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The weekly Daley: Obamacare and other messes

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From page A4 | November 08, 2013 | 314 Comments

Like many others, I had high hopes when the president first announced his intention to secure a reform of the nation’s healthcare system with a focus on providing a reasonable level of services to the many millions of uninsured or severely under-insured Americans. Universal healthcare is what he had in mind, I believed. A system kind of like those in effect in places like Canada, Sweden, France and the U.K. but with features tailored to America and the American way of life. That’s what I was looking for. My disappointment with Obamacare is in line with those who believe it didn’t go far enough to actually reform the system.

The individual mandate is silly and un-American. The waivers and loopholes are sleazy and too American. (See the tax code for a comparable example.) The exchanges are something out of a nightmare, not unlike trying to get help with your computer by calling a number that nobody works at and listening to Muzak until you can’t stand it anymore. That’s the number that says your call will be answered in approximately eight minutes to 17 hours and that “your call is important to us.”

When early reports pointed out that the Affordable Care Act was running up into the thousands of pages, I despaired. When early reports said the Website was virtually unusable, I despaired even more. What I’d had in mind was a simple fix.  You set up a system that ensures that everyone gets treatment when they need it. We already have models such as Medicare, Medicaid, Medi-Cal. You don’t have to mess with systems already in place for people who get insurance from their employer or can afford their own. One system should have no bearing on the other. The tax structure should have been altered to pay for the system. We’re paying for the indigent and uninsured anyway, we’re told, usually through higher costs for care at the pump, as it were. And part of the problem with that is the inconsistency found from one part of the country to another — or one part of a state to another — or even one part of town to another.

In effect, you can get a new liver for $59,350 here. Over there, it’ll run you close to a quarter of a million, maybe more.

My brother the conservative called the other night and opened the conversation with something like, “Well, your guy is a $%*& liar. What do you think of that?” I ascertained that he was quoting something he’d just heard on FOX reminding that the president had said “If you like your health plan and your doctor, you can keep them both.” And evidently that may not be 100 percent true. Ergo, the president is a “$%*& liar.” From his perspective there’s no acceptable middle ground, no way to lessen the intentional deceit.

I don’t know anyone who has lost their doctor or their health insurance but I’ll accept that for some reason there are some. Whether it was the fault of the ACA or not, I’ll have to hang fire and find out more about it. On the surface, it seems to me that nothing in the ACA flat-out requires insurance companies to cancel individual policies. So blaming Obamacare for the actions of an insurance company is a bit misdirected. I’ve always heard that a company can cancel its contract with you if it wants to. My car insurance company did that to me one time. That the insurance company says some aspects of the ACA could cause it to lose some money, therefore it’s going to cancel your policy, I could understand. But, it’s the company, not the ACA that’s cancelling your policy. The president tarted it up a little too much. I’ll acknowledge that.

And that’s the problem with trying to combine the old fashioned American healthcare system with a pseudo-universal healthcare system. The old fashioned system is basically governed by the law of the jungle. We only like it because it’s familiar, and many, if not most of us, never have to ponder coming up with seven or eight or $15,000 for one pill or one laser blast or whatever. Our insurance covers it and passes its cost on to other people.

The ACA was supposed to bring healthcare to those who couldn’t afford it on their own. How and where did that concept go south?

Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. G.W. Bush told us so, not once but a dozen times or more. Vice President Cheney confirmed it. Colin Powell reiterated it at the U.N. The invasion and war in Iraq was to be “a walk to the beach,” purported by Donald Rumsfeld. I mentioned that to my brother and reminded him that he had not insisted those guys were liars. He didn’t remember.

I don’t remember a lot of the same people who now call Obama a liar saying the same about George W. and Dick Cheney and Company. Think of John McCain, Lindsey Graham and a host of others, not to mention Rush, and Hannity, et. al. Apparently it’s OK for one president to stretch the truth or more accurately, embellish a statement with hope, as long as it’s for a cause that one believes in. Not OK for another president to do it in a cause one does not believe in. Go figure.

Chris Daley is a staff writer and columnist for the Mountain Democrat. His column appears each Friday.

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  • WayneNovember 06, 2013 - 5:43 pm

    You are amazingly unfamiliar with the facts...knowledgable people (such as some of the ones you impugn) have been warning us for years of what is contained in the thousands of pages of regulations. There is much worse stuff yet to occur...this is nothing! And, lying is lying is lying.! When our journalists are unable to acknowledge and report on the facts, we are in more trouble than Obamacare. Wayne

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  • EvelynNovember 06, 2013 - 5:55 pm

    Thank you, Wayne. It is true that "we are in more trouble than Obamacare". Journalists dare not tell the truth. 16 days from now will be 50 years since Dealey Plaza. What will be said?

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  • James E.November 06, 2013 - 5:51 pm

    Wayne, I haven't read the Weekly Daley yet, but I have a question. You mention that a lie is a lie is a lie. Wayne, have you ever told a lie? No, well then you must be the second coming. And, i never thought that Jesus would come back calling himself Wayne.

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  • James E.November 06, 2013 - 5:53 pm

    *** I

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  • EvelynNovember 06, 2013 - 5:59 pm

    Chris: Your point is well taken. In politics, the liars ALWAYS are on the "other side". In that way, little distinguishes politics from religion.

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  • James E.November 06, 2013 - 6:07 pm

    OK, I've read the Weekly Daley. Except for Wayne's concern about a lie is a lie is a lie, I agree with Chris. Wayne, come on, you've told lies, haven't you.

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  • James E.November 06, 2013 - 6:08 pm

    ADDED: But Wayne, if you are Jesus please let us know.

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  • EvelynNovember 06, 2013 - 6:22 pm

    James: Wayne does not need to be Jesus. (I'd love to say you're talking nonsense, but I won't.) Government, by and large, simply IS A LIE. Rarely are we given the information needed to make informed decision. Worse, we're not even called upon to make the critical decisions. The bedrock working policy of government is to keep as much information as possible from the people. TINY local example: I'll bet you don't know that five (5) roundabouts are planned for Placerville. (I didn't until yesterday.)

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 06, 2013 - 6:47 pm

    I am particularly taken by the roundabout planned for the intersection of Lewis and Clark and Pacific streets.

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  • EvelynNovember 06, 2013 - 7:08 pm

    Not funny!!!

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  • EvelynNovember 07, 2013 - 8:15 am

    Roundabouts: On Monday I saw the planning map, which I believe was downloaded from El Dorado County Transportation Commission's website, with 5 clearly demarcated roundabouts, (Don't have the particular link, but will post it -- eventually -- if/when I get it.) The one roundabout that I clearly remember, aside from the one that EVERYONE knows about, was on upper Broadway.

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  • EvelynNovember 06, 2013 - 6:29 pm

    "What Happens When The Government Lies To Its Citizens?" - HERE

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  • James E.November 06, 2013 - 6:34 pm

    Evelyn, if Wayne is shocked, I say completely shocked that President Obama has told a lie then I can only infer that he is perfect in the lie department. The only one that may not have told a lie is Jesus. Ergo, Wayne is Jesus, Jesus is Wayne. Beyond this, I agree with your comment.

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  • EvelynNovember 06, 2013 - 6:40 pm

    Wayne did not use the word "shocked". (Nor did Chris.)

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  • EvelynNovember 06, 2013 - 6:45 pm

    Not even funny!!!

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  • James E.November 06, 2013 - 7:02 pm

    Evelyn, he said "and, lying is lying is lying!" A most positive statement against the president with that ! thingee. So, you are saying he said that with love in his heart and no malice intended what so ever. I disagree, he was saying the president is a liar and not saying it with a pure heart. I say his heart is not pure, unless he is holy never having told a lie himself. I am always amused when someone calls someone else a liar. Ask them if they have ever told a lie and the color drains from their face, as they proclaim NO, never, never, never. What do you call someone like that? Starts with a H, and ends with crite. Oh, and yes, I know what that ! thingee is called. I just like using the word thingee in sentences.

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  • EvelynNovember 06, 2013 - 7:06 pm

    Whatever!!!

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  • James E.November 06, 2013 - 7:04 pm

    I'm off to watch TV. Will be back later to answer any verbal assaults. Later all.

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  • Dee#1November 06, 2013 - 8:36 pm

    Fifth year lies of Obama, “If you like your health insurance plan, you can keep it” Washingtonpost.com “The NSA is not abusing its power” Washingtonpost.com “I said benghazi was a terrorist attack from the beginning.” Lubbockonline.com “the foreign intelligence Surveillance court is transparent.” Politifact.com “First of all, I didn’t set a red line,” said Obama. “The world set a red line.” Weeklystandard.com nbcnews

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  • Dee#1November 06, 2013 - 8:37 pm

    Fourth tear lies of Obama---Lies During Fourth Year “The sequester is not something that I’ve proposed. It is something that Congress has proposed.” Politifact.com “Mitt Romney raised nursing home fees eight times.” Politifact.com “Mitt Romney called the Arizona law a model for the nation.” Politifact.com “Planned Parenthood provides mammograms” Spero News “We got back every dime we used to rescue the financial system” cbsnews.com Benghazi violence was caused by an internet video & demonstrations State Department “Mitt Romney Plans to fire Big Bird” Politifact.com “Under Gov. Romney’s definition … Donald Trump is a small business.” politifact.com Because of Obamacare, “over the last two years, health care premiums have gone up — it’s true — but they’ve gone up slower than any time in the last 50 years.” politifact.com “I think it’s important for us to understand that the Fast and Furious program was a field-initiated program begun under the previous administration” abcnews.com Romney and Ryan will gut pell grants for low-income college students. Factcheck.org My budget will cut the deficit by $4 Trillion over 10 years. Factcheck.org “I am told that Governor Romney’s new running mate, Paul Ryan, might be around Iowa the next few days,” he said while in Council Bluffs, Iowa. “He is one of the leaders of Congress standing in the way. So if you happen to see Congressman Ryan, tell him how important this farm bill is to Iowa and our rural communities.” House passed bill on August 2, 2012 (Paul Ryan voted yes) The American automobile industry has come roaring back…So now I want to say what we did with the auto industry, we can do it in manufacturing across America. Let’s make sure advanced, high-tech manufacturing jobs take root here, not in China. And that means supporting investment here. Governor Romney … invested in companies that were called ‘pioneers’ of outsourcing. I don’t want to outsource. I want to insource. Forbes- Outsourcer-In-Chief: Obama Of General Motors “You Didn’t Build that” A few examples

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  • Dee#1November 06, 2013 - 8:40 pm

    Lies During Third Year I will walk on that picket line with you, if workers are denied the right to bargain. Youtube In his 2012 State of the Union Address, President Obama said that American oil production is the highest that it’s been in eight years. www.breitbart.com I’ve done more for Israel’s security than any President ever Obama aided Islamic Extremists take over of Egypt/ Libya – Weapons pour into Gaza Virtually every Senate Republican voted against the tax cut last week Examiner “Every idea that we’ve put forward are ones that traditionally have been supported by Democrats and Republicans alike.” Like Raising taxes? Obama met highly qualified out of work teacher Robert Baroz He wasn’t out of work and Obama never met him. GOP Responsible for Obama Jobs Bill Not Passing Dems Rejected Jobs Bill You have 80 percent of the American people who support a balanced approach. Eighty percent of the American people support an approach that includes revenues and includes cuts. So the notion that somehow the American people aren’t sold is not the problem Gallup Poll: Only 69% These are obligations that the United States has taken on in the past. Congress has run up the credit card, and we now have an obligation to pay our bills. Looks like it’s been incurred mostly in the years of Obama Jobs Bill Paid for Seems not so much Paid for Then you’ve got their(GOP)which is dirtier air, dirtier water, less people with health insurance Barack Obama, campaiging in Asheville, NC, 10/17/11 I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on August 3rd if we haven’t resolved this issue. Because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it. American.com USA producing more oil than ever before Petroleum Insights Fence between US and Mexico is “Practically Complete” Department of Homeland Security says 5% Rich doesn’t pay their fair share. National Taxpayers Union

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  • Dee#1November 06, 2013 - 8:44 pm

    Lies During Second Year Obama claimed the SCOTUS decision in Citizens United v. FEC, “open[ed] the floodgates for special interests — including foreign corporations — to spend without limit in our elections. nationalreview.com No signing statements to nullify or undermine congressional instructions as enacted into law Obama Lies to Keep Czars No “boots” on the ground Libya Anyone that has worked with the AC-130 gunship can tell you, you need spotters to let aircraft know where the targets are. Usually it is Special Forces, Rangers etc trained for this mission. It’s CIA Agents in Libya on the ground Reform will also rein in the abuse and excess that nearly brought down our financial system. It will finally bring transparency to the kinds of complex, risky transactions that helped trigger the financial crisis. Obama Lies About Financial Reform Bill All Americans WILL BE were, “surprised, disappointed and angry” about lockerbie bomber Obama Memo I will not rest until the BP Oil Spill stops Obama’s Schedule The health care bill will not increase the deficit by one dime. Campaign and Presidency If you like the health care plan you have you can keep it TownHall “Under our plan, no federal dollars will be used to fund abortions, and federal conscience laws will remain in place.” U.S. Capitol, Washington, D.C., September 9, 2009. ObamaCare Fee is not a new tax Obama denies healthcare is a new tax on all Americans We have run out of places in the US to drill for oil. Obama’s oval office speech in June 2010 Now suddenly if you don’t have your papers and you took your kid out to get ice cream, you can be harassed, that’s something that could potentially happen. Arizona Immigration Law Doctors choose amputation because they get better compensation. Greedy Doctors taking out tonsils for more money. Claims never documented The Health Care Package will pay for itself Time Republicans don’t have a single idea that’s different from George Bush’s ideas — not one. Hmm Immigration? We shouldn’t Mandate the purchase of health care Democratic Debate Lies Obama says he’ll save average family $8,000 in gas Video Proof I am immediately instituting PayGo “Pay as you go” Said during a speech immediately after the Trillion Dollar “Shovel Ready” bill. I got the Message from Massachusetts Daily Bail Lies During First Year We began by passing a Recovery Act that has already saved or created over 150,000 jobs.” – caught cooking the books and now changed to ‘jobs supported’ versus ‘created/saved’ AP fact Checker Number one, we inherited a $1.3 trillion deficit. … That wasn’t me.” – Congress, under Democratic control in 2007 and 2008, controlled the purse strings that led to the deficit Obama inherited.Obama supported the emergency bailout package in Bush’s final months — a package Democratic leaders wanted to make bigger.

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  • Dee#1November 06, 2013 - 8:45 pm

    Lies During First Year We began by passing a Recovery Act that has already saved or created over 150,000 jobs.” – caught cooking the books and now changed to ‘jobs supported’ versus ‘created/saved’ AP fact Checker Number one, we inherited a $1.3 trillion deficit. … That wasn’t me.” – Congress, under Democratic control in 2007 and 2008, controlled the purse strings that led to the deficit Obama inherited.Obama supported the emergency bailout package in Bush’s final months — a package Democratic leaders wanted to make bigger. AP fact Checker Collective salvation Obama calls himself a Christian I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. Obama Inauguration. 20 Jan 2009 Cut Deficit in Half by end of first term Associated Press Video Health Care deals will be covered on C-span Obama Lies As President I will recognize the Armenian Genocide ABC Recovery Act will save or create jobs ABC News Unemployment rate will be 8.5% without stimulus. Obama Lies No Earmarks in the $787 Billion Stimulus CNN I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care plan Specator.Org We have launched a housing plan that will help responsible families facing the threat of foreclosure lower their monthly payments and refinance their mortgages. Obama Lies I am not somebody who promotes same-sex marriage. NPR Guantanamo bay to be closed within a year Council on Foreign Relations. Won’t Raise taxes on those making less than 250,000 per year. Businessweek: Obama Agnostic on taxes List of Tax Promise Violations 2008 Campaign Lies

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  • Dee#1November 06, 2013 - 8:46 pm

    Obama is a liar, plain and simple.

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 06, 2013 - 8:49 pm

    Chris, there is one major distinction between G.W. Bush's WMD Iraq "lie" and Obama's ACA lie. Obama's ACA lie(s) is partisan. G.W.'s "lie" is bipartisan and international. Hillary joined W., France, England, M5, Mossad, Russia, KGB, CIA. . . They all joined Bush in the Iraq WMD "lie". Obama stand alone with his, period.

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 06, 2013 - 8:54 pm

    PS - The last time one of my kids pulled the "Dad, Johnny does it" rationalization on me the kid suffered. Chris, go stand in the corner. . . . nose touching plaster . . . NOW!

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  • Dee#1November 06, 2013 - 8:55 pm

    Phil, Evelyn and I agree, not funny.

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 06, 2013 - 8:58 pm

    Huh? . . . oh . . . you mean in a roundabout way?

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  • James E.November 06, 2013 - 9:01 pm

    Dee, I won't ask you if you've ever told a lie because I know you never have, either a white or a black lie.

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  • MorrisNovember 07, 2013 - 12:15 am

    An individual who claims to have never lied just did.

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  • James E.November 06, 2013 - 9:03 pm

    Dee, does it make you warm inside when you say the president lied. I bet it does.

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  • James E.November 06, 2013 - 9:04 pm

    For full disclosure, I have taken my evening meds.

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 06, 2013 - 9:07 pm

    With warm milk?

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  • James E.November 06, 2013 - 9:09 pm

    Did Evelyn say there are multiple roundabouts scheduled for Placerville? Is every intersection going to be a roundabout? This should be investigated by the DA -- is there a roundabout construction company owned by members of the city council?

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  • James E.November 06, 2013 - 9:10 pm

    Phil, the hot chocolate is usually scheduled around 11PM. No warm milk before that.

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 06, 2013 - 9:13 pm

    James, with your background perhaps you can help me understand how it came to pass that Bush was able to recruit MI5, KGB, Mossad, Encland, Spain, Germany, Russia, . . . . Hillary, Joe et al to join him in his "lie".

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  • Dee#1November 06, 2013 - 9:15 pm

    Yes Phil, in a round-about way.

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  • James E.November 06, 2013 - 9:26 pm

    Phil, well, it's fairly easy. Intelligence reports, some bogus, some not. Informers, some bogus, some not. WMD and the Hitler of the Middle East. Who wouldn't want to join in the grand crusade? As for Hillary, and Joe (assume you mean Biden), and all the other politicians, both Democrat and Republican, who has the ovaries and gonads to go against a war that might keep Iraq's bombers from bombing Yuma Arizona, and to prevent a mushroom cloud anywhere in the United States? It's easy to vote for war with the flags waving and the troops marching off to war. And, some of those countries supporting Bush may have had oil in their dreams, as Cheney did. If I recall correctly the only government building the Army immediately guarded was the Iraqi Oil Ministry while the locals looted everything else. And, as a good Republican, you know that Bush never lied about any aspect of the war, right?

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  • James E.November 06, 2013 - 9:28 pm

    Phil, tonight I'm not interested in lying by Bush or Obama. I want to know about all the roundabouts in Placerville. Important stuff first.

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  • James E.November 06, 2013 - 9:35 pm

    Breaking news: Rand Paul's column was cancelled at the Washington Times. His column will now appear in Breitbart News.

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 06, 2013 - 9:42 pm

    James, your premise grants Bush the ability to sort bogus from legit intelligence, bogus from legit informers, friend from foe and for Bush to have distilled fact from fiction and consciously and deliberately making knowingly (to Bush) false information planted in all the other actors. But that sorta goes against dumber-than-a-rock Bush. Which was it? Bush superior world class IQ? Or dumber than a bush Bush. Doesn't matter. Bush removed 550 tones of yellow cake from Iraq which makes Joe Wilson's and Valarie Plame's shenanigans moot.

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  • JLongho183@aol.November 06, 2013 - 9:46 pm

    Phil, give it a rest. The war is over. And, no one on the site today has said Bush lied about anything. The next time someone says Bush lied, then you can go back into overdrive. I estimate Bush's IQ to be around 115.

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 06, 2013 - 10:01 pm

    You're correct, James. Chris did not once use the word "lie" in his column. But he referenced . . . uh . . . you might say, "problems" with Obama's ACA juxtaposed against, Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. G.W. Bush told us so, not once but a dozen times or more. . . . Would you agree that Chris has juxtaposed Obama's credibility against Bush's?

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  • James E.November 06, 2013 - 9:50 pm

    That's my email address. Please send me emails if you wish. I may or may not answer, but open invitation.

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  • James E.November 06, 2013 - 10:39 pm

    Phil, it appears he did juxtapose. He's not the first, nor will he be the last, so don't let it agitate you so much. In 50 years we won't remember any of this.

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 06, 2013 - 10:42 pm

    James, in 50 years I'll be landPhil . . . Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha . . . cough . . . choke . . . , ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha . . . damn!

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  • James E.November 06, 2013 - 10:55 pm

    Landphil. Good one, and more classy than Dirtphil.

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  • James E.November 06, 2013 - 10:57 pm

    OK, close to hot chocolate time, so tomorrow.

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  • cookie65November 08, 2013 - 5:41 am

    Your kidding right? You actually had hopes that obama, reid and piglosi would improve the nations healthcare? Have you been on vacation in some other universe? There is a history of leftism/progressive/socialism/communism. If you can predict the sunrise you can predict the results of leftist ideology. "We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." -- Benjamin Franklin

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  • EvelynNovember 08, 2013 - 5:54 am

    Obama says "Sorry" - HERE ********** Dink: I'm pleased your son will be better off.

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  • cookie65November 08, 2013 - 6:19 am

    Evelyn, "sorry" is empty rhetoric. No different than his intentional lying to America. They knew in 2010 millions of people were going to be kicked off their healthcare plans. The only truthful thing that has come from him is his intention to fundamentally transform America. The Truth ain't in him.

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  • EvelynNovember 08, 2013 - 6:30 am

    Buried in Obamacare regulations from July 2010 is an estimate that because of normal turnover in the individual insurance market, “40 to 67 percent” of customers will not be able to keep their policy. . . . Yet President Obama . . . was still saying in 2012, “If [you] already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance.” - HERE

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 08, 2013 - 8:10 am

    Evelyn, the proper word is "churn". Kathleen does not speak of "turnover". The word is "churn". Conform.

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  • cookie65November 08, 2013 - 8:23 am

    Phil, I have read some interesting stories on obama's past that use the word "choom".

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 08, 2013 - 8:29 am

    "choom" is close to "mooch" spelled backward. Am I close, Cookie?

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 08, 2013 - 8:35 am

    GOT IT! ~~~ LINK - Obama and His Pot-Smoking ‘Choom Gang’

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  • cookie65November 08, 2013 - 8:50 am

    I love words Phil, which is why I am strictly a reader when it comes to media. Those who don't read and learn how words are used and question which words are used and why are forever being led and told what to believe. I can tell from peoples writing on blogs how they get their "news". I have a friend who is color blind. They can see animals in the wild better than anyone. It is a physical advantage. Learning to understand the use of words is exactly the same thing. You no longer see all the stuff that otherwise blocks your view.

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  • EvelynNovember 08, 2013 - 6:35 am

    AT THIS VERY MOMENT, at whitehouse.gov we still find: If You Like the Insurance You Have, Keep It: Nothing in the proposal forces anyone to change the insurance they have. Period. - HERE

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  • cookie65November 08, 2013 - 6:54 am

    This is also still up on the whitehouse web site. From a post by Kathleen Sebelius on WhiteHouse.Gov from 2010: Keeping the Plan You Like Throughout the health reform debate, the President has been clear that we should build on the insurance system we have, keeping the parts that work and gradually fixing the parts that don’t. The Affordable Care Act is designed to let Americans keep their health insurance if they like it while adding important consumer benefits to give businesses, families and individuals higher quality care at lower prices and more control over their own care.

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  • Kristy CrowderNovember 08, 2013 - 8:20 am

    cookie65, they apparently need a little more time to think up a new lie, you would think they had one prepared since they have known since 2010 about this lie, but it must be hard to keep up when they lie so much.

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  • cookie65November 08, 2013 - 7:53 am

    Given that obamacare was written for the single purpose of establishing absolute government authority in the citizens healthcare, thereby positioning the self-proclaimed all-knowing smartest among us in their rightful place as overseers of every aspect of our lives, (I'm not sure where to put all of you who believed otherwise on the intelligence scale) we are faced with another pink elephant in the room dilemma. Just a couple of offhand observations from someone who is mostly ignorant and less than average intelligence like myself. There is no secret that "as the secretary shall determine" is the most frequent phrase within the 11.5 million words of regulations and obama has waived, postponed, delayed, ignored, overruled, disregarded, stepped over, claimed ignorance, and already violated any and every provision of the law wherever it has proved to be politically expedient, what would keep he and or the secretary from unilaterally stopping the very harmful cancellations of people private healthcare? To say that they couldn't would be the height of ignorance.

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  • Oh BrotherNovember 08, 2013 - 7:56 am

    Enjoyed this article Chris. I am looking forward to the "conservative" "right" taking over again so that we will have perfection in the government since the "leftists" have destroyed it all...haven't been posting on here and don't intend to respond to the same old bloggers on here...they are having to much fun in their little world blogging with each other...may they continue to have fun in the land of oz playing with each other...

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  • EvelynNovember 08, 2013 - 8:07 am

    Oh Brother: "Playing with each other" sounds so . . . so . . . ................ Well, exactly WHAT did you mean?!!!!

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 08, 2013 - 8:12 am

    HEAVENS!

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  • cookie65November 08, 2013 - 8:12 am

    oh brother, Thomas Jefferson had a few thoughts on the subject that you would have no use for. -- "Most bad government has grown out of too much government." -- "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." -- "The policy of the American government is to leave their citizens free, neither restraining nor aiding them in their pursuits." -- "I think myself that we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious." -- "I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive." -- "The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all." -- "Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want bread." --"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." -- "To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." -- "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." -- "Was the government to prescribe to us our medicine and diet, our bodies would be in such keeping as our souls are now."

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  • cookie65November 08, 2013 - 8:17 am

    oh brother, wasn't life much simpler when the people who do all your thinking for you dominated every form of media? It is much easier to remain intellectually lazy and stay away from stuff you don't want to hear. Good for you, I support you in your decision to choose the religion of leftism over the unbearable reality of the Truth.

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  • cookie65November 08, 2013 - 7:56 am

    Consider the only motivation to takeover healthcare. If leftists can use the IRS, foodstamps, welfare, phones, housing, transportation, and every other entitlement you can think of to secure the election results they desire, imagine what they can do when they control people's healthcare. May your chains set lightly upon you.

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  • R.j. CarterNovember 08, 2013 - 8:45 am

    According to a CBS News report, as a member of the Choom Gang good ol Barry Obama was known for starting more than a few pot-smoking trends in his day....So, let me get this straight...I've been a hard-core biker all my life and never dabbled in drugs, yet I live in a country where the President is a famous pot-head....Dang, you just can't make stuff like this up....

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  • Oh BrotherNovember 08, 2013 - 9:11 am

    I feel the same about booze....the drug that is right there with meth...makes people crazy...

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 08, 2013 - 9:16 am

    Oh Brother, me too. ~~~ November 5th 1986 ~~~ 27 years. ~~~ I'm so dry I'm fartíng dust!

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  • Oh BrotherNovember 08, 2013 - 9:21 am

    Good job Phil!! It's a tough thing to go through and will always wish you the best...it is all so heartbreaking and I am always happy to hear success stories...I could write for hours about the evils of alcohol but I won't I promise, also meth, heroin, hash, and of course our lovely pharmaceutical companies being the richest drug dealers of all...

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  • EvelynNovember 08, 2013 - 9:27 am

    MOST ADDICTIVE AND SELF-DESTRUCTIVE DRUGS - HERE: #1 Heroin #2 Cocaine #3 Methamphetamines #4 Prescription Drugs #5 Alcohol ********* Obamacare covers only #4.

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  • cookie65November 08, 2013 - 9:42 am

    obama is a well practiced student of effectual truth. It is how he remains outside of the results of his policies, actions and inactions.

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  • EvelynNovember 08, 2013 - 9:44 am

    Jay Leno says Team Obama is foiled in correcting this statement because they can't log on.

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  • cookie65November 08, 2013 - 10:22 am

    Evelyn, do you suppose the entertainment media making fun of obamacare will cause those who are not fully committed communists to realize giving government permission to do anything it wants is a bad idea? No matter how tempting the handout may look? Lots of mice die everyday because of the free cheese.

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  • EvelynNovember 08, 2013 - 10:50 am

    Cookie: Though agreeing that entertainment media exposure is useful, I won't demonize as communists everyone who supports ACA. I do believe our country is being destroyed, possibly with intent. Though uncertain about the primary driver, as pertains to ACA, it is the work of unbridled Corporatism. Regulations that govern energy & banking sector were written by Corporations. The biggest influence on legislative votes is often Corporate Lobbying. Corporations wrote ACA. That has to be acknowledged.

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  • cookie65November 08, 2013 - 11:26 am

    Evelyn, that is neither what I said or what I implied. There are those who actually believed what they were told about obamacare being an improvement. Then there are those who are bent on the government rationing everything from income to healthcare. My question pertained to the former.

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  • EvelynNovember 08, 2013 - 12:26 pm

    Cookie: You are correct. I misread. Apologies. Nonetheless, though not responding to your position, I have correctly -- though inadequately -- stated my own.

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  • cookie65November 08, 2013 - 11:51 am

    Evelyn, I have not said one way of the other but I don't believe as you and James do that obamacare is a giveaway to the healthcare insurance industry. In fact I believe it is their coffin. They may have even believed they would benefit from it but they won't. That is not the objective. The objective is single payer. obama has made no secret of it, reid has made no secret of it, piglosi has made no secret of it. The way to get to single payer is to make it impossible for private insurers to exist. Are private insurers losing business or gaining business? Their financial obligations are being increased thru regulations and mandates while their profits are being restricted thru regulation and mandates. obamacare actually makes them less competitive because they no longer compete in an open market. They can no longer structure policies to meet changing economics and demographics. James will think this is great because he wants single payer, but what does it say about a government that would put a private industry out of business so they can take it over. Be careful what you wish for. Time will tell which of us is right.

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  • R.j. CarterNovember 08, 2013 - 9:55 am

    Sure, just like anything else Booze can mess up your life, but personally I've always found it a lot easier to get to know (and trust) someone after I've tipped a bottle with em

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  • R.j. CarterNovember 08, 2013 - 9:58 am

    Evelyn....Sure, just like anything else booze can mess up your life, but personally I've always found it a lot easier to get to know (and trust) someone after I've tipped a bottle with em...

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  • EvelynNovember 08, 2013 - 10:05 am

    R.J.: I'm not a prohibitionist. Enjoyed every drop of my bi-annual Margarita last week! (Interesting that marijuana is not included among the 5 most addictive drugs.) I'm convinced that what's legal and what's not is governed solely by corporate ownership.

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  • James E.November 08, 2013 - 10:00 am

    R.J., liquid bread, as in break bread with someone.

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  • James E.November 08, 2013 - 10:03 am

    I'm almost a non-drinker. Maybe one hard booze drink in a year and then only one. And, maybe three beers in a year. When I had my problems with the Army they were obsessed in wanting me to be a boozer. After, long investigation, they found I was a one drink guy. They were unhappy.

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  • James E.November 08, 2013 - 11:56 am

    Cookie, thank you for your comments that I'm for single payer (Medicare For All). Now, could you convince Phil who says I pimp for the ACA. Yes, single payer would wipe out the Health Insurance companies. But, is it bad to wipe out the middle men who take massive profits and add nothing to the patient doctor relationship? But, I don't think it will ever happen, as too much money is flowing to the Congress. Legal bribery.

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 08, 2013 - 5:00 pm

    James, an early VETERAN'S DAY commentary courtesy of Fox's SPECIAL REPORT. Bret Baier read an email. ~~~ Bill in Kentucky ~~~ "Putting things in perspective: March 21st 2010 to October 1, 2013 is 3 years, 6 months, 10 days; December 7, 1941 to May 8, 1945 is 3 years, 5 months, 1 day. What this means is that in the time we were attacked at Pearl Harbor to the day Germany surrendered is not enough time for this progressive federal government to build a working webpage. Mobilization of millions, building tens of thousands of tanks, planes, jeeps, subs, cruisers, destroyers, torpedoes, millions upon millions of guns, bombs, ammo, etc. turning the tide in North Africa, invading Italy, D-Day, Battle of the Bulge, Race to Berlin – all while we were also fighting the Japanese in the Pacific!! And in that amount of time – this administration can’t build a working webpage."

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  • cookie65November 09, 2013 - 5:34 am

    James, single payer doesn't wipe out the middle man. It merely changes the middle man. Time for a history lesson James. Which political ideology has let die, murdered, exterminated, starved, enslaved more people in all of human history? They are now the middle man.

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  • James E.November 08, 2013 - 12:07 pm

    OK, time to head out to IHOP. Later.

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  • EvelynNovember 08, 2013 - 12:28 pm

    Cookie: Their coffin may prove ours as well.

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  • EvelynNovember 08, 2013 - 12:30 pm

    Darn. The above was intended as a follow-on to Cookie's 11:51 am.

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  • PattyNovember 08, 2013 - 5:06 pm

    Thank you Chris. You and Mr. Garon r my hope and change for El Dorado County.

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 08, 2013 - 5:14 pm

    Two, Chris and John, out of 180,561(2012) are your hope, Patty? Pretty long odds, Patty. Try Redhawk.

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  • PattyNovember 08, 2013 - 5:17 pm

    And.........who said the left is always name calling? I've heard a little from both but no one is more rude, speaks less eloquent, talks trash and is more unkind than Cookie. Now I'm sure she will say it is because she knows all and must be tough to get her point across but she is a coward. Nothing more nothing less. Now a little of my own name calling a white trash coward.

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  • cookie65November 09, 2013 - 5:42 am

    Patty, Nascar is looking for a new west coast race track. While living in your head rent-free I have noticed there is room for one.

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  • rodNovember 08, 2013 - 5:26 pm

    Dee#1 Nice chronology, just mindboggling when you consider the obama routine for years and... Bush's "lie" was based on known concrete evidence supported by the Brits and other nation's intel agencies.

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  • DavidNovember 08, 2013 - 5:44 pm

    OMG! Hysterical! How can anyone defend W? Were u people around when he left office? From things I have read he may go down as one of the worst Presidents in the history of this country. So condemn Obama all you want but please please please don't defend W!

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  • Sean OnneryNovember 08, 2013 - 6:03 pm

    You can fool some of the people all the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on. ~ W.

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 08, 2013 - 6:30 pm

    David, it might be interesting to muse about how the approval/disapproval ratings would stack up if it were possible to remove the press push/pull. Fox and Rush speak to the choir against Obama and for Bush. The NYT, and alphabet media speak for Obama and against Bush. I have to wonder how the two would stack up if news were reported without the editorial push/pull. Of course your "normalized" thesis would come from the left while mine would come from the right . . . wasted time . . . sorry.

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  • OracleNovember 08, 2013 - 7:29 pm

    People who sit around musing belong in museums.

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 08, 2013 - 7:32 pm

    . . . amusing . . .

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  • OracleNovember 08, 2013 - 7:38 pm

    amuse amused amusedly amusement amusements amuser amusers amuses hippopotamuses ignoramuses mandamused mandamuses shamuses unamused wamuses

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  • EldoradoNovember 08, 2013 - 6:10 pm

    David...You can wallow around in you own Liberal la-la land all you want, but you can't make up your own facts...Bush's approval rating when he left office was average. 49%.... Barack Obama's disapproval ratings as of 08-Nov-13: 55%.....Obama is destined to go down in history as the worst disaster of a President ..Sad part is I voted for him....

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  • Foaming at the MouthNovember 08, 2013 - 6:22 pm

    me, too

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  • pik the best presidentNovember 08, 2013 - 6:36 pm

    dancing with the stars popularity ratings should be used for deciding on pensions for presidents. or they could swap first ladies. but there were lots of stories about laura seeking higher ground, if you know what I mean.

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  • James E.November 08, 2013 - 6:51 pm

    Phil, Fox and Bret Baier? Real news or real agitators? Nevertheless, the question of WWII versus Obama computer systems has been referred to committee and a full report will be issued in due course.

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 08, 2013 - 6:57 pm

    No, James. It was Bill in Kentucky. Why do you insist on "killing the messenger"?

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  • James E.November 08, 2013 - 7:00 pm

    Phil, right, the guy in Kentucky. Fox was just reporting the guy in Kentucky. Cannot comment further because it has gone to committee.

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  • James E.November 08, 2013 - 7:42 pm

    Phil, the Thirty Years' War took 30 years, so President Obama has plenty of time to fix the web site. James from California.

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  • rummyNovember 08, 2013 - 7:50 pm

    If Donald Rumsfeld had been around the 30 Years War would have been faster.

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  • James E.November 08, 2013 - 7:43 pm

    ADDED: Phil, get this news to Bret at Fox News.

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  • James E.November 08, 2013 - 7:48 pm

    Bill from Kentucy: Did they have the ACA web site during WWII? If they did, they might have gotten it fixed before September 1945. Who can say? You just keep the BS flowing to Bret. And Bill, do you know that I pimp for the ACA, even though I think it should be abolished and replaced by Medicare For All. You might tell Bret that too.

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  • James E.November 08, 2013 - 7:57 pm

    Phil, I apologize, I got carried away with zeal. Change of topic: That guy on 60 minutes who said he scaled a 12 foot wall and then used his rifle butt to knock out a bad guy. I propose a test: Let's see if he can scale a 12 foot wall with a rifle and then have a Marine on the other side to see if he can knock out the Marine. Oh, right, he told the FBI he wasn't even there.

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  • James E.November 08, 2013 - 8:00 pm

    ADDED: Strange, I don't see Bret reporting this on Fox News? Guess they have too many guys like Bill from Kentucky crowding out all other news.

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  • James E.November 08, 2013 - 8:13 pm

    Unrelated to anything. I was just looking at some VN pictures of the old H-21 (flying banana), which was the first helicopter type used in VN. Man, that was a hard helicopter to fly. Had a big rotor on the front and a big rotor on the back and the rotor on the back was always trying to come around and be the rotor in the front. Took a lot of pedal work. Glad when I was transferred to other helicopters.

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  • Jack MartinNovember 09, 2013 - 2:40 am

    "Go figure" indeed. Mr. Daley, you may not currently know anyone who has lost their insurance because of Obamacare, but that won't last long. Tens of millions will lose it: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/11/07/207909/analysis-tens-of-millions-could.html My "favorite" quote from the report is thus: "And a report in 2010 said that as many as 69 percent of certain employer-based insurance plans would lose that protection, meaning as many as 41 million people could lose their plans even if they wanted to keep them and would be forced into other plans. Another 11 million who bought their own insurance also could lose their plans. Combined, as many as 52 million Americans could lose or have lost old insurance plans." Your brother the Conservative was correct Mr Daley; Obama is a &^%$%#-ing liar. My only hope (futile I suspect) is that the media will treat him EQUALLY for that lie as they did with Bush 41's infamous quote; "Read my lips - no new taxes." The press correctly excoriated him for going back on that pledge. Will they do the same to Obama? Your article is evidence they will not.

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  • cookie65November 09, 2013 - 5:26 am

    oh brother, is government DEPENDENCE harmful? Does it make people crazy? When I look at the inner cities where government dependence is the dominant economic driver I see lots of craziness.

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  • cookie65November 09, 2013 - 5:59 am

    David, can you give us an example of an original thought? Something that didn't come from "what you have read". Something that you haven't been told to believe. A thought that originated in your head. Not something the left has been repeating, repeating, repeating for decades. You are such an outstanding example of a leftist media lemming. You know exactly what THEY have trained you to believe. I realize patty will call me mean and cruel for this observation but how else can you describe a groupthink leftist? You were allegedly given a brain, try using it. It is not discernment or critical thinking to allow other people to do your thinking for you. Ignorance is a choice. Perhaps you weren't blessed with the gift of curiosity. How come you were never taught to ask questions or to be inquisitive?

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  • cookie65November 09, 2013 - 6:24 am

    Here is one of the "other problems". The endless corruption in the public sector between the unions and the left. The economics of bankrupting a state for political power. http://www.kcra.com/news/local-news/news-sacramento/ap-state-workers-get-516m-in-bonus-pay/-/12969376/22875106/-/86ob23z/-/index.html

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  • cookie65November 09, 2013 - 6:55 am

    obama's signature legislation and his selling of it. --- fraud /frôd/ noun noun: fraud; plural noun: frauds 1. wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain.

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  • DavidNovember 09, 2013 - 7:03 am

    here u go cookie I think from my life, my experiences, my view, my opinion W will go down in history as one of the worst Presidents in history. While were at it I know u seem to think all your thoughts r your own but why do I hear Rush, Hannity, Fox talking points constantly coming from your mouth, Are u psychic or r u lying when u say u don't watch the media? Do u have an original thought or r all your media mouthpieces calling u for there info?

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  • cookie65November 09, 2013 - 7:09 am

    David, you misunderstood my inquiry. I asked if you give an example of an original thought.

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  • DavidNovember 09, 2013 - 7:17 am

    cookie for someone who says they don't watch or listen or read the media. Why r all your little examples u give us exactly that, from the media. R u A hypocrite or do u have dementia?

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  • DavidNovember 09, 2013 - 7:24 am

    cookie Why should we watch or listen to ur little clips u r constantly referencing. They r all from the media. Do u have selective thinking?

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  • cookie65November 09, 2013 - 7:29 am

    David, you said, "I think from my life, my experiences, my view, my opinion". I will assist you in tracking down how you reached your "opinion". Do you remember when piglosi called 5.5% unemployment and $2/gal. gas a failed economy? Do you remember who was in control of congress when the economy tanked due to the lefts policy of forcing lenders to buy homes for people who couldn't make the first month's utility payment? Do you remember how Bush was far more liberal than conservative? He expanded everything the left defines as proactive compassionate government. He increased spending, he expanded government, he increased spending on education, he gave more to aids research that clinton by nearly double, he expanded entitlements, he was a virtual giveaway to the left. He spent 8 years being demonized by everyone from the left, which is where your "opinion" comes from. There is nothing original about it. I don't believe you can give me an example of an original thought. I suspect you are nothing more that a walking leftist talking point who is allergic to questioning what you have been trained to believe.

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  • DavidNovember 09, 2013 - 7:36 am

    cookie I know how much W spent but u r wrong with all ur little examples of who benefitted. big business benefitted as did the wealthy.

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  • cookie65November 09, 2013 - 7:39 am

    David, where did you get the notion that I don't read? Reading is all I do. I have explained why on these very pages numerous times. Reading activates the mind. Being hypnotized by the idiot box is how someone such as yourself becomes intellectually lazy. The reason you and others have such an issue with me is because I express original thoughts that are by design meant and intended to dismantle your useless leftists talking points. You guys are fully dependent on them which is what makes you totally defenseless when they are dismantled. Which is why you end up falling back on the old standby's of hatemonger, racist, angry, selfish, uncaring, greedy, and every other ad hominem the left has destroyed the meaning of in order to silence people who oppose them.

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  • MorrisNovember 09, 2013 - 10:50 am

    Actually cookie the reason so many folks have issues with you is not because of a difference of opinion - it doubtful this forum would last long if everyone agreed - it is because, quite simply, you are a jackass.

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  • DavidNovember 09, 2013 - 7:40 am

    cookie I am waiting for an answer. Why do certain media points further your argument. Yet anyone else who "uses" the media is "brainwashed" or is it "braindead"

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  • DavidNovember 09, 2013 - 7:47 am

    cookie "original thoughts "? I have news for u Fox wants it's brain back.

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  • cookie65November 09, 2013 - 7:50 am

    David, still more talking points. You people are incorrigible. Bush's "tax cuts for the wealthy" benefited the middle class more than any other demographic, a fact the left had to deal with during obama and the lefts battle to roll back tax breaks for upper income earners. Who has obama's trillions benefited? The only demographic shrinking under obama is the middle class. Who is having their hours cut under Obama? The gap between the haves and the have not's has never been as wide as it is today after 5 years of obama. The poverty in this country has never reached the level it is at today after 5 years of obama. Those not participating in the workforce has never been so high as it is today after 5 years of obama. Those on welfare and food stamps has never had so many members as today after 5 years of obama. What ever standards you are using to claim Bush as the worst president in history needs to applied to obama. I don't think you would know an original thought if it landed on your head.

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  • DavidNovember 09, 2013 - 7:53 am

    still waiting..........

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  • DavidNovember 09, 2013 - 7:58 am

    Cookie I have never stated my opinion of Obama I just stated please don't defend W. Whether u believe it or not this country started on a downward spiral with him as President. He Will go down as one of the Worst in history! And still waiting.........

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  • DavidNovember 09, 2013 - 8:01 am

    cookie? November 9 7:40 A.M.

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  • cookie65November 09, 2013 - 8:02 am

    David, I will give you a head start in expressing an original thought. I contend that for you hope and change meant obama was going to be very generous with other peoples money. So here is your opportunity to tell me in your own words what ever you claim it actually meant to you. It is a fairly simple task even for someone with your limitations.

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  • cookie65November 09, 2013 - 8:08 am

    David, all media has an agenda. Left, right, center. By media I don't mean cable news. Media is everything you are exposed to. From pmsnbc to the sign on a parkbench and everything in between. The fact that you are obsessed with Fox, which is nothing more that a couple of drops of pseudo conservatism in an ocean of leftism tells me everything about your desire to be told only what you want to hear. If you are only told what you want to hear how do you ever become informed?

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  • cookie65November 09, 2013 - 8:13 am

    David, can you tell me what leftism creates and/or produces? Why have you never asked the question yourself?

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  • Oh BrotherNovember 09, 2013 - 8:26 am

    @David and Patty, please see my Nov 8 at 7:56 post...really when the rest of us were not responding to kooky, they only had each other to play with in that Land of Oz you referenced David...I ignore Kooky blogs and comments...no point in responding or caring what she says...I don't bother to read them or go to her reference points...I am simply going to put down my thoughts/opinion as I feel as AN INDIVIDUAL wants to. If you go through the posts last week after most of us stopped responding...it was just a very few posting between themselves...don't waste your energy or emotion...Kooky thinks she knows people but she doesn't know me, who I am, what I stand for, what I believe in, who I voted for, my religious belief etc...she is so wrapped up in herself and her television and maybe books she wouldn't have time to know a family member or any other human being. Even on just a simple/nice story in this paper kooky cannot say a nice thing....pretty sad and unfortunately there are many out there like this...in MY OPINION that is a huge part of the problem...and my opinion has NOTHING TO DO WITH WHO IS THE PRESIDENT OR WHAT PARTY HE/SHE IS.

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  • cookie65November 09, 2013 - 8:30 am

    We sure do have some societal destruction going on. Those who tell us morality is relative will deny having any part in the destruction. Although I may be labeled as intolerant for saying so. http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2013/11/08/thieves-charged-with-cutting-off-marijuana-dispensary-owners-penis/

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  • DavidNovember 09, 2013 - 8:32 am

    cookie u still haven't answered my question. Why r ur selective clips good for furthering ur arguments? Where r ur original thoughts? Again regardless what you say u sound EXACTLY like FOX. I hate to inform u but ur thoughts r not original. Agree with them or not they r saying the same thing as u on FOX. (soooooooooo I find it hard to believe that is not where u r getting ur talking points) Oh and let us not forget the king of conservatism and the head of the Republican Party Rush Limbaugh. (drug addict etc.)

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  • DavidNovember 09, 2013 - 8:39 am

    thank you oh brother how soon we forget. I am the one who mentioned this was pointless. Talking to the scarecrow and tin man that is. thank you for bringing me back to earth!

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  • Oh BrotherNovember 09, 2013 - 8:42 am

    @David, you are so welcome and yes you brought me to my senses with that statement. Kooky will not ever give any answer except robotic answers from tv and her selective library of books...and maybe from a few of the drugs she may share with ole Rush.

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  • Oh BrotherNovember 09, 2013 - 8:47 am

    and perhaps the drugs is her excuse for name calling and telling people they are mentally ill because of their values and individualism...

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  • cookie65November 09, 2013 - 8:46 am

    oh brother, I enjoy all of your comments where I am the topic and you claim to ignore me. David, you must watch a lot of Fox. Do they call leftism an evil lie they way I do? Do they state that it feeds off the destruction of people the way I do. Do you believe anti-leftists such as myself didn't exist before Fox? You should read what the founders had to say about tyrannical government. I imagine you and oh brother would have put Thomas Paine, Samuel Adams and John Hancock on a dunking chair.

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  • robertdnollNovember 09, 2013 - 8:47 am

    you don't want to start picking fleas off of them

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  • DavidNovember 09, 2013 - 8:49 am

    I knew cookie wouldn't answer my question anyway. she changes the subject, deflects, disappears and does whatever when her hypocrisy is addressed.

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  • cookie65November 09, 2013 - 8:52 am

    oh brother, I enjoy all your comments where I am the subject and you pretend to ignore me. David do you really believe anti-leftists like myself didn't exist before Fox? You should read what the founders had to say about tyrannical government. What was your excuse for all the repeated failures and destruction causes by leftism before Fox? You two would have sentenced Thomas Paine and Samuel Adams to the dunking chair.

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  • cookie65November 09, 2013 - 8:55 am

    David, not answering questions? Really? I answered your question at 8:08 am. I am still waiting for you to answer even one of mine. You can't, you won't and you will continue to be told what to believe by people who do your thinking for you and blame everyone else for the results.

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  • WikiNovember 09, 2013 - 9:01 am

    Right-wing describes an outlook that accepts or supports social hierarchy or social inequality. Social hierarchy and social inequality is viewed by those affiliated with the Right as either inevitable, natural, normal, or desirable, whether it arises through traditional social differences or from competition in market economies. The political terms Right and Left were coined during the French Revolution, and referred to where politicians sat in the French parliament; those who sat to the right of the chair of the parliamentary president were broadly supportive of the institutions of the monarchist. The original Right in France was formed as a reaction against the Left. In English-speaking countries it was not until the 20th century that people applied the terms "right" and "left" to their own politics.

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  • DavidNovember 09, 2013 - 9:04 am

    No cookie u didn't Why r ur points made from the media valid and others r not? Very simple. No rambling off point needed.

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  • cookie65November 09, 2013 - 9:07 am

    oh brother, Individualism? Now that is funny. The one minority the left doesn't recognize. They do recognize and assign people into groups according to them. Which group have they assigned you to? Dividing people is essential to government control. They are very glad you are so willing to participate.

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  • cookie65November 09, 2013 - 9:20 am

    What media David? Is there some right wing media conspiracy promoting the false notion that this country is $17 trillion in debt? Or that millions of people are being kicked off their private health insurance after obama claimed dozens of times they would be able to keep them? Or that Benghazi was truly caused by some video? Or the fed is pumping $85 billion a month of printed money into the market as a phony recovery? Or that more people than ever are on welfare? Or that he has pissed off many of our allies with the spying? Or that the IRS did single out and target conservative groups prior to the 2012 election? Or that people are having their hours cut due to obamacare? Or that more people than ever are out of the work force? Or that more people are living in poverty than at any time in this nations history? Or that obama has created more regulations than any president in history? These are FACTS david. They have nothing to do with any media agenda.

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  • Oh BrotherNovember 09, 2013 - 9:25 am

    Lilke I said David, do not waste your time responding to any of her posts, complete waste of time...we are not individuals with a brain, only kooky crazy is...waste of space and energy.

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  • cookie65November 09, 2013 - 9:34 am

    oh brother, ignore questions that are inconvenient and accuse anyone who asked them of being on drugs or being a hatemonger. Unless people like you grow the hell up, this country is doomed.

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  • Oh BrotherNovember 09, 2013 - 9:38 am

    Kooky, you are the pot calling the kettle black. I believe I am intelligent enough to know what the problems are in this country both past and present...stop patting yourself on the back as though you are the only intelligent being on earth because you are not...you are the biggest hater I have ever encountered at any level or way.

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  • cookie65November 09, 2013 - 9:45 am

    The good ole standby of "hater". A truly intellectual position. It gets obama and the left a pass regardless of the destruction they cause.

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  • Oh BrotherNovember 09, 2013 - 9:57 am

    yep kooky and I own a pit bull so why don't get on with telling everyone what I am about, my beliefs, religion, political affiliation etc., based on the breed of dog I own..then I will give you the information on the other breed I own (my second dog) and you can tell me the same based on that breed of dog.

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  • MorrisNovember 09, 2013 - 10:35 am

    Seems we now know the optimal temperature for cookie to rise: 451°F

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  • cookie65November 09, 2013 - 10:40 am

    "The UC Berkeley student government has banned the term “illegal immigrant” from its discourse, deeming the phrase racist, offensive, unfair and derogatory." -- Hater, racists, bigot, insensitive, offensive, unfair and derogatory are still highly encouraged as descriptions of anyone who questions the new language.

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 09, 2013 - 10:57 am

    Cookie, it is reported that UC Berkeley's next banned word will be "liar". Orwell was date challenged.

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  • James E.November 09, 2013 - 11:02 am

    Cookie, you ask whether liberalism has ever produced anything. I need some guidance. Can it be a can of peas, can it be a suit of clothes, can it be a part for a car, can it be a government law, can it be a song, can it be growing flowers, or can it be insightful comments on this site. Please advise.

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  • James E.November 09, 2013 - 11:05 am

    Phil, pants on fire.

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  • R.j. CarterNovember 09, 2013 - 11:06 am

    Geez Louise....I can't stand Berkeley or anyone in it....Well, that is except for Spenger's Fish Grotto.....I do love Spenger's Fresh Fish Grotto!!

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  • James E.November 09, 2013 - 11:11 am

    Unrelated -- I want to be 21 again. BUT, with my current income and my current old experienced brain.

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 09, 2013 - 11:13 am

    R J, the Campanile is nice.

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  • James E.November 09, 2013 - 11:15 am

    Fifty -- Sixty years ago there was a Fish Grotto on 16th street in Sacramento. Boy, was I sick from food poisoning.

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  • James E.November 09, 2013 - 11:16 am

    Cookie, where are you? I need guidance.

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  • R.j. CarterNovember 09, 2013 - 11:22 am

    James...What makes you think Cookie is a her??...Just the name??...

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  • James E.November 09, 2013 - 11:32 am

    R. J., I have always thought Cookie is a female. Her speech patterns and when she talks about her family. But, I could be wrong. I know in the Army we called the male cooks cookie, so not sure, but I lean 98% female.

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  • James E.November 09, 2013 - 11:35 am

    You know, when Cookie says $^*#)(*^ -- would a man say that?

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  • James E.November 09, 2013 - 11:38 am

    Could Cookie be a retired Army cook?

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  • oh brotherNovember 09, 2013 - 11:59 am

    Ahhhh my old stomping grounds, Berkeley... raised in Walnut Creek....got to go to school in Europe as a young child...parents let me explore Berkeley and the Haight...sure happy I wasn't raised in a box and my parents allowed me to form and express thoughts, beliefs and values... God love them...they were blessed with seven wonderful, intelligent and independent children/adults..even my brother who is developmentally delayed is independent... I am so thankful for being raised outside the box and able to be comfortable with myself no matter what city or town I am visiting or live in.

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  • James E.November 09, 2013 - 11:48 am

    Cookie, you are always saying that Liberalism has never produced anything. Give me some guidance.

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  • EldoradoNovember 09, 2013 - 12:04 pm

    Well, seems nobody knows if Cookie's a "he" or a "she", but one things for sure, their living inside David's head rent free.....

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  • DavidNovember 09, 2013 - 2:03 pm

    Eldorado/cookie u used that same line on Patty and it wasn't funny the first time. like I said when she doesn't want to answer the cookie crumbles. Oh brother.......I am from the Bay Area too. Gotta miss the people huh

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  • Oh BrotherNovember 09, 2013 - 2:12 pm

    Yep David I do but still visit frequently and always enjoy our SF Giants games...that being said, we will now be told by 1036-Frank, maybe RJ and El Dorado to move if we don't like it...the fact that I came here 33 years ago and have worked in emergency services and health services contributing to what I hope would be to the good of people (possibly one of their own family members), doesn't seem to matter to small town, stuck in the rut people...I am looking forward, I pray, one day to retire the heck outta here..

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  • DavidNovember 09, 2013 - 2:23 pm

    Yes that does seem to be the problem with small towns. The people. Most r white bread and narrow minded.

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 09, 2013 - 4:35 pm

    Well now! No bigotry 'round here that I can see. What a pleasant addition to the neighborhood. King David is risen!

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  • Oh BrotherNovember 09, 2013 - 2:36 pm

    Yeah, it was pretty amazing down there. I could talk with war protesters, black panthers, hells angels, law enforcement and just human beings in general and didn't encounter the put down hatred like up here...we didn't always agree, but respected each others opinions. Talked to one of the Nomads that lived up here and he and I had a lot of reminiscing about the Bay Area days...he was a little tougher than me but that's ok...it was quite a conversation to say the least..we were at opposite ends of some of our beliefs but that was fine and no put downs or hate.

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  • DavidNovember 09, 2013 - 3:27 pm

    u know the old saying "Ignorance is Bliss" A lot of people in small towns never leave and know nothing about the world. Ahh well we shall let them be and try not to judge. Although I will say there seems to be a lot of anger and unhappiness up here.

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  • Oh BrotherNovember 09, 2013 - 3:59 pm

    agreed on both counts..

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  • R.j. CarterNovember 09, 2013 - 3:51 pm

    Oh Brother ..You must have me confused with someone else...I don't seem to recall ever responding to anything you or David has ever posted...Also , from reading back through the posts it appears your new best friend David is doing most of the name calling....

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  • Oh BrotherNovember 09, 2013 - 4:02 pm

    R.J. my response was more directed to your Berkeley comment...I have a tendency to throw a lot of responses into one comment...Born at Alta Bates hospital in Berkeley and I think I'm a pretty nice person...

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  • R.j. CarterNovember 09, 2013 - 5:03 pm

    Just last week I was pricing homes in Pacifica Ca. and about had a stroke...I love Pacifica and always wanted to live there, just a small shack anywhere near the beach would be cool, but I don't have an extra million $ just laying around...So, until I hit the lotto I just go down hang out at Nick's Rock-a-way.....

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  • DavidNovember 09, 2013 - 5:06 pm

    R J please show me where I have name called other than calling Rush a drug addict which is a fact in case u didn't know. And making reference to the tin man and scarecrow. Which I hope is not considered name calling compared to the things I have read on this post. Such as cookie calling oh brother A piece of shi$$" etc. etc.

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 09, 2013 - 5:15 pm

    David, I'd rather hang with a "name caller" than a bigot. . . but that's my personal preference. It seems to me that name calling is focused. Bigotry is a community WMD.

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  • R.j. CarterNovember 09, 2013 - 5:07 pm

    Forgot to mention it, but my last comment was for Oh Brother

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  • R.j. CarterNovember 09, 2013 - 5:09 pm

    David....How about 2:23 P.M.?????

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  • DavidNovember 09, 2013 - 5:11 pm

    Yea Phil I hope u don't mind if I stand in for u awhile. Sounds like some people were getting tired of your governing.

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  • DavidNovember 09, 2013 - 5:16 pm

    R J that's not name calling that is a fact. Most small towns r white and narrow minded.

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  • James E.November 09, 2013 - 5:16 pm

    R.J., Pacifica can break off and fall into the ocean.

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  • Oh BrotherNovember 09, 2013 - 5:18 pm

    We have also priced homes there, hence my blog name, "oh brother"...quite shocking...my husbands parents owned a home there when he was a baby and moved over to Santa Clara...unfortunate you can't see the future...love Nick's also...you should go on down to Sam's Chowder house in Half Moon Bay...love the lobster sandwiches!! I guess I will have to settle for Arizona where I can swim daily!!

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 09, 2013 - 5:35 pm

    One thing they teach in "the rooms", Oh Brother: Everywhere I go I take me with me."

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  • EvelynNovember 09, 2013 - 5:40 pm

    So I've noticed!!!

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  • EvelynNovember 09, 2013 - 5:44 pm

    . . . sorry, that was just irresistible.

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 09, 2013 - 5:49 pm

    . . . so . . . uh . . . when are you going to pay me for watching that 2hr sustainability mind molding zeitgeist movement thing?

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  • EvelynNovember 09, 2013 - 5:57 pm

    The right sort of mind-molding never hurts, so long as I get to be in charge.

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  • R.j. CarterNovember 09, 2013 - 5:38 pm

    Oh Brother...During this years Pacifica Ca. Fog Fest (last weekend in Sept) the wife and I actually went to Sam's Chowder house in Half Moon Bay and had lobster sandwiches...That's what everybody was eating and they were Great!!!.......You can also get the best breakfast on the plant right there in Half Moon Bay at the 3 Zero Cafe located at the Half Moon Bay Airport....Just inside the Cafe door, up to the left hangs a model of a B-24 Liberator that I donated to the Cafe some years ago...P.S....My friend and his wife up-rooted and moved to Bull Head City AZ...House with a pool, they thought the same thing....It was too hot, too dusty & too windy all the time, ...There back here now...Three words...Fort Bragg Ca. house are a lot cheaper than the S.F. bay area...

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  • oh brotherNovember 09, 2013 - 5:44 pm

    It's all good...even Arizona..James I want to be tossed in the ocean after death so that's ok...been hearing that since my childhood many moons ago...love it Phil you are so right on that.

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  • EvelynNovember 09, 2013 - 6:12 pm

    Speaking of getting tossed into the ocean, a friend and I had a great idea. Namely, when we sense our encroaching "toss", we want to take an ocean cruise and do the job ourselves. Quick & relatively painless. But don't report me for having said this; I don't wish to be hauled away prematurely!!!

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  • oh brotherNovember 09, 2013 - 6:23 pm

    That's the attitude Evelyn!! Right there with you :)

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  • MorrisNovember 09, 2013 - 6:43 pm

    Wow Evelyn. Never really thought that OTHER people, well, thought those things out also. At least not here in California. Back home my people tend to go-big so I thought that if/when my time comes, far better to manage it with some sort of personal flair; dressed up in a Foghorn Leghorn chicken suit, wrapped in a confederate flag, holding lit sparklers, chewing an entire tin of copenhagen long cut and doing a backflip off the Foresthill Bridge at midnight on a random Wednesday.

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  • EvelynNovember 09, 2013 - 7:44 pm

    That all sounds quite fine and dandy, Morris. However, given that already there are three of us -- you, me & Oh Brother -- considering "alternatives", and given that the Mt. Dem. brought us all together, I think we should ask Chris Daley to organize a group excursion for us (reduced rates, of course), and any others who might want to join in on the great farewell splash. Far superior to subjecting our nearest & dearest to filing past us stretched out in pine boxes, gazing upon our ashen faces.

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 09, 2013 - 10:16 pm

    Morris, why do you wish to pollute the Middle Fork?

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 09, 2013 - 10:29 pm

    CORRECTION: Morris, why do you wish to pollute the North Fork?

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 09, 2013 - 11:20 pm

    Morris, I am attempting to see my "pollution" comment through the eyes of a stranger who lacks the benefit of having knowledge our history of sharp but friendly banter. I have been too harsh. When you to a backflip with a half gainer off the Foresthill Bridge it is unlikely that you will pollute the North Fork. Odds are that you will quickly wash ashore and make a mother coyote and pups very happy. I apologize.

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  • MorrisNovember 10, 2013 - 12:57 am

    Phil, this I know to be true: It won't just be the coyote and pups made very happy.

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 10, 2013 - 1:02 am

    chuckle

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  • James E.November 09, 2013 - 7:53 pm

    Who can I call to report Evelyn for planning suicide off a cruise ship? There must be some government agency that handles such plans.

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  • EvelynNovember 09, 2013 - 8:24 pm

    Perhaps a Hot Tip Line at the Mt Dem? Better yet, post the alarm at COMMENTS USED AS CHAT BOARD!!!

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  • James E.November 09, 2013 - 8:08 pm

    Evelyn, don't do it, don't do it. There is a lot of water out there and it is COLD water. If you are going to do it, find some warm water.

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  • EvelynNovember 09, 2013 - 8:32 pm

    I agree that WARM water would be nice. How does all this global warming affect sea temperatures, and where would you suggest for the warmest water, James? BTW: Did you know that the Indian and Atlantic Oceans meet at Cape Town? I used to call THIS home.

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  • PattyNovember 10, 2013 - 7:41 am

    David I agree with u I think it is good u take over for King Phil,

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 10, 2013 - 8:16 am

    Good morning, Patty. Snookums, your announcement of my abdication is premature.

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  • Sean OnneryNovember 10, 2013 - 7:45 am

    always good starting the day b*tch*ng; go for it patty; see if u've got the stuff in u for going the full 24hour round.

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  • PattyNovember 10, 2013 - 7:48 am

    And R,J................................As far as I know "white bread" and "narrow minded" are not name calling. Maybe a little but compared to what I have heard on this forum it is cotton candy!

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  • PattyNovember 10, 2013 - 7:56 am

    Sean I don't and don't want to. I'll let the ones who think they know all solve the world problems and than skip to how to get their sheep to stand still.

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  • EvelynNovember 10, 2013 - 7:58 am

    "White bread" is new to me, so I looked it up. Belonging to the class of bland, clean-cut, middle-of-the-road suburbanite breeders. The term implies profound cultural naïvete, blind consumerism, and an unquestioning "follower" mindset. Common trappings of the whitebread lifestyle include golf, Kenny G and Enya CDs, SUVs, an irrational fixation on lawn care, Golden Retrievers ... . ********** I love Golden Retrievers, but I don't play golf and have never heard of Kenny G or Enya. What color bread am I?

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  • Oh BrotherNovember 10, 2013 - 8:17 am

    Evelyn - you are missing out not listening to Kenny G and Enya...great music...just llisten to one or two of their songs on You Tube..

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  • R.j. CarterNovember 10, 2013 - 8:09 am

    And Patty (or should I say David calling himself Patty) the somewhat politer term "White bread" is still a creepy cousin to the word cracker....So, Patty whats the width of your mind and the color your bread?...

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  • Fran DuchampNovember 10, 2013 - 8:10 am

    Not sure which bread you are...lolol Miss Evelyn. I relate to nuts and grain...a little crazy...with a little roughage...lololol

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  • EvelynNovember 10, 2013 - 8:15 am

    Fran: Welcome to Raley's bread isle!!! I was going to post the following for you at "Comments Used as Chat Board", but since you're here ...................... MODERN ART WAS CIA 'WEAPON' - HERE (Your thoughts?)

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  • PattyNovember 10, 2013 - 8:19 am

    No R. J. you should not say David posting as Patty. I am Patty always have been and don't post that often because exactly this. When u don't like what u hear u start accusing crazy stuff. Of course unless it comes from ur best friend the cookie monster. I AM PATTY ok. Because I agree with someone else does not make me that person. So quit ur psycho name calling

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  • EvelynNovember 10, 2013 - 8:20 am

    Oh Brother: I might follow your advice and give them a try. But fair warning . . . I tend to prefer guys whose first names are Mozart or Beethoven.

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  • EvelynNovember 10, 2013 - 8:26 am

    OB: I'm excited to announce that Chris Daley has confirmed our one-way excursion bookings on the U.S.S. Obamacare, departing San Diego April 1, 2033, 10am. I'm going shopping for suitable attire first thing Tuesday morning. (Preferably something that floats.)

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  • PattyNovember 10, 2013 - 8:21 am

    As a matter of fact R. J. I remember you accusing Oh Brother as posting as someone else. Is that your M.O.?

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  • cookie65November 10, 2013 - 8:28 am

    When I was a kid the lowest form of life were those who could dish it out but couldn't take it. For every bit of 4 decades, those who make up and follow the leftward ideology have devoted more effort, time and energy to belittling everyone who does not share in their view than they have anything else. They have not once passed on an opportunity to vilify and demean those who profess conservative principles. Hollywood, the entertainment industry, major media, news print, magazines, and all other forms of audio/visual have had a field day of no holds barred, nothing is off limits endless attacks on what they view as their enemy. They have imposed limited speech thru political correctness, they have intimidated and made slanderous accusations against giant swaths of the population in an effort to force them into silence. The methods they have employed cover the gamut. If you don't buy into the man-made global warming fraud you are said to be anti-science, a denier, a flat earther, not wanting clean air and water. None of this is political debate, it is strictly slander. If you believe the epa is the most despicable form of government ever conceived of in a representative republic and on the very threshold of unbridled tyranny then you are accused of wanting to pollute the oceans and destroy the environment. Again, not debate just slander. You want some evidence? What is the first thing that comes to mind with the name Sarah Palin, George Bush, Ronald Reagan, Ted Cruz? The name for it is the politics of personal destruction. It is the tried and true method employed by the left. Regressive, uncompassionate, knuckle draggers, closed minded, intolerant, racist, unenlightened, all terms used to the point of being worn out. Look at the weekly offering from the crayon king. There is never any point or position in his start to finish character a$$ination of a huge segment of this country. Why does he do it? He has been doing it since LSD was popular with complete impunity. What has changed is people who have grown tired of taking it. All of you who take issue with me are upset that I give to you what you have given to us for decades. Especially in todays world where the failures of your ideology are so obvious to everyone with an IQ over 12. Your ideology has brought this country to its knees and your need to silence anyone who connects the two is more crucial than ever. My advice to you is if you are not up for the fight you shouldn't have started it. You wrote checks with your arrogance and intolerance that your room temperature IQ's can't cash.

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  • PattyNovember 10, 2013 - 8:28 am

    And Philly poo I'm still mad at you for telling me to go to Alanon. Not because u suggested I go but I'm already going so I feel like it might not be working. My bad! Although I still want to say I'm pretty sure my feelings are valid.

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 10, 2013 - 8:49 am

    Good for you, Patty. Keep coming back. It works. ~~~ It seems to be the nature of females to lament that men "just don't understand" and then turn around and respond with anger when men DO UNDERSTAND. So allow me to apologize. Patty, I apologize for recognizing from your writings that you were Al-Anon. I said "pre Al-Anon". I was wrong. Keep coming back. It works. And if your "feelings" suggest that Al-Anon does not work then your "feelings" may again lead you astray. Al-Anon can bring you to a point of where your head will prevail over your "feelings".

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  • Fran DuchampNovember 10, 2013 - 8:40 am

    Miss Evelyn...interesting article..now I want more. governments have always "used" art. would it really affect what was meant to happen...I dont think so. Would artists let people use their art--if they could get paid and make a statement...lololol..absolutely. Cold War and Vietnam War (U.S. enters 1965); U.S.S.R. suppresses Hungarian revolt (1956) Czechoslovakian revolt (1968) Abstract Expressionism...for many was the ending for some great moments in art for some. After the cold war, many felt that art had no center...no new insights. so it is very possible the the CIA pushed art on a country. Most artists at the time were taking steps against the Academic art . But interesting.

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  • EvelynNovember 10, 2013 - 8:49 am

    Thanks, Fran. I knew you could be counted on for an insightful response.

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  • EvelynNovember 10, 2013 - 8:52 am

    Oh Brother: Checked out Kenny G. THIS is the first thing I struck. You're right. Great music. Wonderful face.

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  • EvelynNovember 10, 2013 - 8:53 am

    (oops. Response to Oh Brother got stuck in the wrong place.)

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  • Oh BrotherNovember 10, 2013 - 9:08 am

    Evelyn please listen to Enya - hautingly beautiful..my father loved Kenny G...I also like Mozart and Beethoven also Andre Bocelli...and I also like rock n roll, some rap, and a whole lot of soul...let me know what you think of Enya.

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 10, 2013 - 9:15 am

    WHAT? No Hank Williams?

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  • Oh BrotherNovember 10, 2013 - 9:36 am

    Have you listened to Hank III? Yuck, all about drinking, drugs, hatred and prejudice...all the opposite of my focus and beliefs in life. Used to be a big country fan but it too has changed...love Willie Nelson, Patsy Cline...the old stuff is cool...love Roy Orbison..

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  • EvelynNovember 10, 2013 - 9:17 am

    OB: I'll check out Enya a bit later. Just don't inflict anything like Lady Gaga on me. A couple years ago an acquaintance raved about her and made me watch a clip. I nearly vomited!!!

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  • Oh BrotherNovember 10, 2013 - 9:32 am

    Reading Lady Gaga's story of her life to this point is what is interesting about her...bullying etc...music is a bit tough for me too but she seems to be a rather nice person trying to make some points about some issues....and also, whatever sells for some of the music...no worse than the oil companies, insurance companies, drug companies etc...but she is interesting..

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  • MorrisNovember 10, 2013 - 8:41 am

    Sarah Palin; An idiot and a lousy parent. Married to a drunk. George Bush; Intelligent and a good parent. With an idiot son. Ronald Reagan; Great leader. Great integrity. Great character. Not the best President but no where near the worst. Competent. Effective. Cruz: a complete moron with zero integrity, no character and a manipulative ugliness that appeals to those who are still smarting from childhood feelings of inferior self-worth and desperate need to belong. And then get even for it. Easy really. Lets have some more names this is fun.

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  • Oh BrotherNovember 10, 2013 - 9:10 am

    Loving your answers Morris!

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  • R.j. CarterNovember 10, 2013 - 8:46 am

    Patty up until today I've never even heard of you, or posted to you or never called you any kind of name....You were the one who came after me....Plus, I've never accused Oh Brother of ever being anyone else (that wasn't me)....Congratulations, everything you say is just flat wrong.

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  • PattyNovember 10, 2013 - 9:04 am

    R. J. You Called me David. Again you are flat wrong

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  • MorrisNovember 10, 2013 - 9:15 am

    Thanks O-Bro!

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  • EvelynNovember 10, 2013 - 9:35 am

    OB: You may be right; everyone has their own life story. However .............. for "entertainment" I don't look to the oil, insurance or drug companies.

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  • Oh BrotherNovember 10, 2013 - 9:39 am

    Evelyn, in a way you do look to them for entertainment...we blog about it and blogging is a form of entertainment :) I don't watch her videos or listen to her music either, just like to get to know what the person is about based on them, not just the video and music...I really try not to be judgmental.

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  • EvelynNovember 10, 2013 - 9:41 am

    I can't judge her life. I don't find her entertaining.

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  • Oh BrotherNovember 10, 2013 - 9:59 am

    Glad we starting commenting on this...caused me to put on Enya's Only Time...so relaxing...got to get back to music and off the computer...prefer outdoors, family and good and soothing music...have a great Sunday everyone and God Bless our Veterans....

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  • cookie65November 10, 2013 - 9:47 am

    Evelyn, speaking of Mozart and life stories. He is a fascinating individual. He causes me to ask, if the left is enlightened what would you call someone like Mozart? http://www.stringsmusicfestival.com/m2m/humming.htm

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  • EvelynNovember 10, 2013 - 10:06 am

    Cookie: Other than "genius", I wouldn't know what to call Mozart. But then there was Salieri, who in Amadeus begrudged Mozart's "too many notes"!!!

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  • cookie65November 10, 2013 - 10:03 am

    I realize obamacare has been compared to the Titanic but today is the anniversary of the wreck of the Edmund Fiztgerald. Nov. 10 1975 -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vST6hVRj2A

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  • MorrisNovember 10, 2013 - 10:24 am

    A visual from the cookie cam: 'Mommy..is there really a Santa Clause?' Cookie: 'Of course sugar bean there is a Santa Clause, he delivers presents to all the boys and girls of the world. Even the bad ones. You see he used to be just Santa but then the dimocrats made him change his itinerary to include all children not just the good ones. Made him sign an evil clause contract in reindeer blood. Thanks to piglosi he's now Santa Clause!!' Or....'Hi honey. Did you get your absentee ballot in the mail yet? ' Cookie. Yes. I voted. And posted it this morning. Thank you for the reminder about my presentea ballot'. 'Errrr. Don't you mean absentee? Cookie: 'Bummer is a hate monger! My ballot will not be ABSENT!! Do you HEAR me?? Present! present! PRESENT!! And tee is tea and tea is ME!!' 'Um OK. Hey I'm a bit scared to ask but have you seem my George Clinton album?' Cookie: ' Ahhhhhhhh! beast Beeeeeest! I SAID BEEEEST.!!!! Its the beast album ever dear. Lets listen together'. Ummmm. OK. And did you know today is the anniversary of the Edmund Fitzgerald sinking?' (Oh gawd. Stupid stupid stupid why did I say that!)

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  • EvelynNovember 10, 2013 - 10:30 am

    My gawd, you're right. But I had to look up Edmund Fitzgerald to know that.

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  • Oh BrotherNovember 10, 2013 - 10:42 am

    And I like Gordon Lightfoot music also.

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  • cookie65November 10, 2013 - 10:58 am

    That would stand to reason that you also like Jim Croce. Everyone can find something to agree on.

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  • Oh BrotherNovember 10, 2013 - 11:34 am

    Yes and Yes!

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  • cookie65November 10, 2013 - 10:34 am

    Did anyone read about the guy in Texas running for some community college board? He won by implementing the symbolism over substance strategy. http://www.ijreview.com/2013/11/93250-must-watch-white-guy-pretends-black-wins-election-predominantly-black-district/

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  • PattyNovember 10, 2013 - 11:04 am

    Morris I am still waiting for an answer. I asked you to marry me on another forum. Remember, I don't care about your car I want your heart and brain!

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 10, 2013 - 11:28 am

    See, Patty! That's exactly how you are such an easy read. You think you see a deep mind and a huge heart while ignoring man's admission to a love of . . . uh . . . I believe it was . . . was it Maker's Mark? But keep coming back, Patty. It works.

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  • MorrisNovember 10, 2013 - 11:35 am

    That is so sweet of you David; thank you. It's incredibly flattering. Really. However, my heart and mind belongs to another. It's Patty, David. I'm so sorry we intended to tell you but some guy kept calling Patty David and David Patty and it, well, it just got sidelined until now. But we can still be friends, ok? (Now Miss Patty, are you sure? Certainly I'm game but in all fairness to you and convention proper, please re-read my posts before gracing me with a commitment; using not the voice of Sam Elliot but rather Gomer Pyle. I'll understand if you must decline in result my beautiful flower. Many find the accent a difficult hurdle. It is a cross to bear.)

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  • cookie65November 10, 2013 - 11:06 am

    The natural order of socialism. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/11/09/venezuela-seizes-stores/3486581/

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  • Fran DuchampNovember 10, 2013 - 11:15 am

    Morris cant get married--who would watch over the sock puppets?

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  • Fran DuchampNovember 10, 2013 - 11:19 am

    and he wrote a song called "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0DqPSF2fyo

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  • Oh BrotherNovember 10, 2013 - 11:33 am

    Yes Fran I knew that and that was why I commented on that :)

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 10, 2013 - 11:36 am

    Fran, Cookie already linked to Lightfoot's music. Morris slammed her for her silliness. Watch it Fran. Morris can eviscerate with rapier wit.

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  • Fran DuchampNovember 10, 2013 - 11:23 am

    sorry Gordon Lightfoot wrote a song about E. Fitzgerald.....lololol (since Oh brother is pointing out the artist--and Evelyn was talking about E.F. ) life is so interesting...lolololol

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  • PattyNovember 10, 2013 - 11:26 am

    Fran, I will gladly take the sock puppets too.

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  • SockpuppetNovember 10, 2013 - 11:41 am

    He's not the boss of me! He knows ill Baker Act his behind to an institution in No Hope, Arizona if he gets too big for his Algadon britches. Muhahaha.!!

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  • Fran DuchampNovember 10, 2013 - 11:49 am

    Morris likes me :-P They called me sugar snot...no...sugar bugger...no...sugar booger....lolololol...well anyway...Im trying to place Oh Brother--and I think im close. She likes many of you--I think she forgets that she didnt seem to like me...I never forget. Oh heck--she is probably my neighbor down the street--wait...she lives in Camino.

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  • Oh BrotherNovember 10, 2013 - 12:07 pm

    Fran - I do not dislike to many people...as I recall, you were very annoyed and sharp with me on a post regarding the CHP..I feel you misinterpreted what my point was and that is ok..If I truly don't want to be involved with an individual that I don't believe is in my personal best interest and or values then I just stay away....I don't hate them, I just stay away...that's how I was raised...we are all individuals and entitled to our opinions..I still would like to see CHP on Hwy 50 more.

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  • Oh BrotherNovember 10, 2013 - 12:23 pm

    In fact, Fran, I believe you are a very kind woman...you care about your grandchildren and the community and that is right up my alley :) Just because of one disagreement enemies it does not make us...

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  • Fran DuchampNovember 10, 2013 - 11:52 am

    Phil...i is not a skair d of "wit"--if its good...it will make me laugh...heck if its bad it will make me laugh....lolololollol

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  • Fran DuchampNovember 10, 2013 - 11:59 am

    Sockpuppet...he needs to play "mafia" then we could battle...you guys play nice--and try to still have fun.

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  • PattyNovember 10, 2013 - 12:01 pm

    My heart be still.................Y'all have the most beautiful accent down in the South. Believe me I can handle it. Gomer was my hero!

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  • SockpuppetNovember 10, 2013 - 1:16 pm

    Well put me in a bear and just call me honey. I am smitten. Miss Patty is the first non-Southerner engaged in conversation who not only utilizes the correct conjugation of 'Y'all' but knows the correct placement of emphasis. (Ya'll is a completely different word than y'all) Certainly you must have people in your line from up under; however near or distant. It is imprinted and passed by the maternal line some believe; can take up to 4 or 5 generations to dilute down. Such a daisy! .......Morris out. Going to carve chainsaw bear.

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  • DavidNovember 10, 2013 - 12:12 pm

    wow guys just reading ur posts. u certainly r a suspicious group. A couple of days ago Phil called me Morris now R. J. is calling me Patty. I think I should remember what I said before ,blogging with some of u is crazy. Originally I was referring to Cookie but now I see many more crazies,crazies,crazies Later

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  • EvelynNovember 10, 2013 - 12:16 pm

    David: If it's OK with everyone, I'll stick with calling you David.

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  • R.j. CarterNovember 10, 2013 - 12:20 pm

    In the words of the immortal Jim Belushi "Hey, did we give up after the Germans Bombed Pearl Harbor?????"

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  • Fran DuchampNovember 10, 2013 - 12:23 pm

    I just read you as David as well. Did you want to be someone else?

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  • James E.November 10, 2013 - 12:25 pm

    R.J., no we didn't. Nor did we give up when the Japanese surrounded the 101st at Bastogne. Or when the Italians invaded Miami.

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  • EvelynNovember 10, 2013 - 12:33 pm

    James/R.J.: Did you know that China will have boots on the ground in Hawaii, Nov. 12 - 14? HERE

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  • Fran DuchampNovember 10, 2013 - 12:26 pm

    I go by Fran--it seems to be on my drivers license--so I just stay with that....is David on yours? What is a "name" really? My family begs me to make up a name when posting...lololol...im working on it.

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  • Fran DuchampNovember 10, 2013 - 12:30 pm

    Oh Brother...my apologies...I thought you didnt care for me.

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  • Oh BrotherNovember 10, 2013 - 12:36 pm

    I am so sorry you thought that Fran...sometimes I just don't follow through on the posts etc., so I appear short or gruff...my life is so darn busy...as we all are..

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  • EvelynNovember 10, 2013 - 12:59 pm

    Obamacare's MyCancellation.com

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  • PattyNovember 10, 2013 - 4:52 pm

    Phil, With his heart and mind I'm ok with a little whiskey. Anyway I'm not in Alanon because of alcohol. It's a shhhhhhh sex addict.

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 10, 2013 - 5:11 pm

    Good luck with that, Patty. Morris If I bring a possum will you invite me to th' shindig?

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  • MorrisNovember 10, 2013 - 5:44 pm

    Phil, they call 'em Escorts here and no you can't bring Coutney Stodden either. This is a family event.

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  • Courtney StoddenNovember 10, 2013 - 6:24 pm

    Morris, you kiss-and-tell SOB! I've met your inbred clan. The most promising one amongst the whole tribe was the one you referred to as your husband-in-law. He at least had a nice white tooth. Good luck to you and "Snookums". LINK - Not-So-Much-Love, Courtney

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  • MorrisNovember 10, 2013 - 6:44 pm

    Oh yea Courtney, well, I only hooked up with you cause your daddy said you were the best kisser in el dorado county.

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  • EvelynNovember 10, 2013 - 6:25 pm

    OMG, the woman is malformed. (Another person I'd never heard of before)

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  • EvelynNovember 10, 2013 - 6:29 pm

    Courtney, welcome to our forum. I see age is catching up with you, just like the rest of us. Tee hee!!!

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  • Courtney StoddenNovember 10, 2013 - 6:44 pm

    Envy, Evelyn? Jealousy is showing? Patty beat you to my deadbeat ex? Trundle on dear. Patty will dump him by spring. Then you can have a romp with Morose.

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  • James E.November 10, 2013 - 6:33 pm

    Evelyn, it appears she has a severe infection on her chest causing massive swelling. Poor thing.

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  • EvelynNovember 10, 2013 - 6:37 pm

    James: There's simply NO WAY she can buy clothing off the rack.

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  • EvelynNovember 10, 2013 - 6:41 pm

    (I hope she doesn't mind our talking about her to her face -- or whatever. Perhaps we should seek guidance from Morris?)

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  • James E.November 10, 2013 - 6:42 pm

    Evelyn, and she probably has to lean back to prevent herself from falling forward onto the floor.

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  • James E.November 10, 2013 - 6:47 pm

    Kissing is an art that cannot be taught. You either have it, or you don't.

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  • MorrisNovember 10, 2013 - 6:48 pm

    Does anyone ever really talk to Courtney face to face?

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  • EvelynNovember 10, 2013 - 6:56 pm

    Perhaps with a walkie-talkie. I wonder who her role model was.

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  • EvelynNovember 10, 2013 - 6:53 pm

    James: Probably she requires a live-in chiropractor. But seriously, "nature" really has run amok among American women. In which decade did this trend become evident? The American gene pool has been infected.

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  • James E.November 10, 2013 - 7:12 pm

    Evelyn, I'm thinking those two "things" aren't natural and are doctor assisted. Downton Abbey -- we will see the 4th season in January. News is that they have been renewed for a 5th season.

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  • EvelynNovember 10, 2013 - 7:18 pm

    James: I'm amazed to discover that she's only 19. But, to your point, of her divorce she says: "I feel like I've had a great weight taken off my shoulders".

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 10, 2013 - 7:21 pm

    Downton Abbey alone could float PBS. Why ANY tax payer money???

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  • James E.November 10, 2013 - 7:22 pm

    Evelyn, it looks like she wears a ZZ cup. She should get a reduction to a C cup.

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  • EvelynNovember 10, 2013 - 7:25 pm

    . . . things that go bump in the night. (Enough!!!)

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  • James E.November 10, 2013 - 7:24 pm

    Phil, the arts must be supported. Or some say.

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  • MorrisNovember 10, 2013 - 8:13 pm

    My Grandmother had a 1955 Roadmaster. Everyone wanted to drive that car.

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  • James E.November 10, 2013 - 9:07 pm

    My brother had a 1958 yellow Roadmaster. I came within a inch of crashing it. He would not have been happy.

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  • MorrisNovember 10, 2013 - 9:31 pm

    They remind me of Courtney: Substancial front end treatment, often driven by older men and eventually turning up as a lowrider.

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  • MarciaNovember 20, 2013 - 9:49 am

    I haven't read any comments so bare with me. I did read Chris' article and wish to leave a few **bullet points: **WMD's were also acknowledged and voted for by the likes of the dems in office, starting with Hilary Clinton. Pres. Clinton allowed 21+mths for Iraq to "clean up" prior to our "investigating" their country for WMD's. duh? Want to blame, Chris? Blame them all. **Obama is a chronic liar. The first lie he told was his office was going to be transparent. It disintegrated from there. **Socialized medicine like in the UK, France, Sweden? Two thoughts for you to ponder: You can stuff all the Swedes on the SF peninsula. Not too tough to handle a small group of people. Also, my now deceased daughter-in-law was from Sweden. I wish she was here to educate you on how awful their medical world was back home. She once almost flew her mother here for care. Luckily mom started feeling better. **Chris, you don't know of anyone losing their insurance? Your head must be stuck somewhere dark as story after story is out there. You must be tuned in to CNN or msnbc. Well, now you know one. We got a letter stating my husband's insurance will be gone at the end of this year. Cost change? Up 250/mth premium, up 500 deductible, up out of pockets; everything is up. If I attach myself to this? Our premium will double to roughly 1600/mth. with higher everything. This is unattainable **It would be my dream that you and everyone like you that voted for this Colonialist to pony up the differentials in our premiums. After all, I liked America as it was...a democracy. PS From your most recent article: windmills are butt ugly and destroying the beauty of our land.

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  • Chris DaleyNovember 20, 2013 - 10:44 am

    Marcia and Dee#1 I re-read my Obamacare column, and I simply do not get your reference to windmills. Anyway, I think windmills are kind of neat. Never would have thought of them as "**ugly."

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  • MarciaNovember 20, 2013 - 11:05 am

    Chris, if you read my PS, it referenced your most recent article where windmills and bart extensions from one end of the state to the other gives you the happies. Travel throughout America as I do and you will see what I mean. They are a public eyesore.

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  • Dee#1November 20, 2013 - 10:23 am

    Marcia, you are very astute not to read the comments. I agree with your comments. Also, they don't call windmills bird blenders for no reason as well as ugly.

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  • Chris DaleyNovember 20, 2013 - 10:49 am

    Dee#1 and Marcia - I re-read my Obamacare column and I do not get your references to windmills. Anyway, I like windmills and I don't think of them as "**ugly."

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  • Dee#1November 20, 2013 - 11:11 am

    Chris, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I happen to love cranes and photo them every chance I get. I particularly like to photo them with a back drop of a sunset when flying American flags. When I look at cranes I see craftsmanship, geometric patterns and commerce. When I go by a windmill plant, I see brown desolate land, awkward pillars and blended protected birds. As I said, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I interpreted Marcia's remark to mean one of your recent back columns.

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