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The weekly Daley: Shocked and somewhat awed

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From page A4 | December 06, 2013 | 100 Comments

The Pope is a Marxist. When I heard that, I couldn’t believe my ears and when I actually read it, I couldn’t believe my eyes. Arguably the most Christian, religious person in the world is an atheist? The most turn-the-other-cheek, don’t-hurt-a-fly guy in the human race advocates violent overthrow of government(s) and perpetual class warfare? Well, that’s just shocking as all get-out. Kill all the bourgeoisie and capitalists and monarchists and clerics and religionists if they don’t give in or go away? The Pope?

Rush Limbaugh said it, and likely at least 15 million people really believe it. That’s the 15 million who listen to Rush and maybe another 20 or 30 million who are related to or influenced by the 15 million and who therefore probably believe it too.

Tell me Winnie-the-Pooh is a Peeping Tom and Br’er Bear is a pedophile, and we’ll at least have an interesting discussion. Tell me the Pope is a Marxist, and we’ll just look at each other. Well, I’ll just look at you and be dumbfounded. I guess you’ll look at me with a knowing smile and nod your head.

“Yep. Rush says so, and I’m pretty sure Rush knows what he’s talking about. A damn Marxist. Who woulda thought?”

And I thought the Birthers were kooky. The native Kenyan anti-colonialist, socialist tag is just weird. Obama as the proponent of a new Islamic Caliphate is bizarre and creepy. The Pope as Marxist? Certifiable. That means crazy. And I’m not even Catholic. Not even close, but if I were I’d be looking over my shoulder for one of those 15 million who might think I’m a fellow traveler like Francis and decide to eliminate a commie revolutionary bent on stealing from the rich and giving to the poor. And dollars to doughnuts, that individual would not be one of the rich from whom I’d allegedly be stealing and redistributing.

Rush didn’t have to say the Pope is a Marxist. He knows better. The Pope has been reorienting his church back to some of its basic tenets. Looking out for the poor, being concerned with the “least of us.” Christians have been exhorted for 20 centuries to share their goods, wealth and talents in a way that ensures the “least of us” don’t fall all the way through the cracks. Some branches even set a rate for giving. Tithing 10 percent of one’s assets is as common as singing “Jesus loves me” in many churches, and I’ve never heard anyone complain that it’s a coerced redistribution of wealth. It’s a lot of what religion is all about. Some of the proceeds are intended to support the church and its officials while some is spread around the needy in the congregation. What’s left over traditionally is to help provide for those in the community who can’t provide for themselves.

Visiting great cathedrals of the world, filled with gold and silver and precious jewels and fabulous works of art, will clarify that Christian church leaders sometimes kept vastly more than they redistributed. The Pope seems to be calling out that history as predatory, inhumane and ultimately unsustainable. Marx would have agreed — and then some. So would most of the religious reformers throughout history, none of whom I’ve ever heard called Marxists. Of course most of them pre-dated Marx by many centuries.

So, what was Rush looking to accomplish by calling the Pope a Marxist? I don’t know. I have a theory or two for sure.

Anything that smacks of challenging the status quo or the perceived way things are supposed to be, that is the status quo, is frightening to some people, presumably the people hearing the sermons from the pulpit of Rush. And if hundreds of millions of Catholics around the world follow their leader’s direction, they’ll start clamoring for change. They might start demanding a greater voice in their own lives and circumstances, and that might make it a little too hot on those in charge. And then what? Change. And if a million American Catholics began demanding that not only their church but their society take a hard look at how things are, they might start clamoring for change too.

And change could involve challenging the power and influence of the “1 percent” for whom Rush might be called the mouthpiece. In simple terms, it would be bad for business, all kinds of business, especially those businesses that control lobbyists who influence laws and policies that mostly benefit themselves — not unlike many of those grand cathedrals of old.

On the other hand, it might just be that Rush gets a kick out of setting the odd skunk loose at a cocktail party just to watch the fun. From that perspective, it actually is kind of fun.

Chris Daley is a staff writer and columnist for the Mountain Democrat. His column appears each Friday.

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  • James E.December 04, 2013 - 5:27 pm

    Chris, the answer is simple. Rush is a well paid BS artist. Anything can come out of his mouth. Case closed.

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  • cookie65December 06, 2013 - 1:47 pm

    James, any chance Mr. Daley was "shocked" or even "somewhat awed" at what a host from NBC said about Sarah Palin? It wasn't about what might come out of her mouth it was about what someone should do in her mouth. I gotta tell ya James, the double standards that come from the left are breathtaking to behold. This is just another example of vilifying anyone who disagrees with leftism.

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  • Dee#1December 04, 2013 - 7:04 pm

    "On the other hand, it might just be that Rush gets a kick out of setting the odd skunk loose at a cocktail party just to watch the fun. From that perspective, it actually is kind of fun." I think you hit the nail on the head. Rush loves to stir the pot and watch the left go crazy. It is a fun hobby but he gets paid for it.

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  • cookie65December 06, 2013 - 5:09 am

    This is interesting. It reminds me of a story in the LATimes about Rush changing stations in LA. The opening line is this. "Rush Limbaugh's radio tirades will have a new home on Los Angeles airwaves next year." Of course the story includes a picture not like any you would ever see published of any of the lefts political hero's. No media bias what-so-ever. Since I have no idea what Rush did or didn't say I will take your word for it, but as always, I will question why it is you choose not to mention what ever it may be he was directing his remarks towards. I have read what the pope has said about capitalism and his harsh criticism of the single system which has created all the wealth in the world and scratched my head over what he must believe funds the Catholic church. I ask one simple question as my own response to the pope. Is wealth spread by creating more of it, or by confiscating more of it? Thou shalt not steal doesn't leave a lot of wiggle room. It would seem from my travels around media outlets that Rush is by no means alone in his assessment. http://www.forbes.com/sites/louiswoodhill/2013/12/04/papal-bull-why-pope-francis-should-be-grateful-for-capitalism/

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  • cookie65December 06, 2013 - 5:38 am

    Biblical tithing was not charitable giving. It was a tax. A 10% flat tax that everyone paid regardless of income. The only biblically authorized tax. The nation of Israel sustained itself on this exact system for centuries. But they didn't have leftists buying elections with other peoples money and assigning people to a life of dependence through government sponsored poverty and calling it compassion. A progressive tax system is anti-biblical. So when the pope is promoting such nonsense he is in fact promoting socialism/leftism/progressivism/communism/marxism. Mat. 7:16 "You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?

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  • cookie65December 06, 2013 - 5:52 am

    Collectivism; prepackaged genocide......http://www.holodomorct.org/

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  • Dee#1December 06, 2013 - 5:55 am

    Cookie, good job. But I have a hard time believing Chris's dismay, I think we have a case of fake concern.

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  • cookie65December 06, 2013 - 6:34 am

    Dee, no question about it. People who revile the Catholic church are all of a sudden in love with the pope because he is speaking the only language they know. The redistribution of wealth. It is just like obama, he was elected for only one reason, they took hope and change to mean spreading the wealth. Here is an example of leftist theology. A woman who is running for governor of Texas wants to redistribute other peoples money but no her own. http://www.ijreview.com/2013/12/99181-texas-democrat-wendy-davis-donated-515-235k-income-charity-wants-redistribute-earnings/

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  • Dee#1December 06, 2013 - 7:30 am

    Cookie, You are correct. The hypocrisy of the left just becomes more apparent every day. We read constantly of he horrors of the Christian religion, then all of sudden, the Pope has status as a wise man not the devil they have been complaining about in their previous missives.

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  • cookie65December 06, 2013 - 8:43 am

    This piece, aside from being a great example of trademark leftist phony outrage serves to illustrate something else. It brings to light the proven marketing effectiveness of not only biased media reporting but also the practice of omission in reporting. Consider how marketing is used in politics. In California we have a combination of factors. We have an endless supply of laundered taxpayer money thru the public sector unions, we have an entertainment industry devoted to one particular political ideology, we have countless daily papers and news outlets all working in conjunction to create, control and endlessly repeat the same message. How does that message effect public perception? Well in California we have a state that is entirely run by the left with little to no opposition. We have a state that is ranked as the worst run state for the third year in a row. We have a state that is ranked last in business friendliness. We have a state whose public education system has been declared “high risk” in virtually every category and failing while consuming the majority of the annual state budget. A public pension system that’s well….. if I have to say it you’re beyond ignorant. The highest gas taxes in the nation, the worst roads. Ever increasing car registration fees. Business’ fleeing. Over a thousand social workers in LA county on strike. Just the fact that LA county has over a thousand social workers would cause any thinking person to question utopia. 1/3 the nation’s welfare. Illegal fire taxes. Bankrupt cities. Endless regulations, taxes, fines, fees, debt and government interference. Over 500 state agencies burdening and crushing the private sector. All of this destruction is taking place in a state that was the 5th largest economy in the world not so long ago. All of this destruction and total reversal from prosperity belongs at the feet of ONE political party. So how does marketing and controlling the message effect public perception? A recent poll concluded the republican party, the party which has no power in this state and virtually no responsibility in creating this disaster says 65 percent of likely voters surveyed have an unfavorable view of the Republican party. If that isn’t dumbing them down I don’t know what is. This poll done by the highly partisan Public Policy Institute of California's is actually part of the marketing. Polls such as this are intended to shape opinion the same way the nightly news and the daily papers and the Hollywood entertainment industry does. This is textbook successful marketing. The leftists running this state are leaving nothing but utter destruction in their wake and managing to vilify the opposing party right under the noses of the people who will pay for it. Joseph Goebbels reincarnated.

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  • 1036-FrankDecember 06, 2013 - 8:43 am

    Time to blame former county resident Rush for responding to the Pope if you are out of material for other leftist rants. The left have tried everything to silence Rush even inventing the anti First Amendment Un-fairness Doctrine, attacking his sponsors, stations, and TV networks, and even left wing Presidents and Senators have tried to distort his words and blame him for their own failures. The current use of Leftist popular themes of "Re-distribution" and "income inequality" regardless of who states it are all part of the leftist "ism" written by famous "Ists" whether Marxists or Communists or National Socialists and every one has failed to produce anything except for increased poverty, more misery, millions killed in wars, millions of dead from starvation and imprisonment and failed countries by the score. Just as their faithful servant Ali-Bummer and his forty thieves are trying to do here. They want to do much more of what they have been and create their liberal utopia of failure and poverty, Their new Detroit's spread everywhere across the country. It has been working well and hidden well and everyday more poverty recruits of govt. dependents are signing up for a lifetime of misery and anger and taxpayers are leaving, or in other words, everything the left claims to want to do is the opposite of reality and history and words like "fairness" and "unequal outcomes" are used to stir up people who suffer severe lack of achievement syndrome. What they do produce is failure as their only product.

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  • robertdnollDecember 06, 2013 - 9:16 am

    we must stand up to tyranny,we can't let the socialists force us to buy insurance we don't want.i am 62 years young and healthy don't need any doctors and i also am a really good driver so i won't hurt you with my car but if i do i will do my best to pay for your car, i do have my pride to be a nice man

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  • cookie65December 06, 2013 - 9:30 am

    If the people you vote for don't trust you to decide for yourself what size soda to consume, what must they think of YOU??? Do you really need to be protected from yourself? No wonder the politically correct terminology has been changed to "challenged".

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  • cookie65December 06, 2013 - 10:11 am

    I happen to catch a weekend weather report and being concerned for your welfare I felt I should pass it on. They offered an advisory from some "experts". It said that if you are outdoors this weekend in blizzard type conditions you should bundle up in extra layers of clothing. I am certain they will make themselves available to do any other thinking for you when they feel you are incapable.

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 06, 2013 - 11:18 am

    unrelated aside, Cookie - Eagle Cuisinarts are being given an exemption to kill eagles - shocked - shocked I say.

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  • cookie65December 06, 2013 - 11:23 am

    You just have to shake your head and laugh. The dynamic logic of leftists. Perhaps Eagles have been reclassified as a renewable resource.

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  • KarenSDecember 06, 2013 - 10:27 am

    While my sister and I toured Southern Spain in the early 90's we were astounded by the over abundance of wealth we saw in the catholic churches while outside on the steps starving people were begging. Perhaps the church should lead the way and have a gigantic yard sale with the proceeds going to the poor.

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  • cookie65December 06, 2013 - 11:01 am

    Thomas Aquinas was being shown the glories of the Vatican. ''No longer does the church say, ''Silver and gold have I none.' '' said the Pope. ''Neither can she say, 'Rise up and walk,' '' replied Aquinas.

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  • Dee#1December 06, 2013 - 10:41 am

    Karen, a prime example of "Do as I say, not as I do."

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 06, 2013 - 10:56 am

    KarenS, while your sister and you toured Southern Spain in the early 90's and were astounded by the over abundance of wealth you saw in the catholic churches did you even once consider your and your sister's personal affluence, aka "wealth", that allowed you to become comfortably appalled at the poverty you were touring? But then you at least were doing your part. Tourism is a major leg of the economy. I'm glad you were helping.

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  • EvelynDecember 06, 2013 - 11:07 am

    A 2001 article reported the Catholic Church's income for THAT year = $422.098 billion. But who really knows? Probably incalculable.

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  • cookie65December 06, 2013 - 11:44 am

    The Catholic church at one time was the largest land owner in all of Europe. They controlled more wealth than any other single entity on the planet for well over 1,000 years. They have had 2,000 years of wealth accumulation. All the worldly possessions including land of deceased church members went directly to the church for centuries regardless of heirs. They were the most powerful economic and political force on the planet for longer than any single nation. They confiscated mountains of wealth. Priests are not allowed to marry so the church would end up with what ever the priest accumulated in life. They even invented purgatory as a means of collecting wealth. The crusades were more about gold than gospel. Martin Luther's Ninety-Five Theses in 1517 was his objection to the Catholic church selling salvation for money.

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  • PollockerDecember 07, 2013 - 9:16 am

    Thanks for clarifying this, Cookie: "They have had 2,000 years of wealth accumulation. " While touring the Basilica in Rome, the tour guide pointed that out. Imagine any other large organization or family accumulating its wealth over 2,000 years: that's 2,000 years of gifts to the Church, not something accumulated over a few decades. Anyone who thinks the Catholic (or any other) Church should give up its riches, go ahead and pay more in taxes. Seriously. Donate your own money to the government when you die. Or better yet, fork it over right now.

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  • cookie65December 07, 2013 - 9:38 am

    Thank you for backing up my statement. Around here I am not thought of as being very bright.

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  • EvelynDecember 06, 2013 - 12:11 pm

    Cookie: Your i.e./e.g. lapse is MORE than compensated for by your insight (credible, I believe) regarding the prohibition on Catholic priests marrying. Control and power are virtually always about wealth/resource accumulation. At last, something that makes sense. Thank you.

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 06, 2013 - 2:04 pm

    Cookie, I've lost track. Have you served this up for James' consideration yet? ~~~ LINK - Turley: Obama's "Become The Very Danger The Constitution Was Designed To Avoid"

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  • cookie65December 06, 2013 - 2:24 pm

    I posted that but like everything else the left doesn't want to know about they just ignore it. They are well trained at only recognizing that which they have been told to believe. There are some major cracks in the evil lie of leftism and some light is penetrating the darkness. I haven't posted anything on the polling data from the yoot's who overwhelmingly voted for hope and change and their abrupt change of attitude. It would seem they have collectively concluded obama is nothing more than an empty suit habitual liar. obama's ability to endlessly campaign and paint himself as having no responsibility in the misery they are living in has gotten a little thin. Marketing obama as a transformational figure no longer has any takers. Some things never change, and one of those things is kids rejecting being told what to do. The tyrannical left telling a bunch of 20 something's they have to spend money they don't have on healthcare insurance is a bridge too far.

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  • cookie65December 06, 2013 - 3:05 pm

    Phil, I was reading another article on the ocommycare sign ups. It was talking about the 9to1, 12to1, 15to1 ratio's of medicare to private insurance going on. So I look at the comments to gauge the general thought and attitude of the readers and I came across this one that made me laugh out loud. -- "Sounds Great!! I can see myself sitting in a doctor's waiting room for my free visit... I'll be yakking on my free Obamaphone... filling out my grocery list for my S.N.A.P. steak and lobster... before I head back to my subsidized housing... where I'll enjoy subsidized internet... watching the knockout game where whitey gets his comeuppance... Welcome to the NEW AMERICA...FORWARD !!!"

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  • EvelynDecember 06, 2013 - 2:42 pm

    Seriously, folks, I think there's something more at work here than the left/right paradigm. I (on the left) long have had great respect for constitutional scholar Jonathan Turley.

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  • cookie65December 06, 2013 - 3:58 pm

    Evelyn, there is no left/right paradigm. There is the radical left and the very few who oppose them and stand up for the rule of law and the Constitution who are made out to be the incarnation of Satan. Do you know what the most vile form of taxation without representation is? 17, 20, 25 trillion dollars in debt passed on to unborn generations. No one who with even the slightest amount of conscience could do such a thing while classifying themselves as compassionate. Jefferson said it himself. "It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes."

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  • EvelynDecember 06, 2013 - 4:53 pm

    Cookie: In our minds and our responses to others the left/right paradigm DOES exist. However, HERE Judge Napolitano fairly convincingly demonstrates that the paradigm is false.

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  • cookie65December 06, 2013 - 8:13 pm

    Evelyn, on his point I have no disagreement. The left and the right as far as the Washington establishment is concerned are parallel. THEY feast on the trappings of government provisions while orchestrating division and disillusionment. Consider the qualifications to become a highly honored, heavily medaled secretary of state. Zip, zero, nada. They live in a world, a bubble, separated from reality paid for by the producers. They are all a bunch of empty suits parading around as self proclaimed leaders living high on other peoples money. I am not and have never been party oriented. I see our government, all of it as nothing but an expansion of its own self importance. My understanding of history tells me that is just a repeat of past events. As far as I am concerned if the organization begins with a "U" or a "W" it is part of the one world order. All of this regardless of who, what, where, when or how are all part of the same thing. LEFTISM as an ideology, whether it be in little bits at a time or all at once has only one outcome. It will conquer freedom. Liberty is its enemy. Jonathan Turley is concerned with what he is witnessing because the Constitution is based on individual liberty, not government authority. We have no party in Washington standing up for the Constitution, if we did we wouldn't have 600 government agencies, most of which create law outside of the legislative branch. I see the comments here about Tom McClintock, he is no more of a threat to leftism than John McCain yet he is truly hated by so many it is amazing. I find it astounding how Bush gave the left most everything they would have gotten had Gore won and look how he was treated. It isn't about party. It is about pure corrupting evil. There is no such thing as being "kinda" free. It would be like being "kinda" pregnant. Either we are free or we are not. Liberty is being relinquished for a disgusting lie based on government taking care of us, and the "right" in Washington has pushed the process along every bit as much as the "left". Only the people can stop the ever growing government intrusion in our lives. Government will never restrain itself.

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  • cookie65December 07, 2013 - 7:13 am

    Evelyn, I wrote my December 06, 2013 - 8:13 pm comment after watching only the first 10 seconds of the video. I went back and watched the entire video this morning and I stick by my comment. In fact, I think mine is more illustrative of the situation. I don't use the titles democrat/republican for a reason. I speak mainly of liberty and leftism. The founders where bluntly honest about human nature. We are witnessing what they feared/knew would happen because they had lived it themselves and had an unrevised education in history. The founders had no illusions about the repeated course of governments made of man and questioned whether or not this amazing experiment based on individual liberty could last. As you know I am thoroughly reviled by many on here. I have no compromise when it comes to preserving liberty, including theirs, and they would like nothing better than to silence me. The question I have is why don't they want to live free? Like I said, government will never restrain itself, it is up to the people. Judging from some of the people here, restraining government is unthinkable and people like me who advocate such nonsense should be fed to the Lions. What is it about me they find so threatening?

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  • oh brotherDecember 07, 2013 - 8:34 am

    Good morning, Eeyore," said Pooh. "Good morning, Pooh Bear," said Eeyore gloomily. "If it is a good morning, which I doubt," said he. "Why, what's the matter?" "Nothing, Pooh Bear, nothing. We can't all, and some of us don't. That's all there is to it." "Can't all what?" said Pooh, rubbing his nose. "Gaiety. Song-and-dance. Here we go round the mulberry bush."

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  • cookie65December 06, 2013 - 4:24 pm

    Phil, have you ever seen what a bear looks like shaved? Pretty scary. http://imgur.com/EqDGT

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  • rodDecember 06, 2013 - 6:21 pm

    OMG, turn the feet around... you got a gorilla giving birth to a ...demoncrat?

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  • R.j. CarterDecember 06, 2013 - 4:35 pm

    Dang..That's a bear??....Well, that's tonight's nightmare...

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  • cookie65December 06, 2013 - 4:43 pm

    R.j. here are some shadow sculptures to change the picture in your mind. http://www.thisismarvelous.com/i/4-Amazing-Shadow-Sculptures-by-Tim-Noble-and-Sue-Webster

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 06, 2013 - 4:37 pm

    R.J., can you work that into the Jimmy metamorphosis story?

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  • oh brotherDecember 06, 2013 - 5:54 pm

    End of the road. Nothing to do, and no hope of things getting better. Eeyore... aka the bloggers of the doom and gloom Mt. Democrat.

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  • cookie65December 06, 2013 - 7:45 pm

    oh brother, embrace unfettered capitalism. How many apples are in an apple seed?

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  • oh brotherDecember 06, 2013 - 7:57 pm

    I'd look on the bright side if I could find it. ~Eeyore

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  • cookie65December 07, 2013 - 6:36 am

    Here is some shock and awe. Reality is catching up with the most informed people on the planet, the people who get all their thinking from the NYTimes. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/07/us/politics/flaws-in-enrollment-records-for-insurance-exchange.html?hp&_r=1&

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  • cookie65December 07, 2013 - 8:41 am

    Here is a story about harry reid attempting to deny CNN's report of his staff being exempted from ocommycare, because in his words 'he was just following the law'. Funny how he can't seem to follow the law when it comes to fair elections, the 2nd Amendment, recognizing duly elected representatives and their constituents who oppose massive government power grabs or even the 1st and 4th Amendments. He even said, "I was really troubled when Ted Cruz complained. That really hurt me to the core,” I didn't realize people without a soul had any core to hurt. But I digress, the interesting thing here is his claim that his own insurance has gone up by $4,500/yr. thanks to ocommycare. Is that representative of the average family saving $2,500/yr. like they were sold? http://www.rgj.com/article/20131206/NEWS19/312060025/Nevada-s-Harry-Reid-CNN-wrong-health-care-report

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  • oh brotherDecember 07, 2013 - 8:58 am

    I'd look on the bright side if I could find it. ~Eeyore

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  • EvelynDecember 07, 2013 - 8:44 am

    Speaking of Obamacare: "75% of Hospice and Home Care Unviable by 2017 Due to 'Obamacare,' Researcher Says" - HERE

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  • EvelynDecember 07, 2013 - 9:09 am

    "Report: 70 Percent Of California Doctors Won’t Participate In Obamacare" - HERE

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  • cookie65December 07, 2013 - 9:23 am

    Evelyn, how much money do you suppose ocommycare is designed to save in reduced social security obligations? Social Security is more viable when people don't live for 40 years after retirement. I apologize in advance to those individuals who are offended by such a question.

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  • EvelynDecember 07, 2013 - 9:37 am

    Cookie: The only thing I know for CERTAIN is that readily accessible health care -- as in: being able to see a doctor without fear of medical bankruptcy -- has been consigned to the ash-heap of history.

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  • cookie65December 07, 2013 - 9:46 am

    Yes it has. On that note what happens to the real property of those bankrupted by medical costs? Power and wealth become completely consolidated into a single entity and like your other posts suggests people become disposable. Stalin called them useful idiots because that is exactly what they are. Hook baited, bait taken. All based on the most depraved elements of human nature. Jealousy and envy. Or as scripture refers to it - covetousness. Freedom to bondage.

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  • EvelynDecember 07, 2013 - 10:00 am

    Unfortunately, the notion of disposable/dispensable people, anathema to most, is rejected. However, all available evidence points to our being precisely that. So how do the powers that be rid themselves of all us "useless appendages" without obvious evidence of malice?

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  • cookie65December 07, 2013 - 10:23 am

    I posted a link to a NYTimes article that was actually reporting the malfunctions on the back end of the ocommycare website. The comments on that article are very suggestive. Those individuals, who view themselves and being to most educated/intelligent/informed people in the universe all suggest the exact same thing. It is as if they have been hypnotized to believe that government is incapable of harming them and is solely motivated by their best interests. Half the population of this country had no reservations whatsoever on pelosi's infamous words, "we have to pass the bill to find out what is in the bill." The evidence that the people of this country are capable of discernment does not exist. This morning on this site there is an individual mounting the typical defense of the nonsense they have been trained to believe with all the limited intellect you would expect from them. If those are the people anyone is expecting to mount a defense against oppression and tyranny they will be sorely disappointed. To them the only form of Malicious government is one that denies them their entitlements and the elimination of people who cut into their fair share doesn't bother them. 50 million abortions doesn't even register on their radar. Besides that, what evidence to we have that the government has the slightest concern with how the people view it? Dead men don't complain.

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  • EvelynDecember 07, 2013 - 8:54 am

    CHRIS HEDGES ON 'THE PATHOLOGY OF THE RICH' - HERE: “The rich are different, because when you have that much money, then human beings become disposable. Even friends and family become disposable and are replaced. And when the rich take absolute power, then the citizens become disposable, which is in essence what’s happened. There is a very callous indifference. . . . [T]hey’re so out of touch and they are able to retreat into their enclaves in the same way that you saw in France under Louis XVI, people retreating to Versailles, or the end of the Chinese dynasty when everybody went to the Forbidden City.”

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  • EvelynDecember 07, 2013 - 9:01 am

    "Another Batch of Wall Street Villains Freed on Technicality" - HERE: Many years from now, we will look back on this story that began as far back as the late Nineties and recognize in it an early, smaller-scale preview of the major global manipulation/collusion scandals that have already rocked the planet and will likely continue to do so in the years to come. After all, the most dangerous possible consequence of the extreme concentration of financial power that has taken place in the last few decades has always been the possibility that these giants might figure out ways to work together, to game the costs of things for the rest of us.

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  • cookie65December 07, 2013 - 9:30 am

    Phil, the notion that anyone who would offer the advice of wearing extra clothing while venturing out in blizzard conditions is now classified as an expert suggests we are living in the movie Idiocracy.

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  • cookie65December 07, 2013 - 10:30 am

    Evelyn, think about this way. obamacare is the single most detested legislation to EVER come out of Washington DC. And their ONLY concern is whether or not it will effect them being re-elected.

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  • EvelynDecember 07, 2013 - 10:36 am

    Think about it THIS way. Politicians -- of virtually every stripe and at every level -- have become whores to those who finance their elections.

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  • cookie65December 07, 2013 - 10:39 am

    BINGO!!!

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  • James E.December 07, 2013 - 10:35 am

    Phil, Cookie, are we in agreement then -- the ACA is a disaster. The Congress could convert it to Medicare For All with a one page bill. How about it?

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  • James E.December 07, 2013 - 10:38 am

    Evelyn, truer words were never spoken.

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  • James E.December 07, 2013 - 10:41 am

    Malice. An evil heart.

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  • James E.December 07, 2013 - 10:42 am

    Did Cookie just win?

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  • EvelynDecember 07, 2013 - 10:45 am

    I fear this story-line has no "winners". But it might be fair to say that over time several of us are reaching some threads of common understanding.

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  • EvelynDecember 07, 2013 - 10:50 am

    On THAT happy note, my dog and I are going out to play in the snow. Perhaps someone will be so good as to save the world while were away. Please!!!

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  • EvelynDecember 07, 2013 - 12:08 pm

    Horrors. I managed to omit an apostrophe. Lose one point on the grammar test.

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  • cookie65December 07, 2013 - 10:56 am

    There won't be any winners as long as the people fear the government.

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  • oh brotherDecember 07, 2013 - 11:08 am

    oh bother...Eeyore

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  • cookie65December 07, 2013 - 10:59 am

    My poodle and chocolate lab have been having a ball in the snow. My Chihuahua's not so much.

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  • oh brotherDecember 07, 2013 - 11:15 am

    "It's snowing still," said Eeyore gloomily. "So it is." "And freezing." "Is it?" "Yes," said Eeyore. "However," he said, brightening up a little, "we haven't had an earthquake lately

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  • James E.December 07, 2013 - 10:59 am

    In England, a German Shepard and a Goose have fallen in love. How come this never happens in the U.S.?

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  • James E.December 07, 2013 - 11:02 am

    Cookie, mine refuse to go out. I've had to resort to a pea pad I've set up on the porch. Think about it, Chihuahuas are smart. No snow on their little foot pads. Chihuahuas love warmth.

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  • cookie65December 07, 2013 - 11:28 am

    My little one will go out because she thinks she is a big dog. But my bigger on has to be carried out. Even then she gives me a dirty look and can't wait to get back inside where she can climb under a blanket. Chihuahuas don't like the cold.

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  • James E.December 07, 2013 - 11:04 am

    *** not pea as in vegetable. The other kind.

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  • ?December 07, 2013 - 12:08 pm

    Cookie next time your at the Butter Cup Pantry try the Obama omlette, they tell me it's good but you don't what's in it till you pass it.

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  • cookie65December 07, 2013 - 12:41 pm

    pelosi's famous quote is nearly identical to what my vet said when my lab had a tummy ache.

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  • EvelynDecember 07, 2013 - 12:24 pm

    Oh Brother: Being (sometimes) culturally challenged, I had to look up Eeyore!!! With that admission, I ask: What are you trying to convey with the sundry quotes.

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  • cookie65December 07, 2013 - 1:19 pm

    Evelyn, oh brother is challenged by the thought that not everyone who breathes air is as infatuated with obama as her and chris matthews. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/12/05/chris_matthews_elated_by_obama_he_came_to_us_today_he_came_amongst_us.html

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  • EvelynDecember 07, 2013 - 1:28 pm

    In that clip Chris Matthews is totally revolting. "He came among us today." (barf)

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  • oh brotherDecember 07, 2013 - 4:56 pm

    Evelyn, please see my reply to James on the comments post at 4:50 for my reasoning. Cookie, up yours, you don't know a damn thing about me, my religious affiliations, what party I believe or don't believe in or anything else about me and especially whom I voted for and what my political or moral beliefs are...you are ASSUMING...and you are making an ass out of you.

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  • cookie65December 07, 2013 - 12:38 pm

    This time you omitted a question mark. Scratch another point.

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  • EvelynDecember 07, 2013 - 12:43 pm

    OMG!!!

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  • EvelynDecember 07, 2013 - 12:45 pm

    For future lapses, a reserve supply: ?????? *** ' ' ' ' ' ' '

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  • EvelynDecember 07, 2013 - 12:47 pm

    Fortunately, as already noted in a Mt. Dem. opinion piece on "election policy", I suffer from no deficit of !!!!!!!!!!!s.

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  • EvelynDecember 07, 2013 - 12:49 pm

    I've just now checked to determine the subject matter of the article we're commenting on. Something about Shock & Awe!!! (Apologies, Chris.)

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  • EvelynDecember 07, 2013 - 1:24 pm

    Many people consider David Corn highly suspect.

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  • EvelynDecember 07, 2013 - 1:26 pm

    (Intended as a response to Cookie's last link)

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  • Lisa HempleDecember 07, 2013 - 11:37 pm

    Isn't the new Pope a doll? He'll be assassinated, no doubt, as others of lesser stature who have spoken similarly before him. But until then, what a breath of fresh air. Marxist? Hardly. But then, Limbaugh isn't one to be bothered by facts. He's content free, in an evil genius sort of way.

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 08, 2013 - 6:31 am

    Lisa Hemple, I'm trying to assemble a list of assassinated Marxists as you imply exist when you predict, "He'll be assassinated, no doubt, as others of lesser stature who have spoken similarly . . . " I'm coming up empty. Can you assist me? ~~~ LINK - Top 10 Popes Who Died Violently I'd like to phone them into Rush. Help.

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  • EvelynDecember 08, 2013 - 7:11 am

    THE MURDER OF POPE JOHN PAUL I - HERE

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  • EvelynDecember 08, 2013 - 7:15 am

    In God's Name: An Investigation Into the Murder of Pope John Paul I - HERE

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  • EvelynDecember 08, 2013 - 8:13 am

    "When the Cardinals elected Albino Luciani to the Papacy on that hot August day in 1978 they set an honest, holy, totally incorruptible Pope on a collision course with Vatican Incorporated. The irresistible market forces of the Vatican Bank, APSA and the other money-making elements were about to be met by the immovable integrity of Albino Luciani." (above link)

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  • EvelynJanuary 17, 2014 - 6:23 am

    "Pope Francis fires all but one of the cardinals who run Vatican bank" - HERE (Cleaning up the Vatican Bank is not for the faint of heart. Here's wishing Pope Francis a long life.)

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  • cookie65December 08, 2013 - 7:29 am

    Phil, global warming is going to bring KILLER winter storms for the next 30 years!!!!! Doesn't that make as much sense and going to your teapot for ice? http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/354006/Climate-change-warning-Killer-winter-storms-for-next-THIRTY-years

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  • cDecember 08, 2013 - 6:42 am

    Perhaps by reading the pope's own words and comparing them to the definition of Marxism you could see the connection. Marx·ism (märkszm) n. The political and economic philosophy of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels in which the concept of class struggle plays a central role in understanding society's allegedly inevitable development from bourgeois oppression under capitalism to a socialist and ultimately classless society.

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 08, 2013 - 8:38 am

    c - Can you clarify if " inevitable development . . . to a socialist and ultimately classless society." is a good thing? Where is the energy in a "classless society". When the mountain fills the valley and hot merges with the cold and joy blends with grief and rich yield to poor . . . . . is that not death?

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  • cookie65December 08, 2013 - 11:41 am

    Phil, c is me and my handicapped typing. Socialism is death. Equal outcome, collectivism, Marxism, progressivism, socialism, communism, redistribution of wealth destroy prosperity. It feeds off the destruction of people. Pure depraved, disgusting EVIL. You would have to have the IQ of a houseplant to support it.

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  • cookie65December 08, 2013 - 7:04 am

    "Breath of fresh air" is a little obscure. Could you offer more specifics? I would enjoy seeing their connection to Marxism, statism, socialism, giving a man a fish, rather than teaching him to fish. The phony compassion argument won't work on me since those who make that argument always do so as a means of justifying theft which the bible is pretty clear on. There is no compassion in taking from the labors of others that which they have earned.

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  • cookie65December 08, 2013 - 7:43 am

    Evelyn, some highlights on ocommycare's unprecedented success. http://pjmedia.com/blog/nobodys-this-stupid-and-incompetent/?singlepage=true

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  • Carl Mcdonald IIDecember 08, 2013 - 8:19 am

    Cookie on advice from my doctor due to adverse reactions to consumtion of finfish, high cholestoral and a gluten allergy his advice is to avoid all but the leanest cuts of red meat, eat only shellfish and use only highly processed flour in addition to avoiding fishing, farming and ranching.

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  • MarciaDecember 08, 2013 - 4:23 pm

    "And I thought the Birthers were kooky. The native Kenyan anti-colonialist, socialist tag is just weird. Obama as the proponent of a new Islamic Caliphate is bizarre and creepy." CHRIS (and anyone else that relates to Chris), I recognize myself as a Birther. Reason? I don't believe nor trust a single thing about BHO. Transparency? Ha! Have you read the multiple articles even the SacBee is spewing out? Are you aware that roughly 37 newspaper organizations (McClatchey included) are saying there is no transparency with this administration (see today's paper)? Also, read the book, " The Roots of Obama's Rage" by Dinesh D'Souza. It might enlighten you. WHAT DO YOU KNOW...REALLY...ABOUT OBAMA? I KNOW THE ANSWER, WILL YOU ACCEPT TRUTH? We know more about Tiger Woods and his craving for sex, for crying out loud. BTW, in observing Obama, I now declare that he is a closet Muslim masquerading as a Christian and all that money he gets for elections (remember, you libs are the ones who say you are the poor so how can you donate to his cause?) comes mainly from Muslim worlds. Just a few thoughts beyond wondering if Rush's words were taken out of context and if the Pope is a Marxist. As a Catholic, I like our new Pope. Surprised?

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