give you a word count? This entire fraud is smoke and mirrors. These leftist from academia have lied for so long about even the most trivial things that they have no fear. They know beyond question the majority of the population is too stupid to know any different and they, with the endless drum beat of the leftist media, have managed to label anyone who questions them as wingnuts, baggers, racists and all the rest. Welcome to my world. History repeating itself, tyranny for our own good. By popular demand of people paid to vote.

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  • EvelynOctober 10, 2013 - 7:07 am

    Cookie: Word count? Copy + Paste to Word, maybe 15 seconds. Word count automatically appears at bottom of doc.

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  • cookie65October 10, 2013 - 7:22 am

    Exactly Evelyn, It AUTOMATICALLY keeps a count. John Stewart, "so health and human services secretary, can you tell me how many people have signed up for obamacare?" sebelius. "well know John, there no way to answer that at this time." I think his reply was something like, "do you think I am stupid?" He offered to down load every movie on Netflix while she registered for obamacare and she passed on the challenge.

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  • mmuffinOctober 10, 2013 - 10:16 am

    Ahhhhhh There it is! I thought they had finally come!

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  • Dink LaneOctober 10, 2013 - 11:10 am

    Tyranny = a government in which all power belongs to one person ....... ONE person???? President OBAMA has shutdown this government ALL BY HIMSELF???? Are you guys wearing some kind of foil hats?

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  • Tea BaggerOctober 10, 2013 - 11:49 am

    Tyranny definition-cruel and oppressive government rule. Democrats, don't piss down my back and try to tell me it's only raining.

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  • cookie65October 10, 2013 - 12:59 pm

    With all the activities that won't get a post office employee terminated, we discover one that will. http://www.kmph.com/story/23632600/fresno-mail-carrier-fired-for-throwing-away-mail-about-obamacare

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  • cookie65October 10, 2013 - 1:48 pm

    Dink, (named after the sound made when his bee bee sized brain collides with the back of his forehead upon rapid deceleration) This IS government tyranny. http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2013/October/Park-Service-Abuses-Spark-New-Battle-of-Yorktown/

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  • BOctober 10, 2013 - 7:07 pm

    Phil Veerkamp, Evelyn, Jimmy the Dog, this is not your Chat Room.

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  • BOctober 10, 2013 - 7:08 pm

    Sit Jimmy. Good Boy!!

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  • PatriceOctober 10, 2013 - 7:56 pm

    And where is Raphael "Ted" Cruz? Hiding, no doubt. You have been exceedingly busy cookie noname. Are you ranting more than usual all over this sight to demonstrate that you are not who you have been accused of being? If you are her, it is fortunate you didn't win.

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