Wednesday, April 23, 2014
PLACERVILLE, CALIFORNIA
99 CENTS

Race and crime

In the wake of George Zimmerman’s acquittal of second degree murder charges in Florida there is a hue and cry raised by the NAACP, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder and others about black profiling and civil rights.

Some African-American leaders have argued that blacks are incarcerated at high rates because of white prejudice.

But some statistics provided by Jason L. Riley of the Wall Street Journal’s editorial board in a column Tuesday cast a different light on the issue of crime and race:

“African-Americans constitute about 13 percent of the population, yet between 1976 and 2005 blacks committed more than half of all murders in the U.S. The black arrest rate for most offenses — including robbery, aggravated assault and property crimes — is typically two to three times their representation in the population.”

In response to blaming the system and white profiling, Riley’s responded, “Black crime and incarceration rates spiked in the 1970s and ’80s in cities such as Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago and Philadelphia under black mayors and black police chiefs. Some of the most violent cities in the U.S. today are run by blacks.”

Of course, Chicago has a white mayor and police superintendent. The last black police superintendent left in 2003. Chicago is cited by many commentators as having one of the most horrific black-on-black murder rates.

“The homicide rate claiming black victims today is seven times that of whites, and the George Zimmermans of the world are not the reason. Some 90 percent of black murder victims are killed by other blacks,” Riley wrote.

It’s no wonder the new black migration pattern is out of the industrial North and back to the Southern states. The Rev. Jesse Jackson and agitator Al Sharpton would help their fellow African-Americans more by calling for reform and self-improvement rather than stirring up racial discord.

Mountain Democrat

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  • cookie65July 19, 2013 - 6:54 am

    "I AGREE with the verdict." -Charles Barkley on the acquittal of George Zimmerman. http://www.ijreview.com/2013/07/66730-charles-barkley-the-voice-of-reason-on-the-zimmerman-case/

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  • kggJuly 19, 2013 - 8:33 am

    these 1980-2008 statistics are from the department of justice: http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf overall, blacks committed 52.5% of murders in the usa in regards to felony murders, drug related deaths, and deaths resulting in an arguement. whites had the majority in deaths from sexual violence and gang related. jesse jackson and al sharpton are not agitators "stirring up racial discord". they are two of many voices in black and white communities calling for equal justice under the law for all americans. martin luther king junior, rosa parks, ralph david abernathy, and medgar evers were also referred to as agitators stirring up racial discord. may God bless the memories of these great americans.

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  • DanielJuly 19, 2013 - 8:59 am

    The problem with stats and "studies" like these is that they start with the prejudiced presumption that race is real, and that race itself is a causal factor for other social ills. They then work backwards from that flawed conclusion to generate evidence that justifies it. This is of course utter nonsense. Race is a social invention designed to justify giving one group privileges over "others". The real driving factors for the social ills mentioned in the article, like crime, is socioeconomic status. The median income of whites in the U.S. is over $100,000 a year; for blacks it's a meager $5,000 approximately. The recession destroyed all progress non-whites had made. If you compare the criminality of poor young white males to equally poor non-white young males, the racial differences are diminished. The racial differences in criminality among the poor are small, due more to a discriminatory system that arrests, prosecutes and incarcerates non-whites more than whites even for similar offenses. Cops, judges, lawyers, etc. are disproportionately white. So are legislators who write inherently discriminatory laws (e.g. stand your ground, stop and frisk, etc.).

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  • Jack MartinJuly 19, 2013 - 9:43 am

    Daniel, I have relatives in the poorest areas of Appalachia and east Texas, predominantly white populations living in abject poverty. The volume, and type, of crimes committed there do not compare with the likes of Oakland, Oak Park, Chicago, whatever. I'm not about to proffer a reason why there is a difference, I just know that that there is.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 19, 2013 - 9:49 am

    Careful, Jack. "Noticing" is waaaaay to close to . . . uh . . . . ah . . . nevermind. . .

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  • DanielJuly 19, 2013 - 10:07 am

    Jack, urban vs. rural, I.e. population density, is another key factor. There are studies that show that urban poor white areas are nearly as bad as urban black areas. Same goes when you compare rural poor white vs. rural poor black areas. Note that the "white ghettoes" of several European nations are just as crime ridden as any non-white poor area. My point is that biological race (which doesn't exist except as a social invention) is a terrible predictor. Correlation does not equate to causation. And if you think "race" causes poverty, then you're really in dire need of an education of the history and current state of race relations in the U.S.

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  • Dink LaneJuly 19, 2013 - 12:24 pm

    The biggest shock this "Born & Raised" Californian had was when I went to Keesler AFB in MS back in 1965. A "Born & Raised" Mississippian said to me .... "We're good our our coloreds down here. Our coloreds know their place, and we take care of them. They're not like those Northerners who think they can go just any place. Our boys know their place."..... And that's what I hear when I read the article and these comments. ..... Your blind ignorance keeps you from seeing the obvious.... You're like that Southerner.... "Our poor people, don't rob us up here on this here mountain. But them Black poor people down in the city, they don't know their place."

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  • MorrisJuly 19, 2013 - 1:39 pm

    I am a Southerner. Lived the majority of my life in the Deep South. I cook low country, go to pig pickins, eat hoop cheese, fly the Stars and Bars and run on Cheer Wine and Copenhagen. So while I might look like a random Cracker and sound like Gomer Pyle, it would be a mistake to assume I'm a racist. Today. But 30 years ago I would have found validation in this article for all that was wrong with the world and who is to blame. Now mind you, my people were never outright hateful to non-whites; we just considered ourselves more civilized and as such....superior. One would not hear the 'N' word out our mouth but the subtle under breath 'it appears to be a bit 11:59' could be heard uttered as signal we might find another restaurant down the road; our initial selection being a mistake. Of those days, I am not proud. But a funny thing happened before moving to Chicago: Our Pastor corralled me into 'volunteering' to work one day a week across 'the line' within an all black community. First thing learned: it's much harder to dislike folks you have to look in the eye. Second thing learned: A small bit about what it is like to live in a place where abject poverty cripples even some of the brightest of minds. Where the lack of role models begat lack of role models begat lack of role models and on and on it swirls with drugs, teen pregnancy and cheap liquor pulling another generation, then another circling the drain. And those few who manage to hold their head high - elderly women mostly - find themselves exhausted and raising great grand children. You get to know these folks, the addict, the drunk, the 15 year old mother and the 80 year old great grandmothers, and it doesn't take long to understand that these statistics and the individual who quotes them in this broad sfroke is a bigot. He quotes the numbers and walks away. Satisfied. When the real issue here is not numbers but real human beings; many of whom have lost hope. Or don't even know what direction in which to search for it. I instinctively knew how to prepare for college; the biggest dilemma of the process was Clemson or Southern Methodist? Imagine not knowing how to prepare an entrance essay, what attire is appropriate for recruitment...which fork to use. Thus, failure. Lather. Rinse. Repeat. Time marches on and the tote board adds another percentage point. And makes us feel a little better for caring nothing about it.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 19, 2013 - 1:48 pm

    MORRIS - tip o' th' hat!

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  • DanielJuly 19, 2013 - 2:20 pm

    Beautifully put Morris, and honest as can be. Your tale supports my argument that it's poverty, not skin color that predicts social ills like criminality. I can show you some rural poor white areas in this broad area that are burdened with drug/alcohol addiction, generational welfare dependency and criminal acts against fellow residents. I've served in murder trials in this area and my wife has done charity work for years with local children. Again, contrary to the Mountain Democrat's thesis in this editorial, the destructiveness of poverty is no respecter of skin color. It's sad that our only local newspaper would take such an extremist position. You need to do better MD. Instead of starting with the false premise of "Race and Crime," think "Poverty and Crime."

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  • kggJuly 19, 2013 - 2:32 pm

    daniel wrote: "It’s sad that our only local newspaper would take such an extremist position." kgg wrote: not just sad but outrageous and irresponsible.

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  • MorrisJuly 19, 2013 - 5:37 pm

    Uh oh. The butt is taking control: 'Black Migration Pattern'?? So when white folk head south we call it 'relocating'. When Hispanics move north we call it an 'invasion'. And the black folk get 'migration pattern'. Thank you Marlon Perkins. The relocation trend is pretty simple: Jobs, weather and real estate. And the Industrial North hasn't been industrial for over a decade now.

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  • PvillejackJuly 19, 2013 - 6:44 pm

    I would have expected and editorial like this to be printed in the deep south in the '50s and '60s, but not in California in 2013. Maybe a certain newspaper owner should do a little migrating south.

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  • cookie65July 20, 2013 - 5:35 am

    Morris, you comment from 1:39 is well said. The issue of poverty and crime is down the list for drugs and crime. How often is some place robbed by someone wearing $150 tennis shoes and carrying a $500 cell phone? Poverty does not cause carjackings. How many trillions have we the taxpayers pumped into these areas only to see them get worse? The youth have been turned over to things that romanticize and glamorize the gansta thug lifestyle. Hollywood and the hip hop industries have made a fortune selling the most un-inspirational demeaning degrading "entertainment" ever recorded. Positive roll models are not the ones held up, quite the opposite. Few things are more depressing than stopping at some intersection along side some car that has the most disgusting, vile, disrespectful and even violent music blaring only to notice a couple of toddlers strapped in the back seat. The reason we can't have an honest discussion about race is because those who profit off of keeping race an excuse for so many will not allow it. There are plenty of roll models, scientists, professors, writers, engineers, pilots, doctors, ceo's, secretary's of state, chief of staff's, generals, and even a president. There was a pictorial comparison floating around the net a while back. It was a time laps of Hiroshima, Japan from 1950 to today compared to Detroit from 1950 to today. If a politicians money, power and influence is dependent on people being in abject poverty and dependence guess what you are going to have? Detroit has kept the same people in charge for 50 years, when do we start being honest about that?

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  • cookie65July 20, 2013 - 5:39 am

    http://pjmedia.com/spengler/2013/07/15/what-do-you-do-when-the-oppressed-are-their-own-worst-oppressors/

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 20, 2013 - 5:55 am

    Cookie - Tip o' th' hat!

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  • cookie65July 20, 2013 - 5:58 am

    obama and the rest of the race hustlers have no interest in elevating the youth, their cushy life of privilege comes from keeping them exactly where the are. obama said, "Trayvon Martin could have been me." That statement was a complete disgrace because it was focused on obama's make believe past rather than Trayvon Martin's future. Had he meant that Trayvon could have been president by making different choices in life it would have been a statement of leadership and inspiration, instead it was just another display of victimization.

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  • MWJuly 20, 2013 - 8:03 am

    There's a reason why El Dorado County has the reputation it has and the mindset that formed this opinion above is the reason why. Having worked in a high-level position studying and researching gangs and the current statistics and literature on the causes of gangs and youth violence, let me sum it up for you: it is lack of opportunity. If you are in a low-income school and not reading by third grade, no matter your ethnicity, you are more likely to end up behind bars. If you live in an abject generational cycle of poverty, you are likely to end up in the system on welfare (and not know how to escape it, plus you are probably not reading by third grade). If your skin is dark, you have less opportunity to be hired. If you live in squalid conditions, you lose hope. This applies to anyone, regardless of ethnicity. Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs sums it up: if you cannot meet your basic needs of food, shelter, water, sleep etc., and your needs of safety, you cannot move on to self-actualization and to reach your personal potential. http://www.simplypsychology.org/maslow.html In fact, the social needs of belonging and family, if not met by the actual family, leads young people to join gangs which helps them (mistakenly) meet their basic, safety, social, and self esteem needs. Anecdotal, but in response to the "violent" rap music spoken about by another commenter, I asked an African American friend about that. He told me that rap music is not what the rapper WANTS to do, but is about what his or her life is or was about and their experiences. Which is pretty sad. I'd like to point out that if you look at drug abuse in our county, it is a caucasian issue. So before you start condemning, go volunteer at a low-income school and help kids with reading and math and critical thinking skills and art and music and physical education. Volunteer for Big Brothers Big Sisters, a proven evidence-based mentoring program. Volunteer at the library literacy program to help adults learn to read. All of these opportunities are here in this county. Make a difference.

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  • cookie65July 20, 2013 - 8:49 am

    MW, you mention lack of opportunity. In 1960 Detroit Michigan had the highest per capita income in the nation. The residence of El Dorado county did not destroy it. All of these communities and inner cities which used to be thriving neighborhoods did not become war zones because of outside forces. They did it to themselves. Everything you sight is just another attempt to blame everything but the single cause of the destruction, leftists corruption. Leftism feeds off the destruction of people and no where is that more evident than Detroit Michigan.

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  • cookie65July 20, 2013 - 9:12 am

    Phil, have you seen the greatest tweet to ever grace the 140 character limit of twitter? "If obama had a city it would look like Detroit"

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  • FranJuly 20, 2013 - 9:50 am

    Cookie...Most copied? Obamacare tweet..."You know things are bad when you can’t even successfully implement your own bad ideas."

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  • DanielJuly 20, 2013 - 10:31 am

    Great post MW. Thanks for contributing something constructive to the conversation. We (as a society) need to keep talking, and listening to each others' experiences and ideas. Empathy means at least trying to see and feel what it's like to walk in an "other's" shoes. I'm concerned that Americans are losing their empathy. It's not a right/left thing, it's a human thing. It's about what kind of society you want to live in and be a part of, even if you're personally doing OK.

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  • James E.July 20, 2013 - 10:47 am

    "I've not mine, to hell with everyone else."

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  • cookie65July 20, 2013 - 10:52 am

    That is funny Fran. Daniel, we have redistributed upwards of $17 trillion on empathy. It has only multiplied the problem. I notice how the "conversation" never ever includes that fact. Don't be fooled by MW's claim to have a high-level position studying and researching gangs and the current statistics and literature on the causes of gangs and youth violence. I promise you it is nothing more than making excuses for even more redistribution of wealth. Go visit some of that free low income housing and look at how well it is cared for by those who do nothing to earn it. Leftism is the rejection of human nature and behavior. In the wild animals usually spend a year or less raising their young. Humans spend 18 years. The more leftism has an influence on raising our young the worse the results get. The prosecution's star witness in the Zimmerman trial was exactly what happens when you let a village raise your children.

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  • cookie65July 20, 2013 - 10:57 am

    “liberals seem to assume that, if you don’t agree with their particular political solutions, then you don’t really care about the people they claim to want to help.” --Thomas Sowell Thomas Sowell is a minority from the inner city, by the way.

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  • Dink LaneJuly 20, 2013 - 11:15 am

    Travon Martin was an honor student. His mother holds an upper-management position. He came from a good home.......Travon was approached because he was walking while "black." ...... He had NOT done ONE thing different what you and I do when we walk home...... Zimmerman followed him because he was Black. "They always get away. They always get away," the tape said.......I think Pres. Obama said it best.... "What if Travon had the gun and Zimmerman was shot?......... If you aren't sure that it would end up the same way, then THAT'S where the discussion should BEGIN.".... If you find yourself saying that is "Race-Bating" .... what does that say about YOU?

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  • EvelynJuly 20, 2013 - 11:21 am

    Though believing categorizing ourselves and others with politically-charged labels is restrictive and dangerous, if forced to select but one label from the predetermined set that gets bandied about, I would have to call myself a liberal. Having said that, I find Thomas Sowell's assumption about liberals just that: an assumption. Many such assumptions and generalizations are made on these pages.

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  • PvillejackJuly 20, 2013 - 11:24 am

    I thought about starting a new drinking game...Every time Cookie uses the word leftist you take a drink. I re-thought the idea when I realized the Placerville area would the highest rate of alcoholism on earth.

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  • kggJuly 20, 2013 - 6:40 pm

    placerville jack wrote: "I thought about starting a new drinking game...Every time Cookie uses the word leftist you take a drink." kgg wrote: i doubt there's enough jack daniels in the world to accomplish this feat.

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  • cookie65July 20, 2013 - 11:32 am

    Evelyn, I do not use that particular term unless it is included in some quote I am posting. It is true however as James makes clear with his comment. "I've not mine, to hell with everyone else." I don't know anyone who thinks that way, but since I think redistribution of wealth is theft and solves nothing I get accused of exactly what James said. It is convenient to have someone endorse a quote about the same time someone else is denying it.

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  • cookie65July 20, 2013 - 11:34 am

    pvillejack, how do we discuss the dead end this country is headed towards and not mention leftism?

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  • cookie65July 20, 2013 - 11:38 am

    Dink, what imaginary planet does your tinfoil hat receive signals from?

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  • Dink LaneJuly 20, 2013 - 11:55 am

    cookie, cookie, cookie..... Can't you put down the talking points (i.e. Redistribution of wealth)? ..... and talk about the REAL issues? Don't listen to Glenn Beck.... "They" are NOT coming to get you, your guns, and your $$$ ...... This country was BUILT on people coming to the table to talk -- discussions... not by Chicken "The-sky-falling" Little running around outside calling out silly statements.

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  • James E.July 20, 2013 - 12:13 pm

    *** strike not, add got. Let me repeat for clarity: "I've got mine, to hell with everyone else."

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  • cookie65July 20, 2013 - 12:17 pm

    Dink, I have never heard glen beck so much for your "don't listen to glen beck" talking point. If you take other peoples money away from leftism what is left? It creates nothing it produces nothing. It is completely and totally dependent on other people's money. It is reaping without sowing. It is the false premise that the government can make us all equal. Not by elevating those at the bottom but by tearing down those at the top. Except for the select few (elite) who support it and enrich themselves off of it.

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  • James E.July 20, 2013 - 12:22 pm

    Listening to Tom Sullivan while going down the hill for Mr. Fred's cancer visit -- Tom commented on the President's comments and Tom said that the President really didn't mean it and was doing it purely for political reasons. Have you noticed that if the President would say that children like ice cream the Tea/Republicans would say he really didn't mean it and was saying it only for political reasons. If the President would say that it takes a year for the earth to circle the sun, the Tea/Republicans would say he really didn't mean it and was saying it purely for political reasons. Do you see a trend here?

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  • James E.July 20, 2013 - 12:54 pm

    We are taxed in American to provide for defense and the general welfare of our people. No question there is waste and fraud, but, in the end, we put our dollars into the pot for defense and the general welfare because how could we, as a nation both right and left, do otherwise? Unless, of course, one subscribes to "I've got mine, to hell with everyone else."

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  • Dink LaneJuly 20, 2013 - 12:59 pm

    James -- The Republicans have twisted themselves in to such a pretzel keeping from agreeing with ANYTHING Pres. Obama says..... What's funny is when someone shows a VIDEO of them when they were for it -- before they were against it.

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  • Dink LaneJuly 20, 2013 - 1:09 pm

    Cookie -- Are you saying "redistribution" = taxes? Or, are you saying someone is going into your bank account and taking your money? I never see where the top 1% is losing any wealth. ..... I don't see where YOU are losing money. In fact since Obama took office, your taxes went DOWN..... so "redistribution of wealth" is a talking point with NO FACT .... Unless... your talking about the homeowner "who made every payment" and the Bank Forecloses .... because the Bank is PAID $$$$ when they foreclose on houses (that's why they ignore paperwork) ..... Yes, that is Redistribution.... But I think you are arguing for the RICH.... not the middle class... I apologize if I'm wrong.

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  • James E.July 20, 2013 - 1:14 pm

    Be back later. Wife wants to go shop -- one of her most serious sins.

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  • DanielJuly 20, 2013 - 1:14 pm

    I'm tired of being dragged into the mudpit by those who sabotage and highjack a long-overdue intelligent reasoned discussion about race by incessantly making up and connecting dots to mythical monsters (e.g. evil leftism, socialism). All the evidence, and I mean ALL THE EVIDENCE, points to the only form of wealth redistribution that has taken place for decades has been from the bottom/middle to the top. Trickle down trickled up, and it's time to wake up to the reality of a socioeconomic experiment that failed catastrophically. I drank that koolaid too, but at least my critical and analytical brain can still discern failure from success. The matter of race and poverty transcends simple-minded political left-right binaries. It pervades the very fabric of our society. We need to have this conversation now! I for one won't take the bait. I just think of that George Bernard Shaw quote: "I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig, you get dirty; and besides, the pig likes it."

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  • PvillejackJuly 20, 2013 - 4:28 pm

    Well said, Daniel.

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  • cookie65July 20, 2013 - 5:31 pm

    OK, lets start here. http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2013/07/white-baby-murdered-by-black-teens-who-was-antonio-west-2683922.html If you wish to have an intelligent discussion show me by explaining in 3 sentences or less how Detroit went from what it was to what it is. I find most people don't want to have an honest discussion that leads to one simple fact, individuals are solely responsible for their choices and behavior.

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  • cookie65July 20, 2013 - 5:32 pm

    How about we make it even more simple, tell me what freedoms I have that others don't.

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  • cookie65July 20, 2013 - 5:57 pm

    Let's have an honest, intelligent discussion. We can start by eliminating the dept of education. Outlaw all teachers unions. Give kids the change to escape failing schools thru vouchers. Make it possible to fire teachers who have no business in the classroom. Eliminate the dozens of layers of administration so the money actually gets to the classroom. Pay teachers based on merit and performance and turn education back into education. Bring some discipline and expectations back into education. I find people who claim to want to have an honest and intelligent conversation about this subject only do if they get to define what honest and intelligent mean.

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  • James E.July 20, 2013 - 5:59 pm

    Cookie, I don't really don't know what I'm talking about, but I'll try: 1. Car manufacturers started to go bust to the point of almost bankruptcy. That was then, this is now and thank you government for intervening. Someone wanted the car manufacturers to go bankrupt so the judge could modify/delete contracts with the workers. Wonder who that was? His name slips my mind at the moment. 2. Without middle class jobs people (and small companies and businesses due to lack of customers) began to exit Detroit. 3. Without jobs and people, not enough people and companies and businesses were paying taxes to pay the bills, causing a slide into bankruptcy.

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  • cookie65July 20, 2013 - 6:02 pm

    Did you know Florida has academic expectations based on race? Tell me who that is good for and who it harms? It isn't conservatives telling these kids that they can't do the work of the other kids. Keeping them dumbdown and voting democrat. http://tampa.cbslocal.com/2012/10/12/florida-passes-plan-for-racially-based-academic-goals/

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  • cookie65July 20, 2013 - 6:04 pm

    Great answer James. Mitt Romney is the reason Detroit went from what it was to what it is. WOW doesn't quite say it. So much for an intelligent conversation.

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  • James E.July 20, 2013 - 6:17 pm

    Cookie, I didn't say that Romney was the reason Detroit has gone bankrupt. I said he wanted the car manufacturers to go bankrupt as they were on the point of failing. Two different subjects.

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  • Kirk MacKenzieJuly 20, 2013 - 6:26 pm

    Cookie -- "It isn't conservatives telling these kids that they can't do the work of the other kids." Actually, it is conservatives...check out the CVs of the members of the Florida State Board of Education. One even worked for Gov. Romney's 2008 campaign.

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  • James E.July 20, 2013 - 6:26 pm

    Time to take on fuel -- be back later.

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  • FranJuly 20, 2013 - 7:04 pm

    http://www.globaldetroit.com/about/vision-history/ One world.

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  • FranJuly 20, 2013 - 7:07 pm

    http://dev.detroitworksproject.com/for-detroit-to-work-we-need-action-today/ The future city

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  • FranJuly 20, 2013 - 7:31 pm

    plug in Detroit and Tyler technology...http://www.legalnews.com/detroit/947912

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  • FranJuly 20, 2013 - 7:34 pm

    what did the people of CEDAC say...we have worked so hard on the data--we can not give up on LUPPU...Detroithttp://datadrivendetroit.org/

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  • FranJuly 20, 2013 - 8:56 pm

    http://datadrivendetroit.org/ check out there related research...

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  • cookie65July 21, 2013 - 5:19 am

    At one of the Justice for Trayvon rent a mob protest there was a banner that said, “Stop the war on black youth”. Interesting statement to make since the war on black youth is being waged by other black youth. Another slogan conceived out of pure emotion without any evidence of critical thinking. Going back to where the left took credit for civil rights legislation which they unsuccessfully obstructed, they did manage to accomplish a few things. The left sold themselves to blacks as the benevolent parents and guardians of the black community. Through various strategies and selectively chosen black spokespeople they persuaded the black community to hand over their individuality, self-determination and future to the all-knowing all-caring American left. Anyone who would claim that the left has not taken the black community under their wing as it were and made them believe they would be responsible in providing for them is a fool and a liar. Since then what does the record look like? Their communities have failed, their education has failed, their out of wedlock birth rates have gone through the roof, they have aborted millions of their offspring, their criminal record dwarfs any other group and their jobless rate is by far the highest in the nation. Their jobless rate since the election of obama has gotten even worse. They have made them dependent on government thru welfare, foodstamps and other perpetual poverty programs. True to form the left now blames everyone else for this outcome. The only possible way for the left to keep them on the plantation with this record of performance is to keep playing the race card, which they do every time any leftist theory fails. Isn’t it comforting to know the left feels they are qualified to take over the lives of the entire country. http://www.news10.net/news/photo-gallery.aspx?storyid=251334

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 21, 2013 - 5:37 am

    You're screwed, Cookie ~~~ TOXICARROTOSIS

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  • EvelynJuly 21, 2013 - 5:48 am

    Good one, Fran. Now plug in El Dorado and Tyler. After our fancy new system is up and running the County should hire a junior research assistant to read the Mt. Democrat.

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  • cookie65July 21, 2013 - 5:56 am

    Back to my Detroit question. How did they get from where they were to where they are? THEY RAN OUT OF OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY!!!!!

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  • cookie65July 21, 2013 - 5:58 am

    I looked that one up Phil. I can't find a definition. Go ahead and give it to me, I can take it. LOL!!

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  • EvelynJuly 21, 2013 - 6:00 am

    Toxocariasis

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 21, 2013 - 6:03 am

    Cookie, discussion on TOXICARROTOSIS begins at July 20, 2013 - 9:57 pm here ~~~ http://www.mtdemocrat.com/news/placerville-makes-thank-you-video/

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  • cookie65July 21, 2013 - 6:21 am

    LOL, lucky for me my garden is full of cucumbers. Way more than I can eat so I have to give most of them away. I had a blt last night made with fresh tomato's from my garden. indescribably delicious. I did see the toxocariasis and I may have worms.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 21, 2013 - 6:26 am

    At the risk of delegitimizing toxocarrotosis I have to point out that this deadly phenomenon was first pointed out and brought into the public domain by Rush Limbaugh.

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  • cookie65July 21, 2013 - 6:27 am

    Back to Detroit, they successfully ran off the eeeeevil capitalists which leftism needs to even exist so we are seeing the results of leftists when they are successful. And it ain't pretty. Those who support it are considered to be the smartest among us. Tyranny is the only logical outcome of leftism.

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  • cookie65July 21, 2013 - 6:31 am

    Rush has mastered the use of absurdity to illustrate the absurd. He has turned making fun of the stupidity of leftists into an artform.

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  • cookie65July 21, 2013 - 6:44 am

    I have to give you credit Phil for the use of absurdity. A few weeks back you bemoaned the late arrival of the EPA to prevent the massive erosion that lead to the creation of the Grand Canyon.

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  • EvelynJuly 21, 2013 - 6:45 am

    Great follow-on, cookie, regarding the outbreak of toxocariasis!

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  • cookie65July 21, 2013 - 7:06 am

    Evelyn, would you recommend quarantine? I am certain some on here would support it.

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  • EvelynJuly 21, 2013 - 7:10 am

    N/A !!!

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  • cookie65July 21, 2013 - 7:12 am

    Short but funny!!! The purveyors of perpetual racism are going to boycott oranges. You can't make up the stupidity of the koolaid drinkers. http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/07/trayvon-rallies-feature-the-usual-suspects.php

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  • EvelynJuly 21, 2013 - 7:15 am

    HERE: Detroit "has over $18 billion in accrued obligations – approximately $11.9 billion in unsecured obligations to lenders and retirees and over $6.4 billion in obligations backed by enterprise revenues or that are otherwise secured (collectively, the "Revenue Bonds"). Currently, more than $0.38 of every tax dollar that the City collects goes to service legacy debt and other obligations rather than toward providing services for the City's residents and businesses. If nothing changes, that number is expected to grow to almost $0.65 of every dollar in less than five years.

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  • EvelynJuly 21, 2013 - 7:23 am

    Speaking of "Detroit", back in Feb 2011 it was reported that El Dorado County’s unfunded pension liability had increased by $172 million, thereby making its total CalPERS’ pension shortfall more than $264 million.

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  • cookie65July 21, 2013 - 7:39 am

    The public sector retiree obligations are a national epidemic. The judge who ruled against Detroit's bankruptcy on behave of the unions made it clear that telling 100,000 creditors to go $cr3w themselves was constitutional but altering irresponsible and unsustainable retiree contracts was unconstitutional. Basically she made reality unconstitutional.

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  • cookie65July 21, 2013 - 8:02 am

    Evelyn, knowing what a strident fan you are of The Affordable (LOL) Care Act, I thought you would enjoy this. This is from the Washington Post, one of the koolaid pushers who committed journalistic malpractice by promoting this freedom altering example of leftists tyranny. This is the very first paragraph. " As the reality of Obamacare emerges, a disastrous calamity imposed on the American people, even the most compliant members of the Obama fan club are beginning to panic. Three union presidents have sent Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi a scathing letter decrying Obamacare, showing just how out-of-control this law has become. This astonishing reversal has been underreported so far, except by the ever-vigilant Tom Gara in the Wall Street Journal." http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2013/07/19/the-insiders-obamacare-is-falling-apart/

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  • cookie65July 21, 2013 - 8:07 am

    On a side note to letting the leftists take over our national healthcare. The Senate Minority Leader, Mitch McConnell has taken to carting around a 7ft. tall stack of paper around the Senate as an illustration of the bureaucracy within obamacare.

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  • James E.July 21, 2013 - 11:05 am

    Boycott oranges?? Oh, oranges from Florida.

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  • James E.July 21, 2013 - 11:10 am

    Senator McConnell carting around a 7 foot tall stack of papers (on a cart I hope, which Mitch pulls with a rope as he moves around the Senate). Mitch, ever the showman!!

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  • FranJuly 21, 2013 - 11:53 am

    Bankrupt Detroit cannot wait for federal cavalry: city manager http://tinyurl.com/nyq39uk

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  • FranJuly 21, 2013 - 12:00 pm

    24 Shocking Facts About Detroit That You Won’t Believe http://tinyurl.com/mk8fvsk

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  • FranJuly 21, 2013 - 12:19 pm

    Complaint Review: Ghost Mountain Resort http://tinyurl.com/knujpyq I knew there were rules....but "ouch."

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  • cookie65July 21, 2013 - 8:37 pm

    Massive public sector debt is crushing this country. But the left who profited off of all these unsustainable promises already bought the votes with it so who cares. http://www.freep.com/article/20130721/NEWS06/307210073/

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